Apple Just Killed Google's Killer Phone Feature (bloomberg.com) 159
Google's Pixel smartphones have always been defined by iPhone-beating cameras, backed by the know-how of its software coders. With the release of the Pixel 4, however, the company has lost its lead -- through a combination of Apple's iPhone 11 camera improvements and its own lack of progress. From a report: Alphabet's Google is selling the Pixel 4 through all four major U.S. wireless carriers for the first time. And it's priced like a premium device: the 5.7-inch Pixel 4 starts at $799 and the 6.3-inch Pixel 4 XL costs $899. That's at least $100 more than the iPhone 11 but without software like iMessage that many Apple users consider a social imperative in the U.S.
With the iPhone 11 and 11 Pro, Apple closed the photography gap with better low-light image quality. Its camera software also makes those photos easier to take by automatically enabling night mode when required. Apple remains way ahead of any other phone maker when it comes to video quality. Deprived of its signature advantage, the Pixel 4 struggles to stand out in a crowded smartphone market. The design -- including materials, proportions and screen bezels -- is utilitarian. When compared with more polished handsets from Apple and Samsung, the Pixel 4 is unremarkable. With a single-digit slice of the smartphone market, Google also lacks the user loyalty and inertia to keep selling without a killer feature.
With the iPhone 11 and 11 Pro, Apple closed the photography gap with better low-light image quality. Its camera software also makes those photos easier to take by automatically enabling night mode when required. Apple remains way ahead of any other phone maker when it comes to video quality. Deprived of its signature advantage, the Pixel 4 struggles to stand out in a crowded smartphone market. The design -- including materials, proportions and screen bezels -- is utilitarian. When compared with more polished handsets from Apple and Samsung, the Pixel 4 is unremarkable. With a single-digit slice of the smartphone market, Google also lacks the user loyalty and inertia to keep selling without a killer feature.
Non-news non-article (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: Non-news non-article (Score:3)
Amen! Even the headline is one of those "One weird trick" that offers nothing of value. Could have been: "iPhone Pro camera is better than Pixel 4 at capturing low light images says opinion piece." But that's too much to ask.
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"Apple, your phone seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?"
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I someday hope to care about something as much as you seem to care about your phone.
Move along, nothing to see here. (Score:3)
I'll wait until DXOMARK does their objective testing.
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Also the biggest issue with the iPhone is that it's an iPhone. Find if you want an iPhone with iOS but if not it's completely ruled out no matter how good the camera is.
Not all of it subjective... (Score:5, Interesting)
Literally. The entire article is simply subjective opinion. No side-by-side comparison of photos, etc.
You can look them up online if you really care...
But at least one point is not at all subjective, the iPhone 11 costs $100 less than the Pixel 4 ($699 for iPhone 11, $799 for Pixel 4).
There is no Pixel 4, not even the Max, with three lenses either (which does require an 11 pro). That is not subjective.
Also the cost to upgrade both phones from the base 64GB of storage to 128gb of storage, is $50 for the iPhone 11, and $100 for the Pixel 4. That is not subjective either.
No more can Apple be considered the highest cost phone when Google has taken the clear lead.
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Apple should probably fix that, lest they lose their public image as being a premium brand. :-)
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If I care about the picture that much, I'll bring along the Canon.
I want the phone to fit in my pocket, have a headphone jack and a reasonably long lived battery.
The camera is secondary.
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...have a headphone jack and a reasonably long lived battery
As a Pixel 4 owner, I have some bad news on both fronts.
I also find the split screen functionality both better (can chose any app) and worse (cannot set at anything other than 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 screen in portrait and 1/2 in landscape) than on my many years old Samsung.
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I have the LG V35 (last Fi compatible phone with a headphone jack that isn't the low end moto thing).
Being Fi compatible is a big bonus in the US, compared to being stuck with the over-limit practices of the other carriers.
It's fine, but I'm still waiting to be impressed by some new technology that makes life better.
How about using some of that AI so that Bluetooth can automatically connect to the one device I want it to instead of one-by-one trying everything in sight?
How about the phone being the file tra
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The iPhone 11 is the successor to the XR. It's a cheaper phone with compromises, such as lower display resolution.
The Pixel 4 is meant to compete with the iPhone 11 Pro, and Pixel 4 XL with iPhone 11 Pro Max.
More Fake News from the Apple Haters (Score:2)
The iPhone 11 is the successor to the XR. It's a cheaper phone with compromises, such as lower display resolution.
False. Same display resolution as the XR (1792x828). Exact sample pixel density. What other "compromises" do you think it has, so I can continue to point out how five seconds of Googling proves you wrong.
The Pixel 4 is meant to compete with the iPhone 11 Pro, and Pixel 4 XL with iPhone 11 Pro Max.
How do you figure that? The Pixel has one less camera lens and a much worse front facing camera
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Same display resolution as the XR (1792x828). Exact sample pixel density.
Well thanks for confirming my point. This is lower than the iPhone 11 Pro or any high end phone on the market, including the Pixel 4.
Google doesn't have a phone to compete with the XR. Another phone in that market is the Galaxy S10e. It also has a cheaper price, less cameras than the "regular" S10, and a lower display resolution.
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The Pixel phone is much better because its more expensive. Is that not iFan thinking?
No that is Apple Hater thinking, by people who only think people buy Apple because of price and not experience/satisfaction.
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Inigo Montoya says hi, and that you need to look up the definition of "mandatory".
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And you can pull your head out. The poster was asking about a specific reviewer....if he knows about them, he knows how to look up their reviews.
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It is utterly dead for photography (Score:2)
From the video at that link:
"128GB max storage is a straight-up deal breaker" (for the Pixel).
I have more than a 128GB of JUST PHOTOS AND VIDEOS on my phone right now. Remember these things can (and should) shoot 4k 60FPS video, along with effectively RAW images with a lot more data. If you care about photos/videos at all you simply cannot use a Pixel.
Also I don't believe he compared to the iPhone with Deep Fusion included (which is still just in the beta OS), that offers quite a large improvement in low-
Embrace the healing power of AND (Score:2)
If you actually care about photos at all, you'll get a decent camera with a real lens, and shoot raw.
I have been shooting a DSLR with pro lenses for decades.
But guess what? You cannot always have those with you. And frankly, the video abilities now of the higher end phones greatly exceed most DSLRs that even support video....
Not to mention, there are some situations where Night Shot mode from the iPhone and Android cameras will make short work of producing a good image that would take make exposures and s
Google's side gig (Score:2)
Hardware has always been something that Google dabbled in but never fully committed to.
Yes, yes, I know I'll hear from people telling me they still own the first $GOOGLE_PRODUCT they ever bought, but there's no denying that Google is fickle with stuff, dropping apps and devices when it suits them, and often without much warning.
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If you install the latest version of Android on an older pixel phone your battery life is now measured in hours. No real fixes from google other than "oh that sucks how about buying a new phone?" And you can't downgrade either.
Smartphones my ass ... (Score:2)
... that product has topped out.
Now it's smartcameras.
DXOmark or the like? (Score:4, Informative)
I don't understand why this is even here.
The article says the iPhone "killed google's killer phone feature" by offering a similar, me too feature. Then says the Pixel doesn't stand out in a crowd of me too devices. LOL ok. But the article doesn't even compare the two features performance, or the cameras' performance, or anything else, really. Just that Pixels don't have iMessage. Is that any real loss? And Apple added a single comparable feature.
Oh, the author feels the the bezels, and materials are utilitarian, and not polished like Apple?
This article is useless and the author is clearly biased. Not that I would ever pay more than $300 for a phone anyway, but yeesh.
Sam
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If anything I think Google may have killed Google's phones, because the "killer features" on the Pixel 4 kind of ... aren't.
It has Google's take on Face ID, which no one who uses Apple devices likes. It removes the fingerprint sensor, the biometric ID that just sort of works and works so well on the earlier Pixel phones. It adds a weird radar gesture thing that reviews have all found difficult to use and unnecessary compared to just using the phone directly. (Seriously, where are you going to be that it mak
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Who the hell are you talking to? Everyone that I know using FaceID likes it. Not only do I like it, having it on my XR and NOT on my iPad makes my iPad feel broken. Dieter Bohn at the Verge basically said, "you might like a fingerprint sensor, but face unlock is better in virtually every regard".
Sales of the iPhone 11 also don't really bear out anything you're saying.
I don't know where you're getting this BS from, but you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Yeah, no, no one likes Face ID better than Touch ID. Touch ID worked flawlessly. It let you unlock the phone with an explicit gesture, it didn't see your pocket as a finger trying to unlock your phone so it didn't leave your phone in a that "please enter your PIN to reenable Face ID" state Face ID is constantly in, and it didn't require you to hold the phone at a very specific angle and distance from your face to work. It's even worse on the iPad since you basically have to hold the iPad up to your face and
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It's very clear that you don't have an iPhone, because you still have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
My XR has never—not once—gone into "please enter your PIN" mode in my pocket and locked out my face. My phone unlocks at a variety of different angles. I have it here at my desk on a stand. The angle of the stand and my body in relation to it changes all the time, and it still unlocks reliably. At worst, I'm leaning back when a notification comes in, and I have to lean forward 5cm b
How do I git rid of the adverts? (Score:2)
Oh, I know - get rid of msmash.
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Real time language translation is pretty killer.
Real time captioning is pretty killer.
Struggling to stand out? (Score:4, Interesting)
a) It's camera is still the best Android has to offer.
b) It's not an iPhone.
Seriously the iPhone 11 could have a blowjob adapter and the Pixel 4 would still stand out for many people. Who put this stupid fanboi opinion slashvertisement on the front page?
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I've seen the Pixel 4 pictures and they seem...different to the iPhone 11 ones. Roughly the same, but the Pixel on the whole tends to do things more brightly than the 11 does. That's fine - honestly it's visually more appealing in many cases than pure accuracy would be. Pick whatever you like. Maybe you don't care about the camera at all and want iOS for its catalogue and i
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Exactly. Comparing the iPhone to Android in an all out war is somewhat irrelevant since people don't switch platforms because they are invested in them, literally in the monetary sense, and phones are well and truly past the growth phase. It was important in the past where there was an ever expanding market for smartphones, but in the west that ship has sailed.
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The least they could've done was also submit one of the panicked Forbes opinion pieces that say that the iPhone is dead in the water because nobody would EVER buy a phone with a big square camera bump on the back.
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Except however much people hate something, switching platforms is expensive in the literal sense of having to repurchase content, and complex in the sense of having to migrate data and systems.
While I said the iPhone could come with a blowjob adapter and no one would switch to it, it could likewise electrocute users at random intervals and people won't switch from it either.
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Oh, I agree. I'm just saying that this is a bit of a fluff piece, and the Forbes articles are the exact opposite: completely unhinged criticisms of the iPhone and Apple in general, always claiming the sky is falling.
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In which aspect is it crushing the iPhone 11? Owners' ratings? Sales? Number of units sold? Years of patches issued?
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not running iOS
Re:Subjective (Score:4, Interesting)
+1. People are not hopping back and forth between platforms at any major rate. Modest differences in picture is definitely didn't cause a mass iOS exodus prior to the iPhone 11 release, nor will it now cause a mass exodus from Android to iOS now. Within each walled garden you'll see erosion of one vendor to another (e.g. Samsung to Google), but that's about it. Within the iOS garden the new features will drive upgrade rates from old generations. Most folks make a choice and stick with it for quite some time.
Most folks just need a good-enough camera, decent battery life, and a screen that does not suck too much. Within Android you also need to worry about low end phones being unsupported, buggy, and likely malware/bloatware laden. Smartphones have plateaued, and recent design changes have become more and more desperate attempts to differentiate from last years model with little noticeable benefit to the buyers.
Point and shoot cameras have been dead for years, a testament to the fact that smartphone cameras have beeen "good enough" for quite some time.
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spot on comment
Fandroids (Score:2)
And those people are Fandroid wankers. Zombie Steve isn't holding a gun to your head, just buy what you want that does what you want at the price you're willing to pay, and get over yourself.
Proper comparative article instead of hype (Score:4, Insightful)
https://www.phonearena.com/new... [phonearena.com]
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Wow. I haven't seen a white balance as bad as that of the iPhone 11 in a really long time. I do wonder if there was a wrong setting in there somewhere, because if there wasn't, holy crap!
yawn (Score:2)
Headline from the future (Score:2)
I'm also available for Birthdays, parties and Bar Mitzvah.
social imperative in the U.S (Score:2)
but without software like iMessage that many Apple users consider a social imperative in the U.S
Are Apple users that dumb in the US? To consider a proprietary chat application to be an imperative?
"Killer feature" (Score:4)
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A lot of people care about the camera. I dunno man, maybe you've noticed everyone snapping a zillion photos of everything all the time?
I doubt it's something that will make someone jump from Android to iOS or vice versa, but it might make a difference when deciding to go with one Android phone over another. It's certainly one of the biggest things I think about when I upgrade my iPhone. "Is my camera far enough behind to justify an upgrade?" That usually takes 3 or 4 years, but it's a good metric.
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Errr a lot of people. Having a good phone camera is the difference between being all good and having to buy another camera. As a professional myself I care even more about a good quality camera precisely because I'm not always lugging my bulky equipment around with me.
Killer feature (Score:2)
Wow, if only the Pixel 4 had a killer feature... like a headphone jack. I made that mistake buying the Pixel 2 XL, and now I'm stuck waiting for a decent phone to come along that supports google fi and has a headphone jack. Maybe they'll make a 4a XL with a headphone jack and 128Gb of memory in the spring.
the camera? (Score:2)
oh, so the camera is the killer feature?
i though it was not being tied to a walled garden,
or to have the option to buy a phone from any vendor that matches what i'm looking for (and not what apple thinks i need).
but no, it was the camera all along.
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oh, so the camera is the killer feature?
i though it was not being tied to a walled garden,
or to have the option to buy a phone from any vendor that matches what i'm looking for (and not what apple thinks i need).
but no, it was the camera all along.
For lots of people, the camera is a compelling reason to upgrade from their existing phone. I'm not one of them, but I've got an iPhone 6S whose low-light pictures will, I'm sure, be obviously inferior to either the iPhone 11 or the Pixel 4. Will either camera, in isolation, be the reason why people with a decade in one ecosystem or the other switch? Probably not. However, someone on the fence and for whom the camera differences are worth upgrading anyway might end up having the camera be the deciding facto
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I am the only one in my family with an Android phone. The kids like iMessage because:
- it can work over wifi
- messages come to your ipad/macbook
- it seems like there are some instant response type things; on my phone I get a "so-and-so laughed at ", but it seems like they see a laughing face or something
The second one, for me, is an actual advantage; there's no easy way for me to see and respond to a text from my android tablet, whereas my wife can use Messages on her iPad. And the wifi texting can be useful when traveling. It's not enough to make me want to get an iPhone, but it is a thing, just like in my experience facetime works better than most alternatives.
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But all my messages are in signal ;-)
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The kids like iMessage because: ...
My teenage daughter is begging for an iPhone mostly because of iMessage. Why? General messaging apps are ubiquitous, right? No, girls without iMessage are shunned and left out of electronic social conversations. I didn't believe her when she said it, but other girls I've talked to confirm this. It's not a technical reason but a social one, and not an appealing reason.
there's no easy way for me to see and respond to a text from my android tablet, whereas my wife can use Messages on her iPad. And the wifi texting can be useful when traveling.
Is there something about iPads without cell antennas that allow them to handle SMS? Or do they exactly handle SMS and non-SMS messaging the same as all Android tablets, with the exception that they have their own proprietary messaging protocol that could technically be ported to Android but which is restricted for commercial reasons?
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Plus, iMessage will send messages over wifi. I work in a hospital with a lot of dead spots for cell coverage (huge block of steel-reinforced concrete makes a reasonably good Faraday cage), and that plus wifi calling has turned out to be damned useful.
Sincere question since I don't know much about iPhones: I keep reading about this capability of iMessage to send messages over wifi. Is that different than the capability of WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger et al. to communicate over wifi? I know that wifi calling is not an Apple-exclusive feature, but is there something special about iMessage that is different than the many other widely used messaging apps?
Re:iMessage? (Score:4, Informative)
The difference is that iMessage is fully integrated and automatic. You just write a message and it will automatically be sent as iMessage to other iOS/Mac users or as a SMS to others. You don't need to install anything, you don't need to register an account, no need for any configuration, you don't need to log in (except to iCloud, but this is a given with an iPhone anyway).
And it works on the iPhone, the iPad and the Mac, seamlessly and synchronized over all your (Apple) devices you happen to use. So you can message someone with your iPhone and then sit down at your iMac and you'll receive the answer there and then sit down on the couch with your iPad and answer with this, all of this without doing anything special.
iMessage is just extremely convenient, you can use it to its full extent without even knowing you're using it.
Some people just don't understand why this is important because configuring things is fun to them. To others it isn't fun at all.
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The difference is that iMessage is fully integrated and automatic. You just write a message and it will automatically be sent as iMessage to other iOS/Mac users or as a SMS to others. You don't need to install anything, you don't need to register an account, no need for any configuration, you don't need to log in (except to iCloud, but this is a given with an iPhone anyway).
And it works on the iPhone, the iPad and the Mac, seamlessly and synchronized over all your (Apple) devices you happen to use. So you can message someone with your iPhone and then sit down at your iMac and you'll receive the answer there and then sit down on the couch with your iPad and answer with this, all of this without doing anything special.
iMessage is just extremely convenient, you can use it to its full extent without even knowing you're using it.
Some people just don't understand why this is important because configuring things is fun to them. To others it isn't fun at all.
This automagic integration also applies to telephone calling. When I am at home and get a call on my iPhone, my Wifi-Only iPad (2!!!) rings, too. And I believe my iMac does as well. I can pick up the call on ANY of those devices, and they act as a speakerphone-slave to my iPhone. Pretty cool when your iPhone is sitting in another room on charge, but the iPad is next to you.
Again, zero configuration. It just does it. And it does it well!
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Is there something about iPads without cell antennas that allow them to handle SMS? Or do they exactly handle SMS and non-SMS messaging the same as all Android tablets, with the exception that they have their own proprietary messaging protocol that could technically be ported to Android but which is restricted for commercial reasons?
That "something" is the Messages App. It works over WiFi as well as Cell. This is because Apple acts as a Proxy to/from devices running Messages (f/k/a iMessage). But Apple doesn't get the content of those messages (at least not between iOS/iPadOS/WatchOS/macOS users), because the content is end-to-end Encrypted. So, if you see "Blue" Message bubbles, the conversation is indeed Private, because that is the sign that you are conversing with another person running Messages/iMessage. "Green" Message bubbles mean you are conversing with a person not running Messages/iMessage (generally, an Android user), and your conversation is in Clear Text (or whatever SMS/MMS uses).
Another distinction with a difference!
But WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, and many other messaging apps also have end-to-end encryption. That's not an Apple exclusive. All other IP-based messaging apps also work over wifi, cell, or any other data link layer protocol. That's also not an Apple exclusive.
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"But WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, and many other messaging apps also have end-to-end encryption."
You don't know that. That is what they claim, but they are closed source and the functionality can change at any time.
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You know apps that do this are a dime a dozen, right? There must be hundreds of them out there - each trying to create their own walled garden. Apple happens to be a hundred pound gorilla so it's walled garden is bigger and more fashionable than most - but technically these things are as common as dirt. Google's Hangouts does the same thing for example.
The app that does it best for a number of ways is Signal. Which just goes to sho
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Not any that do it automatically across various devices. No dime, no dozen.
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Importantly, SMS messages ALSO come to your iPad and Macbook when you use iMessage (or Messages, as it is properly—and confusingly—called now).
That means even if someone is on an Android phone and texting me, I still get the messages across all my devices. Messages lacks some features that I like in Telegram and even Facebook messenger (of all things), such as replies to specific messages, but it's an excellent messaging experience in general.
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Google Messages does the same thing for Android. https://messages.google.com/ [google.com] is how you get the messages on your computer. Works on all major operating systems.
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I can still remember my UIN. And I'm 99% sure my password.
I'd struggle to come up with any of my family's phone numbers, but my UIN's got instant recall for some reason...
Re:iMessage? (Score:4, Insightful)
Android is behind the curve in this regard. iMessage works over wifi while Android needs some third party application. And of course there are probably a dozen different competing messaging apps that all do the same thing except talk with each other. So which Android messaging app do I pick that can work over wifi and automatically talks to every Android phone?
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Does every Android come with Hangouts and Voice preinstalled? Yes google is third party, the number of hangouts users is a rounding error compared to iMessage.
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Umm, yes.
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If only someone could make a cross-platform messaging/file sharing tool. We could give a hip, cool name like Telegram, or Skype, or WhatsApp, or Line, or...
Get the point? iMessage is pretty much sole-platform - and thus is unusable for the vast majority of people world-wide. Something like Telegram [telegram.org] works on pretty much any platform out there, updates across all, is heavily encrypted, and even has "self-destruct" message functionality.
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We could give a hip, cool name like Telegram, or Skype, or WhatsApp, or Line, or...
And there's the problem right there. It's staring you right in the face, and for some reason you refuse to see it.
iMessage/Messages comes installed by default on every iOS, iPadOS, watchOS, and macOS device. If your intended recipient has one of those devices, they can receive an iMessage -- and if they don't, iMessage will seamlessly send an SMS message instead.
But if I want to use something else...will my recipient have the app to receive it? And which app? Am I expected to keep a dozen different messaging apps on my phone to use depending on who I want to chat with? And am I expected to remember which app Great Aunt Bertha uses now? What if I'm in Line and want to message someone from the Toronto office I'm not really all that familiar with, and it turns out they use WhatsApp?
The plethora of other apps is the problem. Messages works for messaging virtually everyone, as it sends SMS if and when iMessage isn't possible. I can send and receive them from nearly any of my Apple devices. And it all works 100% seamlessly. I don't have to remember if a particular recipient is an iOS/iPadOS/watchOS/macOS user or if they have an Android device, Windows Phone, or an old flip feature phone -- they'll still get the message. Which of course is the whole point of messaging apps in the first place.
Yaz
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Android is behind the curve in this regard. iMessage works over wifi while Android needs some third party application.
Google's Messages app also works over Wifi, integrates with SMS (most people think it's just an SMS app), allows you to receive messages on non-mobile devices. It's fully equivalent to iMessage, though it did take Google a long time to get there.
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You don't know if #1 or #3 are true. The entire system is closed.
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I got the Pixel 3XL for the same 4 reasons you stated. Except I switched to Total Wireless from Google Fi after the required amount of time had passed to not owe Google the full ridiculous cost of their phone.
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Damnit. I need #3 to happen again. I'm an iPhone user, but I need an Android for various purposes too.
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Google has some other cool features like top-shot, thoug
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Yes, and MOST of those side-by-side comparisons are a tossup. The cameras each have conditions under which they excel, but it's no longer clear cut when it comes to still photography.
It IS, however, clear cut when it comes to video. The Pixel lags far behind not just Apple, but also Samsung. If you want the best overall experience, with one device that can do everything, most recommendations I've seen say to go for the iPhone 11 (not pro).
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It lacks end to end encryption (think WhatsApp
and Signal)
And you say such nonsense because?
and can be read by anyone who bring a new phone onto your Apple account.
You mean, just like anyone who similar logs in to your gmail can read your emails and who logs in to your Signal can read your texts? How is this even an issue?!
They insult the intelligence of anyone
other than Apple iFanboys.
I'm still trying to figure out the value that you bring to the table.
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They are also email spammers, adding an Apple advertisement in every email they send. Most don't even turn it off.
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So changing from one single party / communist / authoritarian Asian state to the next is a good thing for you?