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Yahoo Groups Is Winding Down and All Content Will Be Permanently Removed (vice.com) 82

Yahoo announced on Wednesday that it is winding down its long-running Yahoo Groups site. From a report: As of October 21, users will no longer be able to post new content to the site, and on December 14 Yahoo will permanently delete all previously posted content. "You'll have until that date to save anything you've uploaded," an announcement post reads. Yahoo Groups, launched in 2001, is a cross between a platform for mailing lists and internet forums. Groups can be interacted with on the Yahoo Groups site itself, or via email. In the 18 years that it existed, numerous niche communities made a home on the platform. Now, with the site's planned obsolescence, users are looking for ways to save their Groups history.
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Yahoo Groups Is Winding Down and All Content Will Be Permanently Removed

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  • So much for the internet being forever.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Better yet: so much for Yahoo having ANY reason to exist anymore.

      The downward slide started with the demise of Yahoo Auctions. If they had bothered morphing into something else, they could have given Amazon a run for their money early on. Or if they had bothered waiting, people would have fled ebay for an alternative. Wouldn't it be nice if there were an alternative to ebay for the true one-off odds and ends?
    • Remember when they turned down Microsoft's offer of $31 per share (ca. $44.6 billion) in 2008?

  • by Nkwe ( 604125 ) on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @03:43PM (#59315740)
    I used a tool called PG Offline [personalgroupware.com] which downloads all the messages, pictures, and file related content for offline viewing. I last ran the tool a year or so, but it worked just fine then. There is a trial and a license is like $25.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @03:49PM (#59315780)

      Or, you know, use a better free tool like wget mirror.

      Man, I'm a member of a bunch of technical, ham radio, and motorcycle groups on there and I really don't want to see all that content and useful information go away. :(

      • by Agripa ( 139780 )

        Or, you know, use a better free tool like wget mirror.

        Man, I'm a member of a bunch of technical, ham radio, and motorcycle groups on there and I really don't want to see all that content and useful information go away. :(

        Many years ago we did something like that for reasons which escape me now and saved the content of several groups. Not long afterward, Yahoo changed how the interface worked and added measures to stop "abusive access". So it is not as simple as crawling the forums anymore. That went along with TOS changes which forbid downloading your own content.

    • HTtrack is free, it's a tracker that lets one download websites. I used it many years ago to grab entire sites, very handy http://www.httrack.com/ [httrack.com].

  • by Eubeleus ( 150101 ) on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @03:45PM (#59315752)

    Because there is a serious amount of porn yahoo groups.

  • by stinerman ( 812158 ) on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @03:47PM (#59315772)

    If they got rid of Answers, generations of human beings wouldn't know how babby is formed.

  • by PPH ( 736903 )

    Back to Usenet.

    • Know a good provider? Post it. My ISP dropped Usenet 5+ years ago.
      • I have been happy with Giganews over the past few years. I pay $10 a month for their Bronze plan.
        • by Kiralan ( 765796 )
          They (Giganews) were OK, performance-wise and price-wise. However, their method of 'pulling' content (for copyright I assume) was to break the download (remove one or more blocks) of the stream at the 33% mark. I understand the need to prevent the download, just disagree with their method.
      • by dryeo ( 100693 )

        astraweb.com, $10 for 25 GBs which lasts forever if just doing text. aioe.org if you want free.

        • by Opyros ( 1153335 )
          eternal-september.org is also free.
          • by dryeo ( 100693 )

            Yes, I've heard good things about them too. I stumbled on aioe first when my ISP dropped usenet and was quite happy for the price. The paid account is nice as it has a long retention policy amongst other things and $10 for basically the rest of your life is a good deal.

    • by k6mfw ( 1182893 )
      I wish. I remember back in the days when you can ask a question whether about how to assemble zip files, how does such and such video camera can be adjusted, etc. And get real answers from real people. Some groan about usenet like they do about geocities, there was some good stuff by individuals who put in the time to have something useful to share. These days most are out to make a buck, scam, or simply boost site visit numbers.
  • I wonder what would be a suitable replacement for Yahoo Groups, other than Facebook. The main reason you want to keep groups separately from social networking is for privacy's sake, and also more of control of the hosted files.

    • /dev/null

    • by toast- ( 72345 ) on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @04:23PM (#59315936)

      groups.io

      created by the founder of Egroups.. who sold it to Yahoo... and became Yahoo groups.

      • by lFaRptHjbZDI ( 6200322 ) on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @05:16PM (#59316152)
        Someone needs to invent some kind of Internet-based message board system where messages are distributed widely across the Internet so there's no single point of failure. Maybe they could even make a dedicated protocol for distributing the messages efficiently and they could organize all of the discussions into some sort of hierarchy that makes it easy to find subjects you're interested in discussing. Oh well, one can dream. It's probably too advanced for today's computers. /s
        • by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @06:19PM (#59316336) Homepage Journal

          You could call it Network News, and distribute it over a simple text-based Transport Protocol. /s

          For what it's worth, I had a lot of posts on Prodigy's message boards that are lost to the ether. I've chalked it up to the natural tendency of the digital world to succumb to entropy.

          These online forums are an impermanent communication medium. We should live in the moment and accept that a big portion, except the most embarrassing bits, will be lost. It parallels the daily conversations of ancient civilizations have been lost to the winds of time.

        • by G00F ( 241765 )

          usenet

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

          Was the best way to get warez back in the day, if your ISP didn't take measures and trim things....

        • by Agripa ( 139780 )

          Someone needs to invent some kind of Internet-based message board system where messages are distributed widely across the Internet so there's no single point of failure. Maybe they could even make a dedicated protocol for distributing the messages efficiently and they could organize all of the discussions into some sort of hierarchy that makes it easy to find subjects you're interested in discussing. Oh well, one can dream. It's probably too advanced for today's computers. /s

          But how does that facilitate user lock-in?

        • I used a usenet group in 1986 (> or ) to find a used dishwasher for sale in my area. I succeeded; the portable dishwasher followed us a couple years later to Colombia, and a few years after that we sold it for about what we had paid for it plus shipping. Those were the days.

      • by theoa ( 88760 )

        > groups.io

        Good suggestion.

        Has ability to transfer much data from Yahoo Groups.

        Friendly human being support and many nice features.

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      Yahoo had it all.
      A GUI, webcam, mic, chat, file transfer, a forum like social media, ads.
      Worked with dial up and broadband.
      It could have been the portal for the world to communicate with.
      Now the world is left with "social media" and all its censorship.
    • by sad_ ( 7868 )

      mewe?
      the social network with privacy in mind.

      or else one of the open source distributed social networks,
      and if all else fails, back to usenet.

    • by Agripa ( 139780 )

      I wonder what would be a suitable replacement for Yahoo Groups, other than Facebook. The main reason you want to keep groups separately from social networking is for privacy's sake, and also more of control of the hosted files.

      We transferred several of our Yahoo Groups to Groups.io several years ago when they were beta testing their capability to the content.

      https://groups.io/ [groups.io]

  • Seriously, who knew that Yahoo Groups was still running?

    It was a dreadful discussion platform 10 years ago and never got better. It's still the same awkward, lame, and barely functional heap of dreck today that it was a decade ago.

    If you want to keep the ball rolling, download your content and stuff it into some FOSS forum like SMF or phpBB. Yes, it will require some conversion but it's not that difficult if you know a little scripting and some mysql or postgres or whatever.

    • It's the hosting bill that's going to be the problem. Not the technological underpinnings.

    • Re:Lol who knew (Score:4, Informative)

      by jfdavis668 ( 1414919 ) on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @04:51PM (#59316050)
      There are loads of active groups still using Yahoo. Yes, they are obsolete and a pain to use, but there is a ton of useful data posted there.
      • Yes, they are obsolete and a pain to use, but there is a ton of useful data posted there.

        I know there is, I've found stuff there myself.

        If I had the time or interest I'd use something like PG Offline to scrape a bunch of the more interesting and/or active groups and replicate them on a forum script.

        If anyone has a group there I'd say they should at least grab the stuff before it disappears; you can take whatever time you need to put it back up. But once it's gone, it's gone.

      • by Megane ( 129182 )

        The reason I never took Yahoo Groups seriously was that there were so many hobby-related groups that were "must register to read". (or at least to get the one or two tiny little zip files I was looking for) I get tired of signing up for every little thing under the sun, especially on Yahoo, which (surprise!) already has a sign-in. And then you got un-registered if you didn't go back for a few months. Register to post I can accept, not to merely read, unless you have something to hide from the general public

    • by dryeo ( 100693 )

      Works much like any mailing list, except ads at the bottom where they're easy to ignore.

    • Yea actually I thought I already remembered hearing this news about 11-12 years ago.

    • by Ksevio ( 865461 )

      Freecycle mailing list still runs on it and I'm sure many more

  • by mccalli ( 323026 ) on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @03:54PM (#59315806) Homepage
    Come on back. You know you want to.
  • by kbahey ( 102895 ) on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @04:44PM (#59316026) Homepage

    Found the following tools to download messages from Yahoo Groups.

    I have yet to try them out. Please reply if you do ...

    Yahoo Groups Backup [github.com] is written in Pythong, and says it can do public and private groups. But requires Mongo and Selenium, so considerable complexity for such a task.

    Yahoo Group Archiver [github.com] is written in Python. It says "public groups".

    Grab Yahoo Group [sourceforge.net] is on Source Forge, but seems old.

  • by macraig ( 621737 ) <mark@a@craig.gmail@com> on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @04:58PM (#59316074)

    This is how technology companies handle technology.

  • It wound down a long time ago when they bought it and removed porn.

  • by AndyKron ( 937105 ) on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @05:08PM (#59316118)
    I should probably check my Yahoo mail sometime, it's been a year now...
  • There's still lots of great content. I use it for help with chemistry schoolwork almost every day. It's going to be a shame for it all to go away. I can't believe it's not worth continuing to host indefinitely.
  • Can other Organizations Archive the Content? I know that a small Neutral organization continued the (rather pointless) existence of AIM and YIM as an independent service using reverse engineered servers. You have to have an account with them, but you can use a reconfigured either YIM Messenger or AIM with the service. So why does a similar organization preserve the content?

  • One of the benefits [ipfs.io] of IPFS is that content no longer lives on one server. As long as one node has a copy, it continues to exist in the network. Moving to an architecture that is content-centric (instead of site-centric) would eliminate the problem of these massive content repositories going offline for one reason or another.

  • As I read the fine print, it appears that Yahoo Groups is deleting the file storage portion of each Yahoo group site, What will remain is the membership list and the engine that remails messages to the persons listed on the membership list. What about the recently sent emails? I presume they will not be deleted.

    Here is the economic question: What is the specific cost and revenue problem that drives this downsizing effort? Is the files portion of the Yahoo groups costing too much because of administration co

    • to a deeeelux apt in the sky...

      Everything Oath is moving to the cloud by Verizon decree.

      This is now one less thing to move to the cloud.

    • by Agripa ( 139780 )

      Here is the economic question: What is the specific cost and revenue problem that drives this downsizing effort? Is the files portion of the Yahoo groups costing too much because of administration costs (I mean the labor bill for US based system administrators), is it the inability of advertising to produce revenue when the file storage is accessed, is the static file base a legal problem because of possibly illegal file content? Or are the system costs getting too high such as the bandwidth cost or the electricity cost or the capital cost of servers and disk drives?

      Yahoo pissing off the Yahoo Groups users over the years caused the highest volume and most sophisticated groups to leave. The exodus started after they "improved" the interface in 2013 and added features to stop people from copying their own content off. Most of the groups I participated in moved to Groups.io after Verizon purchased Yahoo figuring it was just a matter of time.

  • There isn't really a good alternative ... been looking for one for a client anyway (they didn't want Yahoo branded ad filled stuff).

    The few things out there are not as full featured, clumsier, and/or expensive.

  • by Malays Bowman ( 5436572 ) on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @11:06PM (#59317186)

    They have an archive of almost everything posted on Usenet going back to 1981. Has
    anybody started backing up those archives?

      It took a long time for that archive to be put together, often from old data tapes that have
    been sitting in storage for decades before they were donated to Dejanews(IIRC) to be made available on the net. Sometimes the tapes were so old you would have posts
    with subject and bodies like HHHJJJJJJJJIIIIIJJJIII and III&&*&*&&&&&&^^7777 because of the bit rot. Google then bought Dejanews.

      I'm very worried at this point Google will just shut it down and throw it away like one of it's 2010s experimental services, and without notice.

    • by Agripa ( 139780 )

      They have an archive of almost everything posted on Usenet going back to 1981. Has
      anybody started backing up those archives?

      Google started removing anything they objected to from their Usenet archive years ago so it is too late.

  • I have a list of about a dozen Yahoo groups that I've been watching for years... Sadly, they all are riddled with spam that noone bothers to clean up now.

  • Do they really advise saving the content after Yahoo went to considerable effort to prevent crawling the forums in an attempt to lock users into their service?

    Fuck you Yahoo. That is why most of the groups I participated in left your service a couple years ago.

  • saw this today at a group Attention: Starting December 14, 2019 Yahoo Groups will no longer host user created content on its sites. New content can no longer be uploaded after October 28, 2019. Sending/Receiving email functionality is not going away, you can continue to communicate via any email client with your group members
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