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Waymo Complains California's Government Says Its Robotaxi Service Must Be Free For Now (latimes.com) 36

"Waymo wants to deploy a robotaxi service for the general public in parts of California as soon as possible," reports the Los Angeles Times. "But that's unlikely, the company says, because California says it has to offer the service for free." Last year, the California Public Utilities Commission allowed driverless "robotaxi" pilot programs in the state but banned permit-holders from charging fares. The ban is considered temporary but has no timeline. Some industry analysts say the uncertainty could put California's reputation as the world leader in driverless technology at risk.

The free-or-nothing mandate makes no sense to Waymo, the driverless vehicle arm of Google's Alphabet, or to other driverless vehicle start-ups hoping to establish themselves in a new industry that could produce the biggest change in ground transportation since the invention of the automobile. Waymo requires a "commercial path forward" before it can offer Californians the kind of driverless taxi service it's already running across 100 square miles in Phoenix, according to George Ivanov, Waymo's head of policy development and regulatory initiatives...

In July, Waymo began a commission-approved pilot program to ferry Waymo and Google employees and guests through parts of Silicon Valley in driverless cars for free. Waymo doesn't need fare money to fund operations -- Alphabet is an enormous profit machine, and holds more than $100 billion in cash. But Ivanov explained that experimenting with customer response to different fare structures is essential to building out the robotaxi business, which would be like Uber or Lyft but without a human driver.

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Waymo Complains California's Government Says Its Robotaxi Service Must Be Free For Now

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  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Sunday November 03, 2019 @06:08PM (#59376392)

    Show the captive passengers adverts, and don’t unlock the doors until some minimum standard of active engagement has been captured by your surveillance system.

    Come on, Google, it’s how you do everything else...

    • They were going to do that anyway.

    • don't unlock the doors until some minimum standard of active engagement

      Gee ... I wish *I* had thought of this.

      Sunday November 03, 2019 @03:12PM [slashdot.org]

      It's a great deal -- pickups are free! No drivers to talk to you or anything!! And we'll even drive you to where you are going!!!

      Oh, you want to be let out now? Well now, THAT'LL cost you. And don't bother trying to bribe the driver, either -- we own him body and tire.

      I'll just be standing off in the corner, pouting.

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Arggghhh. I think I need to start carrying a large wrench in that future...

    • Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • "To exit car, please submit your personal phone number for your security. To make sure that it is you who are actually leaving, what was your first dog's name? Did you have a mother? If so, what was her maiden name? What is your favorite color/food/drink/celebrity/pr0n/movie/odor/clothing/etc."

      Log entry:
      2019.11.04 18:27:03 arrayListHandler error, redundant element [itemid #382974 "pr0n"]; internal systems already have that information.

  • They didn't outright ban them as causing cancer. They just said that they're only allowed to lose money by running their business.

    • by sjames ( 1099 )

      Waymo said they just wanted to test the technology. They got their request granted in a way that assured their stated reasons would be the only reason they would operate.

      Kinda like when the homeless guy says he hasn't eaten all day, please give him a dollar or two and so you give him food.

  • I don't know what California will do if they are not the leader in driverless technology. What a pity what a shame, I'm crying now my reputation's gone and I have thrown away my fame. All because of those scamy self-driving cars.
  • by DogDude ( 805747 ) on Sunday November 03, 2019 @06:53PM (#59376526)
    It's not safe. It's not tested. It's not legal. Be glad they're letting you test with real humans on public roads.
  • Questions (Score:5, Interesting)

    by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Sunday November 03, 2019 @06:54PM (#59376530)

    Taxis require you to pay once you have reached your destination and the total is displayed (exceptions for trips to LaGuardia and possibly other airports which have a fixed price for taxis).

    What if when you get to your destination you go to pay (via their app, I presume) and it doesn't work? For whatever reason you can't pay. Will it accept cash or credit/debit card? Will the doors remain locked until you pay?

    What if you pay but later get a bill from the taxi company claiming you didn't because they have no record of you paying? Does your app have that record or will you have to go to your bank to get a copy of the payment to the taxi company? What if the app says you paid but there's no record from your bank?

    I'm presuming you get some kind of receipt other than their app (see above)?

    Will the taxi know not to sit in traffic for an extended period of time if traffic is backed up and try to take an alternate route?

    What if on your way to your destination you need to make stop somewhere else before that final stop? Does the taxi have the ability to change destinations on the fly?

  • These companies will be beta testing their offering on customers, there be a huge number of initial issues... it makes sense to offer it at no/low cost to start to avoid value issues.

    • Makes sense to who? Investors are behind the money which is making this work, investors invest so they can see a profit not provide a service to the community (consider that a general comment, obviously there are exceptions.) No business case no money spent, pretty plain stuff. If it makes sense to you to fund this under the current system then go ahead. However I am guessing you cannot afford to, the people who can afford to are the ones who need to decide how to spend their money, not me or you.
      • Prove the technology before you sell it! Oh wait, that's the opposite of standard business practice, better to harm the customer and learn from that.

        • Part of proving the technology is seeing whether people are willing to pay money for it.

          What customers are harmed ?

          • Technology is proven? AI can ride on public roads merely because some marketing firm claims it's ready? Best to put it through more tests rather than treat people as lab rats.

    • by qubezz ( 520511 )
      It's called Alphabet because you're gambling on stuff that will never make it to beta.
  • Not only do they want to use the public as lab rats, but they want to be paid for the opportunity.
  • by qubezz ( 520511 ) on Sunday November 03, 2019 @07:55PM (#59376690)
    C'mon, three Waymo stories on the first page right now??. This is not news for dumb investors, stuff that matters to Waymo.
  • banned permit-holders from charging fares. The ban is considered temporary but has no timeline

    The best things in life are free, aren't they — so your service must be among the best!

    Seriously, Google. You actively promote and support — both as individuals [cnn.com] and as a company [slate.com] — the Left politicians.

    Were you hoping, they'll leave you alone in exchange for your support? Fat chance — the two major stars [davidharrisjr.com] so beloved by California in general and Google in particular both believe, it is shameful

  • ..., which would be like Uber or Lyft but without a human driver.

    Uber and Lyft exist to exploit individual members of society. Driverless cars are more like any good old taxi company, unless you want to borrow the vehicles from individual members of society.

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