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Cult Expert Predicts QAnon Adherents Will 'Get Angry and Exit' (nbcnews.com) 343

"From my time studying cults and helping followers escape them, I can reassure you that QAnon will disintegrate in the United States over time if effective measures are taken if and when Trump is defeated," writes prominent mental health counselor Steven Haasan: When cult adherents get confused, then ashamed, then realize they've been scammed, they get angry and exit. While some followers may continue to believe in the cult for some time — especially if they stay in an information silo — eventually contact with family and friends who care about them and others who have escaped from cults can and will help people come back to themselves. People are not permanently programmed, despite what some pundits and politicians may say. Like fashions and fads, movements end.

How do we dismantle a dangerous cult safely and turn this into yet another American fad as embarrassing as bell-bottoms, polyester and pet rocks? By dismantling the power of its mythology so people who have been pulled into it return to independent thinking. Fundamentally, QAnon is a mind virus, and we must bring the rate of transmission down. For starters, stop mocking QAnon and calling it a conspiracy theory; it is a psy-op, an intentional online cult movement aimed at recruiting and indoctrinating people into an all-or-nothing, us-vs.-them, good-vs.-evil frame. It is important to understand that QAnon believers think they are heroes and believe they are aligned with a righteous cause. We must take them seriously and build a rapport of respect. In other words, agree and amplify that human trafficking is bad and wrong. Then show legitimate groups fighting trafficking... Reclaim this issue and demonstrate that QAnon is talking about it but does nothing, while others are taking action to make a difference...

[W]hile QAnon promoters are currently being removed from the internet platforms they use to spread their propaganda and interact with adherents, as they should be, this approach will only temporarily disrupt and slow down new recruits, rather than help anyone exit. In fact, these moves can validate followers' beliefs that they are being persecuted, while a large percentage of cult members will simply be directed to alternative platforms... The key to helping these folks out is more respectful interaction — not cancel culture, demonization or mockery. People need to be able to exit with dignity. We need to find ways to allow people to return to society with their humanity intact, in a way that honors the very real questions that led them to look toward alternative answers in the first place.

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Cult Expert Predicts QAnon Adherents Will 'Get Angry and Exit'

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  • An inside story (Score:4, Interesting)

    by quonset ( 4839537 ) on Saturday October 24, 2020 @08:44PM (#60644760)

    This story [cnn.com] is the true account of someone who was scammed by the Qanon cult. His most telling statement:

    The theory's believers "always fantasize that they are saving children and they're bringing criminals to justice," View says. "But QAnon only hurts people. It has helped nobody."

    They're like the Evangelicals who have their ministers spout off that they must vote according to Christian principles*, yet willingly ignore the adulterer who has had multiple affairs, lies repeatedly and bears false witness against others because only they know the truth.

    Unfortunately, like most cults, it will hang around a long time, poisoning society with their deranged ramblings.

    * Those were the literal words I happened to hear today on the radio. Don't ask why I was listening to an Evangelical station, it was an accident, but a hilarious one at that.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Vinegar Joe ( 998110 )

      Well hell. CNN. Sure can't doubt them, now can we? Kinda like doubting the Pope.

    • Don't ask why I was listening to an Evangelical station, it was an accident, but a hilarious one at that.

      Brought to mind some of the, to say the least, interesting stuff I heard on shortwave radio stations back when i had a receiver.

  • by Iamthecheese ( 1264298 ) on Saturday October 24, 2020 @08:57PM (#60644812)
    Q Anon is a load of garbage from all I've heard of him. and the theories of his followers. But this concerted and organized attack from all the mainstream sources at once are making me take it more seriously. Also Epstein did not kill himself.
    • Also Epstein did not kill himself.

      Also Bill Clinton is corrupt, but that doesn't mean he goes around killing people (he doesn't).

      Better to get your information from other sources besides QAnon, then you don't have to filter out the shit.

    • by longk ( 2637033 )

      History repeated itself. The media made Trump president and now they're making Qanon the biggest cult ever.

      The media claim to be pro-Democrat, but really they're pro-revenue. And that's something Trump and Qanon do very well.

  • by sideslash ( 1865434 ) on Saturday October 24, 2020 @09:27PM (#60644886)
    The article says NOT to use cancel culture against Q-Anon, but also fully approves of social media banning anything related to Q-Anon. Sorry, but being banned from social media equals cancel culture. It is generally deemed as one of the most drastic forms of cancel culture in use today. That alone makes this article an incoherent mess.

    What Q-Anon adherents really need, is to learn how to think critically and rationally, and to detect logical fallacies. And of course all of us need that. I disagree with the article that mockery is 100% inappropriate. Mind you, I agree that mindless, schoolyard taunt style mockery is inappropriate, however rational deconstruction is absolutely a good idea, and sorry, but nobody is going to read this stuff if it isn't funny.

    The article's tying Q-Anon to Trump was unnecessary, and made this read like a not to subtle Biden campaign ad. With very few exceptions that seem to be tied to individuals with mental illnesses, Q-Anon is largely harmless as wacko conspiracy theories go. It's not an emergency. Trump can serve another four years and we will all be just fine, at least as far as Q-Anon is concerned. Banning its adherents from social media is unnecessary, and like most form of censorship, just makes them into "martyrs" and confirms their worst fears about the vast cabal of conspirators.
    • What Q-Anon adherents really need, is to learn how to think critically and rationally, and to detect logical fallacies.

      Yeah, well how exactly can we get them to learn that?

      • It doesn't come naturally to most people. I think we need more STEM and less fluff in our schools. Kids should be taught how to analyze a syllogistic argument, then assigned to critique things like advertising (suitable non political), and taught to question everything they see and hear.

        There aren't really any shortcuts to learning how to think critically, so unfortunately this isn't exactly a workable solution to the problem at hand. You can't squeeze blood from a turnip.
    • The article's tying Q-Anon to Trump was unnecessary,

      Except that Trump is the central figure and saviour in their whole insane web of conspiracy theories, and he himself has goaded them on. It would require careful and deliberate omissions to not tie QAnon to Trump.

      • I agree with what you're saying, however the thrust of the article was the urgency of getting rid of Q-Anon (which I question) not so subtly morphing into urgency to get rid of Trump. Color me skeptical that Q-Anon really ruffles the jimmies of the article's author. I think they are politicking against Trump. I could be wrong.
        • If you don't like conspiracy theories leading people to live in fictional alternate realities and vote in ours, then you won't like QAnon or Trump, they're almost two sides of the same coin.

    • Sorry, but being banned from social media equals cancel culture.

      Your definition of "cancel culture" is clearly different from the guy in the article. He does explain what he means if you read the whole sentence: "The key to helping these folks out is more respectful interaction — not cancel culture, demonization or mockery." See? He says "these folks." He's talking about a difference between how to deal with an organization and misinformation vs. how to deal with individuals.

      I don't think there's any real definition for the term "cancel culture," it's just a ph

    • by ljw1004 ( 764174 ) on Saturday October 24, 2020 @11:05PM (#60645120)

      The article says NOT to use cancel culture against Q-Anon, but also fully approves of social media banning anything related to Q-Anon. That alone makes this article an incoherent mess.

      ??? The article made exactly the same point that you made. It did not "fully approve". It gave qualified approval, with the exact same caveat that you made. Here are the words of the article:

      Similarly, while QAnon promoters are currently being removed from the internet platforms they use to spread their propaganda and interact with adherents, as they should be, this approach will only temporarily disrupt and slow down new recruits, rather than help anyone exit. In fact, these moves can validate followers’ beliefs that they are being persecuted, while a large percentage of cult members will simply be directed to alternative platforms.

  • CNN Trump is Bad New Network.

    For the past 3 years its been nothing but TRUMP is bad.

    Like nothing else is news worthy.

    Gag me.

    • Do you think Trump contributes at all to his negative coverage?

    • by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Sunday October 25, 2020 @12:10AM (#60645248)

      Literally every news source on the planet with the exception of Fox says he is bad. That should tell you something.

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Saturday October 24, 2020 @09:54PM (#60644976)

    They were a way of life.

  • by seth_hartbecke ( 27500 ) on Saturday October 24, 2020 @09:57PM (#60644984) Homepage

    I had never heard of Q-Anon until the left family members start insisting that I was a member and ready to burn the country down.

    I *still* don't really know who they are. The conservative talk circles like are literally trying to figure out who this Q-Anon group actually is that we're all supposed to be part of.

    Chill ... you're seeing things.

  • and without that free, unrestricted platform it's basically doomed.

    One of my YouTube channels made a good point, which is that Qannon's real start wasn't on 4 or 8 chan, it was when a bunch of politicos realized it would be advantages to accuse their opponents of being pedophiles. If nothing else you might Google bomb a few. Also the pedo angle let's them co-op popular "Save The Children" themed hashtags.

    Basically the whole thing was a clever and cynical political campaign. And the Facebooks, Twitte
    • by Z00L00K ( 682162 )

      Also fed quite well by all the pictures of Biden sniffing the hair of young girls that looks uncomfortable.

  • ... fad as embarrassing as bell-bottoms, polyester and pet rocks

    Either QAnon is a real problem, or it is a fad. The article is not worth the read.

  • QAnon is for suburbans afraid of Antifa, and Antifa is made of urbanites who are afraid of QAnon.

    They're like a match made in hell.

    Both of them are fully stocked with morons who believe the world gives a shit about them.

    • Technically, the opposite of Antifa is white supremacists. You don't have to be that to believe in Qanon, but it doesn't hurt either.
  • Yeah sorry, that's impossible. Exiting a cult involves realizing one has been an complete and utter moron, there isn't going to be much left of dignity at that point.
    • by WierdUncle ( 6807634 ) on Sunday October 25, 2020 @04:16AM (#60645606)

      Exiting a cult involves realizing one has been an complete and utter moron ...

      I think it requires a good deal more than that. A cult creates a community of the chosen ones, that exerts considerable social pressure. Doubters are reviled. Apostates are punished. Somebody with the mental fortitude to overcome such pressures and admit they were wrong would probably not have joined a cult in the first place.

  • by remoteshell ( 1299843 ) on Sunday October 25, 2020 @09:57AM (#60646320)
    Around 2008 I was hacked by a survivalist meme that said "buy gold 'n silver, firearms and survival food". I prepped for a forest fire. In a flood in 2013, I was evaced on an Apache helicopter - the flood washed out roads to my home in Jamestown, CO. After the roads were partially restored, I was worried about looters - I had been listening to conspiracy oriented right-wing radio (KHNC AM in Colorado - truly weird stuff - not Fox). I felt compelled to move my firearms and metals out, although looting never happened. A zipline was required to get the guns and silver out. I had hundreds of pounds of each. I had a team of trained software engineers that I used as pack animals - great fun! I came to realize that what I thought were assets were liabilities. I got rid of the firearms. Did I mention that precious metals are hard to liquidate, and nobody wants to barter them, in addition to being a really bad investment? The pallets of food stayed good (plug for Mountain House). But what are you gonna do with pallets of food? I sent 'em off the the Rosebud reservation in a COVID relief effort this summer so they'd get eaten by folks who needed 'em. I finally figured out that that the folks who were community oriented did a lot better than I - especially moms with school age kiddos. It took 5 years to rebuild the town. I joined the community and escaped the whacko meme that hacked my ideology - I was a lifelong liberal beforehand, and reverted to that mindset. Last week there were forest fires raging near the town, and I evacuated again, and joined in community in helping my family and other families. The lessons learned were that I'm hackable by memes and listen to mom.

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