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Google Sister-Company's Coronavirus Website Rolls Out To Confusion 104

A website intended to facilitate nationwide testing for coronavirus that was promoted by President Trump in a news conference on Friday quickly reached capacity when it went live in a small pilot project late on Sunday night. The New York Times reports: The website, created by Verily, a life sciences unit of Google's parent company, Alphabet, fell far short of the wide-ranging capabilities administration officials described on Friday. In its initial rollout, it was meant to point people to testing locations in two San Francisco Bay Area counties. It ran into two issues: First, it was telling people with symptoms of the virus that they were not eligible for the screening program. And second, they were asked to create an account with Google or log in to an existing Google account and sign an authorization form. Still, within a few hours of launching, Verily said it could not schedule any more appointments at the time because it had reached capacity.
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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @05:17AM (#59839542)
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    • Same in UK. You can't just walk into surgery and demand a test. There's limited capacity everywhere.
      • Idiots are flooding into A&Es all over the country when they have the merest inkling that they might be infected and demanding to be tested and are being told, sometimes in no uncertain terms, to bugger off as they aren't presenting with symptoms, but are actually potentially compromising actual emergencies and wards. This is partly because GP surgeries are restricting access / closing their doors for precisely the same stupid reason.

    • What's the point of testing for a virus? It's not like there's a cure for ANY virus. Feel sick? Go home and go to bed. Can't breath and your oxygen levels are dropping, hospital. Coronavirus, H1N1, flu, cold, what's the difference?

      OMG I have the RHINOVIRUS!!!!!!11!

      • by Synonymous Cowered ( 6159202 ) on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @06:07AM (#59839628)
        Because if you are confirmed to have the virus. Then people you came into contact with can then isolate themselves to prevent them spreading it before their symptoms show up. Not everyone would, but many people been doing that, proactively isolating. But people aren't going to do it because someone they had contact with had a bad cold or some other minor illness.
        • Then people you came into contact with can then isolate themselves to prevent them spreading it before their symptoms show up. Not everyone would, but many people been doing that, proactively isolating. But people aren't going to do it because someone they had contact with had a bad cold or some other minor illness.

          Maybe they should. Somebody coughed on my 75 year old mother a couple years ago and she died.

        • by RedK ( 112790 )
          Which applies to any virus.
        • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

          About 30% with the virus show few symptoms and will spread it everywhere they go. The testing is all about looking like they are doing something after they have completely fucked up emergency services through mindless greed and cost cutting to fund tax cuts for the richest. Now when those services are needed they are missing, so instead mindless games like testing scam, make it look like you are doing something, when you are doing nothing at all.

          The losses to the economy driven by cutting back emergency ser

          • by HiThere ( 15173 )

            Some testing is about looking like they are doing something, but more serious testing is vital for questions like "Is this person whose job involves meeting lots of people safe to have in that position?" Unfortunately, testing once doesn't answer that question two days from then.

            Testing at the existing restricted levels is valuable for deciding on medical treatment plans. And that's probably it.

            If I read the tea leaves correctly, though, we're going to need a cheap test that everyone takes frequently from

      • by Dixie_Flatline ( 5077 ) <vincent@jan@goh.gmail@com> on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @06:59AM (#59839762) Homepage

        Well, in South Korea, the massive testing has shown that virtually everyone in their 20s or younger is an asymptomatic carrier. It’s because of Korea’s excellent testing that we can make statistical inferences in other countries, but we still don’t know the breadth of the problem.

        Testing means knowledge.

        • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
          South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore did the correct testing. They did not wait while WHO was talking about the correct words to use..
          They understood Communist China was the problem and had allowed wuflu to escape.
          • Communist China has it contained. I'd say it was capitalist Korea - with its much higher infection rate - that dropped the ball.

            • by aitikin ( 909209 )

              Communist China has it contained. I'd say it was capitalist Korea - with its much higher infection rate - that dropped the ball.

              But is that infection rate higher because they can actually test en masse unlike the rest of the world?

            • by HiThere ( 15173 )

              China eventually contained it, but at extreme cost. They *did* drop the ball. But they sure weren't the only ones. Italy may just have had bad luck, as they didn't have much warning, but the US and Britain have done an exceedingly poor job of handling things. Most other countries I don't really know enough about to have an opinion, but my guess is that just about everyone "dropped the ball".

      • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
        Re "What's the point of testing for a virus?"
        To find the sick people and get them away from the not sick people.
        Then to track the past weeks of the sick people and test the people who had contact.
        Test them. Isolate the sick.
        Random people wondering around with wuflu spreads more wuflu.
        Few nations have the ICU care for that kind of spread of wuflu.
        ie dont end up like Italy and other failed EU nations.
        • To find the sick people and get them away from the not sick people.

          I don't feel sick. Should I get tested?

          • by HiThere ( 15173 )

            Not with the number of tests that are available.

            Yes, you should, but not at the expense of people who need it more. And if you're not sick, and not elderly that's about half the population.

      • What's the point of testing for a virus?

        For you? Nothing. For the entire rest of society, there are many points. Literally every country is currently determining and enacting national policy based on tests, so the point is to not feed them bad data.

      • OMG I have the RHINOVIRUS!!!!!!11!

        Hey, my stuffed rhinoceros, Oserous, got that last year and felt miserable for two weeks, you insensitive clod. I also had to quarantine him away from all the other stuffed animals while he was sick. Tough times, for sure, but we all got through it.

    • by Vihai ( 668734 ) on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @07:44AM (#59839904) Homepage

      In Italy we don't send people home to die. Please don't spread misinformation. Hospitals are close to be saturated but still able to provide intensive care to who needs it. We are working hard to expand the capacity at the same time. Maybe in the future things will degrade but we're still able to cope.

      • by guruevi ( 827432 )

        In some countries that's true. OP is in Belgium, I have friends and family there. Hospitals were already stretched and rationing care severely before these events, local populations have pointed at Germany, France and Netherlands bussing illegal immigrants into Belgium for the last few decades and lawmakers forcing the OCMW to take care of everyone.

        If you have a system that's already overworked, putting in more load isn't going to do it any good.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          What bullshit is this "bussing illegal immigrants into Belgium"? Where did you hear that, Brietbart or somewhere even worse?

          Or was your "local populations have pointed at" very careful wording to avoid saying it was actually true and it's just some propaganda that certain locals fell for?

      • by HiThere ( 15173 )

        It's true that the report from the medic that I read didn't say they sent them home to die. It said the took the respirator off older people who needed it to use on younger people who needed it...and left the older person to die.

        Possibly this was just one place, but their triage basically said that anyone over 60 would be given oxygen and allowed to die. Because they didn't have as good a chance of surviving as the younger patients who were treated instead.

        I think "sending them home to die" is a short-han

      • Maybe in the future things will degrade but we're still able to cope.

        The mortality rate is currently 6x higher in Italy than the rest of the world for the virus. You certainly don't look like you're coping, though this may be related to data.

      • Hospitals are close to be saturated but still able to provide intensive care to who needs it.

        Sorry, that seems to not be true [reuters.com].

    • Not viable here. (Score:5, Informative)

      by twocows ( 1216842 ) on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @07:45AM (#59839908)

      You call the doctor and you have a cough and a fever? Corona! Go in quarantine for 2 weeks.

      That's not really viable here. Lots of people either don't have paid sick time or (like me) don't have enough to use at the moment (due to prior illness, I have about two hours of sick time accrued right now, I get one hour per 35 hour plus work week). I could get by for two weeks if I had to (it would hurt, I'd probably be working it off for months), but lots of people in the US couldn't, they need a paycheck to survive.

      Shitty labor policies combined with a poor government response are turning this into far bigger of a mess in the US than elsewhere. The decades of greed are catching up all at once. Just be glad that to most healthy people under 70, this merely presents as a nasty flu. This could have happened with any virus, potentially one that's a lot more fatal. This ought to be a wake up call that the systems we have are completely incapable of handing this kind of situation and need to be amended.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        How's that big screen TV and cell phones and wtf ever such that you live hand to mouth and cannot handle 2 weeks without pay.

        Everyone can live slightly below their means and save some, but you know...

        You will get angry at this, but I will get angry in response. The vast majority of hand to mouth people don't need to live that way -- there're always people living that way on less.

        • by HiThere ( 15173 )

          I priced large screen TVs the last time I went searching for a monitor. They're relatively cheap. The cell phone is the expensive one, and it's an on-going cost. But even that's cheap compared to food and rent.

          I'm not angry at you, I just think you're stupid. You *are* right that many people live beyond their means, where you're wrong is in thinking that if they were careful they wouldn't. Sometimes that's true, but often it isn't. And you save a lot more by living in a poorer part of town than you c

        • Speaking for myself: I don't have a TV, I am using a desktop computer from 2011, and I'm using a cheap $120 cell phone with a $10 per month barebones data plan. As mentioned, I'm able to make ends meet for a few weeks if I have to. But I'm also in a position that pays reasonably well because I have marketable skills. And my house payments are cut in 1/3 because I have two roommates. So I have a lot of mitigating factors that other people might not have. For someone living minimum wage paying double, triple
          • And for the curious, I do generally know what my expenses are. My top three expenses over the past six months have been medical/dental ($3000 in uninsured hospital bills, $1000 in insured dental work, so for the last six months that works out to about $600-700 per month), housing ($500/mo, which is relatively cheap), and food ($200/mo a few months ago, I've gotten it much lower over the past couple of months). Gas and vehicle maintenance is up there too, but I'd have to subtract out what I'm expensing to th
      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        I have about two hours of sick time accrued right now, I get one hour per 35 hour plus work week

        I can't believe any developed country can have such a stupid policy. Aside from anything else January and February are the most common times for illness so you need it all then.

        The company you work for is run by complete fucking idiots I'm afraid. You probably knew that. By forcing sick people to infect their coworkers they are just destroying their own business.

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        • It's a state of Michigan policy that came into effect in 2019 (the policy allowed two different methods of implementation, this is the one my employer chose). It's better than the policy Michigan had from 2018 and earlier, which was no policy (no mandated sick PTO), but obviously it's still pretty awful. I agree with your general sentiments.
          • I should add that this implementation does have carryover from the previous year, but that doesn't really help if you don't have anything to carry over, either because you started in January or close to it or because you got sick in December (which is what happened to me).
    • Holy crap on Belgium and Italy! After the savaging the US press gave Trump early on, with 40 cases and 0 deaths, I can't imagine the evisceration being suffered by the Belgium and Italian leaders!

      • by Ogive17 ( 691899 )
        Maybe it's because everyone knew Trump was full of shit the moment he opened his mouth? It's only been in the past few days that he's actually being truthful about the situation. Everything the previous two months was nonsense.
      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Part of the reason Trump got savaged is because 40 cases is definitely a massive under-estimate due to lack of testing, which is his fault.

        His administration got rid of the pandemic response unit in the CDC, following his policy to generally try to defund and decimate that organization. He reacted slowly the pandemic, at first calling it a hoax.

        The Belgian and Italian numbers are so high because they are honest and testing people. Well actually there is another reason, they both tend to assume anyone with f

        • by Zak3056 ( 69287 )

          His administration got rid of the pandemic response unit in the CDC, following his policy to generally try to defund and decimate that organization.

          I can't speak as to the accuracy of your second statement, but the first is false. The eliminated positions were in the national security council (part of the white house staff) and not in any way, shape, or form, part of the CDC or any other medical organization. You can debate the wisdom of this (current circumstances would argue that this was probably not a good idea) but by mischaracterizing what happened, you are part of the "fake news" problem. It is easy to claim that stories are misinformation whe

          • And only one actual related NSC (not CDC) position was eliminated. The others were re-organized as part of a larger NSC re-organization because the NSC had blown up to 4x it's usual size under Obama. Based on the National Biodefense strategy, they became staff for the newly created counterproliferation and biodefense directorate [washingtonpost.com] which took over their previous responsibilities.

    • Otherwise it is just assumed you have it. You call the doctor and you have a cough and a fever? Corona! Go in quarantine for 2 weeks.

      That's the general advice everywhere. Stay home, *self* quarantine, call the ambulance if you end up with a respiratory infection. Note the "self" part. You aren't being carted off to some quarantine facility which incidentally... also happens to be the same advice they would have give you 6 months ago: "stay home, don't go to work".

      The only difference is now they are saying, you may have coronavirus don't come in contact with anyone. This isn't groundbreaking.

  • Seriously, how many of YOU could have rolled this out in a weekend? A few lines of Perl wouldn't cut it.

    • by Errol backfiring ( 1280012 ) on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @06:18AM (#59839660) Journal
      At least the few lines of Perl would not force you to sign in to google.
      • What you are saying doesn't make sense. You can literally use this module to do that... https://metacpan.org/pod/Net::... [metacpan.org]
      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        You don't have to. You can check if you are eligible for the test without logging in. If you are then you need to give them some contact details so you can get the test done, obviously. And you can sign in with Google but you can also just supply an email address and other relevant data like name and D.O.B. and address. The stuff you will have to give to any organization administering these tests.

    • by Mr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @06:19AM (#59839662)
      The problem is not the rolled out site or its features, the problem is it was oversold by the Donald. This is yet another example that you need at least reasonably literate, mature adults to run your government.
      • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

        Healthcare.gov?

        • by orlanz ( 882574 )

          That was actually successful by most standards. Keep in mind that on top of government buracracy, it was initiated with only support of 2/3s of the stakeholders.
          And 1/3 lost power, so during development and ongoing operations, 2/3s of the stakeholders were looking to tank the project! STILL, the site has provided over 8 million Americans with health insurance that the private sector failed for over a decade. And the icing, the federal site worked better than most of the local smaller state level

      • Uh huh. That's why we need people like Barack telling us how wonderful Solyndra is (was) [c-span.org]. /sarcasm

        Yeah, Trump doesn't think enough before he speaks. But this is not some catastrophic blunder. Nor would any president be too slow to trust a web site produced by a major company like Alphabet--whether right or wrong.

        • But this is not some catastrophic blunder.

          No, it isn't, but even by itself, it creates unnecessary and avoidable confusion in a situation that is already a bit too exciting. So maybe a modicum of maturity and preparation would have been better. As a part of the track record, well, it kinda adds emphasis to my original point.

      • by rho ( 6063 )

        Good lord, what is this unbearable trend to make everything about Trump?

        TBH, as much as today's Google annoys and infuriates me, if they were building a goddamn web service I would assume that it would work at fucking Google scale.

        • Good lord, what is this unbearable trend to make everything about Trump?

          How is this not about Trump [wired.com], when the news was literally generated by Trump himself annoucing a service that does not exist?

          if they were building a goddamn web service I would assume

          TBH, I still assume that people on /. have some basic functional literacy and ability to use the "information superhighway" to inform themselves before commenting on an issue. And I find I am wrong every single time.

        • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 )

          Good lord, what is this unbearable trend to make everything about Trump?

          Because Trump himself said (on a Saturday) Google had 1700 programmers working on a nationwide website that would tell you if you were sick and direct you to testing sites and that it would be available the following Monday. And almost none of that was accurate.

        • Because Trump didn’t exactly tell the whole truth about it. Many of his statements are half-truths which his supporters somehow ignore. It is true that Google was working on something. What isn’t true is Trump’s claim that all 1700 of Google’s employees were working on it. Google has always said they were doing a small pilot.
          • He (or whoever told him) obviously misunderstood the actual statement, which is that 1700 employees at Google had volunteered to help build the site. Which isn't exactly the same as they are helping to build it, but it's not so far away as to not be something which could be lost in a game of telephone when information like that is casually passed on from person to person.

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      How to fit it in with the optics of the brand.
    • Google's supposedly had 1,700 engineers on this. Somebody's phoning it in...

      • No Trump claims Google had 1700 employees on it. Google has always said this was a small pilot. Again, don’t listen to what Trump claims.
        • Oh, so Google is being lame. No surprise there.

          Clearly, we then need to -make- it be 1,700.

          • No Trump again makes claims which are not true [factcheck.org]. Why are holding Google to what Trump said and claims that they have denied? That’s like saying you said you’ve give someone your car when you in reality you said that you would give them a lift.
            • The point being, 1,700 is the number that -should be-, at least relatively speaking. You want slowdown or failure on containing coronavirus as long as it makes Trump look bad, apparently.

        • Google also said 1700 employees had volunteered to work on the pilot. Obviously, they didn't take all the volunteers, but it's easy to see how that statement could morph into the other after being passed through a few people.

  • It exists to discourage you from getting any services.

  • You donâ(TM)t say. Because I could swear thatâ(TM)s what a âoesmall pilotâ is supposed to be. Fuck Slashdot has gone full blown TDS because of their Bernie Bro editors.

    • by Megol ( 3135005 )

      They at least understand not to use Unishit on a site not supporting it.

      • by RedK ( 112790 )

        Blame apple products. Iâ(TM)m not getting up to use a PC for this crappy site.

    • I'd be amazed Trumptards are literate except I remember the Nazi were the most literate, best educated and one of the most "enlightened" before they were suckered into an evil cult. If you can't see the patterns, you either don't know history or are too slow to make the connections. Braking them free from their cult will involve some force, reason won't work.

      The irony and contradiction knows no limits for actually deranged(crazy) people - if you've had to live with somebody who actually was severely mentall

  • by oldgraybeard ( 2939809 ) on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @07:02AM (#59839774)
    empty suit? I mean come on, they are said to be the best of the best with an unlimited budget and resources. And they roll out a clown show.

    Very disappointing for Google as an organization and for it's personal.

    Just my 2 cents ;)
    • by Hodr ( 219920 )

      No. No. This isn't google. Despite the fact that you need to have a google account to access, and it's developed by people who previously sat (before being ordered to telework) in a building with the word Google out front, this is NOT google.

    • Don't worry; they'll make up for it. They will send their self driving cars to your home, and the familiar voice will ask for your name. It will inform you of the nearest testing center, but the automobile is already running a breathalyzer during the conversation. As you head out, it will decide a more suitable destination for you: testing center, hospital, or just lock you inside in the new self- quarantine mode.

    • thanks.https://tabanmusic.com
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Are you surprised that Trump exaggerated?

      When it comes to medical stuff of course they are going to take it slow and careful. The potential for malpractice lawsuits is huge.

  • 1700! (Score:5, Funny)

    by sad_ ( 7868 ) on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @07:22AM (#59839820) Homepage

    This is what a website build by 1,700 google employees gets you!
    No wonder Google needs to keep retiring their apps, they simple don't have the manpower to maintain them.

    • Except only Trump is claiming that 1700 employees were working on it. Google has repeatedly corrected Trump in news sources that it is a small pilot. This is why you should never listen to what Trump claims.
    • thanks friend. [tabanmusic.com]
    • This is what a website build by 1,700 google employees gets you! No wonder Google needs to keep retiring their apps, they simple don't have the manpower to maintain them.

      Verily only has ~1000 employees, and they certainly weren't all working on this. I'll leave the origin of the discrepancy as an exercise for the reader.

      • Assuming it isn't just a complete ass-pull (that's what I'd bet on, but assuming we're excluding that), I wouldn't be surprised if it were something like a project with 1,700 man hours budgeted to it turned into 1,700 people working on it.
        • Google is the original source for the 1700 number:

          On Thursday Google/Alphabet CEO Sundar Pichai sent out a call for volunteers from Google to help Verily with its COVID-19 project, and received 1700 offers.

          Obviously, someone heard about the 1700 volunteers and then passed it on and someone misunderstood (or it got mangled in a game of telephone) so that it came out as that's how many people were working on it, when they didn't actually have everyone who volunteered actually contribute time.

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