Sweden Bans Chinese Telecoms Huawei and ZTE From 5G Networks (axios.com) 42
Sweden banned Chinese telecom giants Huawei and ZTE from its 5G mobile networks on Tuesday, citing China's "extensive intelligence gathering and theft of technology." From a report: Since the Trump administration announced its own ban last year, the U.S. government has increasingly pressured allies to follow its lead amid growing tensions between the West and China. In July, the United Kingdom became the first European country to announce plans to exclude Huawei from its networks by 2027. The Swedish government has given telecom companies until 2025 to remove Huawei and ZTE equipment from their infrastructure. "China is one of the biggest threats to Sweden," said Klas Friberg, head of Sweden's security services. He said Beijing's "extensive intelligence gathering and theft of technology, research and development" is key to its economic and military development, according to the Financial Times. "This is what we must consider when building the 5G network of the future. We cannot compromise with Sweden's security."
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Clearly this means Sweden is pro Trump. Can't have that. CANCELED!
Why are you bringing trump into this discussion? This has nothing to do with him...
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Trump is the third word in the summary, genius. Whoever wrote the article brought him into this.
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Clearly this means Sweden is pro Trump. Can't have that. CANCELED!
Damn, and I was going to hit up the Ikea store for some quick meatballs and potatoes on the way home.. Scratch that.. And I guess it's time to take that flat-pack "assembly required" computer desk back...
Oh, and NO MORE milk chocolate and holey cheese.
He's ruining everything!
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As countries ban Chinese equipment, they provide political cover for other countries to do the same.
But in Sweden's case, the ban looks self-serving since Sweden is a big producer of networking equipment.
Re:Sweden as a [Telecom] market is of no consequen (Score:4, Interesting)
As countries ban Chinese equipment, they provide political cover for other countries to do the same.
But in Sweden's case, the ban looks self-serving since Sweden is a big producer of networking equipment.
Actually, it is a result of China being increasingly aggressive politically as well as an increase in malicious network traffic from China being picked up by the Swedish version of NSA. Before this change of behaviour, China was an excellent partner to Sweden, investing heavily in both national relations and industry.
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Sure, but given one of the companies involved, Huawei, has a record of ripping off network equipment [wsj.com] it's more a question of "why has it taken Sweden so long?". I mean you could argue it's self serving to keep a known thief out of your house just because you like to keep your computer from being stolen, but some other people might just call it wise.
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Well, the reason that universities develop things like that is so that they get taken up by companies. Stanford makes a ton of money from patent licensing. I think you'll have to show a bit more than that to make a US company using technology developed by a US university equivalent to actually copying the operating system software (IOS) built by another company and using it directly on your router.
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As countries ban Chinese equipment, they provide political cover for other countries to do the same.
But in Sweden's case, the ban looks self-serving since Sweden is a big producer of networking equipment.
Cannot argue with that without data.
I tried finding actual data from credible sources of Chinese companies using tech to spy on people. I cannot.
However, an oppressive government running a mercantile economy, these accusations ring true. THAT is a problem for the Chinese - NOT mine.
I meant to say: (Score:2)
They do in fact spy on their own populace.
PLEASE: Prove me wrong!!
Chinese companies are not actually private (Score:4, Informative)
I tried finding actual data from credible sources of Chinese companies using tech to spy on people. I cannot.
My google search gave me these as the top few hits:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
https://www.bloomberg.com/news... [bloomberg.com]
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/h... [cbsnews.com]
However, an oppressive government running a mercantile economy, these accusations ring true. THAT is a problem for the Chinese - NOT mine.
Yep. And, also, Chinese companies are not actually private [thediplomat.com], but are under the control of the Chinese Communist Party.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/22... [cnn.com]
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https://www.techdirt.com/artic... [techdirt.com]
then later https://www.reuters.com/articl... [reuters.com]
or for a short update https://hackaday.com/2019/05/1... [hackaday.com]
As far as know no evidence of any compromised supermicro motherboards has ever been found.
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None of those "discredit" the story, they're just people denying it, mostly just useful idiots waving their hands at how absurd that spy stuff sounds.
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My google search gave me these as the top few hits:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
https://www.bloomberg.com/news... [bloomberg.com]
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/h... [cbsnews.com]
Your first link contains no evidence of compromised equipment.
Your 2nd link is to a completely discredited report and a shameful example of garbage journalism from Bloomberg.
Your 3rd link is pure conjecture by someone paid to spread FUD.
Re: Sweden as a [Telecom] market is of no conseque (Score:1)
It's not like the CCP wouldn't do it and would play fair.
But they have also hacked Swedish companies and if I got things straight taken advantage from collaboration with ABB to develop high voltage transformers and such.
Why should either of USA or Sweden support a theif who don't respect intellectual property, fair open free market?
Re:Sweden as a [Telecom] market is of no consequen (Score:5, Informative)
Sweden is among countries/markets that China can afford to lose as its population is less than 1/100 that of China.
As a result, conclusion can be drawn that as a market, it is of no consequence.
A different conclusion would be that Sweden has a domestic company that can provide 5g networks (Ericsson), and a that a neighboring country also has one (Nokia, Finland), and that in this case there's no need to depend on China. There's also a history of Huawei/Chinese industrial espionage against Ericsson.
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Ericsson (Score:4, Insightful)
This is only a badly camouflaged state handout to Ericsson, by removing two bothersome competitors. If the Swedish government had been serious about data security, they would have banned US-made equipment years ago.
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Better to be beholden to 1 superpower than 2. They're solidifying their spot in the westward sphere of influence, rather than the east. Just like the previous cold war.
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This is only a badly camouflaged state handout to Ericsson, by removing two bothersome competitors. If the Swedish government had been serious about data security, they would have banned US-made equipment years ago.
What US made equipment are you thinking of?
US Equipment for 5G (Score:2)
This is only a badly camouflaged state handout to Ericsson, by removing two bothersome competitors. If the Swedish government had been serious about data security, they would have banned US-made equipment years ago.
What US made equipment are you thinking of?
Specific to 5G:
Cisco (for the 5G core).
The parts of Nokia that used to be Lucent and Motorola (telco, not phones).
HPE
IBM Mainframes and Power Systems & RedHat.
Altiostar (RAN).
Just to name a few.
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Maybe they talk of the Cisco routers the NSA compromises [arstechnica.com]?
Re: Ericsson (Score:1)
USA is a strategic ally and part of the free capitalist market.
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If the Swedish government had been serious about data security, they would have banned US-made equipment years ago.
Was the NSA spying on Ericsson on behalf of Motorola?
Everyone spies, but more and more China is crossing the line.
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This is only a badly camouflaged state handout to Ericsson, by removing two bothersome competitors. If the Swedish government had been serious about data security, they would have banned US-made equipment years ago.
No doubt you are correct. Ericsson is likely responsible for this, having lobbied for China's ouster.
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This is only a badly camouflaged state handout to Ericsson, by removing two bothersome competitors. If the Swedish government had been serious about data security, they would have banned US-made equipment years ago.
Evidently, you, single-handedly, are more knowledgeable than a large number of organisations that focus exclusively on activities of the Chinese state actors and their coercive diplomacy.
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The decision wouldn't have gotten all the way from the Swedish military intelligence to the executive branch of the government without someone along the way realizing that China might retaliate. After all, Ericsson supplies [ericsson.com] nearly 50% of the Chinese mobile network, and 10% of the fixed network market.
If there even was an intent to favor a domestic company, it seems more likely that it led to delaying this decision.
Why do business with a genocidal regime? (Score:3, Insightful)
The CCP is evil incarnate. Protect yourself or they'll destroy you.
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In that case, doing business with the USA is also a bad idea.
Good call.
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Find the Russia Report yet?
Aren't you ever curious why you're parroting that bullshit you're parroting? Don't you wonder who fed it to you?
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Found Russia interfering with elections again.
And again
And again.
Ever get curious why Trump keeps saying that there's no collusion with the people who own him? Don't you wonder what he's going to do for Putin for $800M so he can cover his debts?
Its simple to prove if China's cheating (Score:1)
All you have to do is put a packet sniffer - if even one packet is being routed to China illegally - you have the proof.
As for China stealing technology - where are the companies already making 5G that are competing with Huawei.?
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All you have to do is put a packet sniffer - if even one packet is being routed to China illegally - you have the proof.
As for China stealing technology - where are the companies already making 5G that are competing with Huawei.?
Um... That's not exactly the issue..
It's not stuff that phones home regularly, but stuff that can rapidly be configured to phone home through some security patch or software load in the future, or some convenient hole be placed at the right time and place... All sorts of risks here when you let somebody control software in your phone network. All that stuff is supposed to be hugely reliable and there isn't much security built into that 1980's signaling technology it's all based on.
Besides, you are nuts i
Better ban Datang too (Score:2)
lest they find out too late that they have chinese 4G and 5G RAN on their network.
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Do as I backdoor, not as they backdoor. It's a classic question of do you want to be a top or a bottom.