5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled By Coordinated Effort (bloomberg.com) 109
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: A conspiracy theory linking 5G technology to the outbreak of the coronavirus is quickly gaining momentum, with celebrities including actor Woody Harrelson promoting the idea. But the theory is also getting a boost from what some researchers say is a coordinated disinformation campaign. Marc Owen Jones, a researcher at Hamad bin Khalifa University in Qatar, who specializes in online disinformation networks, analyzed 22,000 recent interactions on Twitter mentioning "5G" and "corona," and said he found a large number of accounts displaying what he termed "inauthentic activity." He said the effort bears some hallmarks of a state-backed campaign. "There are very strong indications that some of these accounts are a disinformation operation," Jones said.
Jones said the campaign uses a strategy similar to Russia's Internet Research Agency, which was behind a disinformation campaign during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign. But he said he hasn't yet concluded that Russia, or any other government or organization, is behind the effort. Blackbird.AI, a New York-based company that monitors online disinformation campaigns, said it had in recent weeks identified a surge in the number of social media posts promoting the 5G conspiracy theory. In the previous 24 hours, there had been more than 50,000 posts about the topic on Twitter and Reddit, Naushad UzZaman, the company's chief technology officer and co-founder, said on Wednesday. There has been a "significant uptick in inauthentic amplification" of posts on social media linking 5G to the coronavirus, UzZaman said, indicating that there could be a coordinated campaign and bot accounts involved.
Jones said the campaign uses a strategy similar to Russia's Internet Research Agency, which was behind a disinformation campaign during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign. But he said he hasn't yet concluded that Russia, or any other government or organization, is behind the effort. Blackbird.AI, a New York-based company that monitors online disinformation campaigns, said it had in recent weeks identified a surge in the number of social media posts promoting the 5G conspiracy theory. In the previous 24 hours, there had been more than 50,000 posts about the topic on Twitter and Reddit, Naushad UzZaman, the company's chief technology officer and co-founder, said on Wednesday. There has been a "significant uptick in inauthentic amplification" of posts on social media linking 5G to the coronavirus, UzZaman said, indicating that there could be a coordinated campaign and bot accounts involved.
What would be the point of a state effort? (Score:3, Insightful)
What state to begin with? The only states against 5G would perhaps be a theocracy like Iran. China is a great beneficiary of 5G tech development. Russia is an ally to China. Who would be behind this?
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Re: What would be the point of a state effort? (Score:3)
They are likewise high tech developers, Israel is basically the US ca 1970, the state is minimizing interference with small business and promoting/stimulating high tech development. A lot of the high grade security systems comes from Israel.
Re:What would be the point of a state effort? (Score:5, Insightful)
It probably won't help any states, but it won't hurt them either and it lets them test their disinformation methods at a time when there aren't any important topics to focus on. As we near the US presidential election, for example, the entities pushing 5G+covid theories will shift over to other laughably stupid theories in the US, bringing their gullible audiences over wholesale.
Come on mathletes (Score:3)
5 or 6 countries have 5G... 195 have positive covid-19 cases.
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That would be to sell the fully imported telco products and get as much of that tech accepted and in use all over the USA.
Re "gullible audiences over wholesale" will be the consumers who have to buy the new hardware and use the data product
Getting people all over the USA to feel good about having "accepted" the imported hardware would be the plan..
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I'm sure you're making a point, but I don't understand it. I think you have some assumptions which you are not stating, without which your statement is hard to comprehend.
People are starting to use 5G because it is better than 4G or 3G in many ways. A wider choice of frequencies lets network providers make bandwidth-vs-range tradeoffs. Both providers and consumers like the higher speeds available. Consumer cellular devices tend to be replaced every few years, so most consumers will have 5G-capable devic
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Errr... did you read TFA? It's about an effort to convince people that 5G networks cause/spread COVID-19. That is a disinformation campaign aimed at gullible people. The US has lots of these. For example, one convinced many gullible people (against all evidence) that we had a President who was not a natural-born citizen. One has many gullible people convinced that vaccines (against all evidence) are far more dangerous than the diseases they protect against.
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Do you actually read the responses or are you just a troll?
What disinformation campaign and who is gullible?
This entire topic is about accounts on social media spreading a conspiracy theory that 5G wireless *causes* coronavirus. The "5G = Coronavirus" conspiracy theory is the misinformation, and people who believe that 5G causes coronavirus are the gullible people. It's the same crowd generally who are anti-vaxxers and believe in chemtrails. I actually met someone who believes 5G caused coronavirus and he was also a flat-earther. So they also may be flat
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I disagree on your first point. Woody Harrelson should be sacked from his day job and shunned for promoting this pernicious nonsense that undermines public health efforts during a crisis.
Sow confusion and distrust (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, you can argue it's not likely to be all that successful, but it's super, super cheap to do. We've already got nut jobs attacking cell phone towers. Also, you don't just do 1 of these crack pot schemes. You flood the twitterverse with hundreds of them.
Finally there's the elephant in the room: populations are aging, and aging people suffer age related cognitive decline. The older they get the hard it is for them to judge what's real and what's bullshit. Meaning stuff like this is going to get increasingly effective for the next 20-30 years until the children from the baby boom die off and there are once again more young folk than old folk in the world.
In short it's a cheap, increasingly effective attack vector on your enemies.
Re:Sow confusion and distrust (Score:4, Insightful)
There are people under 30 fully believing this stuff. You think think its the graying brigade that is burning down the towers?
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Stop the excuses, stop the lies. They don't believe it, they just want an excuse to destroy things.
No, but the under 30 set is very, very tiny (Score:2, Insightful)
The real goal is voters. Older people vote. A lot. They're also susceptible to bad information because their ability to tell good information from bad is diminished. The goal is to make them confused and frightened because frightened people make bad decisions. Pressure does not make diamonds.
Re:Sow confusion and distrust (Score:5, Insightful)
"Meaning stuff like this is going to get increasingly effective for the next 20-30 years until the children from the baby boom die off"..
Wrong, a good amount of what you've labeled as baby boomers were educated at the beginning of public availability of network and information distribution systems. They not only have more experience (by age), but a general distrust of any single provider of media or information. Remember, that we were the first "turn on -tune out" generation.
The real issue we have is the generation that grew up on social media and aren't able to sufficiently research the quality or authoritativeness of the news they receive.
If everyone just used America's Finest News Service https://www.theonion.com/ [theonion.com] this would be a non-issue.
It's got absolutely nothing to do with education (Score:2)
We just had a massive baby boom followed by a baby bust. That means old folks out number young 20 to 12 as voters (general population might be less, but remember, they're not targeting non-voters because non-voters don't matter).
The goal is to push those elderly voters into bad decisions brought on by stre
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That means old folks out number young 20 to 12 as voters
Why didn't you say they old outnumbers young 5 to 3?
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"Yeah, you can argue it's not likely to be all that successful, but it's super, super cheap to do. We've already got nut jobs attacking cell phone towers. "
Those idiots don't even know that the virus is 1 mile below the phone towers, they have to dig it out.
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There are a lot of other possibilities. It could be NaturalNews [naturalnews.com] making money the way they know best. It could be fake news groups [cnn.com] trying to make profit by lying. It could be this researcher has found nothing other than bots that retweet celebrities.
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Or it could be people like myself who know that the FCC changed the qualifications for what could be called 5G, 4G, etc. because the telcos couldn't meet the FCC's original expectations. standards should be decided upon according to the technology not the marketing department. It reminds me of the Apple lawsuit where people were angry they were told an iPhone had so much hard drive space only to discover almost 20% of it was for the OS.
Meaning: Being told, "5G is this fast!" when it's really 4G.75.
Re: What would be the point of a state effort? (Score:2)
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No, the judge threw it out. I merely mentioned it because the speed they say it's going to be isn't going to be the speed you get.
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I don't see a theocracy angle here. Theocratic regimes have no particular reason to be against technological advancement, as it brings in money, other than insofar as it facilitates protest. And I don't think additional bandwidth is going to have much of an effect on getting that protest coordination done, things like strong encryption are much more of a threat. Companies providing that would be a more useful target.
Besides, paying lots of money for technology because you hate technology seems counterpro
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Russia may be an enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-ally with China, but China isn't letting Russia in on any Huawei backdoors or other state intelligence level secrets in their 5G equipment. Building up Huawei and getting to the point where it's a major contender for cellular infrastructure and thus an intelligence opportunity was a decades-long, hundreds of billions of dollar investment by the Chinese. They're not giving it away to the Russians.
If anything, delaying is to Russia's advantage so they can maximize th
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There is quite a bit of news [buzzfeednews.com] about their methods of amplification [bbc.co.uk] just take a look here [google.com] for example
Re:What would be the point of a state effort? (Score:5, Insightful)
Russia is an ally to China.
Holy fucking simpleton.
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Both would benefit mightily from blocking 5G development here. You can be sure that these rumors are ruthlessly squashed in Russia and China.
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Both would benefit mightily from blocking 5G development here. You can be sure that these rumors are ruthlessly squashed in Russia and China.
~Chris Mattern
You are unaware of the OP's cause to gloss "beneficiary" with "hold many of the patents to require licensing fees" if implemented with integrity? Without acquaintances in Russia and China, how do know you what is "ruthlessly squashed"?
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Re:What would be the point of a state effort? (Score:5, Interesting)
Whilst I agree it's not necessarily Russia in this case, I'd suspect it could be Iran, or North Korea, Russia isn't out of the picture. You've made a common mistake in your reasoning:
"Russia is an ally to China. Who would be behind this?"
No, no, no. Russia and China are NOT allies. They're merely opponents who see the US as the biggest threat to their goals and so are willing to work together against the US and other Western interests. China is sufficiently powerful to be an independent actor in itself, Russia has, in recent years, often gone running to China for help, at times China has backed Russia (UN vetoes against Western action in the Middle East), at times China has exploited Russia's weakness (China got exploitative bargain basement deals on Russian oil after Western sanctions follow Russia's invasion of Ukraine), and at other times, China has outright rebuffed Russia (it refused to support Russia's actions in Ukraine and agreed it shot down MH17).
Because of this, whilst Russia will try and get China to support it whilst it can, it is also mutually suspicious of it. In 1969 Russia and China entered a shooting war over disagreements on their border, Russia held onto Chinese claimed territory all the way through to 2008 when Russia was sufficiently weak and desperate for China's support that it signed over key concessions on the border to China. China still reports the 1969 war as a Russian aggression much to Russia's offence. You may have noticed that Russia is not a country that likes to be humiliated, and being forced to sign over land to China whilst China continues to blame Russia and claim they lost is obviously not something that sits well with the Russians.
Russia needs China to support it where it can, but it equally realises China doesn't need it. Russia is scared shitless of China leaving it behind as the US has, and has even recognised this in some unusually honest official reports - in a recent report on relative naval strength the Russians realise with the loss of their last aircraft carrier that China is increasingly leaving them in the dust now it even has significantly more naval power than Russia.
Put all this into context and you begin to understand Russia's stance on China - they're not friends, but Russia can't fight China so it has to do what it can to keep it onside, whilst doing what it can subversively to slow the rate that China is leaving it behind. The wider the gulf between China and Russia militarily, politically, and economically, the less China gives a shit about Russia, and the more isolated and irrelevant Russia becomes having burnt all it's other bridges. So it's not outside the realm of possibility that this is exactly the sort of thing Russia would do; it has significant motive to harm China economically, whilst not offending it politically. If Trump is led by Russia, which doesn't seem unlikely given the weird meetings he has with Putin, the contents of which are kept off the public record breaking all protocol including the way discussions are handled with other nations, then this would explain well Trump's focus on China - if Russia can weaken the link between the US and China it fulfills two goals, firstly it drives a wedge between the US and China making it easier for Russia to get China's backing against the US, secondly it harms China economically slowing China's economic and military growth. Encouraging people in a country like the UK, which is one of the few Western countries to accept Huawei kit in it's 5G build to start burning Huawei 5G kit and creating a groundswell of support against Huawei is another way for Russia to drive a wedge between China and the West, push China more towards Russia whilst weakening China sufficiently as to slow it's military growth once more.
So don't rule it out. China and Russia aren't allies. They see each other as useful tools when they need them, and nothing more. In this respect nothing has changed - Russia and China worked together against America in Vietnam, but as soon as the Americans le
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You completely lost me - and probably a lot of other people with 'if Trump is led by Russia'. Which is a shame because you were spot on about things between Russia and China before that. To many people forget that our America's opponents (let's not call them enemies) are not necessarily friends with or allies with each other just because they share opposition to America. Your right about Vietnam as well, how'd that nonsense about Russia leading Trump slip into some otherwise good analysis?
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Want to sell more hardware to people with not much m money per month to spend?
That needs a nice ads and lots of positive news about why to upgrade.
A fully imported hardware network needs to sell in the USA.
Re "maybe Russia"
Tracking every US contractor, worker, mil, gov smartphone in and out of a secret and secure area.. every s
Re:What would be the point of a state effort? (Score:4, Insightful)
The goals aren't always so practical.
A larger goal of these strategies is to cast doubt on something much more fundamental: the notion that objective truth can be found. Disinformation campaings try to cast doubt on enlightenment ideals, and thus take aim at the heart of rational thought, and all that depends on it: trust in science, finding political common ground through fact-based analysis, and so forth.
Well known documentary maker Adam Curtis made a short film on the subject. He coins the term "oh dearism", refering to the feeling these activities try to bring about in citizens. "Oh dear, I don't know what to believe anymore"- a sense of apathy and paralysis.
You can find the video - which I highly recommend - here:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=oh+d... [duckduckgo.com]
If you can't beat them, confuse them.
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What state to begin with? The only states against 5G would perhaps be a theocracy like Iran. China is a great beneficiary of 5G tech development. Russia is an ally to China. Who would be behind this?
It may simply be a calibration and measurement experiment to see how well they can do this and where there is room for improvement. Even villains need to experiment, doing evil competently is not some innate ability.
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If anything, I'd say it would be a trial run. For training purposes, and to recover data about how this spread through the network, which nodes on which networks were most effective at spreading the misinformation, etc. They'd want high-visibility topics for that sort of testing. So it wouldn't *be* the 5G or coronavirus they give a shit about, it's about honing their disinformation networks and skills.
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To answer that, you have to realize that getting people to believe 5G causes coronavirus isn't the objective. It's just the starting point.
The fun really starts when officials point out this isn't true. Now the people who believe are even more sure they are being lied to. Then come the long-suffering experts who are trotted out to explain why the idea is stupid. That makes the believers mad because they hate experts -- they're elitist because they think their opinion is better than yours. Finally social
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What state to begin with? The only states against 5G would perhaps be a theocracy like Iran. China is a great beneficiary of 5G tech development. Russia is an ally to China. Who would be behind this?
You do not GEDDIT. The question is Whose 5G?
Watch RT Americas or dig their internet archive. Vehemently against 5G - health dangers, radiation exposure, etc. Watch RT in Europe or their primary website which is geared mostly towards European audience. NOT A F*CKING WORD. As if you are watching two different channels. Wonder why? I asked myself that question a while back (disclaimer - I stopped building mobile equipment around the 2.5G-3G boundary and I am now involved only with the fixed network side) : h [fagain.co.uk]
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Seems obvious to me - use any method to weaken the target state by creating dissent and further distrust of the government, and also undermine the fight against the coronavirus (why would you stick with social distancing and hygiene measures if you believe 5G is the real cause?).
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Or the US. Stalling 5G adoption would give the US further time to work against Chinese 5G vendors and push their own 5G vendors. The implication being that Chinese hardware is backdoored and spying for China, and US hardware is backdoored and spying for the US.
This theory is supported by the strong push the US has already made to get other counties to use their 5G hardware, instead of Chinese 5G hardware.
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Re:golly (Score:5, Interesting)
It fits the world view. They vote for people who claim to fix all problems known to mankind. Then nothing happens. They find out that their leader does not have the ability to be a dictator and that there's a lot of bureaucracy that slows things down. Therefore it must be a conspiracy against the human race. Never mind that when you look at it closely it doens't make much sense. Of course it doesn't make sense, but no conspiracy theory makes sense when you look at them closely.
Ie, the bureaucracy moves slowly because it has to. Leaders can't rule by decree because they don't have the authority to override existing laws. The new appointed department head has no more ability to change the direction of the organization 180 degrees than the new CEO can do this in a company. Moving slowly is a good thing it prevents the spur of the moment whims of the electorate (ie, mob rule) from creating changes that cannot be easily undone. That's why we have three branches of government, roughly equal though with varying power over time, it ensures no one branch has ultimate authority.
This growth in the conspiracy theory about the deep state also goes hand in hand with the rising power of the presidency over time. They want the president to be able to make anything happen without courts or legislators getting in the way. They fail to see that this slow bureaucracy would actually be on their side when a president from the opposite party takes power. If they want Trump to be able to rule by decree then they should be ready to accept that Biden can also rule by decree; and if they're pissed off that Obama signed too many executive orders then they should be pissed off that Trump is doing the same. There's a shortsightedness here, as if they think that once their side is in charge that it will remain this way for a very long time (which I think was the biggest mistake from Gingrich).
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The Deep State conspiracy theory is the usual explanation for their their guy can't be supreme dictator. They don't that understand democracy isn't winner takes all, it's a process with checks and balances that is supposed to represent the will of ALL the people.
I saw an even better conspiracy theory on Facebook (Score:2)
A friend of a friend was trying to convince my friend that COVID-19 is illustrated in the Voynich Manuscript and that the document discusses the disease and how to cure it.
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I heard that as well. It's right after the chapter explaining COVFEFE.
It's 4G, not 5G (Score:1)
Coronavirus is turning up all kinds of places that don't have 5G... but DO have 4G. We're doomed!
The world is full of stupid people... (Score:2)
1) They don't think/know they are stupid.
2) They vote.
Sorry, no. (Score:2)
The only things 5G hurts are your wallet and your phone's range and battery.
If you think you can get Coronavirus from 5G you're an idiot. Now... you *can* get Coronavirus from your phone *if* an infected person sneezes on or licks your phone and you then stick it in your eye or mouth -- but if you do that, then see the end of the previous sentence.
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Doesn't it also have the ability to also disrupt weather forecasting? (specifically measuring atmospheric water vapor conditions?)
That's it, it's a very well organized conspiracy pushed by the international brotherhood of meteorologists
5G caused CoVID-19? (Score:1, Funny)
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Wait until 6G - airborne Ebola-HIV for everyone!
Wow, that sounds awful! What will 7G bring then?
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Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
Oh wait, we already have that last one...
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According to my book: "Four Norsemen with paperclips".
Even a Zombie stampede can't compete with that!
Who gains if 5G is sidelined / delayed? (Score:3)
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I think we can fairly conclude based on who has been most active in 5G technology, that the target is likely Huawei (thus implicitly China), related companies, or the broader technological advancement of the target country.
A state actor would certainly be able to do large scale short sells of affected companies, as one financial motivation.
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If only there was one specific vendor of 5G hardware that is no longer allowed to sell their products to US and various other western countries. And if that theoretical vendor were in any way sponsored by a nation-state who would stand to profit if the US/West loses in the 5G race ...
H... Hu... i can't think of any.
Re:Who gains if 5G is sidelined / delayed? (Score:5, Insightful)
Someone must have financial motivation to be against 5G - who would that be?
Plausible. I don't know the answer.
The purpose doesn't have to be monetary gain, the purpose could be just to sow discord, further existing divisions.
And who would benefit from driving the wedge deeper?
Wish I knew. Who wants us at each other's throats? Who benefits from *that*?
The motive could be political.
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Stupid idea, not a techie...But would sending information faster make it more difficult to trace the origin?
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Russia does seem to want to gain by causing disruption in the west, even though it seems counterproductive. They don't seem to be doing this to get money, but to make sure they're on the ascendency while the major powers in the west are left squabbling and fighting amongst themselves.
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Someone must have financial motivation to be against 5G - who would that be?
Other countries. Infrastructure is a selling point for various countries. It says something businesses and investors to not provide crappy coverage of new technologies. Plus it also serves as a general disruption / chaos campaign. This may have nothing to do with 5G at all.
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Consumers like the upgrade to a faster service. To be seen with expressive new tech thats fast and so very new. Its fast and new. Shows wealth in the new buying of the new smartphone. Trendy and fashionable. Shows tech buying prowess.
EU governments like not spending as much on telco imports.. good for the EU balance of payments eg acceptance by EU nations. No EU nation blocks. The
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Who would gain from US citizens burning down their own communication infrastructure and then locking themselves out of the latest technology because it was invented in China?
Most of the rest of the world that is competing with the US, that's who.
Don't tell them about the big fusion reactor (Score:3, Funny)
When these people find out that there's a huge fusion reactor just 1 astronomical unit away from earth that bombards the planet with all kinds of radiation for about 12 hours a day, they're really going to go crazy. The government has known about this for many years, and doesn't do anything about it!
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OMG! People are actually getting cancer from inadvertently exposing themselves to this radiation.
And it's not like you can avoid the radiation forever - as soon as you leave any specifically-made shelter that guards against this radiation-type, you're exposed, even in the middle of the day !
Even the children playing outside are getting irradiated !
Won't somebody think of the children !
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Already have it covered. [youtube.com]
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We must blow up the sun. "Think of the children", and all that kind of verbal diarrhea......
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Then the question is whether there is a coordinated conspiracy to promote the idea that there is a coordinated conspiracy promoting the 5G conspiracy ...
Thats exactly what it is.
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Are you saying... it's the Clickbait Conspiracy Cabal again?
He's a conspiracy dickhead (Score:2)
State Actors!? (Score:2)
Woody Harrelson is a deep state government plant?!
https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/05/w... [dnyuz.com]
5G in Africa (Score:2)
The only 5G networks that I have seen on the African continent, are in South Africa. However, COVID-19 seems to be successful all over the African continent. Here a couple of maps to compare where 5G networks are being implemented [worldtimezone.com] and where covid-19 is most predominant. [insider.com] You be the judge. May common sense be with you.
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Imagine if you tracked population density, covid19, and 5g rollouts together -- what story would THAT tell?
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How about one level higher...
The take a map of where the rich folks live, and overlay a map of where Santa Clause brings the best gifts... Now, how many of THOSE folks are in Africa? Are you seeing what I'm saying?
Cool Story, Bro (Score:2)
As if state-sponsored PR had no better ideas (Score:2)
Re:As if state-sponsored PR had no better ideas (Score:4, Insightful)
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Then it's a good test of how gullible people are... If they fall for this then they're going to fall for pretty much anything.
5G Virus Conspiracy Theory Fueled By ... TELECOMS (Score:2)
These telecom companies KNOW that 5G actually and truly causes cancer, corona, stupidity, and loss of Precious Bodily Fluids. So: they are the ones PROMOTING this via overseas actors.
But why on Earth would they do that? Well, it'll be discovered that overseas people are the ones doing this from Russia, China, and Mexico, and it's already known that these states want bad things to happen to us. So it'll be assumed that it's THEM that'
The ultimate troll (Score:1)
This is a fine example at just how easily the public is manipulated.
Today it's 5G towers allegedly causing coronavirus
Tomorrow it's blood libel and $ETHNIC_GROUP must be eliminated.
Wavelength (Score:1)
A human head is about 15-16cms wide. A 4G frequency is 2.4Ghz, which gives it about a 13 cm wavelength, placing the first (and most powerful) harmonic on the other side of the head. Considering inductance, the absorption of the microwave energy increases by four if the device is in contact with the skull. Considering the phone operating system it will increase the power output if the tower tells the phone OS to increase the amplitude to full power exposure at 3 Watts.
5G is sub 6Ghz with a nominal wav
Gujju poetry wala (Score:1)
What happened to Slashdot? (Score:2)
Interesting NYT piece about this 5G-is-bad-for-you (Score:2)
I'm especially impressed by the brazenness of it all - e.g. "If Putin rolls out 5G in Russia, it's good. If anyone else does it, it's DEATH RAYS!". And those damn RT segments are so slickly produced. I really can't blame people for falling for them.
But do note the disclaimer that "Additional documentation is available at the Department of Justice" - I guess because RT is classified as a "foreign ag