The Inventor Who Fought To Get Black Box Flight Recorders Into Every Plane (bbc.com) 74
This week the BBC told the remarkable story of the man who invented the "black box" flight recorders -- and of all the resistance he enountered along the way.
dryriver shared this summary: In 1934, a passenger plane name Miss Hobart crashed into the sea off the coast of Australia. Among those killed was Anglican missionairy Rev Hubert Warren, whose last gift to his 8 year old son David had been a crystal radio set.
Young David Warren spent hours a day tinkering with the radio, eventually learning enough electronics engineering to build his own radios and sell them to other people. David Warren later grew to be a Rocket Scientist working for Australia's Aeronautical Research Laboratories. In 1953, the department loaned him to an expert panel trying to solve a costly and distressing mystery: why did the British de Havilland Comet, the world's first commercial jet airliner and the great hope of the new Jet Age, keep crashing? David Warren was confronted with a daunting problem -- how to determine from heavily deformed crashed plane fragments what had happened to the plane while it was in the air... Warren had an interesting idea -- what if every plane in the sky had a mini recorder in the cockpit...?
Warren's superior did not approve of the idea and told him to stick to chemicals and fuels.
When Warren got a new boss, the new boss was more sympathetic, but told him to do the R&D for it in complete secrecy. Since it wasn't a government-approved venture or a war-winning weapon, it couldn't be seen to take up lab time or money. "If I find you talking to anyone, including me, about this matter, I will have to sack you." When Warren first floated the idea of a cockpit recorder publicly, the pilots' union responded with fury, branding the recorder a snooping device, and insisted "no plane would take off in Australia with Big Brother listening."
Undeterred, Warren took to his garage and invented the first "Black Box" flight recorder.
dryriver shared this summary: In 1934, a passenger plane name Miss Hobart crashed into the sea off the coast of Australia. Among those killed was Anglican missionairy Rev Hubert Warren, whose last gift to his 8 year old son David had been a crystal radio set.
Young David Warren spent hours a day tinkering with the radio, eventually learning enough electronics engineering to build his own radios and sell them to other people. David Warren later grew to be a Rocket Scientist working for Australia's Aeronautical Research Laboratories. In 1953, the department loaned him to an expert panel trying to solve a costly and distressing mystery: why did the British de Havilland Comet, the world's first commercial jet airliner and the great hope of the new Jet Age, keep crashing? David Warren was confronted with a daunting problem -- how to determine from heavily deformed crashed plane fragments what had happened to the plane while it was in the air... Warren had an interesting idea -- what if every plane in the sky had a mini recorder in the cockpit...?
Warren's superior did not approve of the idea and told him to stick to chemicals and fuels.
When Warren got a new boss, the new boss was more sympathetic, but told him to do the R&D for it in complete secrecy. Since it wasn't a government-approved venture or a war-winning weapon, it couldn't be seen to take up lab time or money. "If I find you talking to anyone, including me, about this matter, I will have to sack you." When Warren first floated the idea of a cockpit recorder publicly, the pilots' union responded with fury, branding the recorder a snooping device, and insisted "no plane would take off in Australia with Big Brother listening."
Undeterred, Warren took to his garage and invented the first "Black Box" flight recorder.
Spoiler for the article readers (Score:5, Interesting)
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Specifically, metal fatigue stemming from the use of square windows as well as problems with rivetting.
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Re: Spoiler for the article readers (Score:5, Informative)
It didn't. The problem was found in a completely different way - an airframe was repeatedly filled with water and emptied. This simulated the way the plane overpressurized while flying - keeping ground level air pressure inside while the outside dropped to whatever it was at higher altitudes. Hundreds of cycles of this later one of the sides split open. I doubt a black box would have helped much, since the plane went from seemingly ok with no visible issues to an entire side missing very quickly. Kind of explains why the planes which went missing didn't have time to report issues either.
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Also complicit was a material characteristic of aluminum - it has no fatigue limit [wikipedia.org]. Some materials like steel have a fatigue limit - if you design a structure so it's stronger than this limit, then it can withstand an infinite number of load cycles without failing (a load cycle is like bending a paper clip back and forth once). Aluminum has no fatigue limit, so no matter how strong you design it, it always weakens with every load cycle. This is why airframes are retired after approx 100,000 flights (pressurization cycles). The impossible-to-prevent-in-aluminum fatigue cracks have contaminated the airframe to such an extent that it's no longer considered safe to use. This is also why the Curiosity rover is developing holes in its wheels [planetary.org]. They made the wheels out of aluminum, and the thinness (to keep it light) means every time a wheel goes over a bump, that part of the wheel experience a rather large fatigue cycle. Eventually it results in fatigue failure of that part of the wheel.
The cause of failure in the Comet was ultimately confirmed by submerging an entire Comet fuselage in a giant pool of water [youtube.com], then repeatedly pressurizing and depressurizing the cabin section to cause accelerated growth of fatigue cracks. While the Comet may have been the inspiration for the idea of black box flight recorders, they wouldn't have helped in this case. All they would've done is record the instantaneous destruction and break-up of the plane mid-flight.
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Thanks.
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And yet we STILL can't find MH370
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370#Marine_debris
"with unprecedented precision and certainty"
Re: dryriver is a 'tard (Score:2)
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Maybe you ought to be more considerate in your responses or is your lack of empathy caused by brain damage, in which case: My bad.
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Are you a conspiracy nutter? (Score:1)
Hey Cortana, whats an in home black box?
Google, tell me about in home black boxes
Siri search for in home black box
Alexa find in home black box
I didn't get any results, so in home black boxes can't exist.
Re:No good deed... (Score:4, Informative)
In this particular case everything was being paid for by the Australian government and they were paying for other things, not for the development for a black box flight recorder. So the manager wanted it kept secret otherwise someone (politician or high level public servant most likely) would force the individuals involved to be fired (or at the very least, the work stopped) on the grounds that they were wasting public money.
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Re: No good deed... (Score:2)
Developing bravery in middle management is the hardest critical task
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A tale of great management (Score:5, Insightful)
Ok, I get it. David Warren rocks because he had the initial idea for the black box, built the prototype and seemed to a be generally nice person. TFA honors that, and rightfully so.
What's lost quite a bit is the role of great management in this. First, he had an immediate manager who recognized and initially supported his idea, who is not even named. Then Laurie Coombes also supported it, was smart enough not to let it get killed early by some boards and provided the hidden funding to buy the German mini tape recorder. And when after going public Australia's civilian aviation authorities rejected the product, Coombees connected Warren with a British RAF hero who pitched the flight recorder in the UK, where it was welcomed with open arms.
I wish management schools and books would give more time and space to people like that, and talk less about how to imitate supposed demigods like Jobs and Ford or loudmouths like Musk and Iacocca.
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Amen, bro. Get the guy some modpoints.
Re:A tale of great management (Score:5, Interesting)
Australia at the time (1950s) was a colonial outpost supplying raw materials to the factories of the UK (think wool for the textile mills of Manchester).
It was 1969 when the UK joined the European Union which then resulted in Australia dropping down a few rungs as a preferred trading partner. It wasn't until the early 1980s that Australia started focusing on trade with Asia that it lost its last vestiges of European colonialism.
For people in the US - trying thinking of the challenges an inventor in Puerto Rico would have.
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I don't know... how much money did the black box thing make for ARL? Probably not as much as Jobs made for Apple.
The problem with management isn't that they focus on the wrong case studies. It's their incentives. Every hierarchy known to man becomes less flexible with increased depth.
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Agreed. Of course it's just a matter of time before they write a similar article about how cars didn't have black boxes...
Big Brother (Score:1)
there is something similar in cars & trucks no (Score:3)
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False, everyone knows the 'Fuck you' is communicated non-verbally...
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I wonder if it works via Slashdot post ~:-)
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Stop calling it a "black box" (Score:2, Informative)
(Groan) It's not a 'black box". I wish the media would stop dumbing it down.
There are two parts: The cockpit voice recorder (CVR) to record what was said in the cockpit including other sounds that could be clues, and the flight data recorder (FDR) for recording speed, temperatures, G-loads, and positions of flight controls and flight surfaces. The two recorders are located in the rear of the aircraft.
A "black box" is a container with unknown contents. The CVR and FDR are painted fluorescent orange for visib
Orange is the new black (Score:2)
Duh! Everybody knows that.
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Re: STILL HAPPENING TODAY!!! (Score:3)
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Re: Manager = inept monkey (Score:2)
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Said the inept monkey who is constantly overlooked by competent management.
Some of the best inventions... (Score:2)
The "best" inventions and ideas are not made by corporations to get rich. Neither are they made by large groups of engineers* gathered by governments. Good examples of this are jet engines, rockets, computers, electricity, the internal combustion engine and fire. All ideas can be taken and expanded on by groups but original innovation seems to happen best with individuals thinking for themselves.
* Scientists do not generally invent "things". They provide pathways for engineers to work. There are of cour
I met David Warren (Score:3, Interesting)
I was lucky enough to stay with, and take, David Warren and his wife out for dinner in Melbourne (2008 I think) as his daughter was a friend. He told a longer version of the story with more details but basically the BBC's version is fairly accurate. He did say that it was not particularly the death of his father that encouraged him to develop the Black Box but simply that various aircraft crashes had been in the news before he came across the multi-track wire recorder at a trade show in Sydney. He thought his success was probably due to him being interested in all sorts of things and being able to make cross-connections and much to his credit he modestly said that he was lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time. I do remember that his driving to and from the pub where we had dinner was alarming; at the age of 83 he drove like a racing driver. It was an interesting evening!
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Thanks for mentioning Hietala, of whom I hadn't heard of before.
From what you said above, it seems like Hietala's recorder was meant for test flights only to help evaluate a new type of aircraft.
Whereas Warren's recorder was meant for commercial flights to find out why they crashed.