Pepper Spray Sales Soar On Amazon (bloomberg.com) 362
The unrest following the death of George Floyd has prompted Amazon shoppers to buy pepper spray for self-defense. According to Bloomberg, "a $9.48 canister of Sabre 'max police strength' pepper spray shot up to the top-selling rank in Amazon's sports and outdoors category Monday morning." The No. 2 spot was a neck gaiter, which can cover the nose and mouth. From the report: One Amazon shopper named "Bill" left a 5-star review for the pepper spray May 31 and said "Put the cops down when they mess with you." People are swapping recommendations for self-defense products on social-media platforms like Twitter, where users are posting links to Sabre pepper spray on Amazon. According to customer reviews, the pepper spray can be used for self-defense. Amazon became a pipeline for household essentials such as toilet paper and disinfecting wipes for shoppers hunkered down at home to avoid contracting Covid-19. The spike in pepper spray sales shows how protests around the country are influencing consumer demand. Amazon's best-seller product rankings provide a real-time gauge for sudden swings in consumer demand.
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Someone _really_ wants this to turn violent, far beyond the flashbangs and pepper spray. Fuck around and find out, I guess. Trust fund provocateur kids are about to do that. FWIW, I did not bother with pepper spray. Instead I loaded all the mags, just in case someone decides to loot my neighborhood. Castle doctrine and all.
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The black bloc types that are out to cause violence aren't stocking up on pepper spray. I doubt they're buying their bricks and gasoline from Amazon either.
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And the problem is, that while it's true, it points two ways. One of the ways is "sometimes they are there to do the opposite of defending you".
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The police are not there to 'defend you' anyway. That is not how they see their job. You may as well call up a violent street gang when you have a problem.
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The police are not there to 'defend you' anyway. That is not how they see their job.
Really. Tell me more.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=... [youtube.com]
Re: Someone _really_ wants this to (Score:5, Insightful)
You realize that labels like 'nazi', 'fascist', 'racist', and even 'white supremacist' are losing their sting because of overuse and misuse.. right? And you are contributing to that.
As a culture, we are going to have a big problem when we encounter something so over the top bad and we no longer have a word to accurately describe it which hasn't been debased.
Re: Someone _really_ wants this to (Score:5, Interesting)
And here is where we see the difference between children and adults.
Children are all about name calling and afraid of what nasty names other will call them.
When you become an adult, you develop a sense of who you are, and don't give an f about how others label you.
What I also know... is that for some, the frequent use of these labels risks creating the very thing you oppose.
Think about it, you go around labeling people as ____, they know they aren't, but keep being called it. There is nothing for them to repent for, as they have done nothing wrong. Eventually they encounter actual ____ people, who don't belittle them for having done nothing wrong, suddenly they are open to hearing more.
That's something neither of us want... or do you? Because the more... nazis/facists/racists/white nationalists there are, the more justification you feel for your existence?
Re:Someone _really_ wants this to (Score:5, Insightful)
It isn't a talking point. It is reality.
During the protests, groups are taking advantage of the police being overwhelmed and doing bad things.
There is no one to service requests during this period and calls to 911 go unanswered for extended periods of time.
There is a reason ammo and personal defense materials have sold out. You can claim this is some conspiracy all you want, but when it gets crazy you can't count on society. Lesson learned by a lot of people.
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Several years ago, during the riots in London, the sale of baseball bats skyrocketed. The police literally said they can do nothing to protect the public.
https://money.cnn.com/2011/08/09/technology/amazon_riot/index.htm [cnn.com]
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Someone _really_ wants this to turn violent, far beyond the flashbangs and pepper spray.
There have been multiple reports of some very fishy things, reported by protesters themselves, such as stacks of loose bricks distributed around cities in various places.
https://www.newsweek.com/misso... [newsweek.com]
https://www.lawenforcementtoda... [lawenforcementtoday.com]
Just google it, there are many reports from different sources on this. There are many, many other things going on here, way beyond the probable murder of George Floyd. Generally protests of this sort come about, eventually, if justice is not being served. However in this c
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Clearly served? The autopsy that wasn't subsidized by the police department found that it was probably murder 1, not murder 3. And his accomplices haven't been charged with anything. And even when tried, police usually don't get convicted, no matter what the evidence.
It could be more blatant. This time the perpetrators lost their jobs...for the moment. And one of them (out of four) has been charged without a delay of several months. There should at least be a malfeasance charge attached to the manslau
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The autopsy that wasn't subsidized by the police department found that it was probably murder 1, not murder 3.
You think the officer intentionally killed the guy, and planned it in advance? Why would he do that?
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Police officers have to subdue people all day every day and even when done right, it will kill people occasionally. Can't afford to make police too scared to do their job entirely.
Sure, but no need to sit on somebody's neck for five minutes after that's been done.
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That would take out a lot of the fun of their job. Murder without consequences is a massive perk of being in law enforcement in the US and of course it attracts the sorts of people who dream of it.
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Then with no police you'll be the one sitting on the meth addict restraining him, before stringing him up on a tree.
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Without prison, deterrence becomes a problem. So the first time you try to protect your property with only the force necessary, maybe the second time too ... after a while though it's time for disproportional response, it only makes sense.
Doesn't have to be hanging of course, in Guatemala for instance they prefer burning. Anarchy, it kinda works ... but not in the way most its proponents pretend.
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I have never once been helped in any way by a cop in my entire 50 years. Not once. Not for anything.
Cool story. I have never once been helped by welfare, soup kitchens, fire fighters, EMS techs, or rehab centres, therefore we don't need those either.
Or maybe you're just a selfish cunt who only cares about things which help him personally.
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All I want is a police force that is more like the rest of the world where 9 out of 10 are not violent, sadistic thugs who are sometimes even racist like a cherry on top
lol. I take it you haven't traveled much, or even read about the rest of the world. The police in 95% of the world are either the same, or far far worse. In half of the countries I've been to I'd be absolutely terrified to be on the receiving end of police attention; in the USA I've had nothing but positive interactions with the police, even though I'm an eeeeevil foreigner. The only mildly annoying experience I had was a speeding ticket in some tiny town where it was pretty clear that the speed limit s
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I have lived in Montreal. Never saw any thuggish or bully type police during my stay there. Not saying that a cop there didn't pull a gun on you, but the cops there didn't seem aggressive to me. Nor did I see any thuggish type of police in Jakarta or Medan when I was there. I actually fled the US some years ago partly because I was so terrified of American police. I feel so much safer living abroad in any other country. If I ever go back to the US and see a cop there I will probably flee and get myself kill
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That's a negative, ghost rider. Both the independent autopsy and the Hennepin County Medical Examiner's autopsy determined that cause of death was asphyxiation by improper application of restraint - namely, the officer's knee was in the wrong spot on Floyd's shoulders/neck.
So yes, that is murder, and even if it had turned out that he *had* applied the restraining technique correctly, he was duty-bound to attempt resuscitation when the other officer informed him that he could not find Floyd's pulse. Police
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That is absolutely a lie. The county examiner found it was a pre-existing condition combined with alcohol and other intoxicants. The report is freely available so why would you lie?
Dude was drunk driving, had a heart condition and then ate his stash.
The paid examiner... yeah...
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From the Hennepin Counter Medical Examiner report from June 1st:
Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression
Manner of death: Homicide
How injury occurred: Decedent experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s)
Other significant conditions: Arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease; fentanyl intoxication; recent methamphetamine use
https://content.govdelivery.co... [govdelivery.com]
So what you have is multiple causes and underlying conditions, all of which contributed. This includes the neck compression. It is up to a jury to decide now.
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It's 3rd degree murder given the audio leak. He kept his knee on the guy's neck for over two minutes after one of his fellow cops said that he couldn't feel a pulse and that they should turn him on his side. Satisfies the depraved indifference standard pretty easily.
Out of touch with reality (Score:5, Informative)
He died of a heart attack. The police officer may have restrained him the wrong way but thats a few steps from murder in the conventional conception.
There were two autopsy reports, one city and one independent commissioned by the family. Both reports conclude that George Floyd was murdered [usatoday.com].
The cause of death in both reports was ""asphyxiation from sustained pressure", direct quote.
There is abundant video evidence backed up by testimony of eye witnesses that he was asphyxiated over the course of several minutes. During those minutes he was gasping for breath, pleading for rellef, and eventually unresponsive. The policeman kept up the pressure for (just shy of) three minutes after George Floyd became unresponsive.
This is a textbook example of manslaughter, where someone's actions cause the death of another. It has to go through a trial yet, but it's hard to argue that the officer isn't guilty of this crime.
There is also a legal term "depraved indifference", which I quote here for reference:
To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant's conduct must be 'so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime.
Video evidence has Derek Chauvin, the officer seen kneeling on Floyd's neck, ignoring the pleas of George Floyd as well as ignoring the calls from witnesses to ease up, or that George had become non-responsive. Videos showing Floyd repeating "Please," "I can't breathe," "Mama," and "Don't kill me" were widely circulated on the internet.
Again, this has to go to trial, but on the evidence given I find it hard to imagine how this does not constitute "depraved indifference" as defined by law. Therefore, it is considered intentional (in law) and a charge of murder is appropriate.
Various police organizations across the country have condemned the actions of the policemen involved.
And finally, officers Tou Thao, J. Alexander Kueng, and Thomas K. Lane participated in Floyd's arrest, with Kueng holding Floyd's back, Lane holding his legs, and Thao looking on and forcibly preventing intervention by onlookers as he stood nearby.
He died of a heart attack. The police officer may have restrained him the wrong way but thats a few steps from murder in the conventional conception.
The police have been out of control for years, and it's time they good a good spanking. So far it's always been "their word against yours", but in our modern age everyone carries around a video camera. The cops can no longer get away with all their abuses, and things have to change.
A good start would be to have internal investigations done by some external agency, not the cops themselves.
Another good change would be to eliminate "resisting arrest" altogether, since it's universally abused by the police. Keep "assaulting a police officer" available, but require the police to justify that charge with real injuries.
Re:Out of touch with reality (Score:5, Insightful)
The police have been out of control for years, and it's time they good a good spanking. So far it's always been "their word against yours", but in our modern age everyone carries around a video camera. The cops can no longer get away with all their abuses, and things have to change.
You had a valid argument until then. There are over 800,000 law enforcement officers in the United States. There have been consistently about 1,000 officer-involved deaths per year for several years now with no discernable change. In 2019, the number of times in officer-involved shootings where officers were shot at first was 74%.
.. when one backs out all of the deaths caused by stupid people shooting at police officers or using knives or other weapons and those involved in violent cases of resisting arrest, the incidents of actual (v/s perceived) police brutality is very low when compared to the total number of police officers.
So
I would not consider that 'out of control'. The media sensationalizes any incident where there is any perceived over-escalation. They also neglect to report on incidents where the police have gone out of their way to help people. I don't use the news media outlets as a source for determining societal trends because they care far more about ad revenue and viewer percentages than portraying any factual account.
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That is like saying "I'm choking." If you are choking or asphyxiating, you will not be able to speak.
That simply isn't true. It does not work that way in the real world. I was choked like that and I was able to speak very slightly in a croak by forcing out all of my remaining air and doing so probably saved my life because another person finally pulled off my assailant (who happened to also be a cop). It is difficult to hold constant pressure on someone's neck that is not enough to totally crush their larynx and kill them but still be enough to prevent all speech sounds. Note that once I forced out the res
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All I'm saying is it isn't easy especially for a retarded person aka a cop to hold exactly the same amount of pressure on someone's neck. The amount of pressure is going to vary somewhat. I was responding to someone saying that choking someone means they cannot talk, but that is quite obviously not the case.
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The police officer may have restrained him the wrong way but thats a few steps from murder in the conventional conception.
It seems like he didn't intend to kill George, so 3rd degree murder.
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It seemed like he did intend to kill him to me. I guess it would just depend on which one of us was on the jury. Either way if there is any justice he will get shivved by some guy in prison already there for life. If it were up to me I would save the trial and summarily execute him via strangulation. The video proves his guilt beyond any reasonable doubt. He needs to die.
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This is the kind of time that tests your religious devotion to Eris.
I believe this period is called Grummet.
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What some of them are doing however is inciting the violence because they're white supremacists, neo-nazis, and other racist types.
If Trump himself isn't actually racist (which I think he is) then he just doesn't think before he opens his mouth. Things that he says makes the racist types believe that this is now 'their day' and that racism is acceptable. It is most certainly not acceptable, now or ever. So if Trump is not racist himself then he needs to think more before open
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And you don't have a clue how many Trump supporters are looting or acting as agent provocateurs but that is another story.
Now who's the conspiracy theorist.
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The violence is already here in spades. People have a right to defend themselves, which they haven't even really begun to do yet.
When you are not committing the fallacy of non-sequitur you engage in straw-manning... Are you trying to fill out the fallacy bingo card?
I didn't say people don't have the right to defend themselves I said that the president is encouraging violence and chaos and making the situation worse. That is dangerous and reckless.
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Wow, that's pretty racist of you, assuming that black people are so animalistic and lacking in self-control that their natural reaction was to protest, loot and riot.
It's weird, you keep calling me a racist, yet I think black people, brown people, and everyone else has the ability to choose for themselves how they will react to their emotions and act for good or evil... unlike you, apparently.
When Justine Damond was shot and killed, by a black police officer, in Minneapolis, who was called to the scene by her reporting a potential crime, we didn't see the white folks protest, loot and riot nationwide... why? Do you really think they are that much better than blacks by having so much more self-control?
But go ahead, keep telling me how I am the racist.
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Took me a couple times reading your comment to figure out what the hell you thought you were referring to. You couldn't have gotten the details more wrong if you tried.
Of course not, that black bitch got what she deserved!
She was a he. Women aren't typically called Mohammed.
She got startled by a loud bang and accidently fired her gun and got 12 years in jail!
There was nothing accidental about it; he admitted intentionally shooting her, then gave the incredibly weird excuse that he believed that his partner "feared fot his life".
She was suspended hours after the murder.
Just like all the cops in the recent incidences, right?
He and his partner were both placed on paid leave shortly after the shooting. I don't know whether this is standard
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I don't think enough Trump supporters have caught on to the fact that they've helped elect someone who wants to watch the world burn to the ground.
I'm very confident that it's not Trump supporters burning anything. Leftists riot and destroy. I'm mixed on Trump but you have to admit that the riots are all in left leaning areas. It's not a center or right of center impulse to needlessly destroy.
Not recommended (Score:2, Insightful)
Not recommended: attacking the cops with a weapon. Once you're threatening a cop with a weapon, he's within his rights to just shoot you, or use whatever violence pleases him. Back in the 60s, riot cops used to use long truncheons and hope the person they were beating would grab the truncheon - they'd then let go, and the rioter would now be armed and fighting with the police, and the police could have a field day.
Better yet, don't get involved in violent protest in the first place. The police can shut t
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Unfortunately, the states that restrict gun purchases are the same states that restrict access to pepper spray.
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Good luck with that smoking ruin of a country you advocate creating. If the police pulls out all the stops, the other side will too and that will cause a civil war. Remember there is only one side here with training and a command-structure and in an armed conflict that is the only one that can stop the violence. The way to do it is to accept much more damage to your own side than you do to the other.
Yes, I expect you cannot see that, despite countless historic and current examples. You will probably claim t
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ood luck with that smoking ruin of a country you advocate creating. If the police pulls out all the stops, the other side will too and that will cause a civil war.
Sure, but the "war" will be over the day it starts. Social order will be restored. The national guard is good at this. Big city police are better at doing it without killing anyone, they can be really slick with riot control measures they've practiced and street layouts they know well. Hopefully, if the national guard goes in they won't need to start shooting anyone - they threat of that should be enough. An MRAP is damned intimidating, gives you a visceral sense you brought a bottle of pepper spray to
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MRAP? I'm waiting for them to roll up the ADS [wikipedia.org]...
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Pfft, why bother with that fancy shit when they can just crank up the juice on the 5G transmitters and zap em with that.
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History is not in your side. You are fantasizing. True, the cave-men always think more violence is the answer, but in actual reality, it is the road to hell. More violence works when your opponent is a single person with no friends and nobody that cares about him or her. In all other situations, it just pisses the opposition off even more.
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History is not in your side. You are fantasizing.
One of us is, that's for sure. But rioting and protests in the US has never amounted to anything, beyond damaged shops and lots of rioters in jail. This is all way calmer than the 60s, and will certainly remain so.
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Great. So it stops. Then?
The problem is that the police cannot be trusted. They have proven this over and over again. Lawyers have sites on the web telling you "Don't talk to the police, even, or perhaps especially, if you're innocent."
Suppressing the current flare up doesn't solve the problem, it doesn't address the problem. Justice is not available to those without power. And this is so consistently true that it MUST be by design. So, yet, thrown on a carpet to smother that rag fire. It'll die dow
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Big city police are better at doing it without killing anyone, they can be really slick with riot control measures they've practiced and street layouts they know well
Big city police aren't good at anything. Like most bullies they are bumblers. That is why they had to take a job where they can dominate and even murder people without repercussions. They cannot even shoot well and that is the one thing you would expect them to be able to do.
They would get killed off very quickly in any other street gang and they would not last long in any civil war. Especially since so many citizens would love to murder them like they are the LCPD. They are the Nazis of the modern age and
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" Remember there is only one side here with training and a command-structure and in an armed conflict that is the only one that can stop the violence. "
Yeah. It's called the Military.
Because the way Police are behaving as of late, there is little to indicate they are highly trained professionals.
Hell, I've seen GANGS that have more self-control than these guys. . .
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It's happened before. It's why police departments have different layers, whether city, state, or federal, so that one can be called in to arrest the other as and when abuses occur. It's also why the National Guard can be used to compel police departments that don't live up to their responsibility, and why the National Guard escorted black children to white schools in the 1960's.
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Pretty much so. Let's hope the ones in command remember that the absolute worst thing you can do in a civil unrest situation is to start shooting the protesters. The guy that currently tries to be in charge of the US overall certainly does not know this...
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..start shooting the protesters.
Yeah. Pretty much Open Season on cops at that point. Bad. Nothing would stop it from escalating then.
The second worst thing: brining in the U.S. Military (not the National Guard). Can you say 'Martial Law'? The protestors would. Likewise: open season.
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Better yet, don't get involved in violent protest in the first place. The police can shut that down quite quickly if the mayor actually lets them.
Well, as we just saw in DC, even peacefully protesting won't keep you from getting tear gassed and rushed by police if Trump wants to clear you out for a photo op.
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Here's a video, from an Australian news crew:
https://twitter.com/brett_mcgu... [twitter.com]
The police were not even pretending to be defending anything. They simply attacked.
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This looks like it is the same incident, from another angle:
https://twitter.com/ABC7News/s... [twitter.com]
The attack on the Australian crew starts at about 0:26, when one cop slams his shield into the cameraman.
At 0:31, another cop hits the reporter in the back with a baton as she was leaving.
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The church that was set on fire yesterday? Has no bearing on the group that was protesting today.
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" Once you're threatening a cop with a weapon, he's within his rights to just shoot you, or use whatever violence pleases him. "
I have some terrible news to deliver . . . . .
Over the past week or so, it should have become readily apparent that one does not even need to threaten police in any way for the police to self-justify beating the shit out of you, pushing you into fire, using pepper spray like it was an air freshener, shooting you in the head with rubber projectiles or even shooting at you WHILE YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY FOLLOWING THE RULES OF A CURFEW.
Here's the thing.
Even playing by their rules will see you getting a beat down by our uniformed protectorate.
The police are lucky this hasn't turned into full blown kill-every-cop-in-sight level violence.
( But as we keep seeing photos and videos of the above, you can bet it's right around the corner )
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The press used to be protected but now we have activist reporters that are egging on or participating in violence and disobeying commands and then claiming they are victims.
Jesus guruevi, what media are you following that didn't show numerous examples of police targeting reporters who were being respectful and following instructions?
Open your eyes. [google.com]
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Not recommended: attacking the cops with a weapon. Once you're threatening a cop with a weapon, he's within his rights to just shoot you, or use whatever violence pleases him.
In Tennessee, under statute attacking a cop with a weapon is perfectly legal (and explicitly stated) if he's using "excessive force". The self-defense statute actually has a section specifically dealing with this.
I'm sure cops would go bonkers if anyone actually used it in court.
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Not recommended: attacking the cops with a weapon.
I agree. However there is a lot of footage out there of the police attacking journalists and cameramen, often live on air, who are thus very clearly not part of the violence.
As a result I entirely believe that the police are also attacking peaceful protesters, and people that are in proximity to violence but not participating.
That's out of order, that's illegal and I haven't yet seen any fucking evidence that the police are getting prosecuted for these violent assaults.
That sadly does justify violence. If y
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Oh, well, people are sure to learn the hard way what happens when the government finally decides to take out the trash.
Yes and the end result is that both the media and politicians in pro-riot cities will essentially be canonizing any rioters killed or seriously injured when that happens. Which in turn will just embolden the rioters, who are pretty much all antifa-loons, and cause new flare-ups where the riots had previously been broken up.
Honestly, the only way I see this coming to an end any time soon is with some pretty heavy handed anti-"black block" laws specifically tailored against that type of riot tactics. So-ca
Not really going to help (Score:2)
While I understand their fear, you're not going to spray and reload when five fake protesters decide to bugler your home. Although, gun nuts are probably grinning ear to ear--not because they want to shoot but because they can finally say they were right in their own way. Troubling, but likely necessary, time to get this stuff off our chests so we can start making some real reform on finding common ground instead of continued division.
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More and more folks are liking the approach the Philippines are taking to the drug dealer problem.
By killing thousands of innocent people then planting guns on them saying they resisted, Duterte opponents, and journalists?
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Don’t all the cops wear gas masks when using pepper spray? If you really want to take things to the next level use the old standby, a molotov cocktail.
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The name molotov cocktail actually comes from the Finns in the Winter War against the Soviets. It was a knock on Soviet Foreign Minister Molotov, the Molotov-Ribbentropp Pact, and Molotov's propaganda that the Soviet aircraft over Finland were dropping humanitarian aid, not bombs.
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If you really want to take things to the next level use, don't act when they're prepared for trouble. And use something harder to detect in action. Slip Amanita into their salad or something. By they time anyone notices anything you've had 6 hours to get away...and even then they won't know who did what for a rather long time.
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Yeah, like the two Ivy League lawyers who tried to firebomb the police car in NYC:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne... [dailymail.co.uk]
I knew an Ivy League education wasn't what it once was, but seriously, this won't look good in the accomplishments section of the next edition of the alumni magazine.
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Gun owners have pepper spray for the same reason cops have batons and tasers.
They are aware that they may need a form of non-lethal self defense. Having pepper sprays means you don’t necessarily HAVE to shoot someone to avoid malevolence. You have an option. And because it is an option, you can still shoot someone if needed.
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Hence the pepper spray option.
1). Try to flee.
2). If that fails, use effective non-lethal force to enable you to flee.
3). If that fails, use effective lethal force to enable you to flee.
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Civilians usually avoid confrontation as a first step instead of charging into it with a grin on their face [twitter.com].
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One Amazon shopper named "Bill" left a 5-star review for the pepper spray May 31 and said "Put the cops down when they mess with you."
Yeah, that's why people are rushing to buy it, lol. OK.
max police strength? (Score:5, Funny)
I don't get it. How can pepper spray be made especially for a police officer? It's not like they're a totally different species.
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You need to read the ingredients carefully, though. Some cheaper brands are made with Artificial Police Extract.
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The containers are designed to fit on an equipment belt, rather than being smaller, lighter, single use, and designed for a lighter belt or keychain.
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While Trump is saying the usual eye-rolling, chest pounding silliness, this really isn't about Trump.
Nor is it about the Federal Government.
This is a problem at the State, City and County levels.
The Federal Government shouldn't have to step in and say " Hey, guys. You really need to tone the brutality down a bit. "
This is local governments and Law Enforcement failing to understand ( or just don't care ) what the root cause is.
That being: There are far too many people dying at the hands of those people are
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We all agree that the police need to clean up their ranks. But you ignored the parent post you responded to. Cleaning up the police is not a function of the Federal government, it's the job of the Governors and Mayors of the states and cities with the problematic police forces. Governors and Mayors, by the way, who are mostly Democrats.
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It's all the Democrats fault! MAGA! MAGA! MAGA!
You fucked up. If you hadn't said that I probably would have taken you seriously.
Everything I said is 100% true, and pointing fingers is POINTLESS and STUPID.
Do as I say. That fixes the problem.
Oh and by the way the vast majority of racist fuckstains in this country are Republicans.
Get rid of the racist, violent asshole cops.
Rewrite the screening process for prospective cops to keep the racist violent asshole OUT of law enforcement.
Overhaul the entire justice system in this country to get rid of r
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You're still ignoring the fact that it's not the job of the Feds to determine who gets to be your policeman. Obama couldn't do that in Ferguson. Neither can Trump in Minneapolis. In the interest of Liberty we should all be grateful for that, because a Fed policeman on a local beat would be a bad thing. Take up your concerns with your local politician.
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More fundamentally, I believe this is more about people who lack the maturity to manage their anger without directing it against other people or other people's property.
Freedom carries a responsibility. If you refuse to act responsibly, then you have no right to be free.
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FWIW, even Trump's supporters, largely, I think, have had enough of his shit. The GOP legislators have, that's for sure. He'll be out in November for sure. He'll kick and scream and threaten but in the end if they must the Secret Service itself will escort him out of the Whitehouse. Then the healing can begin.
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Looters are not protestors. They are scum and should be shot on sight.
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Those laws do not seem to apply to the police themselves. So I would not say we are a nation of laws. That is not correct.
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Looting is against U.S. law in every State of the Union, and looters will be dealt with harshly by law enforcement. As your President, I cannot strongly enough advise all citizens, during this time of unrest, to remain calm, respect the laws of this great nation, and be courteous and respectful of the men and women in law enforcement in your communities. Together, we will all get through this.
THAT is my idea of what a sitting President should be saying in the current situation, not what Trump said.
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The issue people are protesting about has nothing to do with Trump. He is a retard as usual because he is senile, but it is not like he ordered that cop to choke that guy to death.