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VMware Embraces Kubernetes in Its Biggest Product Blitz in a Decade (siliconangle.com) 27

Posted by msmash from the moving-forward dept.
Hailing it as its most significant update to its vSphere virtualization manager in a decade, VMware today is overhauling its portfolio of products to include native support of the Kubernetes orchestration manager for software containers along with a host of new tools for shifting and managing applications across multiple on-premises and cloud infrastructure stacks. From a report: The announcement continues VMware's multiyear odyssey from a supplier of virtualization software for on-premises data centers to an enabler of cloud migration and multicloud management. It also showcases the rapid integration of several acquisitions the company made last year. VMware was once seen as a prime potential victim of containers, which are portable and self-contained software environments bundled with applications, but it has responded by embracing the technology and is now building the red-hot Kubernetes manager into its flagship platform. "In the early days of virtualization VMware was a layer that lived across multiple environments; they're looking now to do the same in the cloud," Stu Miniman, senior analyst at Wikibon, a sister research firm to SiliconANGLE, said.
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  • VMWare has gotten too expensive for me. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @11:36AM (#59815166)

    What VMWare has done is figured out how much it cost to run such systems on physical servers, and priced themselves a few percentage points cheaper.
    It reminds me of the time a contractor gave me quote to update my basement. He showed me how much it would raise the value of my home, and gave me a quote for a thousand dollars less.

    Doing it yourself (or using free/cheaper alternatives in VMWare case) isn't free or excessively cheaper after you account for your time and effort. However if you price yourself so close to the benefit value, alternate methods may be more affordable overall.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by ixidor ( 996844 )
      And i wish there were a real free-for-home-use version. yes yes i know about the stripped license you can run at home, and vmug.

      Both have limitations.

      Compare to citrix, proxmox or nutanix all have community editions with little or no limitations.

      Think about MS from the win 9x - windows xp days, everyone had a key that floated around and were able to load it at home without to much trouble. While not technically free, its effectively the same thing. It part of why windows blew up. go look at Beos fo

      • While ease of piracy probably help Win 9x continue on.
        But before that we had MSDOS and the IBM Compatibles.

        In the 1980's most Computers were really video game systems, that would happen to do some productivity options (Enough for kids to convince their parents that they need it for school). The IBM PC was something that Adults would buy for themselves, or be given to from work so they can do their work from home. However during this time we Had a lot of different systems all mostly incompatible with each o

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by dfghjk ( 711126 )

        "go look at Beos form the same time frame, or amiga, both i think were technically superior."

        LOL, just don't look too hard.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Zak3056 ( 69287 )

      They also externalize pretty much all new features into new products. Aside from bug fixes, and bumps to vCPU and RAM counts, and making existing features work a little better (vmotion and drs improvements in this one, apparently) vSphere hasn't had much in the way of feature development in the better part of a decade.

      Case in point: after pushing "first class containers are the future of vsphere" for the last few years, the new Kubernates features are not in vsphere at all, they're in Cloud Foundation (whi

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Tailhook ( 98486 )

      He showed me how much it would raise the value of my home, and gave me a quote for a thousand dollars less.

      That's actually about how it's supposed to work.

      If there were a huge delta between the cost and the value of remodeling then everyone would have immaculate, up to date bathrooms at all times.

      • You make it sound like a bad thing?

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by Tailhook ( 98486 )

          There is no good or bad involved.

          If everyone had fabulous bathrooms the value of fabulous bathrooms would drop and you'd be doe-eyed about the price of some new thing you can't afford.

    • Comment removed based on user account deletion

  • Containers (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Doesn't anything get statically compiled anymore? I know you need a dozen libraries and abstractions to build Hello World now but why such a level of complexity?

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Because Web Scale(tm) means you need to be able to deploy a million servers running your latest version of Hello World (and all it's dependencies) and retire the old ones without interrupting anyone's session.
    • How else are you going to have an integrated load balancer, auto-scaler, etc out of the box?

  • What is the use case? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Tuesday March 10, 2020 @01:14PM (#59815580) Journal
    What is the use case of vmware now? There are already free products that allow me to run Windows in a VM. Containers work fine for website deploys. AWS has servers for $5 a month now. So what is the point of paying VMWare for anything?

    • I used VirtualBox for a while but it was dead slow compared to VMWare.

    • It's for corporate datacenters. Get a big box for ~1GB RAM and run tens or hundreds of VMS on it with 4-32 GB.
      • that was 1TB, not 1GB
      • Why would you want to do that? What would be on the VMs?
        • I ran applications and services in such VMs and did not have to worry about port collisions or resource starvation. I now run a bunch of different apps and services all on one physical server. We fixed port collision last Friday. A host out of memory this morning, still not sure which app caused that.

        • You can rent them to smallish companies who want a remote work solution that is simple and closely mimics their existing desktop infrastructure, with minimal license ambiguity. Typically something like a middling-sized windows domain with a terminal server, DCs, exchange server, maybe an application server or two. This is straightforward to cost out in a predictable way with a few VMs and easy to isolate its virtual network layer from other clients on the same physical box.

          A lot of companies, especially sm

        • Technical debt. VMwareâ(TM)s model is that it allows you to forklift old underutilized physical server environments onto an overprovisioned system without doing the hard work of refactoring and redesigning. The whole OS is stateful and you donâ(TM)t have to worry about packaging or determining where your data paths are. Cutting these corners is appealing because short-term it delivers services faster and cheaper than reengineering well-defined and maintainable applications does.
  • Doesn't this overlap with their thinstall/thinapp product?

  • what about ceph / gluster / ect software? and no I don't want an iscsi overlay on top of it.

  • They were showing this off at Jenkins World / DevOps World 2018 at their vendor booth when I was there. They said they were only rolling it out to select customers at that time. A little to late though, we already decided to go with OpenShift in Azure. So they missed their shot. We are a big VMWare/VSphere shop...

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