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Twitter Takes Down 7,000 Accounts Linked To QAnon (cnn.com) 277

Twitter has removed thousands of accounts linked to QAnon, a group known for spreading conspiracy theories and disinformation online. From a report: "We've been clear that we will take strong enforcement action on behavior that has the potential to lead to offline harm," Twitter's safety team said late Tuesday in a tweet. "In line with this approach, this week we are taking further action on so-called 'QAnon' activity across the service." More than 7,000 accounts have been removed in the last several weeks, according to Twitter. It also expects that additional actions it is taking to limit the reach of QAnon activity on its platform could affect 150,000 accounts worldwide. QAnon began as a single conspiracy theory. But its followers now act more like a virtual cult, largely adoring and believing whatever disinformation the conspiracy community spins up. Its main conspiracy theories claim dozens of politicians and A-list celebrities work in tandem with governments around the globe to engage in child sex abuse. Followers also believe there is a "deep state" effort to annihilate President Donald Trump.
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  • by BringsApples ( 3418089 ) on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @11:10AM (#60319035)

    ...go find out what QAnon is.

    • Re:quick everyone... (Score:5, Informative)

      by Thelasko ( 1196535 ) on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @11:16AM (#60319061) Journal

      ...go find out what QAnon is.

      I'll save you a Google search. [theatlantic.com]

    • A medieval encyclopedia of medicine by Aviqenna?
    • Re:quick everyone... (Score:5, Informative)

      by Nidi62 ( 1525137 ) on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @12:04PM (#60319311)

      ...go find out what QAnon is.

      It's a conspiracy theory group that started with Pizzagate and 4chan, has now been heavily commercialized with merchandise, and counts among its supporters high profile people like Michael Flynn and his son, several GOP representatives running for election this year, and many police such as the head of the NYPD police union who recently gave an interview with Fox News with a QAnon mug clearly placed behind him. QAnon primarily deals with the so called deep state and Trump's fight against it and is notorious for offering "predictions" that have never come true and yet seems to just add more and more followers.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        There was a study a while back that found most QAnon "secret messages" were consistent with someone mashing a QWERTY keyboard.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I'll save everyone the trouble. It's the latest name which agent provocateurs in Russia are using to sweep up useful idiots in the West to do their bidding for them to try and damage whatever Western country they reside in.

      Movements like the alt-right, anti-vaxxers, qanon, are just the same old bullshit. A tiny irrelevant minority of idiots riled up by propaganda tactics as old as propaganda itself and then their voices amplified by Russian security services until the Western media hear about it and turn it

      • The only question I have is when our own media will stop being part of the process by supporting that amplification.

        As long as it keeps bringing in the clicks and money, never.

    • by nospam007 ( 722110 ) * on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @12:51PM (#60319575)

      "...go find out what QAnon is."

      Are you crazy? Do you want us to land on the same watch-lists that you are?

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Not me. If I try to find out what every group of morons the planet has to offer is, I would not have time for anything else.

  • Outcomes (Score:5, Insightful)

    by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @11:14AM (#60319053)
    If you think banning accounts that deal with crazy conspiracy theories are going to get people to stop believing them you're even more insane than they are. All this will do is convince people that there must be some truth to it and make them cling on even more.

    Just let people freely discuss it and point to all of the absurd shit and inane predictions that failed to manifest and maybe people will start to come to their senses.
    • by DogDude ( 805747 ) on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @11:24AM (#60319101)
      I don't think that Twitter is trying to convince anybody of anything. They're trying to get more advertisers by getting rid of some of the crazy stuff on their platform.
      • If the point is to make Twitter not be a cesspool, the only hope is shutting it down and destroying all backups.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by whitroth ( 9367 )

      Sorry, no. This is working to stop idiots from screaming 'FIRE' in a crowded theatre.

    • Re:Outcomes (Score:5, Insightful)

      by jenningsthecat ( 1525947 ) on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @11:28AM (#60319125)

      If you think banning accounts that deal with crazy conspiracy theories are going to get people to stop believing them you're even more insane than they are. All this will do is convince people that there must be some truth to it and make them cling on even more.

      I tend to agree with you, but I'm also concerned about the contagion of these claims. They're like a viral load - people who aren't yet infected may encounter a small amount of the 'information' and either shrug it off or catch a mild case of irrational paranoia. Some people who get dosed with a lot of it stand a chance of getting onside and becoming one of the full-on zombies. As you point out, banning accounts is a double-edged sword - but so is not banning them.

      Just let people freely discuss it and point to all of the absurd shit and inane predictions that failed to manifest and maybe people will start to come to their senses.

      I have approximately zero confidence that will happen - can you point to something in your own experience that might change my mind? I could use some optimism right now, but I'm having a hard time finding rational justifications for it.

      • This. (Score:5, Interesting)

        by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @12:00PM (#60319285)
        Go watch the Netflix movie "The Brainwashing of My Dad". In it a woman chronicles how her apolitical dad turned into a rabid conspiracy nut when his commute changed and he spent a year listening to right wing talk radio. Qannon is another step in that pipeline.
        • Everyone who’s a “conspiracy theorist” got sucked into it the same way. The only danger in this situation is those who thus feel people need to be protected from themselves, and therefore controlled and not allowed freedom. See every oppressive government ever.

          The other problem is the term conspiracy theory used to be reserved for things almost unbelievable and a reasonable person would assume it’s not true in the first place. The prevailing (left-leaning) media of the day though
      • Re:Outcomes (Score:5, Interesting)

        by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @12:54PM (#60319607)

        I tend to agree with you, but I'm also concerned about the contagion of these claims. They're like a viral load - people who aren't yet infected may encounter a small amount of the 'information' and either shrug it off or catch a mild case of irrational paranoia. Some people who get dosed with a lot of it stand a chance of getting onside and becoming one of the full-on zombies. As you point out, banning accounts is a double-edged sword - but so is not banning them.

        Pretend we're in a world where Twitter has decided to ban accounts that are raising concerns about global climate change. Today it seems incredibly unlikely, but if Twitter had existed decades ago, it could have been possible. Not only is it a double-edged sword, but it's one that can be wielded against truth equally as well as it can against nonsense. Just as I agree with the proposition that it's better for ten guilty men to be set free than for one innocent to be falsely imprisoned, I also believe it's better to let inane conspiracy theories exist rather than for a single truth to be suppressed mistakenly.

        I have approximately zero confidence that will happen - can you point to something in your own experience that might change my mind?

        I can't speak for your own life personally as I know nothing of it, but I'm sure you've had some recent experience where you changed your opinions about something. Perhaps you can step back and think in general about times in the past you've done this. Do you feel it was the result of having access to information and to be able to look at multiple points of view or some other cause.

        One specific example I like to point to is that of Daryl Davis [theguardian.com] who has probably done more to change the minds of people who presumably have some strongly held beliefs than anyone else I can think of. I'm sure there are plenty of people whose minds he didn't change, or didn't change immediately, but I'm willing to bet that if he'd just screamed to ban or remove these people that he'd have changed exactly no minds. If outright banning were effective, we shouldn't see neo-nazis in Germany where their freedom of expression is far more limited, and yet they still exist. Just because something is out of site doesn't mean it's gone. [dw.com]

        Perhaps another way of thinking about it is by likening it to your immune system. We could probably do a good job of keeping you isolated from any infection by putting you in a bubble of sorts. But that only works to the extent that you can keep up the barrier forever, and if it should be breached even a minor infection could be far more dangerous for you than a typical person because your immune system has never really developed. There's even some research into the worry about exposing children to potential allergens ultimately leading to an allergy [nih.gov] because the body never became accustomed. The mind is similar in the sense that if you remove all situations where people need to engage reasoning ability to be able to make a decision then they won't be able to do it when something slips through.

        My own personal tendencies and ability to dismiss all of this and other such claptrap are largely because I have looked at a lot of conspiracy theories (largely out of curiosity) and my brain is better at spotting the bullshit. It's dealt with it before and can easily handle it, just like my immune system can trivially filter out of a lot pathogens.

        • Re:Outcomes (Score:4, Interesting)

          by jenningsthecat ( 1525947 ) on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @01:32PM (#60319815)

          Pretend we're in a world where Twitter has decided to ban accounts that are raising concerns about global climate change. Today it seems incredibly unlikely, but if Twitter had existed decades ago, it could have been possible. Not only is it a double-edged sword, but it's one that can be wielded against truth equally as well as it can against nonsense. Just as I agree with the proposition that it's better for ten guilty men to be set free than for one innocent to be falsely imprisoned, I also believe it's better to let inane conspiracy theories exist rather than for a single truth to be suppressed mistakenly.

          You've made a good point, and I'm partially convinced. But for me there's a parallel between well-funded and focused disinformation campaigns on social media, and corporate misbehaviour and abuse. Just as I don't agree that corporations should enjoy the same status and rights before the law as individuals do, so I don't think that anonymous agenda-driven organizations posing as individuals should have the same speech freedoms as regular citizens. So i guess I'm saying that I support Joe Sixpack's right to say whatever he wants on whatever platform, but I don't support the right of shadowy behind-the-scenes organizations to manipulate the ideascape in that way. I don't know what the answer is to differentiating between the two though.

          I have approximately zero confidence that will happen - can you point to something in your own experience that might change my mind?

          I can't speak for your own life personally as I know nothing of it, but I'm sure you've had some recent experience where you changed your opinions about something. Perhaps you can step back and think in general about times in the past you've done this. Do you feel it was the result of having access to information and to be able to look at multiple points of view or some other cause.

          Yes, that has happened a lot to me, and thanks for the reminder.

          One specific example I like to point to is that of Daryl Davis [theguardian.com] who has probably done more to change the minds of people who presumably have some strongly held beliefs than anyone else I can think of. I'm sure there are plenty of people whose minds he didn't change, or didn't change immediately, but I'm willing to bet that if he'd just screamed to ban or remove these people that he'd have changed exactly no minds. If outright banning were effective, we shouldn't see neo-nazis in Germany where their freedom of expression is far more limited, and yet they still exist. Just because something is out of site doesn't mean it's gone. [dw.com]

          Thanks for that reminder too - I'd forgotten about Daryl Davis until you mentioned it, and that story is cause for hope.

          Perhaps another way of thinking about it is by likening it to your immune system. We could probably do a good job of keeping you isolated from any infection by putting you in a bubble of sorts. But that only works to the extent that you can keep up the barrier forever, and if it should be breached even a minor infection could be far more dangerous for you than a typical person because your immune system has never really developed. There's even some research into the worry about exposing children to potential allergens ultimately leading to an allergy [nih.gov] because the body never became accustomed. The mind is similar in the sense that if you remove all situations where people need to engage reasoning ability to be able to make a decision then they won't be able to do it when something slips through.

          Do you also tend to think of these things in terms of immune systems

        • Pretend we're in a world where Twitter has decided to ban accounts that are raising concerns about global climate change. Today it seems incredibly unlikely, but if Twitter had existed decades ago, it could have been possible. Not only is it a double-edged sword, but it's one that can be wielded against truth equally as well as it can against nonsense.

          Then people would have boycotted twitter.

          QAnon can boycott twitter too. But what I suspect is the case is that there are 1,000,000 bots and 200,000 real people. So the bots boycotting Twitter will have a small effect and very few real people would leave.

    • But they hurt my feelings and I’m not capable of putting my phone down!

      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward

        But they hurt my feelings and I’m not capable of putting my phone down!

        Wait...Trump's posting on /.?!

    • by cb88 ( 1410145 )
      I mean the problem isn't the theories themselves... its the people that accept them as fact without any evidence at all.

      Some of these theories may actually be true... I mean as far as child abuse its pretty well accepted that that occurs regardless of any conspiracy theories. The problem is when specific people get accused without any grounds.
    • Re:Outcomes (Score:4, Insightful)

      by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @11:59AM (#60319277)

      The issue though is it takes far, far, far more effort to disprove these theories than it takes to make them up. It becomes an impossible game of whack-a-mole.

    • Re:Outcomes (Score:4, Interesting)

      by nomadic ( 141991 ) <nomadicworld@ g m a i l . com> on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @12:01PM (#60319289) Homepage

      "If you think banning accounts that deal with crazy conspiracy theories are going to get people to stop believing them you're even more insane than they are."

      Do you base this on any actual research? Deplatforming is effective at fighting extremist/conspiracy theorist views; allowing insane ideas to be debated makes people think there is validity in them.

    • Re:Outcomes (Score:5, Interesting)

      by dcollins ( 135727 ) on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @12:03PM (#60319299) Homepage

      Re: "Just let people freely discuss it and point to all of the absurd shit and inane predictions that failed to manifest and maybe people will start to come to their senses."

      The evidence very solidly shows that this doesn't work.

      MIT study on Twitter in 2018 -- "We found that falsehood diffuses significantly farther, faster, deeper, and more broadly than the truth, in all categories of information, and in many cases by an order of magnitude".

      http://news.mit.edu/2018/study-twitter-false-news-travels-faster-true-stories-0308 [mit.edu]

      • That's hardly surprising. There are countless ways that something can be false or wrong, but only one way for something to be true. I've heard phrases such as "A lie can run half way around the world before the truth can get its boots on" or similar statements that date back to well before the founding of America so I'd like to think that this is merely evidence for something that humanity has long realized or held to be true.

        The truth also has the disadvantage of often being banal and unappealing or ev
    • by ljw1004 ( 764174 )

      Just let people freely discuss it and point to all of the absurd shit and inane predictions that failed to manifest and maybe people will start to come to their senses.

      Do you have any evidence for this claim? My impression is that it's false -- that people tend not to come to their senses. But I don't have evidence either, which is why I'm caveating it.

      • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 )

        Just let people freely discuss it and point to all of the absurd shit and inane predictions that failed to manifest and maybe people will start to come to their senses.

        Do you have any evidence for this claim? My impression is that it's false -- that people tend not to come to their senses. But I don't have evidence either, which is why I'm caveating it.

        Some people realize that it's all BS and walk away. But when predictions don't come true the rest just say "they had to put out some fake ones for operational security" and keep on trucking.

      • by PPH ( 736903 )

        that people tend not to come to their senses

        And yet it's these same people that you are expecting to elect our next leadership this fall. And if that's the case then you'll be better off admitting that this is all a battle of ideologies being fought at the Washington Post/Breitbart News or Twitter/4chan levels. Bow down and worship your actual leaders.

    • Re:Outcomes (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Darinbob ( 1142669 ) on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @01:09PM (#60319695)

      Probably not. The Flat Earth Crap society was almost dead when it had to rely upon mimeographed newsletters, but has made a resurgence with the internet, and a huge resurgence with social media and video. The easily availability of facts, figures, science, and information on the internet has not killed this idiotic belief at all, instead we have huge bubbles of alternative facts and information.

      There is a highly gullible public that feels that watching a video is the same thing as getting the facts (or as conspiracy theorists say "doing your own research"), and they can't distinguish between what's credible and what's bullshit. What they do see are highly placed politicians who are not disagreeing with the conspiracy theory groups, and in some cases agreeing with them or naming them as reliable. We have a president who was the number one proponent of an absurd conspiracy theory for many years. So a gullible public that doesn't know how to find or determine what is true, and figures of authority who are pushing lies.

      • by Shotgun ( 30919 )

        And you're not a member of those highly gullible public. It is credible that black men are being hunted down by police? Is it credible that the US was formed to protect slavery? Is it credible that the MeToo cadre want to "believe all women", unless one accuses Joe Biden?

        Face it. You don't mind Twitter goring QAnon, because you don't support their conspiracies; but, you'd be up in arms if they started goring your bull.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Darinbob ( 1142669 )

          Quite a lot of the formation of the US was indeed based around slavery. Not entirely, but it was one of the important issues for disassociating with Great Britain and a front and center topic during the creation of the constitution. "The Great Compromise" was greatly influenced by the issue of slavery, as the counting of slaves as 3/5s of a person for apportionment was a part of that compromise as put into the constitution, and the addition of the senate gave the south a balance of power with the north.

    • Re:Outcomes (Score:4, Insightful)

      by thegarbz ( 1787294 ) on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @02:50PM (#60320117)

      If you think banning accounts that deal with crazy conspiracy theories are going to get people to stop believing them you're even more insane than they are.

      People believe what they read. By limiting the spread of the message you limit the number of people who fall prey to misinformation. No those people won't be any smarter, but they may as a result accidentally not believe some bullshit they no longer stumble across on the internet.

  • Excellent! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by NecroPuppy ( 222648 ) on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @11:20AM (#60319071) Homepage

    Now they just need to do all the Nazi accounts next.

  • Don't worry, they've got 9... 8... 7 more fingers in reserve.
  • It's a laundry list of things they want to do when they're out of power.

    There's one mode the modern right has been stuck on for decades now; Rovian projection of every cruel desire they have, to pretend that all the bad they want is just as bad in everyone else.

    Most classically aggressive regimes do this in history. Everyone in the game of playing dirty says the reason they act so badly, is because they don't want the other side to act badly, and are just playing the game. Power mongers pretending everyo

    • It's also a 'mantra' they recite to attempt to silence their opponents, by attempting to shame them; 'people in glass houses..' No one is truly innocent, it's sad but true, and while it's true that both sides of the political aisle are guilty of one thing or another in the past, it's still disingenuous for supporters of one side to attempt to silence the other with the 'your party is just as bad' attack. It's ad hominen at it's very worst.
      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        Everyone is guilty of something. That is just the human condition. And it is the reason why Ad Hominem is a fallacy: It is meaningless.

  • Ban anti-vaxxers (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mveloso ( 325617 ) on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @11:44AM (#60319211)

    The Anti-Vaxxers have had actual, negative consequences in the real world, unlike QAnon. Why not ban those fuckers? Is it because the deep state thinks they're harmless? Hahaha.

    • The Anti-Vaxxers have had actual, negative consequences in the real world, unlike QAnon.

      Changing how people would have voted otherwise isn't a real world consequence?

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by Sumguy2436 ( 6186944 )

        That's what this is really about: Qanon might have convinced people to vote for the "wrong" candidate, so they had to be banned.

        Another day, another politically motivated ban wave on social media. Expect more of this in the coming months.

      • by PPH ( 736903 )

        Changing how people would have voted otherwise isn't a real world consequence?

        Twitter isn't a major forum for QAnon and its followers. Banning it may provide more political fodder for them by claiming persecution than the few votes lost.

    • by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @12:05PM (#60319315)

      If you haven't noticed the venn diagram of Q and anti-vax overlaps pretty hard. Qanon has become sort of the unifying theory of conspiracies. The flat-earthers, lizard people and clone thinkers all take part in it. It can be whatever people want it to be.

    • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 )

      The Anti-Vaxxers have had actual, negative consequences in the real world, unlike QAnon.

      When you have police publicly displaying support for something that is clearly a conspiracy theory and politicians running on a platform that specifically represents that conspiracy theory, you're in negative consequences territory.

    • you can report them and they'll eventually be removed. But there are so many it's hard to keep up.

      Keep in mind that there's a threshold of reports & views where they don't bother. If an anti-vaxx post gets 2 views and 1 report then it's probably not worth caring about. Again, given the volume you have to pick your battles, and you can't just auto ban anyone reported or it gets abused.
    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      You want to ban stupid? How would you do that? Gas chambers? Because there really is no other way and that one is unacceptable for obvious reasons.

  • There actually is a large coordinated affort to get rid of Trump. There is also a large effort to get rid of every other politician too. Their called elections and election campaigning.
    • There actually is a large coordinated affort to get rid of Trump. There is also a large effort to get rid of every other politician too. Their called elections and election campaigning.

      This is *not* the same...or if it is, it's even worse.

      As a garden variety disclaimer, I am *not* a Trump Supporter. I didn't vote for him in 2016, I'm not voting for him in 2020, and the single best thing he could do for this country before the election is to stop Tweeting.

      That being said...if it were merely a matter of campaigning, banning Qanon is an incredibly oblique way of doing it. I mean, I submit that bans and algorithmic tweaking with the intent of swaying an election is *far* more insidious than j

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Trump is not the problem. The people that voted him into office are. And getting rid of them is basically impossible.

  • by clawsoon ( 748629 ) on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @12:14PM (#60319361)
    The biggest problem with the marketplace of ideas is that exciting bullshit is cheap and easy to generate, while truth tends to be expensive and slow to generate - and there's no guarantee that the average person will find truth interesting or even be able to understand it. Even gem of truth that's uncovered by painstaking scientific or journalistic effort is easily covered over by mountains of inexpensive bullshit that requires only an active imagination and a Youtube channel to generate.
    • That isn't a problem with the marketplace of ideas. It's a problem with humanity in general. The marketplace of ideas is the tool we use sift through the muck to find those gems. Sure it's inefficient, but it's better at finding gems than anything else we've tried.

      • I think it's a problem for all marketplaces where evaluation of the product isn't easy and quick. Compare to, say, the marketplace for chairs: You can evaluate a chair pretty quickly just by sitting on it. You might not be able to determine whether it's a great chair that'll last for a century or an okay chair that'll only last for a year, but you can at least tell whether it's a chair or a pile of bullshit.

        The marketplace for ideas is more like the marketplace for baby formula. You can't tell before

        • Maybe government regulations, maybe trusted sellers who have built a reputation of eliminating the bullshit from the ideas they sell or the melamine from the baby formula they sell. Either way, the marketplace has a problem that needs to be solved somehow.

          Yes, we have plenty of these information aggregating institutions (various news agencies, universities and government orgs) but for a functional marketplace of ideas, you have to have both these trusted organizations and open forums that are not subject to such gatekeeping restrictions to act as a check against abuse of their power to influence.

  • So a growing group of superstitious people form a community to preach their absurd irrational believes, and at some point this collides with the interests of other influential groups in society. Sounds like what happens every single time a new religion is founded. Too bad the only idea to counter that has been and still is trying to silence the believers. This did not succeed multiple times in history. But hey, it costs less money than providing free education, so let's make that mistake again and again.
  • FBI uncovers al-qaeda plot... [theonion.com]

    But I guess the real question is are we just doing it to ourselves, or are there those outside the US who are fucking with us?

    • by Nidi62 ( 1525137 )

      But I guess the real question is are we just doing it to ourselves, or are there those outside the US who are fucking with us?

      Both

  • Human beings seem hard-wired to want what they've been told they cannot have. When you censor something, people respond a bit like cats; their curiosity ramps way up and many of them not only NEED to see it, but they often begin to play with it. Just about the worst thing one can do with conspiracy theories, of ANY sort including JFK, Moon Landings, Flat Earth, the Masons and Bilderbergs, etc is to ban them for the vary act of banning/censoring feeds directly into, AND VALIDATES the conspiracy. I cannot gra

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