Google Experimented on Its Own Employees To Get Them To Eat Healthier (medium.com) 156
This week Medium's tech blog OneZero published a 4,500-word look at Google's "methodical, iterative" and massive "living experiment" on its own employees to see if they can nudge them into making healthier choices when they eat:
The campaign isn't changing just the food itself, but how it's presented. Google's tactics include limiting portion sizes for meat and desserts and redesigning its premises to lead its "users" to choose water and fruit over soda and M&M's. The goal, says Michiel Bakker, Google's director of global workplace programs, is to make the healthy choice the easy choice...
[T]he small changes make big differences. The plates on the buffet line are only eight to 10 inches wide, versus a standard 12 inches, which effectively limits serving sizes. Vegetables always come first on the line, so by the time you get to the meat or the snickerdoodles and chocolate tarts, there's not much space on your plate. "Spa water," bobbing with strawberries or cucumbers or lemons, is everywhere -- and deliberately more accessible than sugary drinks or even bottled water. A burrito at Google weighed in at about 10 ounces -- 60% smaller than the whopping one-pound nine-ounce log filled with similar ingredients that I picked up at a Chipotle near my home in Washington, D.C....
"Early choice architecture focused specifically on the process," said Ravi Dhar, a professor at Yale and the director of the school's Center for Customer Insights, which partners with Google on food research. "You didn't change the set of alternatives, but you rearranged them." So, if the goal was to get people to eat more vegetables, you would make the salad bar the first thing people see in a cafeteria -- hungry people usually grab the first food they see -- and leave it at that. But it turns out that's not enough. You also have to make the vegetables more abundant and more compelling -- and do the opposite for meat.
For example, moving the snacks table 10 feet further from the coffee machine reduced the likelihood of snacking by as much as 23% for men and 17% for women. But "Since then, Google has remade its 1,450 microkitchens. The unhealthy snacks -- now limited for the most part to M&M's and gummy bears -- are well away from the coffee machine, hidden in opaque canisters or in a drawer.
"At the same time, a big bowl of fresh fruit sits alluringly in the center of the counter nearest the coffee machine..."
[T]he small changes make big differences. The plates on the buffet line are only eight to 10 inches wide, versus a standard 12 inches, which effectively limits serving sizes. Vegetables always come first on the line, so by the time you get to the meat or the snickerdoodles and chocolate tarts, there's not much space on your plate. "Spa water," bobbing with strawberries or cucumbers or lemons, is everywhere -- and deliberately more accessible than sugary drinks or even bottled water. A burrito at Google weighed in at about 10 ounces -- 60% smaller than the whopping one-pound nine-ounce log filled with similar ingredients that I picked up at a Chipotle near my home in Washington, D.C....
"Early choice architecture focused specifically on the process," said Ravi Dhar, a professor at Yale and the director of the school's Center for Customer Insights, which partners with Google on food research. "You didn't change the set of alternatives, but you rearranged them." So, if the goal was to get people to eat more vegetables, you would make the salad bar the first thing people see in a cafeteria -- hungry people usually grab the first food they see -- and leave it at that. But it turns out that's not enough. You also have to make the vegetables more abundant and more compelling -- and do the opposite for meat.
For example, moving the snacks table 10 feet further from the coffee machine reduced the likelihood of snacking by as much as 23% for men and 17% for women. But "Since then, Google has remade its 1,450 microkitchens. The unhealthy snacks -- now limited for the most part to M&M's and gummy bears -- are well away from the coffee machine, hidden in opaque canisters or in a drawer.
"At the same time, a big bowl of fresh fruit sits alluringly in the center of the counter nearest the coffee machine..."
I guess the real question is what they are eating (Score:2)
But how accessible the Flavor Aid (aka Kool-Aid) is.
Is this the same group of programmers who are micro-dosing to "focus"?
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Does anyone have a real link to real research supporting or disproving this "estrogen lie"? A real science journal would be preferred - some of us still know how to read and don't need to be spoonfed videos. /snark.
Attention Googlers... (Score:2)
Re: Attention Googlers... (Score:2)
Goes perfectly with a raw vegan pizza! [youtu.be] ;)
Wait-wait-wait ... (Score:5, Funny)
We're talking here about the FREE FOOD the Google is offering their employees.
My last employer was cutting down on the FREE WATER by removing the water fountains from the building to save on the yearly recurring costs of filter replacements.
I would be thrilled if my employer would give me free healthy food and snacks.
Re:Wait-wait-wait ... (Score:4, Insightful)
Not only that but they didn't take away the unhealthy food, they just made it slightly less convenient. I have a hard time summoning any outrage here.
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But I can't reach the Cheesy Poofs!!!
This is genocide! And I'm allergic to metal straws, if you don't give me plastic straws and 64oz servings of Sugardrink I'm going to sue you for discrimination!
The road to hell... (Score:4, Insightful)
...is paved with good intentions.
My gut reaction to this was discomfort. I don't like the idea of being manipulated even when it's for my own benefit (ask my wife).
But at least with my wife, I know her priorities are mine: our kids, our collective well-being, etc. I can accept manipulation on those terms, from someone I've been with for 35 years. I trust her with everything, including me.
I will NOT concede that to a goddamned government. I absolutely will not accept that from a cadre of non-elected fucks whose sole 'qualification' is their certainty that they are smarter than everyone else.
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Bwahahaha! I cannot believe that you wrote that with a straight face. You, my friend, are a master.
Trying to make us believe that you're immune from paying taxes (government manipulation through credits and differential rates), media (non-elected 'fucks' advertising to you), and commerce (shopping, the v
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Definitely.
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My gut reaction to this was discomfort.
Sedentary people with poor eating habits are driving up healthcare costs. I say treat 'em like the big babies they are-- hide their free candy.
Re: The road to hell... (Score:2)
Instead of doing that, how about :: I cannot in good conscience, put out free foods that have more artificial chemicals than they do nutrients. I dont care if someone consumes them, only that I contributed to it. Therefore these items will only be available in the vending machines. Instead we will stock the break room with assorted fresh fruit, nuts, and carrot sticks ::
That comes across a lot a lot better than a contrived goal of being a nagging nanny like Bloomberg.
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Yes. When I'm paying your bills I have a say in your life.
Also, you seem to be the one calling it "disgusting fat", not anyone else has said that. I mean, it is gross but we're at least polite enough not to call it disgusting.
Simple solution (Score:2)
Don't eat their free food.
Re: The road to hell... (Score:2)
The food is put on display by someone. Whoever does this makes you consume the products based on their agenda. Google just tries to present the products with health in mind.
You realize the selection is already a forced choice upon you? If M&Mâ(TM)s are on bottom shelf that is reduction on their appeal. There is no way to make any display without skewing your subconsious mind towards something. Maybe you saw Snickers ad during superbowl and now you have increased chance of consuming that chocolate b
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The food is put on display by someone. Whoever does this makes you consume the products based on their agenda.
Words, they're what's for dinner.
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If you can see the "road to hell" in this story, you are experiencing a mental health emergency. Please see your doctor.
Google is not the government. Take your medication.
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So it's better to be controlled by people who have been elected?
Not unusual (Score:5, Interesting)
Large companies do a lot of this type of optimization. A guy I work with used to manage a call center. He told me they ran tests changing the interior color of bathroom stalls, and found that some colors were conducive to having employees spend less time in the bathroom.
Hell, this goes all the way back to Taylor's 'Principles of Scientific Management ' from 1911.
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I hear that blue lights work well.
forcing THEIR ideas (Score:2)
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Because you're forced to stuff all food within reach into your cavernous maw, and you're incapable of bending over to reach the bottom shelf.
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Onto their workers.
Every worker in every job where they aren't completely self employed has "ideas forced" upon them. Hell I don't like the colour of the walls in my building. MUH FREEDOMS!!!!111oneoneone.
Your comment makes you look like an idiot.
I brought candy into work (Score:2)
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I would take fruit over candy any day. Especially blueberries or sour cherries - can eat a kilo or two of them in one setting.
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A kilo of sugar (fruit is mostly sugar) is also probably the best option.
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Fruits are actually mostly fibers and water. And pure sugar doesn't taste very well.
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Yes, it is also used in Northern Germany to sweeten the quite strong black tea they drink. The only difference to the American rock candy is that it is uncoloured and usually unrefined sugar.
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You realise that fruit has fibre in it, and this mitigates the fructose content in fruit by slowing its absorption into the bloodstream.
And since you realise this, I can assume your comment was tongue in cheek.
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What a money waster you are, you can buy a bag of sugar for a lot less.
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But it tastes better if you add a little bit of cocoa powder to it---so, why not buy the ones that are pre-made that way?
Tubs of lard (or vegetable shortening) is probably "most efficient" calories-to-money wise, but it doesn't taste all that good by itself.
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You can buy a bar of 100% chocolate for $2, just grate some onto your sugar.
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If $0.30 is the difference between you eating healthy and you eating unhealthy, you need to get a better job.
Bring a piece of fruit to work each day and eat it. Stop trying to justify your unhealthy snacking.
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instead of fruit because candy keeps forever and fruit goes bad after a few days.
I simply eat the food I bring to work rather than attempt a long term storage experiment, but you do you man. You think fruit is expensive, wait until you see the cost of health complications.
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Apples can keep for a month if they're fresh when you bought it. They're super cheap. And if you think that's not enough calories, go buy some lard ($0.35 per 2,000 calories) and eat it with the apple. Lard keeps for 4-6 months. Both apples and lard will fill you up and you won't feel like eating a huge lunch or dinner. Maybe even skip one of them altogether. Save money and the waistline.
Mindless tech hate.. (Score:3)
When did SlashDot become twitter.com, full of knobs just spending all day finding things to hate on Big Tech about?
This article is fucking stupid and whoever posted it should be embarrassed, acting like it's similar to how the US government 'experimented on' the Tuskegee airmen or some shit.
It's fucking risible. Oh no, they 'experimented on' their employees, they are real Frankensteins! I better read more! OMG they change portion sizes and ordering of the food in their cafe, those fucking inhuman monsters!!! My God, someone STOP THEM!!!!!
Its not the food type. (Score:2)
Nowhere do I read about a nutrient deficiency. People aren't dying from that, nor even suffering to any great extent. Why is then that the focus for the real issue(obesity) is rarely about kcal? Even in this experiment, they only dropped the plate sizes. They didn't do jack shit about telling people their TDEE nor what their healthy BMI range is.
I don't get it. Weight loss is simple CICO. Not to confuse simple with easy. But its still dead simple. And not one bit of it has to come from exercise either.
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they only dropped the plate sizes
No, they also made it more likely that less calorifically dense foods would fill those plates first, leaving less room for the higher calorie options.
Less food per plate and less calories per plate of food means that they are indeed addressing 'kcal'.
What's TDEE anyway? You could tell me my TDEE and it would mean fuck all because I don't know the term.
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Total daily energy expenditure. If you know this value, and you well should, you can calculate against it. Considering everything else your body handles an excess of automatically, its rather unusual this value is so secretive.
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It's not secretive, it's just no fucking use at all.
I don't weigh my food before eating it, I don't go through every label on the packaging adding up calorific values, I don't track number of cups of coffee I drink. My daily intake is thus at best approximate and so my energy expenditure is pretty irrelevant.
Maybe you measure your life down to the individual joule but the rest of the planet have better things to do with their day.
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Do you want some sort of award for being irresponsible? I dont understand
Experimented on (Score:2)
I'm imaging some secret room where they strap employees down to tables and force feed them vegetables until they like them. It's right at home with their new motto, "Be evil".
Employer "manipulation" very different from govt. (Score:2)
Like someone already commented here ... I get really angry when I find out my government is mandating changes like this. Should be my body and my choice what foods or drinks I decide to put in it. (I don't want to find out someone like a Bloomberg outlawed my decision to buy a large soda, for example.)
When an employer does this kind of "experimentation" -- it's really nothing more than what you encounter when interacting with businesses all day long. Go into any shopping mall, for example, and you're being
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Bad snack selection (Score:4, Insightful)
For example, moving the snacks table 10 feet further from the coffee machine reduced the likelihood of snacking by as much as 23% for men and 17% for women. But "Since then, Google has remade its 1,450 microkitchens. The unhealthy snacks -- now limited for the most part to M&M's and gummy bears -- are well away from the coffee machine, hidden in opaque canisters or in a drawer.
I mean if you are only going to have to shitty snacks like those, more people aren't going to eat them.
Re:Maybe first they should get a clue themselves! (Score:5, Insightful)
Relax. It's not as bad as the summary makes it sound.
A Google, the food is free, it's good, and you can go back to the cafeteria as many times as you want.
This free unlimited food is really the underlying problem.
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> This free unlimited food is really the underlying problem.
Sounds like an experiment in self-control.
Re:Maybe first they should get a clue themselves! (Score:5, Informative)
As someone who used to work at Google, you're correct in theory but wrong in fact. "Unlimited food" but only within the hours designated for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. You typically sit with friends/workmates and chat. My coworkers and I would rarely go for seconds since there was a line, and you learn fairly quickly how much food you want to dish up at the cafeterias.
Scarcity affects many people by encouraging gorging to maximize buying power. By making the food and snacks complimentary, it removes the incentive to fill up "since you paid the $15 anyway".
Then there are the gyms and other exercise programs. Also (in Mountain View) folks tend to get from building to building with the famous G Bikes rather than driving or taking the shuttle.
The life lessons you take from your daily life often don't apply to large companies like Google. They really are their own universe in many ways, both technically and sociologically.
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You heard it here folks, setting price to 0 results in lower demand!
Re:Maybe first they should get a clue themselves! (Score:4, Insightful)
It's also common in science fiction, and referred to as "economy of abundance", where we're much more familiar with "economy of scarcity." Scarcity deeply ingrains certain behaviors, often to our detriment. Overeating is one of them, because something deep inside us things that the abundance of food may be gone tomorrow, and we have to be ready.
We very probably have the goods and total wealth in the world to have an economy of abundance today. It's just that some insanely rich people would be only outrageously rich, in order that everyone could have what they need. I distinguish "need" from "want" here, thinking of enough food, clean water, shelter, clothing, sanitation, and a few others.
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One of my grandfather's used to say 'eat up because you never know when your next meal will be.' That attitude probably contributed to his demise and certainly to the poor quality of life that he had in his last decade (diabetes, amputation).
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One of my grandfathers...
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Overeating is one of them, because something deep inside us things that the abundance of food may be gone tomorrow, and we have to be ready.
I wonder how much is ingrained and how much is learned. When growing up my parents let me and my siblings have any snacks we wanted, whenever. There was no rationing or reserving for "treats" or whatever. This meant that I'd go to someone else's birthday party and see all the other kids gorging themselves meanwhile I'd not be the least bit interested, cause there's always more at home and I'm not bothered right now. (And probably wouldn't bother when at home either.) I grew up largely disinterested in sugar
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People will always figure out a way to impose a class system (even if they have to sell the idea), and people will always figure out a way to politicize
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Works on my cats. They have food permanently available and so no longer treat it as 'must eat everything immediately'.
The vet tells me they're a little overweight but none of them are unhealthily so and their weight has been stable for years.
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This is one of the biggest problems I've encountered with human psychology. Regardless of whether you pay at the counter, or your company provides it "for free", you're still paying for it. If Google provides $15 worth of food per meal per employee, then it's simply paying its employees that much less in salary. Mea
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If Google provides $15 worth of food per meal per employee, then it's simply paying its employees that much less in salary.
In some places that's probably true, but Google has enough profit that they can do both. They pay high salaries to programmers, and they pay for food.
In Silicon Valley, if you move from Google to a company that doesn't have free lunch, you will probably also have a lower salary, also. (There are some exceptions, of course, Apple, for example, pays high salaries but forces their employees to pay for food).
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The rental car actually turned out to be cheaper. The key factor was that many car rental agencies now give you unlimited mileage, meaning you pay the same amount whether you drive the rental just 100 miles or 1000 miles. So you can exploit this to rent a car for long trips for much less than it would cost to use your own car.
You also haven't done enough math. That scheme only works because the in the current rental model, people aren't driving 1000 mile trips, so the people who really are using only 100 miles worth are subsidizing your 1000 mile trips. If everyone is trying to do that, then the rental companies will have to change the fee model or go out of business.
It can still work out in your favor, though.. do the math not on the trip itself, but on the extra maintenance costs of all of the local miles you use in your own v
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rent an ICE car for your long road trips
Great. So now I have to plan my longer trips a week in advance, spend an average of three hours collecting and returning a rental car, pay for a taxi to get me to the rental car place and back home after and drive a car shittier than my own just when I'm doing a longer trip and would like the comfort and conveniences my own car offers?
No.
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This free unlimited food is really the underlying problem.
No, it is a culture problem, especially the "snack culture" in the USA.
If you offer me free beer, I would probably drink one more, but free food ... no way. Why would I? I'm not hungry, why should I eat? Oh, because in your culture you get hungry if sugar level drops, in my culture not (European and Asian culture).
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Don't blame this on snacking. I started snacking and my weight fell.
The only rule I'm following is "calories in < calories out". If snacking prevents me from feeling hungry, I'll eat less at the actual meal. In fact, I can now regularly skip lunch without feeling hungry.
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So google are fully 100% aware of the harm unhealthy food causes, no denying the reality, they know that junk food is bad for you. Yet to server their 'GREED' above all else, they specifically target us with junk food ads, repeatedly, out health a big will fuck you, their profits first. The fully know the impact of advertising, just like the measure the placement of food in cafeteria, they know 100% the harm they cause, they target you on purpose with junk food ads and well fuck your health, their profits f
s/homeostasisy/homeostasis,/ (Score:2)
This would notnhave happemed with a real keyboard.
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Limiting portion sizes? What is this? 80s women's magazines? (Based on 40s knowledge.)
The 80s? As far as I can tell there are still far too many media outlets that keep pushing the same old myths. The low-fat diet fad is not going away anytime soon I'm afraid.
Re: Maybe first they should get a clue themselves! (Score:3)
Why? Limit portion sizes works. When I was in college I was able to lose 30 pounds over three months. Never changed what I ate, just how much I ate. Usually grilled chicken and rice, with salads for lunch. Still had sodas, still had chocolate, etc. And this was after my senior season of football, so I was actually less active than I had been previously.
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I think he's being sarcastic. I know, it's hard to tell, which illustrates the quality of slashdot comments.
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I know, it's hard to tell, which illustrates the quality of slashdot comments.
Don't judge Slashdot by BAReFO0t's responses. I actually think he's some kind of social experiment on all of us. His posts are so consistently stupid to a point which would make even the best trained Trolled blush.
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Eating less (which is what smaller portions achieve) will be good for pretty much everyone regardless of all flavor of the month mumbo-jumbo.
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Meat is expensive, that's why.
Re: Maybe first they should get a clue themselves! (Score:4, Insightful)
Eat less meat is not a mantra to lose weight, it is about cancer and heart diseases and alzheimer etc.
Why you are mixing that up is beyond me.
Eating 1300 calories a day of M&Ms should never be considered equal to 1300 calories of chicken breast. obviously. I'm happy you are not a lost case :D
Re: Maybe first they should get a clue themselves (Score:2)
A diet of grass fed beef has less risk of heart disease than a diet of grains and legumes. They dont feed cows fatty red meat. So how did the cow get so much fatty tissue in its meat? Oh yea. A diet of grains like corn instead of grass. :-)
The hear disease is a blown up veganism bulshit study that deliberately overlooks the bloodwork of people who consume grass fed and free range meat sources that have a much higher omega 3:6 ratio than regular sources. You cant get omega 3 from plant sources. Your body can
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It is literally impossible for everybody who eats meat to switch to 100% grass fed beef, there isn't enough land available on the planet to graze that many cows.
As a great person once said, "What a maroon!"
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So how did the cow get so much fatty tissue in its meat? ... you actually could read that up ...
Because cows can digest stuff like cellulosis, humans can't (except they are 'infected' by bacteria that helps). That means it gets converted into sugar and than fat
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Have you considered that your response might indicate a need to adopt a healthier lifestyle?
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Once again you've proven to us all that you only read one one of any article and then try to make an informed opinion, only to look (as usual) like a complete idiot.
Another worthless post brought to you by BAReFO0t
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I prefer to think about it as being more efficient. :D
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My non-scientific experience is that not being able to see the junk is the bigger influence, not that it's x distance away.
Visual critter hacking.
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If true, the implication then is likely to be that the men have better offices.
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LOL. There is a certain lunar cycle based event in womens lives that make them go out of their way to eat chocolate.
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Yeah, her husband is acting like a werebeast again.
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Nah, the men just loaded up their plates with the snacks and referred to it as an alternative salad.
misleading headline (Score:5, Insightful)
This week Medium's tech blog OneZero published a 4,500-word look at Google's "methodical, iterative" and massive "living experiment" on its own employees to see if they can nudge them into making healthier choices
The headline is seriously misleading. Look, every aspect of a workplace can be considered an "experiment on the employees. Whether a workplace has cubicles or offices or an open plan is an "experiment". Instituting an open-door plan for managers is an "experiment". Everything can be called an "experiment."
The big experiment on the employees by Google was giving their employees high-quality free food as an inducement to keep them on site and happy. The part about "make the healthier foods more prominent, and make sure they're actually good" isn't really an "experiment," it's just common sense.
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The article has a very interesting perspective. Providing employees with endless supplies highly processed junk food and sugary soda pops is the control to this experience "on the employees."
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The moment you start tracking data and running analyses on it, it becomes a de facto psychology/social science experiment that you should clear through some sort of ethics review board (you can't experiment on human beings based on some two-bit manager's whim).
But of course, Google of all people wouldn't understand that. At some point, they are going to have a class-action suit against them and finally understand why these formalities are important.
Re: misleading headline (Score:3, Interesting)
So, supermarkets that choose to put the canned tomatoes on the shelf lower to see if that leads to more sales need to clear that through an ethics board?
No.
This is just rearranging things that are available and observing the results. It's nowhere near invasive or disruptive enougb enough to warrant formal human experiment rules.
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The big experiment on the employees by Google was giving their employees high-quality free food as an inducement to keep them on site and happy.
I remember the first time I visited a friend at Google for lunch about ten years ago. The food quality was decent but not overly remarkable. The offerings included stuff like wheat grass drinks and other items that I wouldn't normally find in the restaurants that I normally go to.
However, the one observation during my trip that truly impressed me was how the eating area was crowded at noon and completely empty before 1pm. I asked my friend about this weird phenomenon, and he said that people at Google en
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But the snacks were available
Available? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.
That’s the snacks department.
With a flashlight.
Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.
So had the stairs.
But look, you found the snacks, didn’t you?
Yes, yes I did. They were in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard."
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politi... [nbcnews.com]
To be honest, there comes a time every morning when Man Eating Tiger sounds like the best option. It's around 10:30am.
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AND they hid the snacks. Like I'm not going to find those M&Ms behind the door marked, Man Eating Tiger.
Which means, if you find them, nobody will bother you while you eat them all.
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Exit was only through door 7. All other rooms contained man-eating tigers.
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Did no one think to measure zers?
They tried but the scale broke.
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It's perfectly politically correct to say that men and women behave differently, just as long as you attribute the difference to cultural brainwashing.
...the interesting thing is, as far as we can tell, the vast majority of the reason men and women behave differently actually is due to cultural conditioning, much of it done to children being treated differently when they were to young to even remember it. It has yet to be really determined how much behavioral difference is actually due to genetics-- if an
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The heart of the problem is deciding that an entire group, including all its members, is "inferior" because of smallish differences in group-level tendencies.
It seems like both "right" and "left" commit this error with roughly equal, depressing frequency. They just like to attribute their moralizing to different ultimate causes.
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You do know that coffee beans have 0% sugar, which means that water passed through ground coffee beans has 0% sugar too.
If your coffee is sugar-laden then that's an intentional choice you're making. Don't assume that the rest of us have made it too.