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Google Says It Will Not Build Custom AI for Oil and Gas Extraction (medium.com) 105

After a year of weathering criticism from tech workers, politicians, and activists over its oil industry contracts, Google has stated that it will not create new custom A.I. or machine learning algorithms that would help the oil and gas industry enhance its ability to extract fossil fuels. From a report: "We will not ... build custom A.I./ML algorithms to facilitate upstream extraction in the oil and gas industry," a Google spokesperson said in a statement provided to OneZero. The declaration comes in response to a new Greenpeace report that details 14 separate contracts between three of the biggest tech companies -- Google, Amazon, and Microsoft -- and major oil firms. Over the last two years, Google Cloud, Microsoft Azure, and Amazon Web Services have inked deals with firms like Exxon, Chevron, and Total to use A.I. and automation to accelerate fossil fuel exploration and extraction, linking the last generation of the world's richest, most powerful companies with the newest. Microsoft, Google, and Amazon have built web portals to entice oil and gas clients, and each company has set up divisions aimed at winning business from the oil industry. With a surfeit of disorganized, backlogged data, tapering production rates, and deep financial reserves, major oil corporations are attractive clients to cloud service providers.
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Google Says It Will Not Build Custom AI for Oil and Gas Extraction

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  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @04:48PM (#60079904)

    The truth is that oil nd gas use will continue for quite some time, even as the use of renewables inevitably climbs.

    So why would you not want to make the process of oil and gas extraction as efficient and safe as possible? That's what producing things like more advanced tools or AI analysis would provide, cleaner and safer extraction of oil and gas.

    So congratulations Google employees on personally worsening the worlds pollution levels.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Because stupid little pussy beta male Democrats

    • by DontBeAMoran ( 4843879 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @04:53PM (#60079924)

      Because making it easier also means making it more economical. The only thing that works is putting economic pressure on those industries.

      • by DarkOx ( 621550 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @05:00PM (#60079962) Journal

        Making it more economical means millions of people facing high unemployment and uncertainty about where they next paycheck is coming from get cheaper fuel to stay warm in the winter, and drive to job interviews etc.

        Honestly anyone WANTS energy to cost more (even dirty energy) especially right now is either unthinking or a dirtbag that cares more about their image as a progressive futurists or whatever than about people. Want renewables to succeed find ways to deliver energy cheaper than the oil guys can do it by doing cheaper not by making oil more expensive and therefore other peoples lives WORSE.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Making it more economical means fewer jobs. The transition to renewables is one of the biggest source of new jobs we have. Lots of construction and engineering required, and then on-going maintenance for distributed generation.

          Boosting gas is just destroying new jobs that could have been created if it were a little more expensive.

        • Nuclear for base power. Wind & Solar for everything else. Also, coal is too dirty, oil requires too much military intervention and the reason gas is cheap is we're destroying ground water with fracking to get it, and that can't continue.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by guacamole ( 24270 )

        And liberals hate cheap oil and gas with passion. I mean, they made far-fetched plans for the green economy under the Obama administration. But progress has been underwhelming considering petrol costing less than 2.50 a gallon for the last 10 years in most parts of the country, cheap natural gas, and cheap electricity.

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        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Gas doesn't really cost $2.50/gallon, it's just that you only pay a fraction of the price and the rest is externalized on to other people, some of them not even born yet.

      • Because making it easier also means making it more economical.

        The AI techniques will make it more economical for a few producers, mostly "swing" producers extracting from shale. This will mean cheaper oil, and actually hurt most of the industry.

        High-cost producers, such as Russia, will be forced out of the market.

        Low-cost producers, such as Saudi Arabia, will see their margins erode.

        The big winners will be American frackers who will increase their market share.

        The only thing that works is putting economic pressure on those industries.

        Nope. High prices help the oil industry.

        The only thing that works is putting economic pressure on consumers

        • This will mean cheaper oil, and actually hurt most of the industry.

          No one will drop a tear, I'm sure...

          High-cost producers, such as Russia, will be forced out of the market.

          Excellent!

          Low-cost producers, such as Saudi Arabia, will see their margins erode.

          That'd be Ok too.

          The big winners will be American frackers who will increase their market share.

          Which is good for America. For decades US politicians were talking about the need for "energy independence" in general and blasted our "dependence on foreign oil" [wikipedia.org]

        • Mono or poly solar panels? I keep hearing conflicting information about those two types. There's also the rigid vs flexible debate but I'm guessing your panels are for a home setup and therefore are rigid panels.

          • Mono or poly solar panels?

            To be honest, I have no idea. I just looked at the price and the warranty (80% capacity after 25 years) and went with the installer who offered the best deal with the fastest pay-back.

          • from memory the Mono are more expensive but better for efficiency and life expectancy. Poly are fine if you only want a 10 year life or so. I could be wrong as it is long ago since I looked into (maybe 2012)
        • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

          Huh? There's very little that's higher cost than American shale. Russia and Saudi Arabia ignore frackers for a while, then, when they get thick enough to be annoying, kill them off.

          I don't think most of the conventional oil producers really do much exploration, and wouldn't benefit much from any Google AI (provided the Google AI was actually useful). Unconventional sources, like American shale, would be the ones who stood to benefit.

          • Huh? There's very little that's higher cost than American shale.

            Offshore oil is higher cost.

            So is arctic oil. Shale oil has killed off all arctic oil exploration.

            Russian oil is cheaper to pump out of the ground from pre-existing wells, but it is not cheaper for the Russians to drill new wells. As their older wells run dry, the Russian economy will be in deep trouble.

            Unconventional sources, like American shale, would be the ones who stood to benefit.

            Certainly.

      • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

        Here's a bit of reality. The harder those sources are to find, the harder they are to extract. If they were easy to find, they would be large and easy to extract, the elements of them being easy to extract and easy to find are much the same.

        There is no fucking money in it no more, the frackers are already at deaths door, the great fracking ponzi scheme, where they were trying to hide the rapid fall off in production of each well, way faster than they claimed, by borrowing more money and drilling more wells

    • So true, this comment deserves to be upvoted.
    • But think how righteous they feel for "sticking it to the man"!

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      The truth is that oil nd gas use will continue for quite some time, even as the use of renewables inevitably climbs.

      So why would you not want to make the process of oil and gas extraction as efficient and safe as possible?

      You are missing a few critical pieces of the picture. No surprise, but here are some: These investments are long-term. They are about getting out more, not making the process safer. Making fossiles even only somewhat better has a negative impact on renewables. Some idiots (look in the mirror) would start to claim fossiles are not that bad after all and should be used even longer. Making a stand does matter.

      • by Way Smarter Than You ( 6157664 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @06:13PM (#60080270)
        "Making fossiles even only somewhat better has a negative impact on renewables."

        This is just a variant on Broken Window Theory.

        We want renewables to "win" so sabotage non-renewables to make renewables look better? And here I though they were just better and don't need to be artificially assisted.
        • And here I though they were just better and don't need to be artificially assisted.

          Much of what makes renewables "better" is that they reduce CO2 emissions. That is a public good [wikipedia.org] that is not reflected in the price.

        • And here I though they were just better and don't need to be artificially assisted.

          The great lie of the greens: nuclear energy is more expensive than other forms... (silently) ...after we add twenty years of litigation and any form of legal and illegal protest we can think of.

          Nuclear energy is the on form of energy that can save our environment _and_ maintain our standard of living.

          • by gweihir ( 88907 )

            And here I though they were just better and don't need to be artificially assisted.

            The great lie of the greens: nuclear energy is more expensive than other forms...

            It is only a "lie" for people that cannot do even basic math. You probably qualify. If you even looked and are not just stupidly repeat something you heard somewhere.
            The actual reality is that nuclear energy is horrendously expensive, even if you disregard the risk-cost and the cost of long-term storage of the waste.

            • Do you suppose you could learn to argue without questioning the mental abilities of your discussion partner? It's uncivilized and tiresome, and it raises the suspicion that your point cannot stand on its own merits.

              My argument is simple: the only form of energy that both provides enough capacity to replace our current energy needs, and that can provide base load, is nuclear. All other options are either relying on finite and heavily polluting resources such as oil and coal, or unable to provide even a fract

              • by gweihir ( 88907 )

                Do you suppose you could learn to argue without questioning the mental abilities of your discussion partner?

                Nope. I can already do that and hence cannot learn it. But when the mental abilities of the other side are clearly seriously deficient, I like to point that out. Yes the truth is often impolite and hurts.

                Looking at your "arguments", you are either very new to this and very naive, or cannot actually do Math. It seems you also do not understand Physics and Engineering. Now, I have been following the global nuclear mafia and its misadventures and accidents for about 3 and a half decades and all they ever have

                • Ah, you're one of _those_ people. Well, best of luck in your life then. I hope we won't meet again.

                  I hope for you that you will at some point in your life grow to understand that such an abrasive, absolutist attitude to life is a very shitty way to live, and that you may find love someday.

    • So why would you not want to make the process of oil and gas extraction as efficient and safe as possible?

      This. The alternative to maximising extraction of existing oil sources is to drill for new ones. That has an overall negative impact.

      Greenpeace is utterly stupid. It's like how they protesting specifically against BP because BP receive the largest number of government subsidies. Yeah no shit, bio-ethanol, wind power, solar, and all those other things they dabble in as a side gig is all subsidised so they are literally punishing the companies that attempt to align most heavily with government policy *slow co

  • Google says it will not build custom A.I. for oil and gas extraction.

    Of course they won't, they just announced they wouldn't.

    There's nothing preventing them, however, from building generic A.I. that can then be fine-tuned for oil and gas extraction.

    • Great opportunity for Russia or China step in. They've got the brainpower. The US is doing its damnedest to squash Kaspersky and Huawei, but it's not going to happen.

      I'm not sure how much capital is required for AI development, but I doubt if it's like mining oil sands or building refineries. When Russia and China tool up, watch the USA rhetoric against these two powers diminish. Or else It will become part of the US national purpose to develop these tools, and Google will reverse and become heroes for step

      • they have to steal it first. that's the issue.
        it's a favorite field of mine to watch and we are way in front of the computer AI game.
        we are behind in the people mind skills for many computer related services but AI nope.
        russia math people have a great skill set when it comes to science of the problem but they
        don't have the art side of the skill set ( not that far behind but lucky for us )

  • After figuring out the pointy end goes down, Google has decided to end development of their AI

    Just my 2 cents ;)
  • by Kohath ( 38547 )

    Me neither.

    There's a huge oversupply of oil and natural gas for the foreseeable future, so the drillers don't need phantom non-existent tech to get more.

  • If you build a generalized AI engine, it's down to the training as to what kind of AI it becomes.

    What's this, like the 4,000th virtue signal Google has announced recently?

  • The purpose of those tools would be the cut down on the number of test hole and the pollution that comes from them. With google saying they will not help do that they are just increasing the amount of pollution that will be generated.
  • Really, it takes a lot of energy to locate and process oil and gas. Make that more efficient, and guess what. you save energy and avoid emissions. Even if we stop using it as a fuel. you still have lubricant, roads, roofs, not to mention all the other things made from long carbon chains. very short sighted
  • Petroleum is crucial to pharmaceuticals [nih.gov]:

    nearly 99% of pharmaceutical feedstocks and reagents are derived from petrochemicals

    Without petrochemicals, we will eliminate most of our drug research and production capabilities. Why does Google want to kill us?

  • Jeff Bezos laughs maniacally until tears start to stream down his face. He then picks up piles of $100 bills and wipes the tears with them. Congrats, Google, you've accomplished absolutely nothing, and lost probably a billion dollars on this grandstanding. A billion dollars that your lagging cloud business pretty badly needs.

  • by guacamole ( 24270 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @05:15PM (#60080040)

    The oil companies will just develop the AI techniques for this in house.

    • The oil companies will just develop the AI techniques for this in house.

      This. The oil industry isn't helpless in technology. Pretty much every major owns some form of high power supercomputer. E.g. The CHPC owned by BP (if it were leased to the public) would sit in number 13 in the rank of top supercomputers in the world. PANGEA III is owned by French Total and sits in number 11. HPC4 is sitting in number 16 owned by Italian Eni. And those companies who don't own supercomputers work closely with universities which do.

      The oil industry has always been pushing boundaries in techno

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Like it or not the world still needs oil extraction. If not for fossil fuels then to create the thousands of other items we use oil and oil by-products for. (like plastics used in ventilators for one)

    AI can make this process cleaner and cheaper for all.

    But no, they have to play luddite and virtue signal about how ethical a company they are all the while helping China enslave its populace.

    Break 'em up.

  • Someone else will fill this market demand. Nothing will change except google employees now have no say in how itâ(TM)s done
    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Just because some others profit from destroying the eco-system does not make it right if you participate in it. Replace that with "murder", and it becomes even more obvious.

      • That's stupid. Making things more efficient is not destroying the ecosystem. It's the exact opposite. You may as well pile on the inventor of the LED lightbulb for making lighting cheaper / more efficient.

        • by gweihir ( 88907 )

          Ah, you again. And as expected, you do not get it. Not even one bit.

          • It's true; nothing I do will ever make me sufficiently stupid to understand your thought process.

            • by gweihir ( 88907 )

              Oh, you think I have forgotten all the invalid stupid things you posted here in the past? I have not.

              Here is a hint: You cannot follow though processes far _above_ your own level of insight. Below is easy. That is if you are smart enough to understand the psychology involved...

              For example, I pretty much understand _your_ thought processes. But they do not provide insights into reality, just into your mind and are hence of no real interest to me.

  • by jm007 ( 746228 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @05:27PM (#60080084)
    our modern society is so permeated with petroleum products and related industries that do go without them at this point is to put us back to the horse and cart and whale oil lighting; no kidding, it's related to almost anything you can think of today; and this is true even *without* considering the fuel uses

    they're really drawing a line in the sand, these well-intentioned and self-important tech folks, but standing on principles, admirable as the intentions are, can still be a stupid move

    to be led by short-sighted perceptions of victory just to score some environmentalist bandwagon points is by definition 'cutting off your nose to spite your face'

    we need petroleum now and perhaps better ways of extracting and using it can help things while can figure out how to lessen our dependence in the meantime
    • If we could stop burning it, and throwing it away, then it would be reasonable to keep depending on oil. But if you're a plastics company and you're not working on plant-derived materials, or if you're an oil company not researching biofuels, you aren't planning for the future.

      It's true that modern life is in many ways dependent on fossil fuels, but if you're aware of some law of physics that precludes changing that, please let us know.

      • by jm007 ( 746228 )
        I follow the laws of physics so let those stand as they are; however, I am letting you know you'll have to widen your view of the world in order to understand it

        start with discarding the strawman companies idea
  • They have been more than happy to help China with their AI esp. related to Weapon development, and now, they object to helping American DoD, as well as O&G.

    Total hypocrites.
    • by jm007 ( 746228 )
      good point, and don't forget the Chinese search engine fiasco.... yeah, these folks got scruples and morality up the wazoo
  • People should be thankful the oil and gas companies keep finding new resources and ways to extract oil. If they hadn't done that I think our society would have collapsed by now. All of our food is dependent on converting natural gas to fertilizer and then there's all the machinery that keeps us out of the fields. How would we heat our homes? How would we get to work? Alternate energy? Hardly.
  • We already built one.
    We built a generic one you just have to select 'oil baron' during character creation. ...

  • So oil is bad, the US military is bad (although not the Chinese military), anything not far left wing is bad. We shouldn't work on any evil stuff.

    However, actively creating, maintaining, and growing a business model based ENTIRELY on invading everyone's privacy to put cash in their pockets is totally ok and not evil.

    If these google types weren't such hypocritical scum then I'd take them more seriously when do they make noise about something.
  • But they WILL (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Texmaize ( 2823935 ) on Tuesday May 19, 2020 @06:55PM (#60080388)
    Funny, google will not help with the efficient extraction of natural resources, which could help reduce pollution. But, they WILL help dictatorships track and imprison dissidents. Nice.

    False morality is still false.
    • Well to be fair they are following Greenpeace the biggest proponents of ruining the environment. Thanks to them we will now dig new wells, just like we built out new coal power plants when they had a hard on against nuclear power. Just like how they attack the oil industry in order based on government subsidies received, ignoring that the most government subsides are received by the companies who have the most green projects (biofuel, wind farms, etc). Greenpeace are utter morons.

  • ...the fact is that I don't expect you can run a business catering to the deepest snowflaky convictions of your employees, but they have such deep pockets they can go for a while, I'm sure.

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  • Self-described progressive take more flights and fly more miles per year than self-described Republicans. They also have higher energy use, in many cases, significantly more.

    If these folks got on an airplane, and their flight was cancelled because the plane had no fuel, they would be livid.

    Which means, they fully expect THEIR transportation choices to have fuel, but they don’t want them to actually procure the fuel.

    And these are grown people who have never been told that this does not make sense, and

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