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Richard Stallman Resigns From MIT (vice.com) 725

Multiple Slashdotters are reporting the unfortunate news that famed free software advocate and computer scientist Richard Stallman has resigned from MIT. Slashdot reader iamacat writes: Following outrage over his remarks about Jefferey Epstein's victims, Richard Stallman has resigned from his position in MIT, effective immediately. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him -- even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon. "I am resigning effective immediately from my position in CSAIL at MIT," Stallman wrote in an email, referring to MIT's Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. "I am doing this due to pressure on MIT and me over a series of misunderstandings and mischaracterizations."

Stallman also resigned as president from the Free Software Foundation (FSF) as well as from the organization's board of directors, FSF announced shortly after.
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Richard Stallman Resigns From MIT

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  • Summary (Score:4, Informative)

    by Kunedog ( 1033226 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:04AM (#59201724)
    Good summary from reddit [reddit.com] (since Vice is not a credible source):

    Context: In a recently unsealed deposition a woman testified that, at the age of 17, Epstein told her to have sex with Marvin Minsky. Minsky was a founder of the MIT Media Lab and pioneer in A.I. who died in 2016. Stallman argued on a mailing list (in response to a statement from a protest organizer accusing Minsky of sexual assault) that, while he condemned Epstein, Minsky likely did not know she was being coerced:

    We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing. Assuming she was being coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her to conceal that from most of his associates.

    Some SJW responded by writing a Medium post called "Remove Richard Stallman [archive.is]". Media outlets like Vice [archive.is] and The Daily Beast [archive.is] then lied and misquoted Stallman as saying that the woman was likely "entirely willing" and as "defending Epstein". He has now been pressured to resign from MIT [stallman.org]

    Furthermore the deposition doesn't say she had sex with Minsky, only that Epstein told her to do so, and according to physicist Greg Benford she propositioned Minsky and he turned her down [archive.is]:

    I know; I was there. Minsky turned her down. Told me about it. She saw us talking and didn’t approach me.

    This seems like a complete validation of the distinction Stallman was making. If what Minsky knew doesn't matter, if there's no difference between "Minsky sexually assaulted a woman" and "Epstein told a 17-year-old to have sex with Minsky without his knowledge or consent", then why did he turn her down?

    • Re:Summary (Score:5, Insightful)

      by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:06AM (#59201728) Journal
      In general, you shouldn't fire people for having opinions, or expressing those opinions privately.
      • Re: Summary (Score:4, Interesting)

        by ArmoredDragon ( 3450605 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:19AM (#59201754)

        That's not going to stop a PR disaster unless they do fire them. That's what being a social justice warrior is all about: Mass shaming.

        • Re: Summary (Score:5, Insightful)

          by beepsky ( 6008348 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:40AM (#59201816)
          Firing them doesn't stop them.
          Once the Soc Justice crowd gets a taste of blood they'll want a pound of flesh, then more.

          There's really no winning against outrage mobs; all you can do is tell them to fuck off
          • Firing them (whom? The falsely accused?) doesn't stop them (whom? The SJW's?)
          • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @10:15AM (#59203374)
            I pointed this out elsewhere, but this is probably more about not talking about the Epstein case in which MIT is implicated than any SJW crap.

            By all accounts Epstein's operation was an open secret. The guy's private plane was literally nicknamed the "Lolita Express" [thecut.com]. Ordinarily the Epstein case would dominate news. It's a sex scandal involving pedophiles.

            But, well, the super rich are involved. As is several top folk at MIT. They want this buried. This is like Fight Club. You Do Not Talk About Fight Club. That's the rule Stallman broke. Not some SJW nonsense. Stallman just broke the wound open. Thanks to him we're talking about MIT and Epstein again.

            Like Assange and Snowden he done just fucked with the wrong people. He's lucky he gets to disappear quietly.
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          by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @01:01AM (#59201872)
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        • by MrKaos ( 858439 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @01:58AM (#59202012) Journal

          That's not going to stop a PR disaster unless they do fire them. That's what being a social justice warrior is all about: Mass shaming.

          Point and shame. That's how you destroy careers and the standards of excellence that makes a nation. No evidence required, don't bother reading the deposition, the personal is the political, ad hominem attacks from beginning to end for defending someone (Minsky) that wasn't accused of anything.

          With metoo backfiring so that men don't trust being alone in an office with a woman, feminism is looking a lot like a hate movement with the way they throw accusations of sex crime around in order to get their hit of indignation to maintain their moral superiority. Guilt by association, career destroyed, court of opinion adjourned.

          Considering what RMS contributed not only to freedom but economic wealth you can see these people don't care who they destroy and it doesn't matter if you are innocent of all charges once your reputation is destroyed. Getting even isn't equality.

          That's why this shaming of men must end.

          • by Kokuyo ( 549451 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @02:50AM (#59202094) Journal

            There is another reason this must end.

            If they piss off men long enough, they're going to hit back with real patriarchy.

            I mean just look at MGTOW... Instead of just being careful when choosing a mate, as they should have been taught to be anyway, they're just going in the opposite extreme. A considerable pool of men deciding to be bachelors is neither good for those men psychologically, nor is it good for the species.

            The backlash will be just as dumb as what we're seeing right now. This is a social equivalent of England and France laying the groundwork for the second world war in Versailles.

            The eradication of accountability is going to come back to haunt us for decades to come.

            • by Muros ( 1167213 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @06:10AM (#59202434)

              A considerable pool of men deciding to be bachelors is neither good for those men psychologically, nor is it good for the species.

              I'm pretty sure studies have found that single men have better mental health than married men, but poorer physical health.

          • by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @03:15AM (#59202146)
            And yet there's a pussy-grabber in the white house, and at least 2 "handsy" guys on the supreme court. I think this case was an over-reaction, but I also think that #metoo was a long time coming.
        • Re: Summary (Score:5, Interesting)

          by cold fjord ( 826450 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @02:22AM (#59202060)

          That's not going to stop a PR disaster unless they do fire them. That's what being a social justice warrior is all about: Mass shaming.

          Cancel culture.

          Welcome to America, the land of the perpetually whiny and offended [azcentral.com]

          As 'South Park' Gets Renewed Through 2022, Matt Stone and Trey Parker Also Have New Movie Ideas [hollywoodreporter.com]

          "It's new," Stone says of cancel culture, the term used to refer to boycotts started (usually via social media) when a person or group is offended by a star or brand. "I don't want to say it's the same as it's always been. The kids are fucking different than us. There's a generational thing going on." Currently, Dave Chappelle is in the crosshairs for his latest Netflix stand-up special, Sticks and Stones. "I know some people have been canceled for genuinely, like, personal behavior, but Dave is not getting canceled anytime soon," Stone says, joking that South Park and Chappelle are "grandfathered" out of the culture.

          Stone also shared his theory as to why critics were so hard on the latest Chappelle special [battleswarmblog.com], while viewers [cnbc.com] seemed to enjoy it far more. "I feel bad for television critics and cultural critics," he explains. "They may have laughed like hell at that, and then they went home and they know what they have to write to keep their job. So when I read TV reviews or cultural reviews, I think of someone in prison, writing. I think about somebody writing a hostage note. This is not what they think. This is what they have to do to keep their job in a social media world. So I don't hold it against them."

          The Bleat - Wednesday 05/01/19 [lileks.com]

          If you remember 1984, the Party rewrites the past at will to fit the narrative of the future. Someone is declared an unperson, or is found guilting of old think - never mind if they’re dead, they’re now super-extra dead, vanished, evaporated in the fires of the memory hole.

          This is a new twist: not rewriting history is Orwellian. Op-ed in the paper about renaming buildings:

          “Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.” So wrote George Orwell in 1949, as if he had been reporting on the April 26 meeting of the University of Minnesota’s Board of Regents.

          This was the meeting where the Regents decided not to rename four buildings because the old dead men had opinions that do not conform with the opinions of the present, and acted according to the precepts of the day - in this case, segregated campus housing, and surveillance of suspected agitator-types.

          So: If you decline to rewrite the past to fit the ideas of the present, that’s Orwellian.

          Get Ready for the Struggle Session. [pjmedia.com]

          How Twitter transforms regular people into woke crusaders [hotair.com]

          Slashdot has had an oversupply of this for a LONG time.

        • Re: Summary (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @05:13AM (#59202352)
          I'm gen-X, and I was taught that it was wrong to fire and blacklist people for the mere accusation of impropriety. Fallout from the history of McCarthyism in the 1940s and 1950s (I went to school in the 1970s and 1980s). Is this no longer being taught in schools?

          History is filled with witch hunts done in the name of the greater public good. And like the Salem witch trials, Kristallnacht, and McCarthyism, history will not judge SJWs kindly.
          • Re: Summary (Score:4, Insightful)

            by eepok ( 545733 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:05PM (#59204110) Homepage

            I'm on the cusp of Gen X and Gen Y (early 80s), so I get a bit of both of it. But I'm with you. I was raised to fear McCarthyist witch hunts and saw modern versions in...

            The mid-90s gang fears where anyone wearing a red shirt or a blue shirt was pulled over and frisked. We non-gang affiliated Mexicans learned that we had to wear patterns)

            The post-Columbine crackdowns on goths/punks/nerds where people could get others suspended for suggesting they might be a shooter risk. We nerds and the like learned to not talk about making custom Counter-Strike maps in public.

            The Post-9/11 era where people had their careers and livelihoods endangered for being "insufficiently patriotic". We began creating our own news sources and news aggregators. We protested the war in Iraq, but made sure our faces weren't on camera.

            But those were typically conservative backlashes where liberals were defending actions by taking "the higher ground". The problem for us liberals is that these SJWs support similar ends, but are attempting to meet these ends with horrible tactics.

            Want racial equality? Yes! ... then you have to support our witch hunt of anyone who has transgressed our evolving standards... ever.

            Want gender equality? Yes! ... then you have to always believe a female accuser and never question her statements.

            Want a living wage for everyone? Yes! ... then you have to support 100% student debt forgiveness for everyone and a universal $15 minimum wage without increasing revenue.

            Want to protect freedom of speech? Yes! ... then you have to support the squelching of speech we don't like.

            This is all going to continue until someone successfully brings suit against a massive amount of pile-on defendants for libel, defamation, and slander. People will keep doing this until there are consequences.

      • by mwvdlee ( 775178 )

        Or expressing them publically, which is after all what freedom of speech is all about.

      • Re:Summary (Score:5, Insightful)

        by SeaFox ( 739806 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:25AM (#59201790)

        In general, you shouldn't fire people for having opinions, or expressing those opinions privately.

        Organizations today don't recognize people as having private lives. Their excuse is that anything you do can hurt the reputation of the organization by association, which is generally caused by a small subset of highly nosy people who want to punish anyone and anything related to their target and don't themselves recognize that people have private lives out of the control of their employers and other organizations those individuals are involved in.

        The idea a person can be an serial killer and a good employee of a company is not recognized. The idea that the company employing them does not mean the company endorses murder does not compute, either.

      • Re: Summary (Score:4, Insightful)

        by e3m4n ( 947977 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @06:54AM (#59202534)

        This is what the fringe left has evolved into. And the media is SILENT about this. They talk about trump being a threat to free speech and ignore the fire in their back bedroom. When you crowdsource âoutrageâ(TM) to the point that the message is clear âoedisagree on ANYTHING we beleive and we will ruin your lifeâ. Nothing could be a greater risk of free speech. Not even the 4am ramblings of an asshat on twitter.

    • Re:Summary (Score:5, Funny)

      by Bite The Pillow ( 3087109 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:16AM (#59201750)

      Stallman knows words. He used them appropriately. That got him in trouble with the linguistic luddites.

      Don't use words.

    • Re:Summary (Score:5, Interesting)

      by ppanon ( 16583 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @04:25AM (#59202300) Homepage Journal

      Benford says Minsky told him that he had turned her down. What I've seen reported of the deposition so far makes it unclear whether she actually had sex with him or was just groomed to approach him.

      In the mid 90s I was told that there apparently were a few young women at major SF cons like Worldcons who would attempt to build collections of famous authors that they had slept with. The person who told me this apparently spied one sneaking out of an older well-known author's room and told the collector "Hey girl, it's tacky to sleep with an author you haven't read!". No, that author was most definitely not Benford, but Benford may have been confronted with similar (consensual) advances since he was already similarly well known at the time. That would make him quite susceptible to believing Minsky's version of the events.

      If Epstein's sexual exploitation victim makes a clear statement that she did in fact sleep with Minsky (and wasn't just groomed to do so), implying that Minsky lied to Benford, then I'll believe her that Benford got duped. I hope that's not the case since that would cast a deep shadow over Minsky's pioneering career. The reporting of the testimony to date seems to have the victim leaving unsaid whether Minsky actually participated in anything sexual, so for now I'll assume he was targeted but not compromised, and a reporter jumped to a bad conclusion. There is no excuse however if he did participate and covered it up (because a cover-up would show he knew he did something wrong).

  • by ArmoredDragon ( 3450605 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:16AM (#59201744)

    I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him -- even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

    That's quite an overstatement of his significance. In open source? Sure. But popular culture? I bet if you walk down a busy sidewalk and ask 100 people if they've heard of him, 97 would say "wait, source of what? and why is it open?" Maybe just one of them will have heard of Richard Stallman. Now, mention a name like Taylor Swift, 97 out of 100 have at least heard of her. That's popular culture. And certainly not an American icon.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Oddly, the winos in Kendall Square know him quite well. He's a soft touch for their sob stories. When my beard has been *really* scruffy, and I've been too busy to bathe recently, some of them greeted me as "Richard?"

      In person, he's pretty rude and very judgmental. But he is *consistent* about his morals. It's why I found the accusations of transphobia by Leah Rowe from the LibreBoot project to be complete nonsense, and Leah later got her hormones under control and retracted them. Leah was having difficulty

  • by enriquevagu ( 1026480 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:19AM (#59201756)

    The first rule of SJW is: You do not mess around with SJWs. The second rule of SJW is: You do not mess around with SJWs. There are some topics I will never talk in public or discuss in writing. Will miss him.

    • by Kokuyo ( 549451 )

      "When they came for the Jews, I said nothing. I wasn't a Jew."

      I'm opening my mouth wherever I go. Granted, I don't work as a corporate slave in America so I'm not quite as likely to be fired. Also I'm a nobody and my utterings will probably never reach more than five people at a time.

      Still, if shit ever goes down, nobody will be able to blame me for having been a coward.

      • by BAReFO0t ( 6240524 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @04:09AM (#59202276)

        As a German, this is like the Nazis: A very few crazy nutjobs can scream and demand aaall they want. It won't mean or do one flying fuck!

        UNLESS there are cowards *obeying* their bullying, or keeping their mouths shut!

        Only a small fraction of Germans were true Nazis. The coulsn't have done anything all alone! BUT we had and still have a culture of followers and cowards. If an asshole screams loudly, everyone obeys. And many even start screaming too! Just out of being like a floppy mollusc to the tiniest bit of peer pressure.

        With SJWs, it's exactly the same!
        Don't put the spotlight on them, and they are merely a fringe joke, people laugh at.
        But if you go along, you're just as guilty as they are.
        Of abuse and terrorism, by the way.

    • by cold fjord ( 826450 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @03:02AM (#59202124)

      The first rule of SJW is: You do not mess around with SJWs. The second rule of SJW is: You do not mess around with SJWs. There are some topics I will never talk in public or discuss in writing. Will miss him.

      So in the end . . . the Fascists/Communists/Terrorists/Totalatarians/"Social Justice" Mob win?

      Well, maybe not always.

      Court enters $25 million Judgment against Oberlin College in Gibson’s Bakery case [legalinsurrection.com]
      Why Journalists’ Old Tweets Are Fair Game for Trump [politico.com]

      As Benjamin Franklin noted, "A republic, if you can keep it...." I'm not particuarlily sanguine at the prospects.

      .

  • by shanen ( 462549 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:23AM (#59201772) Homepage Journal

    And THIS is why Jeffrey Epstein should have been wearing an anti-suicide watch to make sure he didn't commit suicide or get suicided. We have the technology. Just a slight modification of any activity monitor with pulse tracking. I really doubt we can ever figure out the real truths now.

    By the way, it's not that rms was still an administrative leader of MIT and who knows how long it's been since he taught a class, but the reputational damage is real, and significant. One of the best universities in the world is NOT benefiting from this ongoing fiasco. Maybe that's why Epstein was so interested in Minsky in the first place? I do think there must have been a reason for compromising Marvin Minsky, who was NOT one of the world's most famous party animals. (And don't forget the head if the Media Lab has already resigned.)

    (Personal disclaimer required? I do NOT hold it against MIT that I was not accepted when I applied so many years ago. Yes, I think it would have changed my life if I had gone there, and probably for the better, but I did okay at my second choice. No schadenfreude.)

  • Thanks RMS (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Njovich ( 553857 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:24AM (#59201782)

    It suits him that he went down (at least at MIT) trying to defend someone that could not defend himself from a witchhunt. Most people would wisely keep their mouth shut, Stallman just says it like he sees it. I think that if you read Stallmans comments objectively you can't really fault what he said.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by kamapuaa ( 555446 )

      "It's not sexual assault, you see, because Minsky didn't actually witness an act of violence, and the word "assault" sounds too much like you actually see somebody get hit, not just a child is forced into prostitution."

      No, that is stupid shit. Call a spade a spade. Stallman was grasping at straws to help a man who went behind MIT official policy to assist an infamous pedophile. At the best, rms's argument was pedantic and pointless.

      Stallman is frequently on record defending pedophilia. Why can't we admi

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by mamba-mamba ( 445365 )

        Mods DO NOT MOD PARENT DOWN. I disagree with it too, but keep it up and let people reply. Sheesh. Air both sides of the argument. This is obviously a sincere expression of a reaction that many people have had to this. Even if you disagree consider modding it back up to at least 2 or 3.

        • Re: Thanks RMS (Score:4, Insightful)

          by c6gunner ( 950153 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @02:04AM (#59202024) Homepage

          It's not "both sides of the argument" when he's just making a bunch of allegations with no contexts and zero evidence.

          • Re: Thanks RMS (Score:4, Informative)

            by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @03:31AM (#59202188) Homepage Journal

            The evidence is here: https://medium.com/@selamie/re... [medium.com]

            Stallman has not disputed that that is an accurate record of the email he sent. The relevant part:

            The accusation quoted is a clear example of inflation. The reference
            reports the claim that Minsky had sex with one of Epsteinâ(TM)s harem.
            (See https://www.theverge.com/2019/... [theverge.com])

            Letâ(TM)s presume that was true (I see no reason to disbelieve it).
            The word âoeassaultingâ presumes that he applied force or violence, in
            some unspecified way, but the article itself says no such thing.
            Only that they had sex.

            We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that
            she presented herself to him as entirely willing. Assuming she was
            being coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her
            to conceal that from most of his associates.

            Iâ(TM)ve concluded from various examples of accusation inflation that it
            is absolutely wrong to use the term âoesexual assaultâ in an accusation.

            Legally sexual assault is defined as any unwanted sexual contact. Since she was coerced it was unwanted. Stallman's argument that Minsky didn't know that is extremely weak. Minsky should reasonably have known that, or at least strongly suspected it given what he knew at the time. And merely being ignorant of the coercion is not actually a legal defence of it.

            Therefore "sexual assault" is absolutely the correct description.

            • Re: Thanks RMS (Score:4, Insightful)

              by c6gunner ( 950153 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @04:34AM (#59202310) Homepage

              That's better, now we actually have something to work with.

              Legally sexual assault is defined as any unwanted sexual contact. Since she was coerced it was unwanted.

              That does not neccesarily follow, but it's close enough in this context. Ok, I'm with you so far.

              Stallman's argument that Minsky didn't know that is extremely weak. Minsky should reasonably have known that, or at least strongly suspected it given what he knew at the time.

              Now you go and make another allegation completely free of context. Even if we pretend that your unexplained and unsupported allegation is accurate, it's an extremely weak argument. There are any number of reasons why a person may be unaware of something despite your estimation that they "should have" been aware of it. I see it every goddamn day.

              And merely being ignorant of the coercion is not actually a legal defence of it.

              Thats a fucking insane claim to make. You seem to be determined to create a world where no defense is possible.

              Therefore "sexual assault" is absolutely the correct description.

              If such an act actually occurred, "sexual assault" may be the correct term for how you view the encounter ... but it doesn't make the other party guilty of the crime. Just like if someone coerces you into selling me something you may view it as a theft, but it wouldn't make me guilty of stealing.

              Under your meandering definition, all prostitution would be sexual assault. After all, the prostitue doesn't really want sex; she just wants the money. The actual sexual contact is unwanted, therefore it must be assault. I realize that this is a popular form of "logic" amongst third wave feminists, but it's obviously retarded.

              Of course all of this is doubly stupid since, by all accounts I've seen, the encounter never even took place. So the "assaulter" is guilty of nothing since the "assault" never occurred, and Stallman is guilty of engaging in a thought experiment which you personally dislike. Quelle horreur.

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  • by poity ( 465672 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:41AM (#59201818)

    ...in this era where slippery language is celebrated as progress and the worst assumptions form the foundation of the moral high ground, the nerd is not safe.

  • Peace out FSF (Score:3, Interesting)

    by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:51AM (#59201830)

    Guess that's one less renewal to worry about. Not going to support an organization that pressures people to leave just because of a few complaints.

  • by weev88 ( 6243882 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @03:33AM (#59202200)
    Stallman is a genius and lives a life like an Diogenes or a wandering prophet.

    Like many brilliant people who occupy that category, he has no sense of social graces. He writes down the things he thinks. He has virtually no theory of mind, no way to perceive how the people around him are going to react to what he says. In the past, that curse has granted us with great gifts as Stallman had the boldness and fool's spirit of being able to say and think things others would not. That granted us the entire ecosystem of free software, and who knows how decrepit the Internet would be without his contributions. At one point this guy had the entirety of gcc in his head. I can't even fathom the kind of brain that could do that.

    The other half of this condition is that he doesn't understand a lot of the world. He has no idea how people relate to one another, how they communicate with one another. He'll eat something off his foot in public. He's affected by an extreme disability that puts his social abilities on par with many children of single digit ages. What the people are doing who just drove him out of the last corners of social prestige he had is bullying a disabled person.

    As the United States and Europe become more Communist, far more people will be afflicted by the curse of saying things that the commissars disapprove of. Most of them are children, idly posting away on social media completely unaware that they destroy their futures. I know an autistic refugee that had academic grants cancelled because of something they said on Twitter years ago, when they were 16. Tanner Flake had a politically prominent father and said some off color things in video game communities when he was 9 and 10. Google will never forget it.

    This is all so perverse. The people doing this stuff are pure evil.

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    • by NoImNotNineVolt ( 832851 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @06:48AM (#59202524) Homepage

      As the United States and Europe become more Communist, far more people will be afflicted by the curse of saying things that the commissars disapprove of

      It's not clear what the workers owning the means of production has to do with any of this, but otherwise great post.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @07:36AM (#59202670) Homepage Journal

      As the United States and Europe become more Communist

      Really? With Donald Trump in the Whitehouse and a far right surge in Europe, you think we are becoming more Communist?

      If those lot are capital-C Communists who occupies the centre ground in your mind?

    • by sabbede ( 2678435 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @07:58AM (#59202742)
      HAH! I love it!

      He's being persecuted for his disability (Asperger's I assume) by the same people who would otherwise have been outraged on his behalf. How delightfully perverse a reversal!

    • by sbaker ( 47485 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @08:14AM (#59202822) Homepage

      The lack of social graces (and many other aspects of the guy's behavior) are just symptoms of Asperger Syndrome (sorry "ASD") - which afflicts a HUGE and growing percentage of people - and especially in the software world. (I include myself in this).

      The overwhelming desire to say what you believe is true - rather than what is socially acceptable - is something that's literally built into the biology of people with this condition.

      It's both a curse and a blessing.

      It happens to me all the time (although rarely on such a dramatic scale!)...and if you're going to employ people like Stallman - you have to accept that and roll with the punches accordingly.

      EXAMPLE: Just yesterday, my Aunt posted a "Good Luck" thing to someone on Facebook - she attached a picture of a clover-leaf. Instead of "Liking" her post or adding my sentiments - I simply couldn't prevent myself from pointing out that lucky clovers have FOUR leaves, not three (as she posted). Of course this was a stupid thing to do - and I got a shit-storm of complaints about being unfeeling and that COMPLETELY derailed the original line of discussion. In hindsight...yeah...I should have shut my trap. But it's TRULY no possible for me to make that kind of call - I just don't have the brain function that allows everyone else to predict the outcomes of these kinds of social interactions.

      Point is - this is who we are. It's an actual, for real, disability. You can no more demand that Stallman has social graces than demand that a color blind person distinguish red from green.

      People need to realize this. It's an actual thing.

  • by fred911 ( 83970 ) on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @04:09AM (#59202278) Journal

    when an expression of opinion has the ability to outweigh the value of one's work. There's no doubt that RMS has significantly changed the landscape of computing. His past and current contributions stand on their own, regardless of whether or not people agree with or his opinions or that they align today's current fashion.

    A person of such depth of experience, an incredible resource of historical and developmental processes, and one with immeasurable ability will be more of a loss to MIT than to him.

      And, I doubt it really matters to him. The loss is on MIT's side. The only shame is the dunce cap now hanging over MIT.

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