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Social Media Becomes Battleground Over Days of Street Protests (wsj.com) 215

Social media has become a central battleground for the protests across the U.S., with tech platforms amplifying tensions while also providing a real-time chronicle of the riots and police responses that might not have otherwise gained widespread attention. From a report: A lone video of the violent arrest that led to the death of George Floyd posted last Monday on Facebook by a bystander, Darnella Frazier, has been shared by 52,000 people there and found its way to Twitter, Instagram and other social platforms, widening awareness of the episode. Since then, those outlets have been a tool to spread dissent and anger by those upset at Mr. Floyd's death and those disturbed by the sometimes violent actions of both protesters and police in cities across the country. Social media played a critical role in galvanizing the protesters through the quickly shared video around Mr. Floyd's arrest, said Alex Stamos, director of Stanford University's Internet Observatory. "It nationalizes local issues like this," he said, adding that "maybe 20 years ago this might have only been covered at the local press."

The unrest also has fueled an online battle over how they are viewed, said Nathaniel Persily, a Stanford law professor and co-director of the California university's Cyber Policy Center, said the riots also have turned into an online battle of opposing viewpoints. "There is a fight on social media as to how to portray the events on the ground," he said. In some cases, distortions are fanning the anger. One photo pairing widely shared last week purported to show Derek Chauvin, the police officer who knelt on Mr. Floyd's neck during the fatal arrest, having previously worn a red cap resembling those favored at President Trump's rallies but with the slogan "Make Whites Great Again." Twitter slapped a label saying "Manipulated media" on tweets containing the photos -- including one from the rapper Ice Cube that has been liked more than 148,000 times -- taking users to a post where it said several photos purporting to show Mr. Chauvin were of other people.

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  • There is no battleground unless you ask questions like "why" and "how" and "who benefits".
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by SirAstral ( 1349985 )

      Social Media is never not biased because it is filled with biased people that push agendas. But Social Media reveals reality.

      The fact that mob mentality never goes away and fighting against it requires massive effort. The usual name is Tribalism, but until leadership arises from these riots and control is established then these riots will serve no purpose other than to give government types even more excuses to crush more people. The sad state of affairs here is that the only way to get government types

    • by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @10:43AM (#60135540)
      Sure it's biased and used to push agendas, but it's democratized all of it. You used to need your own congregation, printing press, radio station, or television show to be biased and push agendas. Now all of us us plebs get to be biased and push agendas to a wider audience than has ever existed before.

      I'm being a little tongue-in-check, but it's also true to a degree. I also suspect that because this increases the amount of bias, agendas, propaganda, etc. that people are exposed to that they'll get just a little bit more resilient to those and all of the other effects of social media in the long run.
      • Sure it's biased and used to push agendas, but it's democratized all of it.

        In my opinion that is a very bad choice of words. Tribalism and democracy are antithetic, so social media are tribalism, the antithesis of democracy. The basis for democracy is the exchange and comparison of ideas and the affiliation on the basis of said ideas, so that the better ideas can win by acceptance and further the development of societies. Rhetoric, philosophy, logic, grammar studies were born in Ancient Greece and not Egypt or Mesopotamia or Persia or whatever exactly for this reason. What is goin

        • by Jack9 ( 11421 )

          > Tribalism and democracy are antithetic, so social media are tribalism, the antithesis of democracy.

          That is flat wrong. The ideas of tribalism and democracy are tightly bound. Shared interests are the motivators of democratic motivation.

          • by Jack9 ( 11421 )

            ...motivators of Democratic motion.

            * Mobile phones are the worse.

          • That does not make sense at all. Besides the fact that shared interests is a too vague and indefinite notion to be actually useful beyond the definition of immediate needs (and even in that case it is problematic), with tribalism the decisions are taken by the tribe chieftains and the tribesmen follow, with democracy the decisions are taken by the individuals and it is the society that follows the sum of the individual decisions (by the way, democracy is _not_ a dictatorship of the biggest minority). To us
      • I'm not convinced that the ones that are foreign agitators are participating in anything democratic.

    • by sycodon ( 149926 ) on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @11:10AM (#60135662)

      If you need to ask how to portray riots, then you are the problem.

      • If you need to ask how to portray riots, then you are the problem.

        When the protests in Ferguson happened, a lot of the supposedly 'smart' people right here on Slashdot had a very difficult time discerning the difference between protestors and looters. Basically it boiled down to the imagery of these protests and which iconic images dominated the coverage. Why is that even a thing? Can't they just show the facts? Sure. You ready to watch hours upon hours of footage from various sources? Don't answer th

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @10:19AM (#60135444)

    The echo and amplification chambers that Jack Dorsey and Zuckerberg created share a lot of responsibility for how things are going to shit right now.

    • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @10:33AM (#60135488) Homepage Journal

      Social media has its legitimate uses, but it's also an operant conditioning machine that rewards people for shoot-from-the-hip, inflammatory, and self-righteous responses. These are the immediately rewarding emotional experiences that drive user engagement numbers up. Making users more obstreperously narrow-minded is just a side-effect of making money on them the easiest possible way.

      What people actually need is something that makes them stop and question what they feel to be true in light of competing lines of evidence, but nobody is going to make billions doing that.

      • by rho ( 6063 )

        What people actually need is something that makes them stop and question what they feel to be true in light of competing lines of evidence, but nobody is going to make billions doing that

        Or as grandma used to say, "sweep your own porch first."

  • No easy way out... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by bradley13 ( 1118935 ) on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @10:35AM (#60135502) Homepage

    Protests justified, because in the US the police protect their bad apples. To many officers are under-trained and over-militarized. Everyone has a camera - they can't afford to keep screwing up, but their attitude and poor training means that they will.

    But smashing windows and stealing TVs has nothing to do with the protests and everything to do with the FSA [urbandictionary.com]. On top of that, the riots are being stoked by external groups. Just as an example: in some of the areas where protests turned violent, palettes of bricks were left handily in the streets (search YouTube for various videos documenting this).

    There's not going to be any easy way out. If this doesn't flare up into a literal insurrection this time, then it will the next time, or the time after that.

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by zferrini ( 666862 )
      You are totally blind. While I totally support the protest over George Floyds death at the hands of a rouge set of police officers. THe RIOTS are not part of the protest. This is a socialist group, ANTIFA, hijacking the issue. You being blind to that makes you an accomplice. When the riots start and you assitist you are just as bad for covering for them.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        Don't overlook the near certainty of foreign meddling on social networks. The Russian troll farms are likely enjoying a symbiotic assistive push by other actors, such as the Iranians, who even staged a vigil for George Floyd. This is a tragic event; a reminder of the systemic and uniquely American issue of slavery's legacy. Outrage at the arresting officers is justifiable, and frustration with the relationship between law enforcement and minority communities is understandable. Our adversaries would be f
      • Not everything is what it claims to be. Twitter suspended an account that claimed to belong to "antifa" and was pushing for violent protests. It actually belonged to a white nationalist group "Evropa", according to Twitter.
    • An insurrection is not going to flare up from this. We are no where near it. Many Republicans still approve of Trump and Democrat politicians are not going to be okay with losing their power over minorities getting murdered. Let me assure you that we are no where close to insurrection at this time.

      Police brutality and murders occur in Democrat territories just like Republican ones. The big lie here is that Democrat politicians care "more" about police brutality and that Republican politicians care "less

      • "An insurrection is not going to flare up from this"

        I'm not so sure, Trump wants to send the army to suppress by using a law passed in 1807 to allow the president to call out a militia to protect against "hostile incursions of the Indians" who coincidentally weren't white either.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        Police brutality and murders occur in Democrat territories just like Republican ones. The big lie here is that Democrat politicians care "more" about police brutality and that Republican politicians care "less" about them. I find they care about the same level, just in difference directions.

        In fact, Minneapolis has a Democrat Mayor and a Democrat Governor. This entire spark-point (Floyd's murder) occurred in a police department under complete Democrat control.

      • I was on a jury and we had one guy who strongly felt that the defendant must be guilty because otherwise why would he have been arrested. There was one other that sort of leaned in that direction but decided on not guilty with after presenting logic and the lack of evidence, but the original guy would not be budged and eventually he was dismissed after he had a conversation with the judge. So the point is, there are indeed a lot of people out there that when they see a confrontation between a police offic

      • An insurrection is not going to flare up from this. We are no where near it. Many Republicans still approve of Trump and Democrat politicians are not going to be okay with losing their power over minorities getting murdered.

        Nobody is going to feel assured by this statement.

        If you can't see how frightening it is that you would even have to say it, then you don't really realize what you said, or you're just full of shit that you don't think they're trying to do it in some city's right now.

        Police brutality and murders occur in Democrat territories just like Republican ones. The big lie here is that Democrat politicians care "more" about police brutality and that Republican politicians care "less" about them. I find they care about the same level, just in difference directions.

        The cops are Republicans even in places where the Democratic Party has a majority, and they refuse to hire more broadly from the community.

        You're not supposed to look at their behavior and ask how much they care, you're supposed to put yourself

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by sinij ( 911942 )

      Protests justified, because...

      Before we go any further with this discussion, can you please clarify what you consider protests? Do you consider looting, shooting at cops, and violence as protesting?

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        • It is a fair question even if they are "sealioning" here.

          Protesting in and of itself is justified, even if the elements inside of the protest are being abused by outside actors. Otherwise... you can always cancel out a protests justification by going in and sabotaging it.

          The form the protest takes is important, however, you cannot say that hurting the police in response to them hurting citizens is not justified. If you want people to see the light, unfortunately you have to do unto them, what they have do

          • I'm not sure how an argument over semantics is going help. I'd like someone to provide proof that this is a valid line of inquiry before continuing further.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            It's not a fair question because if someone turns up to your protest and starts looting or getting violent that doesn't diminish your complaint at all. In fact it re-enforces it, because looting and violence is what you get when there are serious problems being ignored and people have been angry for a long time.

            Sometimes rights need violence to move forward. The civil war, the Civil Rights Act, universal suffrage, the armed wing of the ANC and many other times in history, including The War on Independence.

            • by sinij ( 911942 )

              It's not a fair question because if someone turns up to your protest and starts looting or getting violent that doesn't diminish your complaint at all.

              I agree with that.

              In fact it re-enforces it, because looting and violence is what you get when there are serious problems being ignored and people have been angry for a long time.

              I disagree, as your rights to protest end at my rights to not get looted and violence enacted at me. No matter how justified your cause is.

              Sometimes rights need violence to move forward. The civil war, the Civil Rights Act, universal suffrage, the armed wing of the ANC and many other times in history, including The War on Independence. It happens when democracy fails to address serious problems.

              Yes, I will grant you point that violence is sometimes a necessary evil. However, by resorting to violence you also open yourself to violence. If you want less police violence, looting is not a good way to do it. Also, you can't be serious in comparing THIS to riots over segregation. Do you think this is even in the same category?

      • Spontaneous, unplanned violence by protesters directed at the police in response to unjustifiable police violence during an otherwise peaceful protest may have some kind of moral status as self-defense as well as being unavoidable due to large group social dynamics.

        Looting doesn't seem ever justifiable since it's an unjust deprivation of property. Looting is just a fancy word for stealing during a protest, although sometimes I ask myself if eminent domain isn't just very well organized looting.

        My takeaways

      • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

        by whitroth ( 9367 )

        Do I consider attacks by the cops protests?

        Or maybe you didn't watch TV last night, were, here in the DC area, I watched as military police and mounted park police used tear gas and flashbangs to force protestors from in front of Lafayette Park FIFTEEN MINUTES BEFORE THE CURFEW so that your snowflake coward could walk across the street for a photo op to hold up a Bible in front of the church... that had been vandalized... and the CHURCH issued a disavowal of that, and of him.

        Go away racist pig, back under t

    • by quantaman ( 517394 ) on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @12:32PM (#60136082)

      Protests justified, because in the US the police protect their bad apples. To many officers are under-trained and over-militarized. Everyone has a camera - they can't afford to keep screwing up, but their attitude and poor training means that they will.

      But smashing windows and stealing TVs has nothing to do with the protests and everything to do with the FSA [urbandictionary.com]. On top of that, the riots are being stoked by external groups. Just as an example: in some of the areas where protests turned violent, palettes of bricks were left handily in the streets (search YouTube for various videos documenting this).

      There's not going to be any easy way out. If this doesn't flare up into a literal insurrection this time, then it will the next time, or the time after that.

      The riots aren't being caused by external groups, they're being caused by the police themselves [fivethirtyeight.com].

      It's inevitable when you think about it. When you see a video of cops pepper spraying, assaulting, and shooting rubber bullets at peaceful protesters and journalists don't you feel righteous indignation? Don't fantasize about jumping in and saving the innocent by fighting off the bad cops? It's literally a movie scene.

      Now imagine you're actually at a protest against police violence and a bunch of cops show up making a big show of force, demanding that you submit to their superior physical power.

      Don't you think you'd be just a little tempted to stand up and show them they can't intimidate you?

      Sure I'm playing up the narrative, but the narrative works because the cops are doing their part to play the agressor.

      Compare this response to the anti-lockdown protests. People were walking around with military gear and assault rifles and even entering legislative buildings. They were playing out a fantasy about standing up to an unjust political authority. Now what do you think would have happened if police tried to break up those yahoos with riot gear, tear gas, and rubber bullets? You would have ended up with a mini-insurrection.

      If the cops had just kept their presence low-key and let the protesters protest there probably wouldn't be much rioting to report on, but US police seem to be obsessed with establishing their dominance over African Americans, and people tend to resist being dominated.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        It's the cops that are rioting. They came for a fight and when they don't get one they just start it themselves.

    • Protests justified, because in the US the police protect their bad apples.

      I can't even tell if the police are getting ready to round up and execute all the liberals or not. It is scary!

      What was that saying about bad apples? A few bad apples is OK, leave them there? Oh, wait...

      In Ben Franklin's time it was, The rotten apple spoils his companion.

    • I think a lot of the violent protests have to do with police departments abandoning the Madison Method [fivethirtyeight.com] for crowd control. It has 50 years of research, and is backed by the FBI [fbi.gov] along with more recent variants of the approach.

      There is an abundance of research and development on effective police tactics. It seems that some departments are not interested in improving, and just want to bust heads. Minneapolis seems to be the worst offender. [cnn.com]
  • Social media makes money from engagement, and nothing engages quite like incendiary dialogue, sensational images, and conflict.

    The United States is a country wracked by division. What it needs is a Nelson Mandela, but what it's got is Bunker Boy fanning the flames on social media. What a disaster.

    • by _xeno_ ( 155264 ) on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @11:53AM (#60135894) Homepage Journal

      Social media makes money from engagement, and nothing engages quite like incendiary dialogue, sensational images, and conflict.

      Well, no. They make money off ads, so they want to try and convince people to stay on the social media sites for as long as possible to show them as many ads as possible. And they've decided the best way to determine how to do that is through "engagement" and it turns out what generates the best "engagement" metrics are incendiary dialog, sensational images, and conflict.

      There's no real reason to suspect that higher "engagement" actually draws higher ad views. It's just that "engagement" is an easy metric to calculate: it's easy to count "shares" and "likes" and it seems logical that someone is more "engaged" with content that they share and like and is therefore more likely to come back to view more of it.

      Of course, maybe that same content pushes them away from staying on the site, because it's all they ever see. Maybe less "engaging" content would keep people on the site longer, because it would make the site less stressful. But since engagement is the metric they've optimized for, that means people optimize content for engagement. And that means "click-bait" and that ultimately means incendiary content.

      It's a lot like using "click-through" to determine the effectiveness of an ad. There's no real reason to think that an ad wasn't effective just because someone opted not to click on it. In fact, maybe an ad did convince someone to buy something, but not immediately, and not by clicking on the ad. But click-through is an easy metric to measure, and it seems like it should be related to effectiveness, so it's what people optimize for. Which is why you get ads designed to "trick" people into clicking on them.

      If you only measure one metric, people start to optimize for the metric, even if that metric is merely a stand-in for what you really want to measure.

      • They don't only make money from ads. They also make money profiling their users and selling that information. The more they can get users to interact with their sites, the better they can profile them and the information they can sell becomes more valuable.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Nelson Mandela co-founded the uMkhonto we Sizwe, the armed militant wing of the ANC. At the time the government called him a terrorist and he spent a long time in jail.

      So far the only armed group I've seen lately was a bunch of white guys upset that they couldn't get a hair cut.

  • I do....In fact I'm not on any social media....(Not) surprising how well that works.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by SirAstral ( 1349985 )

      You are a real genius aren't ya?

      Does it not occur to you that Slashdot is "Social Media"?

      • I don't think a website that has below 0.00000001% of the world population as registered members qualifies as "Social Media".

      • by laxguy ( 1179231 )
        Not OP, but I do not count Slashdot as social media. It is a news aggregation site that allows for commenting on articles, which frankly, it shouldnt because its rarely if ever quality (at least currently).
        • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

          Slashdot has a great feature for finding articles with higher quality comments. At the top right of every story is a little black speech baloon with a white number in it. The lower that number the higher the quality, at least for stories that haven't just been posted.

      • by shubus ( 1382007 )
        Nope! Semi-private forum.
      • Not enough kitty videos here to qualify as social media.
      • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

        I've always thought of Slashdot as antisocial media.

  • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

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    • But that is the risk you take when you let people goad you into violence. In a case like this... Ice Cube is right...

      "You better check yo self before you wreck yo self"

      People quick to violence are responsible for their own demises and I never feel sorry for them... be they government or citizen.

    • The media can no longer control the narrative. The era of Walter Cronkite making or breaking the public perception is over. Like it or not, but social media has made it possible for people to see=

      Older voters are far less likely to use social media as there primary news source and they have a significantly higher voter turnout rate. That completely ignores the fact that most people choose to listen to there own pre-established biases. A conservative is much more likely to see and believe a video of looters and think that all the protests are riots, while a liberal is equally likely to watch and believe a video of peaceful protests sabotaged and turned violent.

  • In those good old days without the Internet and social media, nobody except for some local newspapers took notice when that rather irrelevant Mr. Franz Ferdinand of Austria was shot in Sarajevo. Responsible journalists and politicians alike made sure this assassination by some lunatic was not blown out of proportion, and nobody would have thought of starting riots, let alone a war, over it. Visit the millions of crosses that were placed in many countries to commemorate this responsible and adequate handling
    • And your point would carry more weight if the US were a fragile patchwork of complicated treaties between kingdoms, intermarried royal families, and governments. We're not structured like 19th century Europe, nobody is. By the early 20th century that old structure was cracking and Europe was never the same again, with new borders and some countries completely swallowed up.

      Hopefully I'm not wrong in this, but my understanding is that the American Civil War resolved the question that States are not allowed to

      • by ffkom ( 3519199 )
        My point is not that the US today was similar to pre-WW1-Europe.
        My point is that the existence of the Internet or social media is not a prerequisite for people abusing arbitrary pretense to start riots or wars.

        And it is a common pattern in the media that whatever technology emerged in recent years is made responsible for arbitrary bad things.
    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      In those good old days without the Internet and social media, nobody except for some local newspapers took notice when that rather irrelevant Mr. Franz Ferdinand of Austria was shot in Sarajevo.

      Archduke Franz Ferdinand Carl Ludwig Joseph Maria of Austria, younger brother of Emperor Franz Joseph I, heir presumptive to the Austro-Hungarian throne? You're obviously being sarcastic but it's hard to see your point. In the past the killing of nobodies like George Floyd would have been shuffled under the carpet. If the rich and powerful got killed, then you send nobodies to kill nobodies to avenge their deaths.

      The latter is still true, how many hundreds of thousands have died for 9/11? Maybe it's the cyn

  • by jebrick ( 164096 ) on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @11:44AM (#60135850)

    “Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be—or to be indistinguishable from—self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.” --- Neal Stephenson

  • Unlike the real world where protests happen, etc, you can just turn off social media and the whole issue disappears.

    If someone post on social media and no one is there to read it, does it make a sound?

  • Protests? (Score:5, Informative)

    by onyxruby ( 118189 ) <onyxrubyNO@SPAMcomcast.net> on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @12:20PM (#60136012)

    Protests, sure they started that way a week ago. But where are you getting your news to think that they are still protests, CNN or MSNBC?

    In the real world these 'protesters' looted and or burned over 250 homes or businesses. Almost all of which were owned by minorities by the way - many of them immigrants. The majority of those were owned by Asians - which had nothing to do with the issue to begin with. If you've ever been to Brooklyn that is a good analogy for the neighbourhood where this started.
    https://bringmethenews.com/min... [bringmethenews.com]

    The arson related to the riots costs these families their life savings. Did you know that standard business insurance policies don't cover looting or rioting damage? The 'protesters' destroyed the families livelihoods as well as their life savings, however their debt will live on.

    The protesters also wiped out a lot of grocery stores and have now created food deserts in some neighbourhoods:
    https://www.startribune.com/mi... [startribune.com]

    These 'protesters' have attacked people with rocks, knives and bullets and some people have been murdered.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0... [nytimes.com]

    They have attacked cars with bricks, including throwing bricks off of freeway overpasses. This is something that can easily be fatal.
    https://www.nydailynews.com/ne... [nydailynews.com]

    The 'protestors' started cars on fire, sometimes with people still in them.
    https://www.syracuse.com/state... [syracuse.com]

    The situation started as a protest against the killing of George Floyd. This outraged the nation regardless of political party and were united in their anger over the matter. The cop who killed him has been arrested for days now and will certainly spend decades behind bars. He was a bad cop with a history of 17 previous infractions.

    Let's call a spade a spade, this hasn't been about George Floyd in almost a week. This was just an excuse for a lot of people who were angry, broke and bored from months of Covid lockdowns to go on a crime spree. Even Democrat Minnesota Governor Tim Walz finally came out and admitted several days ago that this was âno longer about the murder of George Floydâ(TM)
    https://www.theguardian.com/us... [theguardian.com]

    • I would also argue it speaks to the restraint of the general police force at large.

      If it were up to me, anyone seen vandalizing anything would be shot by snipers immediately. -- glorifying violence warning!

      Of course I was raised not to vandalize shit, and I appreciate living places where shit isn't vandalized. Tough rules to live by, I know.

      Sometimes you just accidentally vandalize a bunch of shit, it can't be your fault, it's probably the fault of the establishment.

      • Why are we choosing between looters and jackboots? Maybe we should focus on the protesters instead of getting distracted by obvious bait.
    • Re:Protests? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Anubis IV ( 1279820 ) on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @02:29PM (#60136674)

      The frustrating thing here is that you're espousing the exact same thing the "other" side is, just aimed at different people.

      One side has a tendency to overgeneralize by labeling all cops as the enemy. The other side has a tendency to overgeneralize by labeling all protestors as the enemy. Never mind that the vast, vast majority of cops go about their jobs as we would expect them to, seek to uphold the peace as they are called to, and never make the national news as a result. Never mind that the vast, vast majority of protestors are peaceful and non-violent, seeking to uphold the peace they say they want, and never make the national news as a result. Even my small-ish town has had protests, but they're barely even making the local news.

      The problem here is:
      1) Authority lends itself to abuse
      2) Confrontation (e.g. protests) lends itself to escalation

      As such, it's inevitable that when you're dealing with people on either side who are less than paragons of virtue, bad stuff will inevitably happen that needs to be dealt with, and we're not doing a good enough job of dealing with it, regardless of which side you'd put yourself on.

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      • You have some fair points that I largely agree with. Credit where it is due. For example there have been reports of some black protesters that shut down incidents of violence.

        https://www.redstate.com/brand... [redstate.com]

        That being said, every conservative I talked to or listened to was outraged by what happened to George Floyd. No one I talked to defended the cop, nobody. The protests had universal support in the beginning. The riots have shredded the temporary and that made racial tensions much worse instead of better

        • I do agree that it isn't right to refer to people who are engaged in rioting and looting as "protestors", just to be clear, and I think you're right that people have been overly-generous in applying the word "protestor" to people who are plainly rioting. That said, there are still people who are actively engaged in valid, peaceful protests, including in areas near where rioting is taking place, hence my concern about withdrawing the usage of the term altogether.

          I don't doubt that for many people this is ind

        • by seebs ( 15766 )

          Some people are, in fact, defending what happened to Floyd. Not many.

          A lot more are defending police attacks on unarmed, non-violent, non-looting protesters. A lot are defending police attacks on journalists. And yes, we're talking people they know are journalists, with press passes visible, in places where no other violence or anything is happening, and police attacking people.

          There are lots of protests which are not riots, and there have been quite a few which were peaceful until badly-trained police show

    • Let's call a spade a spade, this hasn't been about George Floyd in almost a week. This was just an excuse for a lot of people who were angry, broke and bored from months of Covid lockdowns to go on a crime spree.

      Bullshit. That a bunch of looting assholes are seeing their chance and grab it doesn't make everybody involved a bunch of looting assholes.
      Your logic is flawed.

  • So much for social distancing.
  • by Halo1 ( 136547 ) on Tuesday June 02, 2020 @02:12PM (#60136572)

    "It nationalizes local issues like this"

    The whole point is that it's not a local issue in the first place. It's widespread systemic issue that has existed in one form or another for centuries, and this was just a trigger.

    "maybe 20 years ago this might have only been covered at the local press."

    This actually suggests that social media is part of the solution rather than the problem, as many here are arguing (says someone whose only "social media" account is on Slashdot and who'd rather drop dead than get a Facebook account, but never mind about that).

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