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Tesla Model 3 Was California's Best Selling Car Through First Quarter (cnet.com) 191

Through the first quarter of this year, the Tesla Model 3 was California's best selling vehicle. CNET reports: Data from the California New Car Dealers Association released last week shows the Model 3 sold 18,856 units through March 31 of this year. The figure is greater than any rival car, and even trumps mass-market cars and crossovers. The car to come closest was the Honda Civic with 18,001 units sold in the same time period. The Toyota Camry (17,871 units), RAV4 (17,261) and Corolla (15,575) round out the top five cars through Q1 in California. The CNCDA categorizes the Model 3 in the "near luxury" category, which has it compete with cars like the BMW 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz C-Class. In its respective segment, the electric car blew rivals away. The 3 Series sits in second place with 3,437 units sold to the Model 3's 18,856. The Lexus ES (2,703 units), C-Class (2,199) and Audi A4 (1,099 units) fill in the final results, and it's clear, Californians dig their Teslas.
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Tesla Model 3 Was California's Best Selling Car Through First Quarter

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  • by MikeDataLink ( 536925 ) on Thursday June 04, 2020 @09:33PM (#60147144) Homepage Journal

    I'll probably get modded to hell for this, but I don't see how the legacy car makers can sell a car right now! The Tesla Model 3 is literally superior in every way to what they are producing.

    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by DogDude ( 805747 )
      I agree. I just test drove one for the first time yesterday, and it was awesome. The only reason I don't own one is because I think Elon Musk is an ass, and I don't want to give him any money. It's too bad he's such a jerk... I'd love to own one (and a CyberTruck!)
      • by ichthus ( 72442 )
        That is the most asinine reason to not buy a product that you like, especially since Tesla is a publicly traded company.

        (Disclaimer: I own a Model 3, and I fucking love it)
        • If you don't think externalities of your decisions affect you, you just don't think.

        • That is the most asinine reason to not buy a product that you like, especially since Tesla is a publicly traded company.

          And this is why libertarianism doesn't work.

        • I dunno... I don't pay to see any Tom Cruise movie for the same reason. I don't want to give him a cent of my hard-earned. (of course, I'm deliberately removing any comparisons about the quality of the various products either Cruise or Musk sells).
      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        I test drove one last year but it was too small. The car is very low, which is great for efficiency but means it is hard to get in and out of. You have to swing right down to get into the low seat, but the door sill is quite high for some reason (I guess to give the door enough clearance that you can open it next to a kerb). Then the wheel gets in the way of my knees as I try to slide into position... I need a taller car with more upright seating position.

        Once in it drove pretty nicely. Screen wasn't hard t

    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Fly Swatter ( 30498 )
      Range.

      Quick refilling.

      Stations everywhere.

      Fit and finish.

      Can tow while keeping reasonable range.

      Cheap to repair.

      Repair centers in every state.

      Sane leadership.
      • I hear the fit and finish are adequate now. Not everyone can be Audi, thank goodness. I'll give you everything else except sane leaders. It's not sane to build and sell environmental devastation machines if you have credible alternatives.

      • You factor in how well the CEO performs when buying a car?

      • Sane leadership.

        Americans don't demand sane leadership. It's never been part of our core values. I could cite examples if you need them ...

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        If that suits you then great. Personally I enjoy the benefits of driving an EV.

        Quiet, smooth ride.

        Excellent performance.

        Both fun to drive and relaxing to drive as I prefer.

        Rarely any need to go out of my way to charge, 99.9% done at home or while shopping.

        No handling smelly petrol.

        Saves a lot of money by not buying petrol.

        Nicer cabin than any fossil car (Honda e).

      • by kackle ( 910159 )
        I never see this brought up, but it's very important: Most cars aren't in garages, so how would you charge them? (Especially when they're being rained upon.) If you don't believe this, look at any urban area, or the suburbs where houses often have multiple vehicles.
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      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday June 04, 2020 @10:47PM (#60147474)
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      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        It seems that because the Model 3 sold well they abandoned their plan to make an affordable mode.

        For about 3/4th the price you can get a Kona, eNiro or Leaf 62 with similar or better range. For about half the price you can get a Leaf 40 which for most people is more than adequate. There are a few other cars around that price bracket too now, the MG ZS EV (catchy name) etc.

        I wonder if maybe it's partly down to California skewing things a bit. Wages are high there because it costs a lot to live there, so the

      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        Except for price, in which case it loses by a huge margin. If all you need is a vehicle that can get you from your home to your job and back, being half the price (or a quarter if you're buying used) is a big selling point.

        It depends.

        With a Tesla, you're paying a lot of expenses up front. With other cars, you're just spreading out the payments across the years. After all, you've got to pay for gas, oil, maintenance and other stuff.

        Sure, if you're a mechanic, you can save a lot of the cost, but if you're jus

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          For most people though it's not worth paying the extra for a Tesla over the many other EVs available. For about 25% less you can get a car with similar range, and for about 50% less you can get a car with less but still good range.

          Unless you do a lot of charging on the go it's not going to be worth spending 50% more to save an hour or two a year at most, and of most people the time saving will actually be zero.

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        • That's all true and it changes he value proposition significantly, but an economy car is still much less expensive to own than a Tesla Model 3. If you want cheap transportation and aren't expecting to drive far, then a used Leaf costs peanuts.
    • I'll probably get modded to hell for this, but I don't see how the legacy car makers can sell a car right now! The Tesla Model 3 is literally superior in every way to what they are producing.

      Are you joking, or are you serious? I mean, I've read the loonies on eletrek and greencarreports, but this almost sounds like something one of them would say.

      • Electric cars are NOT for everyone. But as a skeptic who finally, hesitatingly, bought a used Tesla S a couple years ago? I can assure you that yeah, they're superior in almost every respect. The Model 3 beats out the 2014 Tesla S I had in many metrics, including lower retail price, far greater range, newer battery technology (lets it recharge faster and probably last longer), better handling/cornering, and all the latest technology in it for autopilot/driver assistance type stuff. The main downside vers

    • by Richard_at_work ( 517087 ) on Friday June 05, 2020 @12:05AM (#60147644)

      I took a look at the Tesla Model 3 for my next car (which I'm still undecided about) and quite frankly the way legacy car makers can sell cars is because they are cheaper. Don't underestimate the power of cheaper.

      Here in NZ, the "600km range range" Tesla Model 3 (chosen because we would need the range) has a list price on the Tesla website of $97,000 NZD - but they cleverly hit you with a second price of $91,000 after deducting "estimated savings" based on reduced petrol usage. So the drive away price is $97k. Let's ignore electricity prices here because let's face it, its negligible - thats the benefit of an electric car after all.

      We picked up my wifes brand new Toyota Fortuna GLX, a fairly nice SUV to drive and it does everything we want, for $52,000 NZD brand new. It came with a 3 year manufacturers warranty and a 3 year service package built into the cost - so thats no annual service costs for the three year period. We just extended the warranty and maintenance package out to 5 years for another $3,000 NZD, so total cost on the car is $55k.

      We haven't replaced any major parts yet, nearly 3 years into the ownership, so theres still some unknowns there - ICE cars have more moving parts and are more complex overall, so I would expect to see more cost in maintenance the older the car gets over the Tesla. We have replaced the tyres (which I will call a wash with the Tesla, because the Tesla would need to do that also over the life time), and my wife has done about 60,000 KM so far.

      Here in NZ, we pay a tax (the Road User Charge) of $72 per 1000KM for this vehicle - so thats an additional cost of $4,320 for the Fortuna. From next year, electric cars also have to pay this tax, but I will ignore it for now for the Tesla.

      So the Fortuna is up to $59,320 NZD.

      We get roughly 700KM out of a tank (80 litres), which means we have put in roughly 6,800 litres of fuel during its life. When combined with an average diesel price of $1.20/litre over the past 3 years (being generous here toward the top end - diesel prices have been much lower than that but equally they could go higher over the next 2), that means we have spent $8,160 on fuel. Lets assume we will do a similar mileage per year as we have so far for the next 2 years, and tack on another 40,000km, and that gives us a cost of $13,500 on fuel for 5 years and 100,000km.

      So the Fortuna is up to $72,000 for purchase, maintenance and fuel. I'm sure there are other things I'm forgetting.

      $72,000 NZD for a good guestimate on 5 year ownership costs vs $97,000 NZD costs for the Tesla Model 3.

      I'm $25k better off buying the legacy diesel. Sure, I don't have the cool toy, its not a Tesla, but its a damn nice SUV with good boot space and 4WD. Then again, I'm not doing anything for the environment...

      If I was keeping the car longer than 5 years, the figures would certainly swing into the Teslas favour on fuel usage and maintenance costs - but that requires people to budget properly, and basically no one does that. It's going to be "what can I get financing for over the next 5 years", and when you look at it that way, $52K looks a lot more affordable than $97K. Remember that people don't consider things like fuel costs in their car purchase either - that $8k saving Tesla says you will have looks nice, but its going to come in at $50 here and $60 there over the course of the period they are estimating, which feels a lot less ... epic.

      So, do I spend an extra $40K upfront (even on finance) and go with the Tesla, or do I go and buy another legacy car? To be honest, even after I've done all the figures, I'd still like the Tesla (even a lowly "affordable" Model 3 - a Model X would set me back $160K here and is pretty much dismissed out of hand...)

      Please, go ahead and rip into my figures - I've rounded here and there, and I'm sure Im missing something so please go ahead and set me right on the figures. Help me make my case to the wife...

      • Re: (Score:2, Flamebait)

        And if you're in CA, it is even worse, because we pay between $0.15 and $0.50 per kWh [sce.com]; it's really not all THAT cheap to operate, when you look at a "fill up" of $30 for a 60 kWh battery.
        • And if you're in CA, it is even worse, because we pay between $0.15 and $0.50 per kWh

          Here in SoCal, literally half of the houses on my block have photovoltaic panels on their roof. They're crazy cheap and getting cheaper every month. I have 8KW worth up there that will have paid for themselves after 4 years of use, after which they're essentially free electricity. Another reason EVs are a good match for California: PV power for the EV.

          • They're crazy cheap and getting cheaper every month.

            That's actually stopping me from installing solar.

            Every time I run the numbers, waiting another year for the solar cost to plummet more offsets about what I'd save with them over the year.

            I just looked, and it looks like the estimated install cost in my area is down almost $900 from last year. We paid $1100 for electricity last year, but only like 75% of that is the actual electricity. The rest is all the other fees and crap that I'd need to keep paying unless I went totally off-grid. I saved more money del

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Do you really need all that range? If you do regular long journeys it might be worth it, but a quick look at some maps of chargers in NZ seems to suggest that they are not too sparse so it basically comes down to time saving.

        For a lot of people in the UK they might as well get an EV costing half as much as the base model Tesla because at worst they will end up spending a few hours a year more charging on long journeys. It's not worth spending 2x as much to save a few hours a year.

        I drive electric even thoug

        • Yes, we do need the range because of the nature of my wifes work (rural doctor, when on call cant wait for charging, need the range in the bank just in case). But even then, the legacy car still beats the cheaper lower range Tesla 3 base model on price, just not by as much margin.

          The rest of your comment was about other EVs or non-economical justifications for your choice - the comment I am responding to is specifically about how the Tesla 3 is so superior to everything else that legacy manufacturers cant

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            Ah okay, it seems like you do need the range. Would 450-500km be enough though? Because then you could get something like an eNiro or Kona for a fraction of the price.

    • It's the size of a Toyota Celica inside, and it's so heavy it drives like a boat.

      They're better than the 3 series or the Mercedes C, but most people don't want that kind of car. The Y will sell very well, though.

    • Teslas are freaking expensive, that's how other car companies can sell a car.

      Tesla is also misleading as hell in their pricing.

      The website lists the Model 3 as $33,690*

      The * is 'after calculating gas savings of $4300'. So it's $37,990 to buy it. They don't say how many years that gas savings is calculated over.

      And that giant-screen interior is just fugly. I hate center-gauge-cluster cars, and replacing them with what looks for all the world like an iMac glued to the dash is not an improvement.

      The cheapest

    • Dunno. In many cases, they don't even make the superior EV.
      Tesla got a lot of stuff right when it comes to EV tech, where many other manufacturers still struggle to get it right or even "get it" at all (I mean, a satnav that is able to plan long journeys with charging breaks should be basic kit on an EV). And Tesla have proven innovative in other areas as well. But I still ended up with a Hyundai Kona EV instead of a Model 3, simply because I prefered the interior and the way it handles, and it was slig
    • Tesla currently offers nothing appealing to me.

      I require:
      - Large trunk with space for the travel bench of our Golden Retriever
      - Towing capacity of at least 1200 KG
      - And the ability to tow extended distances (we travel with a caravan 1000-1200 KM in two days each summer)

      So yeah. If the model 3 was a station wagon it could become a contender. I'd still had to hire a gas car for vacations though.

      My wife may buy an electric car when her current car needs replacement. She only drives short distances with little

  • ...is that in 1Q 2020 predominantly only rich people could afford to buy cars.

    • by quenda ( 644621 )

      My takeaway is that most people are not buying "cars" at all, because the most popular cars are classified as "light trucks".

      In order to pretend their cars are fuel-efficient, most of the gas-guzzlers in Americas are now simply not covered by the same statistics or rules.
      This means SUVs and small pickups, as well as big chassis-based trucks, and these outsell vehicles classified as "cars" in the US.

      Still, nice to see the Tesla has out-sold even the Ford F-series in those figures. Well done.

    • ...is that in 1Q 2020 predominantly only rich people could afford to buy cars.

      I think you meant 2Q 2020.

  • The article doesn't match the data. To spin this as they did required a lot of creativity.

    Here's the data: https://www.cncda.org/wp-conte... [cncda.org]

    Page 3:
    Covering first quarter 2020, Market share for new vehicle brands
    Toyota, Honda, and Ford are Market Share Leaders

    Page 4:
    Market share for Q1 20, Tesla: 4.6%

  • but my apartment has no chargers, so I'll continue burning gas

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