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Facebook, Twitter Shutter Pro-Trump Network That Used AI To Create Fake People and Push Conspiracies (theverge.com) 136

On Friday, Facebook and Twitter shut down a network of fake accounts that pushed pro-Trump messages all while "masquerading" as Americans with AI-generated faces as profile photos. The Verge reports: In a blog post, Facebook said that it connected the accounts to a US-based media company called The BL that, it claims, has ties to Epoch Media Group. In August, NBC News first reported that Epoch Media Group was pushing messages in support of President Donald Trump across social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter. Epoch has extensive connections to Falun Gong, an eccentric Chinese spiritual community that has faced significant persecution from the country's central government. In a statement provided to The Verge, the Epoch Times denied any connection to The BL.

Facebook noted that many of the fake accounts used in the latest campaign employed false profile photos that appeared to have been generated by artificial intelligence. Those accounts would post BL content in other Facebook groups while pretending to be Americans. Pro-Trump messages were often posted "at very high frequencies" and linked to off-platform sites belonging to the BL and The Epoch Times. The accounts and pages were managed by individuals in the US and Vietnam. Facebook said that it removed 610 accounts, 89 Facebook pages, 156 groups, and 72 Instagram accounts that were connected to the organization. Around 55 million accounts followed one of these Facebook pages and 92,000 followed at least one of the Instagram accounts. The organization spent nearly $9.5 million in advertisements, according to Facebook.

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Facebook, Twitter Shutter Pro-Trump Network That Used AI To Create Fake People and Push Conspiracies

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  • The real question (Score:3, Insightful)

    by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Friday December 20, 2019 @05:51PM (#59543002)

    How does Peter Thiel feel about this [marketwatch.com]? Or is he all for allowing known fake stories remain up because they support the con artist?

  • by Freischutz ( 4776131 ) on Friday December 20, 2019 @06:06PM (#59543046)

    Facebook, Twitter Shutter Pro-Trump Network That Used AI To Create Fake People and Push Conspiracies

    Why pay good money for AI systems to do this? You'd think there is a superabundance of humans willing to do push conspiracy Trump related theories for free?

    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Friday December 20, 2019 @07:19PM (#59543230)
      Stick with me on this, it's kinda long.

      And not for the reason you think. Lefties don't have a lot of power in this country and we sure as heck ain't beating anyone up with our spindly little vegan arms.

      Trump keeps doing bad. He insults vets and the disabled. He used his office to attack a political rival. He's sitting on 10 counts of obstruction of justice. He's a failure as a businessman, only surviving because of his father's connections and inheritance. He's a serial sexual harasser and it is very likely he's committed at least statutory rape and possibly actual rape.

      But Trump voters aren't as dumb as late night TV hosts would have you believe. It's almost comforting to think they are, because the alternative is so much worse.

      They know how awful Trump is, but they love him. Not what he does. Not what he is. Him.

      They're also smart enough to know what they're doing is wrong.

      So no, you're probably not going to get a lot of Trump supporters to come out in droves to flood social media for him. Because they know supporting him is just plain the wrong thing to do. Morally and Economically.

      A YouTuber named Beau of the Fifth Column had a video on how Trump voters feel when they're out in the open wearing a MAGA hat outside a Trump rally. They feel like everyone's staring at them. Judging them. The hilarious thing Beau pointed out was that they were feeling Microagressions. Those things they like to crack jokes about PC Babies cringing in fear.

      And that's why you won't see a lot of Trumpers out of their element.
      • by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 20, 2019 @08:04PM (#59543338)

        Russian bot right there, folks.

        • somebody's called me that, and I'll tell you the same thing I tell everybody who does: I've been posting to /. for almost 20 years and been doing the left wing thing for nigh on 10 (2 major family illnesses laid bare the American economic system to me).

          If I'm a Russian Bot then the Russians are playing one _hell_ of a long game.
      • Comment removed based on user account deletion
      • Can you share some of whatever you're smoking? It's obviously some good shit!

      • by Powercntrl ( 458442 ) on Saturday December 21, 2019 @03:24AM (#59543998) Homepage

        Trump keeps doing bad. He insults vets and the disabled. He used his office to attack a political rival. He's sitting on 10 counts of obstruction of justice. He's a failure as a businessman, only surviving because of his father's connections and inheritance. He's a serial sexual harasser and it is very likely he's committed at least statutory rape and possibly actual rape.

        Let me flip this on you and it might give you some further insight as to why some people still support Trump.

        Imagine instead, that we're in an alternate reality where all of Trump's awful personality traits are intact, but he never made the jump over to whatever the hell passes for being a "conservative" these days. This alternate Trump is a full-on New York liberal. He's fighting like hell for single-payer healthcare, just got two liberal justices appointed to the SCOTUS (who are most likely going to finally provide equal rights to LGBT Americans), we never lost net neutrality, and social safety net programs have never been stronger. I'd probably still think alternate reality Trump is an awful human, but damn it - my political wishes are getting granted, so I'd be willing to overlook his numerous personality flaws, on election day.

        Now, imagine someone comes along and says you need to vote for a hardcore conservative in 2020, because alternate reality Trump is a morally reprehensible sack of crap. I don't know about you, but I'd probably tell 'em to fuck off.

        • except overturning Roe v Wade.

          Apart from that, he's ballooned the deficit, kept us in the middle east, reneged on his promise of Universal Healthcare (yes, go back and check, he ran on Universal Heathcare) passed all the major provisions of the TPP, threw the coal minors under the bus, etc, etc.

          He hasn't done any good to the economy either. 44% of Americans make under $18k/yr. 60-70% live paycheck to paycheck (depending on if you consider $1000 in the bank as "not paycheck to paycheck). 33% of Ameri
        • by DRJlaw ( 946416 )

          Now, imagine someone comes along and says you need to vote for a hardcore conservative in 2020, because alternate reality Trump is a morally reprehensible sack of crap. I don't know about you, but I'd probably tell 'em to fuck off.

          I'd vote for a different Democrat in a primary. Then I'd vote for the next most likely candidate in the general election, even if it was Mitt Romney.

          Because the flip side is precisely what I, a registered Republican since I could vote, did in 2016. Then I voted for a Democrat re

          • any strong opinions.

            Look, we're way, way, _way_ past bipartisanship. You're kidding yourself if you think the GOP is anything more than the party of Corporate Oligarchy. Give me an issue that matters to you and I can explain why the GOP ignores it and does the opposite in service of the oligarchy.

            As for the Democrats, well you've got the Third Way Clintonian Democrats. When I meet somebody who says "I vote Democrat sometimes and Republican other, I'm an independent" that's who I find they vote for.
            • by DRJlaw ( 946416 )

              I guess my point is, you like all "independent voters" who claim to "vote the issues" aren't. Unless your issues are in line with the Corporate Oligarchy. And, well, I'm calling you out. You personally.

              I could debate this with you, but why bother. You've made universal judgments that demonstrate that you can't be taken seriously, and I'll vote the way that I want to whether you approve or not. Welcome to democracy.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      The network of fake accounts and fake news sites gives the bullshit a little credibility that helps it spread. People see it being shared by other people and see it is sourced and are more likely to believe it.

      • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
        re "People see it being shared by other people and see it is sourced and are more likely to believe it."
        Thats what freedom looks like in a nation that has freedom of the press and the freedom to publish.
        No need for censorship. No need for the good censor. No need to remove content thats sinful...
        Re "likely to believe it".. thats what freedom is all about...
        No gov, faith, mil, theocracy, monarchy, NGO, think tank... with the political mission to remove sinful content...
        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Are you arguing that Facebook refusing to help foreign actors lie to Americans on a massive, unprecedented scale is undemocratic?

          Are Chinese people even allowed to vote in US elections? Do US rights apply to them?

        • re "People see it being shared by other people and see it is sourced and are more likely to believe it." Thats what freedom looks like in a nation....

          No, that's what Propaganda looks like
          I invite you to look up "Bandwagon effect"

    • Facebook, Twitter Shutter Pro-Trump Network That Used AI To Create Fake People and Push Conspiracies

      Why pay good money for AI systems to do this? You'd think there is a superabundance of humans willing to do push conspiracy Trump related theories for free?

      Where do you think they get the conspiracies?

  • by Strill ( 6019874 ) on Friday December 20, 2019 @06:08PM (#59543052)

    So they say that the photos are generated by AI, managed by people in the US and Vietnam, and claim to be US citizens. Where is the contradiction? Is it against the rules to not use real photos of yourself on facebook and twitter?

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The point is that now, thanks to advances in neural networks, these guys can generate real looking pictures of fake people instead of stealing pictures from internet, which make it harder to prove the account is fake as a reverse search of the picture won't find anything.
      Next step: spreading AI-generated conspiracy theories.

      • by Strill ( 6019874 )

        Even if the photo is fake, how does that in any way prove it's a fake account?

        • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

          by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Alone it doesn't, it's just an interesting thing to note. Instead of stolen profile pics they just generate them now. Used to be easy to do a reverse image search to spot fake accounts, not any more.

          Doubtless Facebook and Twitter use things like common IP addresses, common email domains, only operating during office hours and the like to find accounts that are part of this scheme.

        • The fake photos alone are probably not the only reason Facebook knows they are fake. FB probably subscribes to every commercial customer database in existence in addition to having their own massive database. I bet FB can be pretty darn sure they can figure out who is real when they want to.

        • by DRJlaw ( 946416 )

          Even if the photo is fake, how does that in any way prove it's a fake account?

          Because the photo is fake, ipso facto the account's identity is fake. Use your own photo. If you object to using your own photo, don't use a photo. There is no legitimate purpose to using a fake photo, instead you use a fake photo to assume a false mantle of added legitimacy.

    • One US citizen claiming to be many US citizens would still be fraud. Using other peoples' photos and claiming to be them is identity theft. These two things are against the terms of service for some strange reason.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      It's against the ToS to misrepresent who you are in order to mislead people.

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      yes... thats the freedom to publish... art, cartoons, jokes.. could all be seen as "generated" content...
  • /. is dead for real. Only bots left

    • I resemble that remark ;)
      Meh.../. holds its own. Always has.
  • I also hunger for very high frequencies. ("eat very high frequencies")
    • This hunger for high frequencies could form part of a Turing test.
      Those folks driving around with duff-duff music coming out of their
      cars might be signalling their humanity. (Heaven help us.)

  • He's upset that NATO is rolling up his Russian and Saudi botnets.

    Psst ... we're also doing it with the Chinese ones, IMPOTUS.

    All your base are belong to US.

  • I'm curious (Score:4, Interesting)

    by t4eXanadu ( 143668 ) on Friday December 20, 2019 @10:04PM (#59543598)

    As to why conspiracies and actual fake news is so prevelent among conservative-leaning publications and social media. Is this true, or just my perception vis a vis media reporting? Are there any academic publications/research that has studies this as a growing trend? I'd like to know the facts (or at least well-reasoned theories), not just some half-baked opinions on the matter.

    • by OYAHHH ( 322809 )

      Are you so naive as to not understand that "Fake News" is spread abundantly equally among the population, but that Facebook is the arbitrator of what gets pulled down and they are notoriously biased against conservatives?

    • by Bigbutt ( 65939 )

      I’d have to hunt for it but back in 2016 they interviewed a guy who ran several such sites. He tried creating both right and left conspiracy stories. He was finding the right leaning stories would gain traction swiftly and he’d get money but the left leaning ones wouldn’t and little pay (I think it was all an ad scheme).

      [John]

    • Re:I'm curious (Score:5, Informative)

      by lenski ( 96498 ) on Saturday December 21, 2019 @10:31AM (#59544470)

      Responding to t4eXanadu and supporting Bigbutt post:

      During (what is now early) research into the original ideas of fake news being so successfully weaponized, NPR searched for and found a guy who was doing it for side income and just because he could:

      https://www.npr.org/sections/a... [npr.org]

      That article describes the fake news guy's observations about his side business. Quoting from the article, the third question/answer in the interview transcript:

      When did you notice that fake news does best with Trump supporters?

      Well, this isn't just a Trump-supporter problem. This is a right-wing issue. Sarah Palin's famous blasting of the lamestream media is kind of record and testament to the rise of these kinds of people. The post-fact era is what I would refer to it as. This isn't something that started with Trump. This is something that's been in the works for a while. His whole campaign was this thing of discrediting mainstream media sources, which is one of those dog whistles to his supporters. When we were coming up with headlines it's always kind of about the red meat. Trump really got into the red meat. He knew who his base was. He knew how to feed them a constant diet of this red meat.

      We've tried to do similar things to liberals. It just has never worked, it never takes off. You'll get debunked within the first two comments and then the whole thing just kind of fizzles out.

      • Thanks, I recall reading about this when it first came out. Their comment about trying it with liberals and failing is interesting, and supports my own hunches, but is unforunately anedcotal. Based on a cursory review of articles on google scholar pertaining to the dissemination of fake news, I'm not finding much that looks at the disparity of fake news between different polar political positions.

        In graduate school, I studied order parameter equations. These are equations where changes in some parameter, th

        • by lenski ( 96498 )

          Here is a link copied from one of my comments below, produced by a google search of "Bob Altemeyer The Authoritarians". As far as I can tell he does a credible job of explaining how some of our observations (informally, right wing conformity versus left wing chaos), which are for us anecdotal, connect with measurable phenomena.

          https://www.google.com/url?sa=... [google.com]

          A summary of what prof Altemeyer gets from his research is that the extent to which people value group membership and acceptance is highly variable. A

  • Let's see, so it's Russians, Ukrainians, and now Falun Gong who are supposedly in favor of Trump? What's your scenario for that last one?

    • by lenski ( 96498 )

      My belief is that information warfare is a great way to weaken a society that stands in the way of dictators, autocrats or other shitheads wanting to take that which is not offered and generally behave like the criminals that they tend to be.

      Based on a ton of reading (and admittedly having a nearly pathological hatred of authority), I believe there are "state" actors as well as criminal gangs who would like nothing as much as weakening societies that had a record of at least hesitantly and often inconsisten

  • on Pro-Trump Users "That Used AI To Create Fake People and Push Conspiracies "
    Guess that means all the AI used To Create Anti-Trump "Fake People and Push Conspiracies" is OK!
    Remember, it is not Fake if it is Anti Trump!
    Yup Got It!

    Just my 2 cents ;)
  • ... the conspiracy theory that President Trump was involved in collusion with the Russions?? Or Epstein didn't kill himself?? Or Hillary had a secret email server?? Or JFK was assassinated by the CIA or Castro?

    Who gets to decide when it's no longer a theory and becomes a fact??

    It's only a conspiracy or fake news if it doesn't fit into your ideology.

    At one time, Watergate was only a theory. Monica and Bill was only a theory. It wasn't until those that believed they were true and dug deeper were the facts r

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