Which Linux Desktop Environment is the Best? (tomshardware.com) 205
Tom's Hardware "put five of the most popular desktop environments up against each other in a no-holds-barred, seven-round face-off. We've rated GNOME, KDE, Cinnamon, Awesome and Regolith on a 10-point scale based on Installation, Applications, User Experience, User Documentation, Performance, Extensions and Configurability."
It's a good read, with a detailed and thoughtful 3,700-word analysis, especially about memory performance: When you use the standard desktops, Gnome and KDE, you will likely notice that you are using a lot of memory... If you haven't noticed yet, try running htop in a separate window while you try out your choices. You should see a substantial difference with Awesome, i3 and, if you are elite, dwm. The difference in memory footprint is staggering when you start measuring. GNOME starts with somewhere in the region of 3GB at boot. This can be trimmed down by serious tweaking, but not very much. In comparison, the Awesome window manager weighs in at around 600MB... You can put a lot of eye candy and daemons before you weigh down your system as much as the others...
Getting the advantage comes at a cost, though: you need to learn a few new habits to use Awesome desktop environment.
Among GNOME, KDE, and Cinnamon, the article ultimately calls KDE "the most polished... decorative and versatile of the bunch. This comes at a cost, though." Cinnamon has the best balance between extensions and ease of use, while it is also fast and responsive. At the same time, it is not that heavy on resources. You can also add a wide range of extensions in the shape of widgets that send you ongoing and updated information.
Regolith requires a bit more training, but it does set itself up for you so you can continue as you did with GNOME. Adding extensions and other gadgets is a bit more tricky, however... With Awesome you have to set up and practice to use it! It's easily the hardest in the group to get started with. When you are up and running, Awesome does deliver the most benefits from a resource point of view...
Overall Winner: Cinnamon...because of its strong combination of user experience, performance and customization.
Click through to read reactions and share your own thoughts. (And to see a short list of some of the article's other highlights.)
A few more excerpts from Hot Hardware's analysis:
It's a good read, with a detailed and thoughtful 3,700-word analysis, especially about memory performance: When you use the standard desktops, Gnome and KDE, you will likely notice that you are using a lot of memory... If you haven't noticed yet, try running htop in a separate window while you try out your choices. You should see a substantial difference with Awesome, i3 and, if you are elite, dwm. The difference in memory footprint is staggering when you start measuring. GNOME starts with somewhere in the region of 3GB at boot. This can be trimmed down by serious tweaking, but not very much. In comparison, the Awesome window manager weighs in at around 600MB... You can put a lot of eye candy and daemons before you weigh down your system as much as the others...
Getting the advantage comes at a cost, though: you need to learn a few new habits to use Awesome desktop environment.
Among GNOME, KDE, and Cinnamon, the article ultimately calls KDE "the most polished... decorative and versatile of the bunch. This comes at a cost, though." Cinnamon has the best balance between extensions and ease of use, while it is also fast and responsive. At the same time, it is not that heavy on resources. You can also add a wide range of extensions in the shape of widgets that send you ongoing and updated information.
Regolith requires a bit more training, but it does set itself up for you so you can continue as you did with GNOME. Adding extensions and other gadgets is a bit more tricky, however... With Awesome you have to set up and practice to use it! It's easily the hardest in the group to get started with. When you are up and running, Awesome does deliver the most benefits from a resource point of view...
Overall Winner: Cinnamon...because of its strong combination of user experience, performance and customization.
Click through to read reactions and share your own thoughts. (And to see a short list of some of the article's other highlights.)
- Cinnamon has replaced Gnome packages with its own, making the install small.
- KDE has the most robust extension ecosystem, but GNOME and Cinnamon aren't far behind.
- GNOME has the most through documentation of any Linux desktop environment.
- GNOME has a lot of nice eye candy and its extensions serve you with the weather, mail notifications and, almost anything you need from the internet.
- GNOME, Cinnamon and KDE all score 9 out of 10 for user experience.
- The three largest Linux desktop environments (GNOME, KDE and Cinnamon) all have strong application support.
Gnome 3 is such a heavyweight (Score:4, Informative)
XFCE (Score:5, Interesting)
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None (Score:4, Insightful)
There isn't an absolute best DE. It depends on your personal preferences, way of working, etc.
I personally use one which suits me best but I doesn't mean it's the best.
So stop worrying, try some of them, and just use the one you like.
And also Betteridge's Law says so ;-)
And also also, can we moderate the OP as flamebait?
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There isn't an absolute best DE. It depends on your personal preferences, way of working, etc.
Oi, your logic and common sense is not welcome here.
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*To be fair to that creepy little Eurotwerp, I could never get Bluetooth audio working properly until SystemD came along...
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Emacs (Score:5, Funny)
Though you will probably need to add an editor to make it fully usable.
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Viper, but you knew that.
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Cinnamon (Score:5, Informative)
all of my computers currently uses cinnamon for the desktop. my second choice is KDE. I actually like the look and feel of KDE better than cinnamon and used it on and off over the years but there were some features I just don't like. I used gnome too but never really liked it. Never tried the others.
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Cinnamon is also probably the best at touchscreen only support. But still quite frustrating.
Shhhh! You can't ask a question like that in here! (Score:2)
You trying to start a rumble?
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XFCE (Score:5, Interesting)
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Sometimes I wish Gnome 3 had been called Gnome, the next generation. And that Gnome 2 had continued more or less as is. But, most of the time, I bloody well wish I had moved to XFCE years before.
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>"I used to be a Gnome guy until they forced that menuless fullscreel-only many years ago. Then tried KDE for a day until they copied the idea before I found XFCE and haven't moved since"
Indeed Gnome 3 sucks. I won't ever use it. First thing I did last week on a new CentOS 8.1 installation was to turn off Wayland and install XFCE.
But KDE never forced the "menuless fullscreen" crap. It is what I have used at home for eons and I know it well. I like it fine for a heavyweight desktop. But I use XFCE on
Mate with compiz on Linux mint. (Score:4, Informative)
Mate with compiz on Linux mint. Pretty , comfortable and not too top heavy. Mate on Ubuntu MATE comes close second. No wobbly windows but easy to use presets which give it the look you want. XFCE comes third i guess. You can customize XFCE to death but it is work.
Pure personal preferences of course, Try many and keep the ones you like. :)
Re: Mate with compiz on Linux mint. (Score:2)
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This. Although one VM I was allowed to use at work only had pure Ubuntu "blessed" by the folks distributing the software I needed it to run. So I fired up a Mint live disk and ripped off the dconf entries. Installed Ubuntu, installed teh ubuntu-mate-desktop packages, and imported Mint's dconf settings.
Oh if anyone else needs/wants a reason to hate on Gnome3 (the full screen tablet interface got me), Gnome3 is the package/package set that is responsible for foisting off systemd on the rest of the distribut
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Re: Mate with compiz on Linux mint. (Score:2)
Can you have an aquarium in your desktop cube in kde?
Or can you fuse several windows in one and switch between them by flipping the window upside down?
I also doubt you can make it rain on ypur screen. And then use a wiper.
In all seriousness, I didn't use kde much yet (currently switching to it), but I used compiz fusion a lot. When it comes to animations nothing comes even close to it, and all of them are configurable to infinity. And it supports emerald, which is still hands down the best decorator I've se
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There was a zoom function on Compiz I recall that let you drag a box and zoom in without panning it around by moving the mouse. It was precise, exact, and instant—not just a generic zoom-factors with the + and - keys. A decade ago I'd use it a dozen times an hour to full-screen videos, flash animations and gifs and emoticons when the actual full-screen mode on the Flash applet was choppy. I could show things to people across the room in an instant. Wish I had that back again.
Oh, and of course, I abso
Probaby Enlightment (Score:2, Interesting)
As Pain In Ass grade Linux Zealot in my youth. I use various linux desktops back in day (1998 - 2008)
From my point of view Enlightment is the best linux desktop. It was represeting different aproach than the other much more popular windows clones.
Anyway.
One day after upgrading Ubuntu to new verison and getting sick of the configuring dual montior setup. I gave up Linux Desktop.
More than 12 years I do not have any problem with windows with 2 or more monitors and I'm still not so sure for any Linux distro.
An
Re: Probaby Enlightment (Score:2)
That problem has been solved about 8 years ago.
With xrandr and Xorg's autoconfiguration, it's trivial to do even crazy stuff nowadays. Like a desktop that spans several displays with one of them being an upside down projector with anamorphic pixels and a different DPI, and three being only in green and black and with a custom transform.
The problem back then was Nvidia's and AMDs shitty non-standard multi-head and screen-spanning implementations, caused by a Windows way of thinking, aswell as other people to
Re: Probaby Enlightment (Score:2)
I was also a diehard enlightenment fan in highschool. Ran it on top of slackware 3.4.
What a pain in the ass it was to build too, but worth the effort.
It was just so unique, full animations when starting a session, or when expanding control boxes etc. The only thing i didnt entirely like about the setup was how some of my favorite apps just didn't look natural in the otherwise sureal visual experience. It was even more impressive at the time, because the only other graphical desktops i had used at the tim
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I never used it myself, but one of my co-workers used to use it back in the late 90s. I'd look over and see him with all this eye-candy translucency. Enlightenment was undeniably pretty to look at. I've always preferred minimal distraction for my own desktop. It was like rainbow colored hair. I enjoy seeing that on other people. I enjoy seeing other people who can be productive while using a desktop that makes them look like they're in The Matrix or something.
console (Score:5, Insightful)
I can do everything on 5 virtual terminals
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I can do everything on 5 virtual terminals
That's nothing. I can do everything on just three C-shells.
Re: console (Score:2)
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Lets be real.. you probably cannot enjoy porn the same way at ascii resolutions!
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Their list was ok, but regolith and awesome? (Score:5, Insightful)
I do not understand why they added regolith and awesome to the list. Aren't those actually less commonly used?
I would have expected (not in a particular order):
- KDE
- GNOME
- MATE
- CINAMON
- XFCE4
I encounter people talking about these all the time. Regolith? Haven't heard about it. Awesome? That's not a desktop environment! It's a window manager.
Re: Their list was ok, but regolith and awesome? (Score:2)
Yeah, i was a bit surprised to see those on the list as well. And while i live in a hole, I would have expected gnome, kde and xfce.
That is to say i knew of cinnamon, but just recently heard of mate during discussion on another story poated here. Literally never heard of the other two.
Its cool though, a few more to check out, i think i agree with others posting that all should be encouraged to try different desktop environments out to see what they personally like.
Just my $0.02 (Score:3)
I'm partial to Ubuntu MATE.
I wish... (Score:4, Insightful)
I wish GNUstep/WindowMaker had taken off more. I liked the mac/NeXT model of application v. window management. I also thought the theory of Services being provided between applications was nice, though I never saw much apart from the spell checker try.
GNUstep applications allowed applications to be explicitly designed around it, and WindowMaker did an admirable job of bringing other applications roughly into the fold even though they weren't designed that way.
Unfortunately, it didn't garner enough application support and ultimately other window managers gained passable automatic window grouping by application, which was considered good enough by the masses.
Also ROX Desktop offered a pretty neat approach to application packaging.
Now I go with KDE. It seems to best support a customizable and powerful desktop and embraces the good parts of a compositing window manager. I wish I could have the gnome3 alt-tab (switch application) behavior in addition to the alt-above-tab behavier (switch window in application), but other than that quite pleased.
My 2 cents (Score:2)
I stopped using linux without rolling updates long ago, Arch is my favorite because I never have to reinstall.
LXQT (Score:4, Interesting)
But the way to a finished DE is still rather long, while very promising.
Excellent question (Score:2)
...because we'll finally be able to get a definitive, objective answer to this issue.
All are lacking on Keyboardless TouchScreen device (Score:2)
It's been disappointing trying to find any with decent support for a slate device w/o a keyboard - Dell 7285
Either the on-board keyboard is crap, or it's not at all smart for when a text entry field has been selected. And gestures for right click, middle click, and scrolling are wildly inconsistent.
Windows does a pretty good job at this.
LXDE (Score:3)
I don't need a resource-heavy, fancy DE, so LXDE does well for me. I find KDE and GNOME just annoying to use
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Minimalism pays off ... (Score:2)
I generally favour minimalism (using the minimum possible packages, as long as functionality is not impacted).
KDE was my desktop for over a decade. Then I switched to XFCE, as in Xubuntu.
The few things that are missing are not worth the bloat. I intentionally did not go deep in using KDE applications, so that I have the freedom to switch. Things like contacts, calendar, ...etc.
It is worth the effort of switching. If you already run another Ubuntu distro, you don't even have to re-install. All you need to sw
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If you like minimalism try Elementary OS (or just its DE, Pantheon). I like it because it's one of the few desktop environments that doesn't try to mimic Windows (Mate, KDE, Cinnamon), it doesn't try to reinvent the wheel by turning it into a square (Gnome3), and it doesn't get cluttered with ugliness to make it functional (XFCE, LXDE). It kind of copies OS X but for me that's a feature, not a bug. It's like OS X with more minimalism.
XFCE was my former favorite. I liked how it has an OS X-ish dock and is pr
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Thanks for the tip.
But that way, I am not on Ubuntu's repositories. They have everything I need and are well maintained. Going to another distro will risk delays and such.
Awesome (Score:2)
Awesome. That's what I'm using just now. Because infinite configurability and flexibility. And no icons on desktop.
Can any of them cope with mixed monitor DPI? (Score:3)
I have a laptop with about 100+ DPI and a monitor with about 70 DPI. I found it impossible to use the GUI settings to tell Gnome or KDE that they should scale windows differently depending on which monitor they show.
At least more recent versions allows fractional scaling like 1.25. For the longest time even Ubuntu offered only to scale by 1x or 2x.
I'm sure there is some kinky terminal voodoo to achieve this, but we are talking desktop environment here, and the intended target audience expects the mouse to perform essential configuration.
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Scaling is always a shit show. On my work laptop with a 4k display its funny to watch the cursor shrink as soon as its over a Slack window. Move it out of the window and its normal size again.
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X is not designed to handle different scalings on different monitors. I've set mine up to at least get it right if I switch to a different monitor, so it looks right on my big 4K monitor, a big 1080p monitor, or the tiny 4K built-in screen, dynamically changing the scaling based on the first active monitor. This uses a script that watches for changes and adjusts the scaling, but it can't rescale existing applications, only new windows that are opened after the change.
Another problem is that there are seve
Performance = less RAM usage? Why? (Score:2)
I don't understand. If you are limited by RAM on your machine, sure. But if not - what difference does it make how much RAM is occupied by a DE?
Measuring performance should be about quick response, fast operation of the menus, toolbars, widgets, etc. One way to achieve this it to keep them in RAM. I would gladly trade 3GB of my cheap RAM for a fast DE. Small footprint and fast response is ideal, but of those 2 features I care less about the footprint.
Browsers are also huge RAM guzzlers, but that is
pffft Cinnamon (Score:4, Insightful)
Eye candy and "new features" seem to be that writers fetish.
MATE for the win, mature simple UI without bloat, needless features and eye candy, gets the job done.
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Eye candy and "new features" seem to be that writers fetish.
That is as much of a fetish as the missionary position. The reality is wanting a functional bloat free UI makes you some kind of freak in the computing community.
I wanted to continue this comment with some reference to your ideas being against the IT religion and angering computing Jesus, but I think Stallman agrees with you so the joke wouldn't really work.
Why put them against each other ? (Score:3, Insightful)
You can have your preferred one by default.
And you can give a chance to the other ones when you have time.
And then go back to your preferred one, because it's preferred for a reason
Still using Windowmaker (Score:3)
My work laptop uses Mate, which I think is Gnome 2ish. That's what my wife uses too.
Gnome and KDE seem to be designed for people who want to pretend they're not using Linux for some reason; I've never had any interest in their offerings.
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Fellow windowmaker user here too (since about 0.18). Over the recent years I have tried cinnamon, mate, whatever-ubuntu-used-to-ship-with (and if we go back further, fvwm, afterstep, enlightenment, ratpoison, kde). But windowmaker is fast, lightweight, and gets out of the way. Optionally slap on compiz and a nice launcher like synapse and you are done.
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Typo there, I meant compton (if you like drop shadows, transparency etc), not compiz.
It depends. They're all excellent in their own way (Score:2)
Glad I could help.
Less is more (Score:2)
>"GNOME starts with somewhere in the region of 3GB at boot. This can be trimmed down by serious tweaking, but not very much. In comparison, the Awesome window manager weighs in at around 600MB... "
Now try XFCE or LXDE (especially because some of us think "tiling" window managers like Awesome suck)....
The absurdity of Linux distro on the desktop (Score:2, Troll)
Just imagine if there was a Linux car brand. Once you drive off the dealer in the Linux car, it turns out that it has a primitive 1980s style 3-speed automatic transmission. Next you need to go to a transmission shop and decide which transmission you want to install, which brand, type: CVT, automatic, or manual with or without locking differential. And note that each brand of transmission has its own driver interface, and they all kinda have not been tested with your car. So you first get a new transmissio
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i3 (Score:3)
student (Score:2)
This is a shame because I was interested. I'm waiting on a new laptop and I've been testing distros and DEs in a VM. Switching from Mac back to Linux after 10 years.
Xfce (Score:3)
I like Xfce. Does what I need, but is relatively lightweight and unobtrusive.
Screw it I'm making a hexagonal boot system (Score:2)
That way I can have all 5 installed but use Windblows too.
MATE for me on CentOS (Score:3)
The transition from CentOS 6 to 7 was beautifully smoothed out by MATE, so that made me a big MATE fan. Imagine my huge disappointment when CentOS 8 came out and dropped all of the desktop environments of its previous versions except by far the worst of them, GNOME 3!
Luckily, I found an unofficial MATE repo [fedorainfracloud.org] for CentOS 8 (and XFCE belatedly turned up the EPEL repo too), so I've happily rocking that ever since. For some inexplicable reason, neither MATE nor XFCE featured in this comparison, yet 2 DE's I'd never heard of until today - Regolith and Awesome - did, which devalues the comparison significantly, IMHO.
Don't really care (Score:5, Insightful)
Okay you got me, I do have a preference. But you could drop me into Gnome, KDE or Cinnamon and I'd get by. I feel like there's way too much effort given to the desktop environment as opposed to the applications. Like 20 years later
Microsoft still owns the business desktop
Microsoft owns 95%+ of the gaming market
Photoshop is coming to the iPad before Linux
If you want something simple get a Chromebook
It's neat if you're a coder or otherwise wants to get nerdy, but that's pretty much it. And of course if you want to run your own server, but that's a different story. I hoped either Apple or Google would kick the hornet's nest before Win7 went out of support but... *crickets*.
Budgie (Score:2)
Trinity Desktop Environment (Score:2)
For my time/effort TDE is the best one out there. I used to use KDE 3.5 but when KDE upgraded everything with the 4.0 version and started slowing my system down and giving me headaches I looked for an alternative.
TDE is a fork of the KDE 3.5 and keeps the basic look and feel of KDE 3.5, but without all the resource hogging eye candy.
it can run on top of most GNU/linux distros available and was a piece of cake to install. And all the apps I need/want run on it..
My 2 Yen. YMMV
Fvwm (Score:3)
Seriously, none of these pathetic "modern" excuses for a proper window-manager even comes close. XFCE is tolerable.
Mate, I used to use GNOME 2 (Score:2)
I used to use GNOME 2, but when they foisted GNOME 3 on us, I fled to XFCE. Now I've been using Mate for a few years and find its sufficiently customisable to meet all my needs.
In fact one of the Mate developers was kind enough to increase the maximum number of virtual desktops from 16 to 36 at my request.
I found GNOME 3 to be a Triumph of Fashion over Functionality! I hate thus 'Don't worry your tiny little mind, we know best mentality'!
This applesque mentality is behind Microsoft's Metro disaster, Ubunt
The one that copies MS Windows prior to 8 the best (Score:2)
Also RIP Lindows
I dunno (Score:2)
They all fundamentally feel broken, laking features and integration that most paid for OS's figured out 2 decades ago
Try Them in a Virtual Machine (Score:2)
My experience is that there will always be something in the Desktop du jour that just doesn't work as well as in a competitor's product. I really like i3, but I'd never recommend that unless I knew exactly the skill and comfort level of the user. Maybe, if you have space available, set up a VM and plug in a distro that offers several DEs and give each one a run. Many of them are actually pretty good.
WindowMaker FTW (Score:3)
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someuser 1935 0.0 0.0 95704 1312 ? S Apr29 0:05 \_
Gotta love the classics...
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systemDE
Re:Which Linux Desktop Environment is the Best? (Score:5, Funny)
EMACS
I use a DeskBottom Interface (Score:2)
The code from the southpark IT buttstick interface was ported to a DeskBottom allowing a completely know way to manipulate your computer hands free. Of course all the controlls are still available for the mouse but why would anyone want to use that?
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It lacks a good text editor, though.
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If you like MATE, you'll very probably like Cinnamon, too. The two are my two favourite DEs, with Cinnamon having a slight lead these days.
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Agreed, I might be running Cinnamon instead of MATE if it were compatible with a mouse gesture recognition program I use called mygestures. I also like XFCE as a lightweight DE.
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I was on Ubuntu MATE but switched recently to Ubuntu Budgie 20.04. For me the best combination of speed, appropriate features, and quality.
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MATE is ugly as fuck. It looks like Windows 95.
Exactly; pure functionality without "aesthetic fagotry."
Enlightenment (Score:2)
Enlightenment is quick and doesn't get in the way.
Re: Enlightenment (Score:2)
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Interesting how Enlightenment was considered bloated when it came out. It then stayed under the radar for 12 years and by virtue of being stuck in the past for so long, emerged as a lightweight.
BTW, I am still using WindowMaker since the late 90s, without a full desktop environment. It is still being maintained, and it is extremely light by today's standards. Not particularly flexible or beautiful, but dockapps are cool.
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Gnome when I want to do something 'simple' like add a printer and don't feel like going down rabbit holes.
Awesome when I just need a web browser, IDE and terminal.
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Which Linux Desktop Environment is the Best?
Gnome 3, when it is working properly. Other than that I also like XFCE.
Gnome 3 works great once you install 30+ extensions and it no longer functions how it was originally intended.
What about XFCE? (Score:5, Insightful)
It is really strange comparison with gnome, kde, cinnamon, awesome and regolith but not XFCE. I thought XFCE was top 3 in popularity due to its simplicity and performance/medium low resource requirements. I'm using XFCE on both my modern-ish Ryzen desktop and our very old AMD E-350 htpc which saves both time and mental effort when it comes to maintenance and configuration.
I just checked and XFCE + Ubuntu 18.04 uses 629 Mb on this machine. That is just as much as awesome but you get a full desktop environment with some tiling defaults (Super+Left/Right etc).
XFCE is great because it doesn't change (much). I wrote configuration scripts to set some custom shortcuts, install some default packages etc about 10+ years ago and I still use them whenever I have to do a clean install on a new computer. By using XFCE with the same config scripts on all computers (desktop, laptops, htpc etc) I can minimise the time and effort I spend on sys admin.
As far as eye candy is concerned, just say NO! If you're working in the same environment for a long time you just won't see the fancy animated transitions, shadows, transparency etc after a while. Your brain will get used to it and filter it out as irrelevant information so why bother. It provides no productivity boost, just an initial wow-factor that quickly disappears.
I'd like to try some tiling window manager some day but the main reason I haven't is that XFCE just works. I don't miss or lack anything so I can't imagine what real benefits another DE/WM could possibly provide.
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Gnome 3 is the only desktop environment I find even remotely usable. I use it every day as my primary OS.
I tried KDE but too much didn't work out of the box, particularly bluetooth speaker issues.
If you use something based on Debian, try Pantheon.
Re: Editor troll day at /. Need clicks! (Score:2)
So we get the bullshit lying "Dumb Americans are killing everything in sight because murder hornets!" story which is a total lie. Pure fake news click bait garbage.
Still not as dumb as the retards who actually believed the silly lie that there were those dumb enough to believe covid was caused by Corona [beer.]
Re: Editor troll day at /. Need clicks! (Score:2)
If my X posts reduces total post count on those stories by X+1 then it's a win.
I have faith in my fellow humans. Do you?
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Ya, if all you do is computing all day. The rest of the world needs to not become a Linux junkie just to get THEIR work done.
Just twm (Score:2)
I never liked virtual desktops, so I stick with plain old twm. Over the years I've found a few things that irked me, so I wrote a few patches (and submitted them upstream, but I don't expect them to be accepted). My favorite is that in reading the config file, it will use popen() instead of fopen() if the file is executable, so you can dynamically generate your config file using any scripting language you like. (In retrospect, that should have been standard for config files thirty years ago if only someo