European Commission Rules That UK Dwelling EU Citizens Can Still Hold .Eu Domains After Brexit (betanews.com)
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What Brexit really means for the UK -- whenever it may end up happening -- still remains to be seen. But a new ruling by the European Commission means that even after leaving Europe, UK citizens will still be able to hold .eu top-level domains after leaving the European Union. From a report: The ruling is a reversal of a decision taken earlier in the year that EU citizens living in the UK post-Brexit would not be able to own such domains. It comes as the Commission becomes increasingly concerned about the "uncertainties surrounding the ratification of the Withdrawal Agreement", and what the implications of this could be. With the new decision, it will not matter where an EU citizen lives after Brexit. The only requirement to owning a .eu domain is being an EU citizen; it is possible to living in the EU, in the UK, or anywhere else.
Finally common sense arrives (Score:2, Insightful)
it was always kind of a dick move they were going to take that away for UK residents, I'm glad to see some common sense is starting to come about around this.
Separation need not be so painful as both sides are making it... the sooner everyone accepts it's happening and works around it, the better. This is a good first step.
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Separation need not be so painful as both sides are making it.
I understand the EU's stance that "Hey, if you're not in the club, then you don't get club benefits", but it does seem like Brussels is going out of their way to threaten the Brits on this.
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The EU is terrified of other countries leaving, so they want to make it as painful as possible, by design. The more petty, the better, seems to be the reasoning.
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Please explain how the EU is being petty. AFAICT the EU has given the UK way more leniency than these entitled pricks deserve. They were supposed to be out by now, with or without a deal, remember? The rules for the .eu TLD are that you can only have a domain if you're in the EU. The UK is leaving, which makes them not in the EU. What is petty about applying the well known rules?
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Right, not giving the UK yet another exception is petty. Entitled pricks.
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Seriously no. They are not. Even in Greece, at the height of the meltdown, Greek citizens overwhelming had support for being members of the EU and the Eurozone. This is a fantasist sentiment that the Brexiteers proclaimed loudly, but it is pure bullshit.
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but it does seem like Brussels is going out of their way to threaten the Brits on this.
Oh the horror, the EU is enforcing a rule that we voted for.
Re:Finally common sense arrives (Score:5, Informative)
UK citizens are still going to lose access, just not EU citizens who live in the UK.
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In my opinion . . . Brexit is a huge, huge, Huge loss for the rest of the EU.
A while back, I worked on a EU sponsored project with lots of folks from different countries. The French argued with the French-speaking Belgians about what time to take the coffee break. The Dutch-speaking Belgians argued with the French speaking Belgians . . . just because. The Swiss just took the money, and didn't do anything for the project. The Greeks came to the meetings two hours late, and wanted to open issues that had
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It's unlikely that Johnson will ever get the chance to dissolve Parliament. It's not even clear that he can become PM, with enough Tory rebels preparing to side with the Opposition to bring the Government down. Constitutional convention in such situations is for the Queen to ask the incoming PM (in this case Johnson) to form a government, providing it can survive a vote of confidence. The Queen has a pretty clear role here to not plunge the UK in to a political crisis by having a Prime Minister in a hung Pa
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In my opinion . . . Brexit is a huge, huge, Huge loss for the rest of the EU.
I agree, it will diminish both the EU and the UK, but probably the UK more.
A while back, I worked on a EU sponsored project with lots of folks from different countries. The French argued with the French-speaking Belgians about what time to take the coffee break. The Dutch-speaking Belgians argued with the French speaking Belgians . . . just because. The Swiss just took the money, and didn't do anything for the project. The Greeks
Brexit is saved (Score:5, Insightful)
EU citizens living in the UK (but not UK citizen without citizenship from a country staying in the EU) will be able to continue to own .eu domains.
Now that this important matter is solved, what about the Irish border? Brexiters will need to understand that you can't have a no border and at the same time leave the customs union and the single market.
If the border is not in Ireland, then it's going to be in the sea. But there will be a border.
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Now that this important matter is solved
Nice of you to make light of what could effectively sink entire businesses.
Nice of you to think your concern is the only one that should get any attention from a very large commission that actually solved the Irish border problem only to have it torn up by the other side.
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Major businesses who wanted to continue using their .eu domain probably switched to a EU-based (out of the UK) registrar already.
UK individuals with no other EU citizenship (as it's the case for most people) or businesses operating only in the UK, will *still* lose their .eu domain when (or if) the UK finally leaves the EU. So if they haven't switched to .uk yet, I'd say they are gambling.
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Now that this important matter is solved
Nice of you to make light of what could effectively sink entire businesses. Nice of you to think your concern is the only one that should get any attention from a very large commission that actually solved the Irish border problem only to have it torn up by the other side.
All of this started when Brexiteers decided that they could have their cake and eat it too. It's not our fault that the only practical way of achieving this goal involves eating your cake, shitting it into a bowl and then storing your cake happens not to be a very appetising process.
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And how is that solution to be accomplished? Europe is by a very wide margin Britain's largest trading partner. In particular, the City has since Britain joined the EC in 1975, been among the most important trading points between the rest of the world and Europe. If the City loses frictionless trade with the Continent, it is well and truly fucked.
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Fuck norms, regulation, the environment, safety and health, right? If someone wants to import contaminated food he should be free to do so, without any risk of getting cut. Like 5 centuries ago.
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Now that this important matter is solved, what about the Irish border?
Boris and Natasha Johnson get elected as Prime Minister tomorrow. Boris dissolves Parliament, despite their protests against it. And they imprison Moose and Squirrel.
Boris declares a no deal Brexit . . . hard border between Ireland an Northern Ireland.
Disclosure: The company that I work for has a lab in England. They do excellent work, and have outstanding employees. Steering work toward them used to be like going to the local grocery store. Post-Brexit, contracts to them will have to go through the
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The next few days could be critical. Tories defecting, possible legal challenges to proroguing Parliament.
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Remoaners need to understand that the "invented problems" they keep talking about aren't real.
Please state clearly who will erect a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Please note: it won't be the UK government. So who will do it?
Also, since you're a remoaner and by definition ignorant and stupid... you might like to do a bit of research on how 99.999% of imports are handled. Clue: it's all done with admin... and yes.. that includes non-EU countries.
In addition, you might like to look up HMRC's statement to Parliament that it sees no problems with the border as far as either goods or people are concerned. HMRC being "Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs". THE experts on the matter and the people actually responsible for enforcing the stuff... not just some idiot on slashdot trying to virtue signal.
You might also like to consider that there has been a free movement agreement in place between I and NI since the 1920s - long pre-dating the sainted EU.
Imports in and out of the EU via the N-Ireland border that get to skip tariffs, tolls, quality control inspections, health and safety inspections aimed at hindering the spread of diseases like foot and mouth disease, origin checks, contraband searches, ... etc. ... all of this will have to happen somewhere. If it does not happen in the Irish Sea region it will happen on the UIK's N-Irish border with the EU and that is where the hard border will come from. The 27 stars you are seeing floating around your hea
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Please state clearly who will erect a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Trump has said that he will erect a great wall for other countries, and make them pay for it.
MIAA: "Make Ireland American Again!"
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Please state clearly who will erect a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.
Please note: it won't be the UK government.
Oh I get that. It won't be the UK. That means any Chinese good entering the EU will be taxed by the customs union, which the UK will no longer be a party of. Then these goods will be able to enter the UK through Ireland. For free. Which means the UK won't have effective control on what is coming in.
The EU, on the other hand, won't accept that. So the answer to your question is the EU. They will force Ireland to implement border controls, or will have to put the border in the sea between Ireland and the cont
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Then these goods will be able to enter the UK through Ireland. For free. Which means the UK won't have effective control on what is coming in.
Only things that are illegally smuggled, a situation that already exists.
But in this case we might end up with a one-way border, in which north-bound goods are not taxed or inspected.
No, we wont. You can tax and inspect goods without needing a hard border. Stop spewing FUD.
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Then these goods will be able to enter the UK through Ireland. For free. Which means the UK won't have effective control on what is coming in.
Only things that are illegally smuggled, a situation that already exists.
Of course. But now it's going to be on the day light. That will be 100% legal to import stuff, tariff-free, through Ireland. This is a whole different level.
But in this case we might end up with a one-way border, in which north-bound goods are not taxed or inspected.
No, we wont. You can tax and inspect goods without needing a hard border. Stop spewing FUD.
It depends what you call a "hard border". Nobody seems to agree on that anyways.
What is certain is that you need a line, I prefer to call it a border, between two areas, where goods crossing must be declared, applicable tariffs paid, and illegal stuff blocked. You don't have to inspect each and every truck. It can be random. But it has to exist.
The bord
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That will be 100% legal to import stuff, tariff-free, through Ireland
No, it wont. Why the fuck do you possibly think that it might be?
What is certain is that you need a line, I prefer to call it a border, between two areas, where goods crossing must be declared, applicable tariffs paid, and illegal stuff blocked. You don't have to inspect each and every truck. It can be random. But it has to exist.
No, you do not. For example,
The border has to be "harder" than the one between Sweden and Norway, because both are in the single european market, and the UK is getting out.
The only way for the UK to avoid a border is to remain both in the single market and the customs union.
Given that Norway aren't in the Customs Union I think you'll find that they've successfully implemented an open border that nonetheless allows them control over tariffs and taxes.
Fucking amazing that. Who'd have thought. If only that might be possible elsewhere, such as, maybe, just speculating here, Ireland.
If only.
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That will be 100% legal to import stuff, tariff-free, through Ireland
No, it wont. Why the fuck do you possibly think that it might be?
Because it's the position of many brexiters that there is no need to put customs at the Irish border. That means they won't even look at goods entering the UK from Ireland. I'm not saying it's the only or even a good solution, but this is the current plan in case of "no deal" Brexit.
Given that Norway aren't in the Customs Union I think you'll find that they've successfully implemented an open border that nonetheless allows them control over tariffs and taxes.
Fucking amazing that. Who'd have thought. If only that might be possible elsewhere, such as, maybe, just speculating here, Ireland.
If only.
First, as I said, Norway is in the single market as well as in Schengen. It makes things a lot simpler. The single market means free movement of goods, services, capital and labor. Four things that you usually want to block/insp
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Your inability to comprehend how goods, services and people can be constrained without the need for a hard border does not mean that one is required.
It's already piss easy to get into the UK and yet, somehow, the Government controls illegal immigration and prevents people working when they shouldn't.
Show some imagination and try thinking of solutions instead of constantly bleating on about things you think are problems.
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I never said a "hard" border is required. I only said it must be harder than the one between Sweden and Norway.
But yes, there need to be a border, with customs, checks, officers, cameras, etc. You can call it a soft border if it pleases you. But it's not going to be as it is currently.
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No, there doesn't.
This is typical fucking remain voter bullshit. Convinced nothing is possible, think we'll end up with the worse possible outcomes and utterly incapable of actually thinking.
We do not need a hard border. We do not need customs checks at the border. We do not need officers. We'll probably have cameras but you might not even see them.
Shit, you'll be telling me next that we'll need a visa to visit the rest of Europe and that all trade will halt immediately we exit. Guess what..
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No, there doesn't.
This is typical fucking remain voter bullshit. Convinced nothing is possible, think we'll end up with the worse possible outcomes and utterly incapable of actually thinking.
So, you tell me, what's the plan? Nothing has been put forward so far. And the Brexit will happen on October 31th.
I don't leave in Europe and I didn't follow the remain campaign. But I am being realistic.
We do not need a hard border.
Fine, call it a soft border, I don't care.
We do not need customs checks at the border.
You are being pedantic here. Of course they can be 100 meters before or after the border. Or maybe even further. As I said they can be random. But you need them somewhere. And you do not want to check goods that didn't cross the border, of course. So you need a way
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Of course it's going to be the UK government.
The moment China, the US, and the rest of the world decides to embargo them for violating the WTO rules they will button that border up tighter than Farage's ass.
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If the UK government does not implement a hard border in Northern Ireland as the result of a no deal Brexit, then unless it allows all goods from any country into the UK free of tariffs and checks it will be in breach of WTO rules that don't allow you to treat countries differently unless you have a trade deal. In the event of no deal we won't have a trade deal with Ireland we have to implement a hard border.
The reality is Brexitier's need to stop dreaming. As Boris Johnson said "the dream of Brexit is dyin
Re:Brexit is saved (Score:4, Interesting)
EU citizens living in the UK (but not UK citizen without citizenship from a country staying in the EU) will be able to continue to own .eu domains.
Now that this important matter is solved, what about the Irish border? Brexiters will need to understand that you can't have a no border and at the same time leave the customs union and the single market.
If the border is not in Ireland, then it's going to be in the sea. But there will be a border.
Brexit is the seed that will lead to the reunification of Ireland.
Just putting that out there so I can say "I told you so" in the future when it happens.
They do this because Scotland and NI will be (Score:5, Insightful)
They're doing this because both Scotland and Northern Ireland will eventually return to the EU fold.
Then they can expire the .eu TLDs in Lesser Britain.
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They're doing this because both Scotland and Northern Ireland will eventually return to the EU fold.
Then they can expire the .eu TLDs in Lesser Britain.
Scotland isn't going anywhere unless Brussels can promise them to replace the monies currently coming from London. And not only is Brussels not going to do that, they're terrified of setting a precedent for supporting breakaway states. See: Spain and the Barcelona situation.
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So long as the "breakaway" nations remain in the EU, how does that matter?
It's like the US Civil War. You leave, you suffer. You stay, you don't.
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"So long as the "breakaway" nations remain in the EU, how does that matter?"
It matters because Brussels sees fracturing of larger states into smaller ones as contrary to their "ever greater union" stance. They want ALL of Europe, not just pieces of of it here and there.
"It's like the US Civil War. You leave, you suffer. You stay, you don't."
Way to really refute Brexit's "The EU is a hostile conquering power, not a voluntary membership anymore" talking point. You make the EU sound like some New Jersey mob pr
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@DesScorp Not having lived in the EU and looking for some insight.
you said "Way to really refute Brexit's "The EU is a hostile conquering power".
Seems to me that was , 'sort of' what it was always meant to be , except the hostile part, I mean the nations did sign on voluntarily?
What i mean is , it would be one thing if all they did was stick to regulating trade in a DIDN'T attempt to set up there own court system and enforce all kinds of other laws aka 'Universal Rights' across international boarders. To m
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And that was one of the great things about living in the EU. Every now and then they would up and deal with whatever stupid new anti-being-human law the nation states thought up.
If you want to call it a vessel state, it doesn't alter that it's a good thing.
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Maybe stop commenting on things you know nothing about.
I started by admitting my own ignorance and asking questions. Thank you for your answers, sorry if my ignorance irritates you , but asking questions is the way I learn. I guess I could just go on being ignorant but what good would that do anyone?
"The EU does not make law for its members, unlike in the US.
EU regulations have to be implemented by each member state as they see fit."
Can you explain to me the difference between a law and a regulation? De
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You seem to agree with my assessment which at least mildly contradicts states in the PP.
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Eurostan won't be around long enough for that.
They said that about France.
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Do you have inside information on Brittany seceding from France?
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Bad summary (Score:5, Insightful)
"UK citizens will still be able to hold .eu top-level domains after leaving the European Union"
No, *EU* citizens will be able to hold .eu top level domains. If you're just a UK citizen, you'll lose it.
Location domain requirements are protectionism (Score:2)
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Just like laws that require data to be in certain countries servers and geo blocking. I owned an .rs domain for a while despite not being Serbian. Geo restrictions defeat the point of the inter in internet.
This isn't geo restriction. This is a private matter for a local registry office. You owned an .rs domain? Congratulations. Did you get a Croatian drivers license as well and pay for it all from a Russian bank?
Do doubt (Score:2)
That leavers will blame this on the EU as well.
When will they face up to the fact that these problems are their fault, their failure to plan was a plan for this very failing brexit.
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When will they face up to the fact that these problems are their fault, their failure to plan was a plan for this very failing brexit.
They won't. They already know Brexit is going to be a disaster so they're busy blaming the EU, remainers, the civil service and certain civil servants in particular for it. There is literally nothing that will convince Brexiters that it's a bad idea. Everything that goes wrong will be due to "not doing Brexit properly" which means it's the fault of something other than Brexit
No divorce is painless (Score:2)
So the affected Brits will adapt and move on. This is a minor inconvenience compared to all of the other changes associated with Brexit.
??? ... identity check. (Score:2)
I don't register huge numbers of domains, but I've never been asked to prove where I live. How would anyone know?
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And exactly because of this kind of micro-managing meddling, it's wisest not to use an .eu domain at all. Not that anyone did. Of all businesses and web shops i know i rarely find one that uses a .eu domain as primary website. It's either registered just to protect the trademark, or totally ignored.
The only institute seriously using .eu domains is the European government. And many European residents wonder why we pay taxes to pay those European politicians and officials to bother with the nonsense of checki
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Fortunately it's trivial to find someone in the EU to register and renew a .eu address for you, should you be at risk due to this silliness of losing a domain you're using.
I have friends in Holland, Denmark, Germany, Spain, Italy and Poland, plus some people I can track down in Hungary and France, all of whom would sort this for me. Except I didn't register a .eu domain..
Brexit won't happen (Score:3)
Brexit always was a big lie which the British parliament has seen through, even if the people didn't at the referendum. It won't happen. It doesn't matter who the PM is, the situation hasn't changed.
The British parliament won't approve the May deal, they won't approve no deal, all they will do is kick the can down the road till the next general election.
Whoever gets in after the election will either revoke article 50 or hold another referendum. If there is another referendum the people, who are sick to death of the whole business, will vote remain.
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I hope you are right, but there is a very real danger of the UK crashing out of the EU without any deal, simply because politicians fail to prevent it. The clock is ticking and it will require the UK to ask for an extension, which means forcing Boris to do it somehow.