Facebook, Google Drop Out of Top 10 'Best Places To Work' List (bloomberg.com) 54
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: Big tech companies like Facebook and Alphabet's Google, long seen as some of the world's most desirable workplaces offering countless perks and employee benefits, are losing some of their shine. The Silicon Valley companies dropped out of the Top 10 "best places to work" in the U.S., according to Glassdoor's annual rankings released Tuesday. HubSpot, a cloud-computing software company, grabbed the No. 1 ranking while tech firms DocuSign and Ultimate Software were three and eight, respectively.
Facebook, which has been rated as the "best place to work" three times in the past 10 years, was ranked 23rd. It's the social-media company's lowest position since it first made the list in 2011 as the top-rated workplace. Facebook, based in Menlo Park, California, was ranked seventh last year. Google, voted "best place to work" in 2015 and a Top-10 finisher the previous eight years, came in at No. 11 on Glassdoor's list. Apple, once a consistent Top-25 finisher, was ranked 84th. Amazon, which has never been known for a positive internal culture, failed to make the list for the 12th straight year. Microsoft was one of the lone big technology companies to jump in the rankings. The Redmond, Washington-based software company moved to No. 21 from 34 a year ago. A few technology companies made the list for the first time, including SurveyMonkey at No. 33, Dell at No. 67 and Slack at No. 69. Here are the ten "best places to work" in 2020 in the U.S., according to Glassdoor:
1. HubSpot
2. Bain & Co.
3. DocuSign
4. In-N-Out Burger
5. Sammons Financial Group
6. Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
7. Intuitive Surgical
8. Ultimate Software
9. VIPKid
10. Southwest Airlines
Facebook, which has been rated as the "best place to work" three times in the past 10 years, was ranked 23rd. It's the social-media company's lowest position since it first made the list in 2011 as the top-rated workplace. Facebook, based in Menlo Park, California, was ranked seventh last year. Google, voted "best place to work" in 2015 and a Top-10 finisher the previous eight years, came in at No. 11 on Glassdoor's list. Apple, once a consistent Top-25 finisher, was ranked 84th. Amazon, which has never been known for a positive internal culture, failed to make the list for the 12th straight year. Microsoft was one of the lone big technology companies to jump in the rankings. The Redmond, Washington-based software company moved to No. 21 from 34 a year ago. A few technology companies made the list for the first time, including SurveyMonkey at No. 33, Dell at No. 67 and Slack at No. 69. Here are the ten "best places to work" in 2020 in the U.S., according to Glassdoor:
1. HubSpot
2. Bain & Co.
3. DocuSign
4. In-N-Out Burger
5. Sammons Financial Group
6. Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
7. Intuitive Surgical
8. Ultimate Software
9. VIPKid
10. Southwest Airlines
In-N-Out Burger #4 (Score:1)
Fuck this shit, I'm quitting and applying to In-N-Out Burger to flip burgers.
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In n Out Burger (Score:4, Funny)
Good thing it’s a great place to work, since most of us in tech may be flipping burgers in a few years thanks to AI.
Re:In n Out Burger (Score:4, Interesting)
AI is just not within our life time. People are constantly over estimating the threat, potential, and possibilities of AI. The more dynamic the processing becomes the harder it is to deal with simple computations. We humans are just too advanced to process simple things like match without a lot of effort or radical deviations from other normal intelligence's. The idea that if we build an AI it will be suddenly free of all of these issues/limitations could very well be pie in the sky dreaming.
Advanced algorithms that come close enough to perform a lot of work is likely sure... but that is just not AI and is just not going to replace IT professionals. It has a chance to increase in some areas because the manpower necessary to deal with that is only going to increase. Just look at Taybot... if we were serious about AI then they must leave that thing around to learn about humanity. But as things go... the first time an AI does something offensive the plug is going to be yanked before we have a chance to really see if it is an AI and the moment you start coding away any free thought or free will... well that is another road block to achieving actual AI.
There is a much greater threat of it becoming dystopian and abused to the point where war is openly being wished for and worked for by everyone to topple the thugs at the top. There will be no remorse combined with much death, pain, and suffering.
Not in your lifetime (Score:5, Funny)
AI might not be in your lifetime. But not everyone at Slashdot is a geriatric.
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It would be a better place to work if the editors weren't required to read the same story twice in one day [slashdot.org].
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Your user numbers are way over a million ... how old could either of you really be?
Re:In n Out Burger (Score:5, Insightful)
AI is just not within our life time. People are constantly over estimating the threat, potential, and possibilities of AI.
10 years ago, companies constantly over estimated the capabilities of outsourced IT services too. Didn't stop Greed from putting thousands of American IT workers in the unemployment line.
It's not just the fact that AI will be deployed prematurely, and won't work anywhere near as intended. It's the fact that Greed doesn't fucking care, and you'll be unemployed just the same.
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AI is modeled after humans so I imagine it like the sentry machine guns that shoot each other in Idiocracy.
Re:In n Out Burger (Score:5, Insightful)
Good thing it’s a great place to work, since most of us in tech may be flipping burgers in a few years thanks to AI.
No way. The burger flipping will be done by robot long before tech employees start being replaced by AI in meaningful numbers.
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No self respecting AI would do something as menial as flipping burgers.
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So train them not to be self-respecting. Problem solved.
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There's an easier way, make it work at McD first for a few weeks to lose any kind of self respect it may have.
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Good thing it’s a great place to work, since most of us in tech may be flipping burgers in a few years thanks to AI.
No way. The burger flipping will be done by robot long before tech employees start being replaced by AI in meaningful numbers.
Says you. I'll be starting up my Vintage Boutique Handmade burger shop soon. What spin are you going to put on IT to make it fashionable enough for people to pay twice as much for it?
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Free-range artisanal software from 100% recycled code, written in the nude.
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Re:In n Out Burger (Score:5, Insightful)
...since most of us in tech may be flipping burgers in a few years thanks to AI.
I thought your were about to say "recession", and agree, but then you said "AI".
When I was finishing my degree in '85 various people, including the professors, told me I'd probably be out of a job in ten years due to AI. I wasn't scared. Soon after that ('88) I met a guy who told me that people had predicted the same thing when he started out in the 60s.
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Interesting (Score:3)
One thing I've noticed about tech companies, especially the FAANGs, is that they promote an "all inclusive" environment where you're encouraged to be at work as much as possible. They basically continue the college campus lifestyle model into work life for new grads who get a spot there. Is it possible the new crop of grads from the earlier 2010s is outgrowing this model? Lots of people in their late 20s/early 30s who work in tech companies wake up after years of 60+ hour weeks and company provided everything and realize they've had enough.
I never worked in SV or for a tech company that has benefits like these, but i can see how it has appeal. All your meals are provided, they give you interesting work to do and everything's fine until you realize you're not leaving work anymore. However, I'm skeptical about the survey methods and the metrics they use. One person's best place to work is another's worst. #2 (Bain and Co.) might pay a ton of money but I can't imagine delivering the same PowerPoints on digital transformation to bored executives week after week.
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For a while it became known as 120% time. As in you're free to work an extra 20% in addition to your normal working hours.
Re:Interesting (Score:5, Interesting)
I interviewed at Google once. The very senior engineers who interviewed me all seemed like they were having a really bad day (and this was before they interviewed me, even). They all looked stressed out and hangdog. Just beaten down.
That's the worst sign you can see as an interviewee. Principal engineers at a good company will always seem upbeat, as they pretty much choose what they want to work on. Any one guy can actually be having a bad day, with his system on fire or whatever, no matter how senior, but even then you'd expect them to be really energized, just distracted.
Any company environment in which the 1% or so of most senior engineers are not loving life, totally enthused by the exiting things they're inventing, you should run away from. I did. Well, I completed the interview out of politeness, always neat to see the questions and all, but that was the end of my interest in Google.
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It could vary by group/department. Every large company contains some good departments and some bad ones.
Re:Interesting (Score:5, Interesting)
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> is that they promote an "all inclusive" environment where you're encouraged to be at work as much as possible.
I've been at Google 10+ years and haven't found that to be true.
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Enjoyment from work is not only the environment - it is how much do you actually achieve in your work. That has been steadily going down in Google, Apple and all other Silly Valley darlings over the years.
Dupe from 4hours earlier (Score:4, Informative)
VIPKid? (Score:3)
Re:VIPKid? (Score:4, Insightful)
It helps when your gig economy employees all have other gigs posting fake reviews to sites like glassdoor.
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A niche business that teaches English to Chinese kids hiring tens of thousands of part-time ("gig") workers is ranked Top 10 Workplaces in the country?! I recognize you don't have to be the largest corporation to "earn" (read: pay for) these rankings, but to believe there are *no other* employers in the country which merit such accolades is laughable!
I agree that a Gig Pimp shouldn't be sitting in a Top 10 ranking, but this also tends to shine a spotlight on just how bad the other educator positions are. There's nothing laughable about American educators and the system that "supports" that chosen career.
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Hubspot? Anyone read Disrupted (Score:3)
These lists are probably all bullshit (Score:1)
What's weird is the Glassdoor list doesn't line up with the Fortune Top 100 list.
1. Hilton
2. Salesforce
3. Wegmans Food Markets
4. Workday
5. Kimpton Hotels & Restaurants
6. Cisco
7. Edward Jones
8. Ultimate Software
9. Texas Health Resources
What's wierder (Score:2)
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Hell yeah it's bullshit. (Score:2)
I can't tell you the jealousy I get when I see hotel workers, strip mall professionals, and temporary office workers.
Fuck man I can't break into that top 10 good life no matter how hard I try.
I totally believe that somewhere these place have relaxed comfortable offices. For the executives and the people they have to look at every day.
public image vs workplace (Score:2)
what i find interesting is that while google/facebook are pretty much loathed by techies, it's pretty much a nice place to work, even if they both dropped several places in the list, they are still top places to work.
apple is oh-so loved, but is a much more worse place to work compared to fb/google.
i would have expected that the public image and the workplace to be much more aligned; as the saying goes 'happy employees make happy customers', doesn't appear to be true.
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What's the point of being a ridiculously overcompensated executive if you have to go to work and directly witness the impact of your selfishness. Fill your own office with nice happy people and then hire flaming personality disorders to run everything outside of the office. Force them to communicate with you in metrics and reports so you never have to deal with their unpleasant personalities directly.
They'll run their little fiefdoms with an iron fist and you can fire them if one of their temper tantrum
More corporate = Less desirable (Score:2)
Google and Facebook have both long since ditched any semblence of good workplaces in favor of meaningless drama and intrigue, political bullshit and deceptive business practices.
Why the fuck would anyone want to work with that shit? Money? That's just something a dumbass would say.
The worst part of working at Bain (Score:3)
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