Twitter Flags Trump Tweet of Protesters For Including 'Threat of Harm' (thehill.com) 382
Twitter added a warning to one of Trump's tweets today threatening protesters seeking to establish an "autonomous zone" in Washington, D.C. The social media company is labeling it as a "threat of harm." The Hill reports: "This Tweet violated the Twitter Rules about abusive behavior. However, Twitter has determined that it may be in the public's interest for the Tweet to remain accessible," reads the advisory added to Trump's tweet. The president had tweeted Tuesday morning that any attempt to establish an "autonomous zone" in the nation's capital "will be met with serious force." Twitter added a notice roughly six hours later stating the tweet violated its policies.
"We've placed a public interest notice on this Tweet for violating our policy against abusive behavior, specifically, the presence of a threat of harm against an identifiable group," the platform said. "Per our policies, this Tweet will remain on the service given its relevance to ongoing public conversation," Twitter added. Users can no longer like or reply to Trump's tweet, but they can retweet it with comment, according to the platform.
"We've placed a public interest notice on this Tweet for violating our policy against abusive behavior, specifically, the presence of a threat of harm against an identifiable group," the platform said. "Per our policies, this Tweet will remain on the service given its relevance to ongoing public conversation," Twitter added. Users can no longer like or reply to Trump's tweet, but they can retweet it with comment, according to the platform.
This has to be taken seriously (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't know what these wackos in the autonomous zone are doing. When I go the pacific northwest it always seems the kids are bored and unemployed are doing something silly, mostly spending the day smoking weed, making Cheech and Chong look like productive citizens.
But we do have a constitution, which set broad freedoms on what we do in an otherwise civilized county, so if they are not actively intimidating anyone, like the right wing terrorists did the other day in Bethel, just leave them alone.
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You and I must be in an entirely different PNW then. Remember that up here is Microsoft HQ, Amazon HQ, Facebook, Google, Intel, and many other tech giants (plus other multi-national non-tech companies like Starbucks HQ). These companies all produce some of the highest earners in the world, both per-capita of employee, and highest single earners. That isn't exactly what I would call "unemployed", especially now with the pandemic, and all of these jobs transitioning to WFH with ease, unlike other industries.
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That isn't exactly what I would call "unemployed", especially now with the pandemic, and all of these jobs transitioning to WFH with ease, unlike other industries.
Not to defend the "Cheech and Chong" guy, but...
Washington unemployment numbers. [wa.gov] Worse than the national average.
Oregon unemployment numbers. [oregonlive.com] Worse than the national average.
Hate to burst your bubble, but the PNY isn't faring all that well in terms of employment.
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That's the funny thing. I live very close to CHOP. Everything you see on FoxNews and what comes out of the president's mouth is not happening. It's basically a bunch of hippies sitting in a park and painting everything.
Trump is actively trying to make it seem worse so he can politicize it. It's sad. Right now because of his rhetoric, we have white militia's threatening to come into Seattle and "take care of the issue."
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Liar.
There has been murder, rape, theft, vandalism, assualt and battery. Lawless savages need police to stop them with whatever force is appropriate, incarcerate them, and then the courts can handle them if they survive suitable application of force (e.g. hypothetically one of them attacks the police with a weapon)
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Re:This has to be taken seriously (Score:5, Insightful)
Got it . . . it's Trump's fault that someone was murdered at 2:15 AM in a literally lawless (by choice) downtown completely void of police. Not the cowardly Mayor's, or the asinine criminals you guys call your city council who purposefully encouraged and directly inflamed the whole situation, not the subhuman animals who prevented the police from helping by threatening them with violence, and certainly not the people who actually pulled the trigger over whatever stupid thing a 19 year kid was murdered over in cold blood.
I mean, I have no love for Trump at all, but do you guys, like, ever listen to yourselves? With your skill in gymnastics, you could make the Olympic team.
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This all started because of the Black Lives Matter protesting police brutality. We were having a huge rally.
The police got involved to manage the protest and you can guess what happened next. Things kept escalating. Go figure, you can't manage a protest against police brutality with police. The mayor did something very smart, she removed the police out of the equation and things really relaxed. It was fine for a few days. The protesting went on and it was peaceful. It's only four city blocks and a pa
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Total lies. Drop by at about midnight by yourself. See how you like it then.
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Uh wrong. You can't shut down public road ways, with out a permit. You can't keep emergency services out of an area when people have been shot. You can't threaten people (extort) for protection. You can't overrun a police precinct, oh wait you can if your mayor says the only way to have peace is for the police to leave, but still illegal.
This is what is in Seattle right now in the CHOP. (mostly at night)
If this is what President Trump is saying will never happen he is correct in saying it. He is sayin
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> But we do have a constitution, which set broad freedoms on what we do in an otherwise civilized county, so if they are not actively intimidating anyone, like the right wing terrorists did the other day in Bethel, just leave them alone.
Finally a true Slashdoter. Someone with an opinion and no fundamental understanding of what is going on. I applaud your effort to hold yourself to the high standards of Slashdot.
Now... for everyone else:
There's been (3) shootings incidents in CHAZ and at least (1) death
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You're being foolish. It's the job of the mayor and the police to enforce the local laws. They can ask for outside help, and this is done when necessary. It's not the job of the president...and he has no right to claim it.
That said, autonomous zones don't work. This has been proven repeatedly. But often the best way to convince people is to allow them to prove it true by experiment. I think Seattle's mayor probably took the right approach.
The real problem is that for many people their experiences with
Re: This has to be taken seriously (Score:3)
Trump didn't have a problem with the Bundys gathering together a bunch of armed people, occupying federal property, and getting into a month-long armed standoff with Federal agents. Hell, he even pardoned them!
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The counterargument to your claim was posted above by "mi".
You are repetitive and boring.
What the fuck! (Score:5, Insightful)
The Police are force. Just saying I am going to call the police is a literal threat of harm itself.
What the fuck kinda whacky world are we in?
People in power telling someone at any time that there will be consequences to actions is a threat of harm... it happens every fucking time a politician speaks about law!
This is just tripping and getting stupid. Whether you like or hate Trump Twitter is just making a caricature of themselves here. What a joke.. .nothing harms your message more than to overplay your hand and water it down to the point where people no longer take you seriously.
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Here is the terribly threatening tweet in question:
There will never be an “Autonomous Zone” in Washington, D.C., as long as I’m your President. If they try they will be met with serious force!
Simple statement of fact. One that probably 90% of Seattle residents wish their local leaders would support but can't say so because they'll get fired/beat up/burned out by leftist thugs and thought police.
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Twitter's response cannot even be called free, in the sense of them exercising their free speech to add disclaimers or even stop a post. Not when it is in a context of politicians threatening to hurt them via 230 changes, or even a breakup of the company itself.
I like to think it is as they say, and not the silencing of political enemies on behalf of powerful government interests holding a sword of Damoclese over their head.
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The same whacky world where twitter suspended accounts for telling journalists to learn to code. Saying that to coal miners is just fine though.
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Yea, the double standards are always there, it's in infuriating when only one side gets to trash talk with impunity. It's one of the reasons that more speech is the correct response to speech you don't like rather than going down the suppression route. It's only going to end horribly for the people that did it.
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The Police are force. Just saying I am going to call the police is a literal threat of harm itself.
Only in the USA is calling the police a threat of harm.
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The Police are force. Just saying I am going to call the police is a literal threat of harm itself.
Only in the USA is calling the police a threat of harm.
No, that's what it is everywhere. I don't care what kind of unicorns and fairies land you live in, the police are force. They will likely try to be nice about whatever it is (even in the US), but ultimately you either do what they want or they force you to do something, often at the barrel of a gun.
The idea that Trump is "threatening" them is laughable. Yes, he's telling them that the part of the government that deals with idiots like them will be put into play legitimately if they continue what they're
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The right hates free speech when it's used against them, and loves it when it protects them.
It's a little transparent, guys. We get it -- you can't compete in the marketplace of ideas without a massive handicap.
What a joke.. .nothing harms your message more than to overplay your hand and water it down to the point where people no longer take you seriously.
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He says enough stuff that's explicitly, unequivocally against the rules that they really don't need to tag the borderline cases like this one. It only serves to dilute their warning.
I wish I could say it would piss people off enough that some of them stop using Twitter, but you know they'll continue to use it and just bitch about how terrible it is.
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Twitter users - similar to crackheads! They just can't quit.
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Re:What the fuck! (Score:4, Informative)
They give Trump a huge amount of extra leeway. Someone set up an account that just tweets out exactly what Trump tweets and it got banned within weeks. Same on Facebook.
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I didn't realize Obama was number 1, that must be killing Trump.
As you say it's probably down to money alone, even if they claim public interest.
La la la... (Score:2)
La la laa, nothing makes sense anymore. I can't wait until we allow feelings to trump science. Maybe THEN that bullshit law of gravity can be taken off the records!
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...after all, it's just the man holding us down!
Slashdot (Score:2)
Or Trump's twitter feed, you decide.
Twitter may be free, but it is no longer free. (Score:5, Informative)
-What's a twitter?
Just stop paying attention to them (Score:4, Insightful)
If you want to defund them then remember, you are the product.
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-What's a twitter?
A fitting statement. Last time I heard it it was from a computer company pretending computers didn't exist.
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Not the sharpest pencil in the box, I see.
Twitter isn't funded by taxpayer dollars, so you can only 'defund' them by deleting your account, avoiding the website, and boycotting their advertisers.
But you won't because you need your daily taste of mushroom. Thus, twitter lives on. Your hypocrisy fuels the machine.
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Next time don't assume things before thinking you won an argument and name calling. Arrogant and ignorant is no way to go through life.
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If twitter wants to be the speech police, maybe it is time to de-fund them as well.
Hear, hear! Let's remove all public funding of Twitter, forthwith!
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The idea is simply to stop police buying military surplus gear
The police don't really buy military surplus gear. Typically, it is transferred to them free of charge (or at very little cost) under a DOD program that has existed in one form or another for decades.
Does mental harm also count me in? (Score:2)
Wrecking my brain why a toddler replies more toughtfully :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
The world is a fake (Score:2, Funny)
The tweet (Score:2)
Interesting that the warning got full play, but the ACTUAL Trump tweet was chopped.
Reproduced in full here:
There will never be an “Autonomous Zone” in Washington, D.C., as long as I’m your President. If they try they will be met with serious force!
America (Score:2)
I thought the whole country was an autonomous zone.
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Indeed, sir.
Freedom is not only never really free, it's downright inconvenient for the republic.
Yet without it, there's no representative republic... and, totalitarian regimes certainly perform better in many aspects of life, including the pandemic.
"Would you trade all the days from then to now, for one chance to be foolishly free???"
What about embassies? (Score:2)
this is getting very meta (Score:2)
Nothing has actually happened here. Sure, there is an actual situation in Seattle playing itself out but that hasn't changed much from where it was yesterday. Then some loud guy has tapped out some words about what MIGHT happen with that scenario onto his phone and they've been published on a public forum. Some people like those words and some people don't. We then start having an argument about who likes the words and who doesn't. Now I am making a comment about the argument about the liking or the not lik
Legal liability on "Tech Corp", warn of a threat (Score:2)
More unrealistic than PBS Kids content (Score:4, Insightful)
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Announcing an appropriate police response (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, ok, I do. It's, "That's the biggest load of BS I've heard in a while. Twitter is expressing a partisan bias in an election year, calling into question the validity of section 230 protections."
Re: The left wing adherents have declared war (Score:5, Insightful)
Thats like saying Roosevelt declared war on Japan on December 7, 1941. The war had already started, he just confirmed that there were now 2 sides fighting it.
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Re:The left wing adherents have declared war (Score:5, Insightful)
The ability to protest is an essential part of Democracy. Take that away, you have a dictatorship.
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Peacable protest, and even civil disobedience are a long tradition. Did you know that part of civil disobedience is being arrested?
It's different from thuggish vandalism.
Re:The left wing adherents have declared war (Score:5, Insightful)
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Most is the incorrect term. If you go against the blue line they tend to ruin your life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] is a good example
Re: The left wing adherents have declared war (Score:3)
Yeah, THAT guy who did his time and paid his debt to society and was supposed to move on? THAT guy who was actually innocent in that event?
I guess since everyone in the US has done something illegal, we all should get they same treatment. Or better yet, let's just tattoo "criminal" at birth because they will eventually be one anyway and will be treated as such for the rest of their lives. If through some miracle, they end up being an angel, we can add "not a" to it so God knows which way to send him.
USA:
Re: The left wing adherents have declared war (Score:3)
Yes you nitwit, "innocent"! Those things were 10 YEARS ago!! And he did his time that we, the society, said he should pay. He paid his dues. Are you of the opinion that former criminals should never have redemption? I am a criminal for life because of a speeding ticket 5 years ago? Or jaywalking 3 weeks ago?
Irrelevant, the guy didn't have warrants nor was on parole. There was NO justification to treat him any differently than how any cop should treat you or me.
But again irrelevant! Let's say he has a w
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Funny that, when some people want to protest, they have to file for a permit [cbslocal.com] — months in advance — which can be denied on variety of grounds.
But others can — with your enthusiastic approval — just come out, and you're even willing to forgive them some arson and robbery...
False dilemma.
Re:The left wing adherents have declared war (Score:5, Insightful)
In calmer times, there are those of us who view things like protest permits, including denials because of the sophistry of not enough porta potties, as unconstitutional infringements.
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Why? What effect were you looking for since 1980?
Racial equality. What do you think these protests are about?
Re:The left wing adherents have declared war (Score:4, Insightful)
What you want is an equality of outcome, which you will never see in your lifetime, no matter what happens.
People are different from birth and growing up. They are able to use their different talents and be free or they aren't. They will be a little more equal, but a lot more poorer that way. And peace, liberty and justice for all is out of the window, then.
Repeat: People are different from birth and growing up. If it is DNA or upbringing / culture or all of them, is irrelevant. If you doubt differences from birth, you doubt evolution. If you doubt differences from upbringing and culture, you doubt humanity and are contradicting yourself, because you'd have to accept any argument from any culture, which you probably don't.
Is evolution real?
Are some cultures more successful than others?
A no to any of these questions and you're in an unsolvable logical dilemma.
Re:The left wing adherents have declared war (Score:5, Informative)
This isn't controversial.
*proceeds to link to absolutely bonkers conspiracy theory claiming that cops were doing the looting and destruction in Minneapolis*
Re:The left wing adherents have declared war (Score:4, Insightful)
Going to the nation's capital and declaring a piece of territory independent of the government is not "protest" - it is sedition. Don't get all precious about "the right to protest is an essential part of democracy".
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Why spelling matters (Score:2)
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Seizing a piece of a country and declaring it independent from the rest, denying all those resident at that local their citizenship and obviously, if you do not approve at the location, driving you out of beating you up or killing you. When the governments warns against that it is not a threat and Twitter has stepped way out of bounds, declaring themselves above the law and supporting sedition, pretty bloody brave for a profits first corporation that thrives on bullshit (the content of twitter).
Trump has to
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So in other words he'd be doing this sort of thing [washingtonpost.com], but he very certainly didn't do that sort of thing, despite popping right out after the thing in order to have a photo op before ducking back inside.
Got it. Not a dictator. Just retroactively protecting a Church from something that happened the day before, and
Re:The left wing adherents have declared war (Score:5, Insightful)
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Wow. You can use Wikipedia, good on you.
Let's see, FDR was invited, LBJ was invited, and JFK used it to enforce a final decision of the U.S. Supreme Court.
So, any of those happened this spring? No?
Dictator.
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But when armed ranchers attempted to seize 150000 acres of land [apnews.com], that was just protest. Send in the military to stamp out the family [wikipedia.org], right? That's your standard?
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Did Trump do it yet?
I don't know.
Under a dictatorship, you'd have no recourse against such actions. You have, and a) no such actions have even taken place, b) people have not been interrupted when looting, destruction of public infrastructure and private businesses. If your argument had merit, the streets were riddled with dead bodies of looters. The streets aren't, they're riddled with broken glass from shop windows and the looters are at home admiring their new Air Jordans and TV sets.
What you describe as
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I'm the one willfully ignorant of history? How about you answer the question.
As for detachment from reality, I'm fully engaged with reality. Especially come November 3, 2020. So much campaigning to do....
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He'd be silencing anyone that says something he disagrees with (sort of like the so called anti-fascists are doing.
You mean like firing prosecutors that investigate his friends? You mean like stamping confidential labels on unfavorable press? You mean like buying silence with non-disclosure agreements? You mean like threatening to undermine re-election efforts?
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He specifically said "protesters" were the target. And he said they would be "met with force". He may have said other things at other times, but your excuses for him don't fit this time.
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I'll just leave this here:
https://www.businessinsider.co... [businessinsider.com]
https://www.justice-integrity.... [justice-integrity.org]
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Sick mind? What would you call this [independent.co.uk]?
You can stop wasting your time and ours with tone arguments now.
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It's all a circus created by the megacorporations to the shit they want uninhibited.
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Wow. Not giving a megaphone to violent hate-speech from Nazis is now a "war on democracy"?
SMH.
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"declared war on democracy and law"... that war was already declared by the President some years back. You didn't expect the people living on that land to get involved?
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I'm going to laugh my ass off when he's not only out of office, a one-term POTUS, but indicted for tax evasion in New York state
The king siccing the investigation arm of government on annoying political enemies is not something to be proud of.
Having said that, Trump, Mr Lock Her Up, deserves what he gets coming.
Would that anyone learn from the past sordid 3 years, other than doubling down on their idiocy to do this, showing the wisdom of the founding fathers in things like the 4th and 5th Amendments.
Re:lol - threatening violence on twitter (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: lol - threatening violence on twitter (Score:4, Insightful)
Or who you are. Unarmed protestors cordoning off a park? Threatened with violence by Trump. Getting into an armed standoff with federal agents over land rights for grazing cattle by taking over federal property? That gets you a pardon from Trump.
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The Bundys were charged with arson, setting fire to federal land. They then took over, trashed, and damaged a federal building that they squatted in for over a month. And I'd rather deal with people throwing rocks or bottles and people armed with long guns.
Re: lol - threatening violence on twitter (Score:4, Insightful)
Land — not buildings or vehicles.
A remote hut [wikipedia.org].
Actually attacking anyone is illegal, even if it is done with "only" rocks and bottles. Carrying weapons with you, however long they may be, is not illegal at all.
You also omitted an important detail — the culprits entered into a plea deal over those arsons, and served the time set by the judge accordingly. The government then reneged on the deal — and demanded, they be sentenced to the statutory minimum of five years. This controversy is why Trump pardoned them.
Re: lol - threatening violence on twitter (Score:3)
Took over implies they refused entry to the legitimate authorities of the Parks service. They did not, which is why the charges against them were so paltry in the first place. As for why the charges that were filed in that instance were dismissed, as well as similar charges in the ranching case, that is because of government corruption and the fact that the group at the lodge was so riddled with federal agents that the fibbies et al refused to identify their agents or admit which parts of the plan were init
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So...we can't mark spam as spam anymore then or meta-moderate here on Slashdot (ie "marking up")?
Just to be clear, what you are proposing actually breaks the first amendment since it will hinder someone from making a commentary.
Btw, why do people think 230 needs modification because someone breaks the TOS on a site?
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That goes completely against the purpose of section 230. Do you even know why we have those protections, and how essential they are to a functioning web? Do you know how devastating that idiotic modification you propose would be to virtually every online service that hosts user content?
Thank god we have better minds than yours in charge here. You'd destroy the damn internet to protect a petty wannabe dictator's feelings. Not even the extreme right Trump diehards in congress would be dumb enough to suppo