Right-Leaning Social Network Parler Tops Free App Charts (axios.com) 288
Parler, which calls itself a "viewpoint-neutral" social network and is growing popular among conservatives who feel mainstream social platforms are censoring them, is now topping the free app download charts, according to both Apple and Sensor Tower. From a report: With Twitter and other mainstream social media apps more strictly enforcing rules against election-related falsehoods, more permissive, often right-leaning platforms have seen a surge of interest. The app for Newsmax, a right-leaning news network, also began surging on the download charts after all the major networks, including Fox News, called the election for Biden. It remains to be seen if the gains are more than temporary, but the shift has certainly raised eyebrows.
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Now all the people here crying about facebook censoring them have somewhere else to go. Isn't this the exact definition of the free market at work?
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no, because its the revenue optimizing algorithms that was polarizing people. Watch the netflix documentary. There are massive courses and lectures on addictive psychology at play in these apps. As long as the algorithms can identify your personality traits, and what will keep you engaged, they will sell your attention to people for fractions of cents a thousand times per day. The solution is to end these highly addictive algorithms. We used to regulate the sort of content and methods that things like saturday morning used to use when interacting with minors. Now its the wild west using some of the most deviant addictive techniques possible. Its like getting your 11yr old addicted to slot machines. Litterally. That pull-down-to-refresh feature? They talked about it. It was deliberately designed to mimic slot machines. They even had a psycho-babble definition for the behavior. Ultimately it wont matter what the platform is... you and your buddy could find themselves fighting with each other thinking "how could this idiot think this? Isnt he seeing the same information I am?" and the reality is he is not. To quote the movie, you are all in your own personal Truman Show. This shit is going to create middle-eastern style civil war.
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Watch the netflix documentary.
The same documentary that has the tagline:
Never before have a handful of tech designers had such control over the way billions of us think, act, and live our lives.
? Seems like even they identify the primary problem as censorship.
This shit is going to create middle-eastern style civil war.
Comments like this are part of the problem. You're sensationalizing the ranting of a vast minority of radicals. Do you feel like killing your neighbor? I don't either, and neither do most people.
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Do you feel like killing your neighbor?
Every damn day.
Double for his yappy fucking dog that holds the general philosophy ‘I bark therefore I am”.
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> Now all the people here crying about facebook censoring them have somewhere else to go.
> no, because its the revenue optimizing algorithms that was polarizing people.
So...you meant yes but wanted to push an agenda (righteous as it may seem). That's disingenuous.
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or it meant No, its not good
What does that have to do with the OP's point? (Score:3)
Your point is that Facebook et al use algorithms to push peoples buttons in order to keep them engaged so they can show them advertisements, and that they drive people to extreme behavior and negative political radicalization to do it, resulting in an electorate that is dangerously ill informed.
Both are valid points, but they're unrelated. Nonetheless you answere
Re:What does that have to do with the OP's point? (Score:4, Interesting)
It was mostly regarding the subject. I disagree that its 'good' :-) did you see the graph of suicides among pre-teens since 2011? I knew it had gotten really bad but damn. When I grew up in the 80s you might hear about one senior at some high school, maybe yours maybe another, that killed themselves. When my daughter was in a small middle school of about 1000 students, there were 4 that I know of in the 3 years she was there. I just dont see the solution to the social media problem to be more social media. Just like I dont buy it that the tech industry is the only ones equipped to solve the radicalization problem they themselves created, by introducing MORE machine-learning.
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It's as dangerous as crack cocaine.
Free apps: not even once!
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a great quote they print in that documentary is
"There are only two industries that call their customers as 'users': illegal drugs and software. " -- Edward Tufte
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You are describing advertising. Every part of your comment applies to the corrosive effects of late-stage capitalism. The end-game of "free markets" was always going to be "revenue optimizing algorithms".
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People are trying to figure out how a system that is designed to maximize profit over anything else has evolved to maximize profit over anything else.
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Now all the people here crying about facebook censoring them have somewhere else to go. Isn't this the exact definition of the free market at work?
Just curious. So you believe this segregation of folks based on their political viewpoint is a good idea? That the likes of Facebook and Twitter haven't held undue influence in the political discourse in this country?
IMHO - The big social media guys really messed up, they should have gone completely hands off political speech and let the facts and lies fly together without comment or restriction. What they did was jump into the pig pen and tried to referee a fight between two pigs. All they accomplished was to tick off the pigs and get covered by mud.
Segregation of ideas is the progressive goal (Score:2)
So you believe this segregation of folks based on their political viewpoint is a good idea?
Sounds like the very definition of safe spaces. Of todays college environment.
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IMHO - The big social media guys really messed up, they should have gone completely hands off political speech and let the facts and lies fly together without comment or restriction. What they did was jump into the pig pen and tried to referee a fight between two pigs. All they accomplished was to tick off the pigs and get covered by mud.
The diverse and tolerant folks would have cancelled them had they not. At least that’s what they thought.
With the Dem administration coming on board, it also holds
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It's only happening because Trump supporters keep peddling his own "fake news" about voter fraud. Nearly every case is being dismissed due to lack of evidence.
So you admit there is a "non-zero number" (to quote a Trump campaign lawyer) of suits that have merit? :P
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So you admit there is a "non-zero number" (to quote a Trump campaign lawyer) of suits that have merit? :P
Could be that some suits haven't been thrown out yet.
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If you can't see, regardless of party, that the election voting was a S- show of epic proportions, then you weren't paying attention. It started in 2016 and expanded this year.
It's like allowing the CEO to hire his girlfriend to be an executive: yes, she may be qualified, and he may have hired her for her job skills. However, Sometimes you need to put rules in place to prevent even the appearance of abuse.
It has been said voting isn't a good way to decide things, it's a good way to prevent civil war. The moment any large segment of society deems voting to be unfair/biased/fraudulent, is the moment things get bad very quickly.
We all have an interest in preventing this from happening.
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wrong-- (Score:3, Interesting)
you don't have to be a trump supporter to object to adult men being allowed in the same bathroom with 13 year old girls or to object to murdering of children.
The fact that media companies think they can define who's religion is correct and tell customize 'the facts' to match 'their world view' only shows they need to be dumped.
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I feel like you're really projecting on this one. Can you give any citations where a man dressed as a woman to molest children in a public bathroom?
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I think this is a great development. I've been hoping that alternative social media networks would take off and suck some of the marketshare away from TwitBook. I really don't see any downside.
This also bodes well for Trump's news outlet that he should be launching next year. I'm a bit more ambivalent about that in theory, but practically speaking, Fox News was already filling that market segment when TNN didn't get launched after the 2016 campaign unexpectedly turned from publicity stunt to electoral victo
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Fox has been moving away from the conservative side of things for the past few years.
They still have a few opinion folks that are truly conservative, but they've been ever so slowly and slightly left for close to a decade now and it is becoming more and more obvious.
I dunno why they are doing so, as that it is just killing the cash cow that makes them #1 overall and make so much money.
I think a true conservative rival network would do pretty well if it w
Re:Good (Score:4, Insightful)
it is but it is NOT Good, because now people will self isolate in their feedback loops even more and our societal divisions will increase.
Re:Good (Score:5, Interesting)
I wonder if that's how it used to be. Before our lives were online we tended to surround ourselves with friends who were like minded.
The internet brought conflict as we were exposed to more opinions, and now it's dividing up into progressive and conservative again.
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It is, but it also isn't
"Fine, I'll take my toys and go home" is what this literately is. You see it a lot when online platforms go from permissive to restrictive rules, and those rules often come about due to abuse that is created by a few big players on those platforms.
For example. PewDiePie (who I don't watch or care about) is responsible for a boatload of anti-hate/anti-harassment rules starting to be enforced on both Twitch and Youtube. It's not just him, but all the right-wing wacky-kings that populat
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Alas, the people complaining about "censoring" aren't fans of free markets. You should try to appeal to them by saying something like "endorsed by the central committee."
(It's tricky: they identify as right-wing, so politeness requires you call them that. But when we talk about "the good old days," they are remembering the Soviet Union, and that's another wing altogether.)
The Internet does not like censorship (Score:2)
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That's a fairly good answer, but before you roll your own, you might want to at least look around to see if anyone else already has one that is good enough. You might decide forking Android is less work than starting from nothing.
If a someone else is in charge of whatever apps you can run, I think that's a pretty good indicator that you've gone down the wrong path. You should be upgrading from iO
Safespace for snowflakes (Score:5, Funny)
Good they finally found their safespace.
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Re:Safespace for snowflakes (Score:4, Insightful)
Good they finally found their safespace.
Funny that the few from the left who will follow them over will be allowed to post freely. That's how this should work, if I don't like what you are saying, I just choose not to listen to you, but I don't try to silence you.
Hopefully the free market will fix the mistakes of the current big boys and freedom will once again be the standard.
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Re:Safespace for snowflakes (Score:5, Insightful)
On Parler you have to:
- avoid language/visuals that are sexual in nature
- do not use language/visuals that are morbid or degrading
- do not use language/visuals that are offensive and offer no literary, artistic, political, or scientific value
- avoid language/visuals that is non-satirical when claiming to be a satire account.
Along with banning left learning accounts like Devin Nune's cow, they're certainly not as pro-free speech as twitter, where honestly just about anything goes.
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Twitter is "anything goes"? You've got to be kidding.
They held the New York Post's account in suspension for DAYS because they linked to their own article which was unfavorable to Biden and refused to remove the tweet. https://nypost.com/2020/10/16/... [nypost.com]
Facebook and more suppressed this article too. Just BEFORE the last debate non-the-less, where it would have been a huge story that couldn't have been avoided. It's not that they made a mistake, those happen, but that it took them almost a week to correct
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The New York Post tweets was removed as they breached Twitters “Hacked Materials Policy”, you can read about that and how Twitter then amended it's policy in this New York Post article: https://nypost.com/2020/10/15/... [nypost.com]
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The New York Post tweets was removed as they breached Twitters “Hacked Materials Policy”, you can read about that and how Twitter then amended it's policy in this New York Post article: https://nypost.com/2020/10/15/... [nypost.com]
This wasn't hacked material. It was obtained legally. The New York Post pointed this out to Twitter right away, and they refused to listen or even take steps to read the confirmed facts IN THE STORY, they just banned it and even after being presented with the facts, refused to release the NYP's twitter account until they withdrew the tweet about the story.
The laptop was the legal property of the shop owner as it was left past the 90 days in the repair agreement, in fact it could be argued that he traded f
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With all this talk about freedom of speech it's almost like these sites promoting them should be the most popular things in the world. Except they aren't because they devolve into filthy cesspools unfit for human consumption.
The "free market" has spoken. It saw what happens to sites like Voat, and that's precisely why the free market *chose* to moderate. You are speaking like this is some kind of new free speech platform that hasn't existed before. You only think that because all others very quickly drown i
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"Funny that the few from the left who will follow them over will be allowed to post freely."
Except for the ones that were banned.
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"Funny that the few from the left who will follow them over will be allowed to post freely."
Except for the ones that were banned.
Who? And what was the given reason? Citations please..
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https://www.techdirt.com/artic... [techdirt.com]
While obvious griefers are well represented in the banned population, a notable target was the person that ridiculed Parler's legal stance: https://twitter.com/belet_seri... [twitter.com]
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"Funny that the few from the left who will follow them over will be allowed to post freely."
Except for the ones that were banned.
Who? And what was the given reason? Citations please..
They don't seem to be giving reasons. I'd love to know why they banned Devin Nunes’ cow: https://www.engadget.com/parle... [engadget.com]
Um... we were already allowed to post freely (Score:2)
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I'm technically a registered republican but the past 12 years I've really soured on the GOP. It's not about looking into the future, it's about taking as much as they can right now and letting someone else clean up the mess the next generation.
For elected officials, the burden of proof should be 100% on them. Any claims they make must be backed by facts or should be removed. I don
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Go on twitter and blather all you like about how Trump is the Chosen One and how Biden will bring about Full Blown Communism, sort of like Full Blown AIDS but with lines for bread. They won't bother you.
Speaking of, I can't wait until the new Biden administration sends everyone our tax-payer funded hammers and sickles. Will we have to stand in line for them or are they shipping them?
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Hey, it's communism - standing in lines is half the fun.
Good point. Spasiba, tovarisch.
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I don't know when that will happen... I mean, I'm still waiting for Obama to come and take my guns...
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Remember how Trump also said to take the guns first, do due process later and the chuds didn't bat an eye?
https://youtu.be/du4xz6Lndxk?t... [youtu.be]
Obama basically did nothing and yet the right wingers spent 8 years stocking up on guns and ammo in case he unilaterally decided to ban guns (somehow). Nothing matters, Obama is the Devil and Trump is on their team, so obviously he meant he'd only take the guns from those people.
Re: Safespace for snowflakes (Score:2)
That bumpstock ban was one of the few nuggets of things Trump did that I actually agreed with
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Not me. And this weird obsession with saving a few lives is one of the few things that keeps me from being a Democrat voter. Bumpstocks are in the noise, in fact that LV shooting was the only case I heard of where they were even involved, and it's not clear it even contributed to the death count.
But as usual, Democrats will alienate millions of voters over, say, the 50-100 yearly lives they could save by banning ARs and "high cap" (standard capacity) magazines. Meanwhile we have 1000 people dying _a day_ fr
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Bernie, who is in line to be his Labor Secretary, on record saying that lines are good.
"Lines for bread are good. It means there's bread."
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He has a point. Recently, the stores had no toilet paper here, so no lines. Then when there was toilet paper, there were lines. Now the toilet paper aisle is overflowing with toilet paper and there are short lines.
I'd rather have to line up then go without when there is a run on something that most all people need.
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How about if I just start whining that Russians stole the election? Would that be ok?
Can I go on and start claiming with no evidence that a politician told people to inject bleach into their veins?
Can I start calling people racist and white supremacist with no proof?
I'm just trying to figure out where the line is here.
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So you think it's OK for the right wing to be even more retarded than the left wing? I fully agree the far left is pretty stupid, too, but for the most part not dangerously stupid (Portland/Antifa/Guy Who Shot Up Congressmen On Baseball Field that Everyone Forgot About notwithstanding).
My mom was convinced of Russia Russia Russia and my wife thinks Trump faked having Coronavirus.. for some..reason she can't really explain, lol. Neither was openly discussing who to start shooting over it.
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https://www.intelligence.senat... [senate.gov]
It will turn into Gab (Score:2)
There already is a censorship free version of Twitter, it is called Gab. It attracted some right wing attention a year or two ago. Because there is no censorship, the antisemitic nonsense ran wild.
Parler currently does not allow non-users to see it's comments so it is useless for getting a message out. Unless they are willing to go public it will not grow much beyond it's current, mostly right wing whine-fest
"more permissive, often right-leaning platforms" (Score:5, Interesting)
Never thought the day would come when I'd read that phrase.
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I've noticed this as well.: stringent litmus tests for things. Violate and be nullified.
While my conservative, albeit somewhat libertarian friends, are more "yeah, whatever, do what you want as long as you don't step on my toes".
Hey, that name's French (Score:2)
Parler will the the way of Usenet (Score:2)
Enormous surge in users... (Score:2)
Is this where Steve Bannon will be heading? (Score:2)
Twitter has banned the account of the former Donald Trump adviser and surrogate Steve Bannon after he called for the beheading of Dr Anthony Fauci and the FBI director, Christopher Wray, and the posting of their heads outside the White House as a “warning”.
Speaking on his podcast, the War Room, which was distributed in video form on a number of social media outlets, the far-right provocateur appeared to endorse violence against Wray and the US’s most senior infectious diseases expert.
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Take a good look at voat.co to see what Parler is going to end up like.
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When you have a bunch of bubbles refusing to discuss with each other, you end up with a bunch of extremists.
Kill all blacks, kill all whites, kill all jews (this one being shared between the far, far left and far, far right..)..
Re:"right leaning" (Score:5, Insightful)
aka "freedom of speech"
Yep. It's the best place to go if you want to hear small-town police chiefs talk about executing Democrats. https://www.usatoday.com/story... [usatoday.com]
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Re:"right leaning" (Score:5, Interesting)
There will certainly be terrorist violence this time around, the far RWNJ's are already riling each other up. "Somebody (wink wink, we better not discuss it here) will probably start taking out media and politicians!".
Hopefully it doesn't get too out of hand, and when it does the terrorists get corpsed up and put 6 feet under where they belong, just like McVeigh and Bin Laden.
What pisses me off is I'm a gun guy and those crazy assholes will only make people want to clamp down harder.
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There will certainly be terrorist violence this time around, the far RWNJ's are already riling each other up. "Somebody (wink wink, we better not discuss it here) will probably start taking out media and politicians!".
Hopefully it doesn't get too out of hand, and when it does the terrorists get corpsed up and put 6 feet under where they belong, just like McVeigh and Bin Laden.
What pisses me off is I'm a gun guy and those crazy assholes will only make people want to clamp down harder.
Especially with Trump essentially cheering on the nutjobs who were wanting to kidnap Whitmer. If Trump keeps up this "stole the election" schtick he is going to get someone killed, all just to keep stroking his ego and tell himself he didn't lose.
In any case, I got rid of most of my "scary guns". Many of the guns in my collection are of historical value and almost 80 years old and likely to fall outside any bans.
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Funny....with Bi
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That just isn't the conservative way.
You're right. Forget the burning, just shoot 'em [ibtimes.sg].
And seeing the AOC edict to make "a list" of those on the other side...
Huh. Why does that [vanityfair.com] sound so familiar [rawstory.com]?
wow..that sound a lot like brown shirt talk of the past.
Well yes, the con artist does have a copy Hitler's speeches [businessinsider.com] at his bedside. It's the only book he's ever read.
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Why are you posting that? Is it supposed to be accurate or somehow comparable?
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"right leaning" aka "freedom of speech"
aka "where truth goes to die"
Re:"right leaning" (Score:4, Funny)
no, "right leaning" as in they ban you for different things.
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Is it really uncensored. I know a lot of Europeans who keep getting suspended from Facebook because they accidentenly show a little more skin than American companies can handle. Would that be tolerated on this new conservative platform?
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Well their communication guidelines seems to suggest that they do:
>Finally, while Parler allows the posting of some âoeNot Safe For Workâ
>content, we provide a double-filter system to help ensure this content is
>viewed neither by minors nor by those who choose not to see it."
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Links or it didn't happen.
Re:The Free Market in Action (Score:5, Interesting)
I can't help myself, I like reading their insanity. It's one of those things were I literally just can't believe what I'm reading. They all share the same weird, unspecific ideas of "fraud!". Either it's really vague, or there are like 20 different theories as to how they cheated.
The ones that really crack me up are the _real_ leg humpers. You'll see some nut carry on about how Trump was chosen by God, and how God will sort all this out because Trump is such a "good man" and he's suffering so much for this country. They have literally lionized him to a level close to Jebus.
They also have some weird ra-ra cheerleader thing going on. If you dare even suspect Trump won't end up inaugurated in Jan you are a doomer, a joke, crazy, etc... I don't mean if you say "I _hope_ Trump wins", if you literally aren't 100% convinced that Trump did that speech in front of that landscapers as some sort of warning to the "DemonRats" then you are a doomer, and probably a commie.
It's mesmerizing. It's a level of stupidity that really convinces me even further that the Internet will spell our doom. People weren't meant to have easy access to the crackpot opinions of so many other people. Back in the day you of course had conspiracy theories and kooks, but it was never so easy to spread your message to the intellectually challenged and mentally ill. Now they all fester and metastasize and they pull in their fellow dummies like never before.
This happens on the left wing too, but the right wing is especially vulnerable to it.
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The ones that really crack me up are the _real_ leg humpers. You'll see some nut carry on about how Trump was chosen by God, and how God will sort all this out because Trump is such a "good man" and he's suffering so much for this country. They have literally lionized him to a level close to Jebus.
Oh the irony. From 2 Thessalonians;
3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.[2]
Also, from Fulton J. Sheen, a Catholic bishop, in 1951
The Antichrist will not be so called; otherwise he would have no followers... he will come disguised as the Great Humanitarian; he will talk peace, prosperity and plenty not as means to lead us to God, but as ends in themselves... He will tempt Christians with the same three temptations with which he tempted Christ... He will have one great secret which he will tell to no one: he will not believe in God. Because his religion will be brotherhood without the fatherhood of God, he will deceive even the elect. He will set up a counterchurch... It will have all the notes and characteristics of the Church, but in reverse and emptied of its divine content. It will be a mystical body of the Antichrist that will in all externals resemble the mystical body of Christ.
Seems to pretty accurately describe Trump and the way his followers worship him almost as a diety.
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Because it was the Republican party that removed any mention of God from its official platform?
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And if your own opinions are banned one day from the mainstream social media platforms, because they are not woke enough, or not inclusive enough, or offend "someone", and you are told that you are free to join another platform, you may find that your only option is to share a platform with the whiny losers and conspiracy douchebags. And no sane person will ever take you seriously anymore, since you'll be on "that crackpot site where all the loonies go". It's a very effective form of censorship, instead of outright banning undesirable opinions, they can effectively defuse them.
But what are those banned opinions? Feel free to post anon, I'm asking from genuine curiosity, not to "out" anyone.
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And you think Twitter ISN'T a site full of crackpots?
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The first amendment makes no mention of private businesses having to publish your speech. It reads "Congress shall make no law..."
Re: Objectivity was never a requirement. (Score:4)
... the fringe elements of society are regrouping elsewhere.
FWIW, Trump got 70+ million votes - you can't call that "fringe elements" even if you disagree with their POV.
What it shows however is that you're living in an ideological bubble yourself. Consider expanding your horizons.
Re: Objectivity was never a requirement. (Score:4, Interesting)
Facebook, for example, actively promotes those bubbles and silos.
This election, just for giggles, I began clicking on one party's ads for campaign donations. I would click on the advertisement, scroll down the popup page, then go back and "Like" the page. I figure it cost them a few bucks and some moron donating campaign money would be nullified.
My facebook feed became an absolute crapshow of that political viewpoint. You would have thought nobody disagreed with my completely fictitious views..
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This shows one of the real problems with modern politics. There are many people who voted for trump who hate his guts. There are probably many who voted for Biden who likewise think he is a creep. Most people are voting for 'the lesser of two evils" and simply disagreeing on which candidate is less evil, not actually thinking one or the other is 'good', yet each side portrays the other as a monolith who worships the ground the opposing candidate walks on.
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I guess we should have seen this coming. We asked businesses to police free speech, and put them in charge of deciding how much one can spin news for ideological purposes, and now the fringe elements of society are regrouping elsewhere.
Not long ago fringe elements had to resort to handing out stenciled flyers, I say their situation has improved vastly.
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Half of the fringe will congregate elsewhere. Twitter will keep the half they promote and support.
natural consequence. (Score:2, Funny)
This is a natural consequence of the growth of atheisms ( although most of the people you are complaining about are atheist's without know it).
An athiest is by definition someone who denies the existence of truth that Transends the natural realm.
The problem is, no other truth is particually relivant, and certainly no other truth is morally binding within a society.
Example: "We should xyz to save the species"... "why should we save the species?" ... "because, we want to"..."I'd rather drink beer".
"so and so
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Wouldn't it be interesting if he got cancel from Twitter, and then used his power, money and influence to create a competitor?