Study Claims 18% of Covid Patients Later Diagnosed with Mental Illness (irishtimes.com) 116
A new article summarizes research from the University of Oxford and NIHR Oxford Health Biomedical Research Centre. Slashdot reader AleRunner writes:
Nearly one in five people who have had Covid-19 are diagnosed with a psychiatric disorder such as anxiety, depression or insomnia within three months of testing positive for the virus," Natalie Grover writes.
Although "people with a pre-existing mental health diagnosis" are 65% more likely to get COVID, so it may be that this is partly explained by doctors diagnosing illness that would otherwise be missed, the article suggests that the rate is double the rate for influenza and unexpectedly high so other explanations are needed.
From the article: Paul Harrison, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Oxford, said more research was needed to establish whether a diagnosis of a psychiatric disorder could be directly linked to getting coronavirus. General factors that influence physical health were not captured in the records analysed, such as socio-economic background, smoking, or use of drugs. There was also potential that the general stressful environment of the pandemic is playing a role, he noted. Research suggests that people from poorer socio-economic backgrounds are more likely to suffer mental ill-health. Poverty also increases exposure to coronavirus, owing to factors like crowded housing and unsafe working conditions.
"Equally, it's not at all implausible that Covid-19 might have some direct effect on your brain and your mental health. But I think that, again, remains to be positively demonstrated," said Mr. Harrison...
The calculations were made on the basis of roughly 70 million US health records, including more than 62,000 cases of Covid-19 that did not require a hospital stay or an emergency department visit.
Although "people with a pre-existing mental health diagnosis" are 65% more likely to get COVID, so it may be that this is partly explained by doctors diagnosing illness that would otherwise be missed, the article suggests that the rate is double the rate for influenza and unexpectedly high so other explanations are needed.
From the article: Paul Harrison, a professor of psychiatry at the University of Oxford, said more research was needed to establish whether a diagnosis of a psychiatric disorder could be directly linked to getting coronavirus. General factors that influence physical health were not captured in the records analysed, such as socio-economic background, smoking, or use of drugs. There was also potential that the general stressful environment of the pandemic is playing a role, he noted. Research suggests that people from poorer socio-economic backgrounds are more likely to suffer mental ill-health. Poverty also increases exposure to coronavirus, owing to factors like crowded housing and unsafe working conditions.
"Equally, it's not at all implausible that Covid-19 might have some direct effect on your brain and your mental health. But I think that, again, remains to be positively demonstrated," said Mr. Harrison...
The calculations were made on the basis of roughly 70 million US health records, including more than 62,000 cases of Covid-19 that did not require a hospital stay or an emergency department visit.
Hmm (Score:5, Funny)
Were they anti-maskers before and/or after, perhaps?
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Or old, poor, or plagued by other chronic illnesses? Mental illness often accompanies other physical illness, and makes care for the physical illness much more difficult.
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The summary, and the anti-vaxxer comment, did not address this. The Irish times article cited seemed quite poor: The idea that sufferers from COVID-19 often had some medical illness before diagnosis is nonsensical when the mentally ill were more likely to be unable to manage basic preventive medicine, such as social distancing.
An increase in diagnosis of dementia is not surprising for people who've had a profound physical insult to their breathing for days or weeks, who were already old or already ill and a
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Not that there is not ample evidence that COVID-19 has significant side effects. I think we are going to be in for a generation of pain, similar to the lead poisoning of the 1970
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There are any number of stories around from doctors and nurses who're treating hospitalized and/or seriously ill COVID patients about how those patients thought COVID was a hoax or that it wasn't a real problem, or --worse-- that it only affected the old or disaffirmed and would have no impact on them.
Only to find out too late that it was real and that it could affect them.
As such, I have no problem whatsoever believing that these people self-selected themselves into the the study in the first place...
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Ah.... does the little baby-waby cry when he has to wear a mask to go in the grocery store???
I bet you were one of the first to rail against the oppression back when stores and restaurants started that whole "No shirt. No shoes. No service." campaign too. And let's not get started on those smoking bans where we tried to keep workers from getting lung cancer,
Oh, the inhumanity of it all. Might as well lock the slave collar shut right now. /s
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"You don't even care that masks provide zero protection from viruses."
A "fact" that has been disproven, time and again. I'd tell you to look it up, but you'd run off to some site that confirms your bias and return waving your "proof" over your head. I mean, I could talk about the virus piggybacking on respiratory water droplets which masks most certainly do reduce, and about how reductions in viral loads can play an enormous effect on the severity of infections... but what's the point?
Tell you what, since m
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What we have here is a variant of the second-hand smoke problem.
You, as an individual, are free to decide if you want to smoke. Unfortunately, doing so in a enclosed space can infringe upon the rights and choices and health of everyone else around you. Hence society as a whole has rules in place about just where and how a smoker may indulge themselves.
I think no less a personage than Thomas Jefferson said it best: "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us b
What about prior mental illness? (Score:5, Insightful)
How many of those 18% actually had it before? Did they check for pre-exsiting mental illness? A certain potus comes to mind on that one.
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Re:What about prior mental illness? (Score:5, Funny)
Finally someone who will acknowledge that. Thank you!
Re:What about prior mental illness? (Score:4, Interesting)
We're number one baby. And Republicans, afraid to confront or anger dear leader, are quite complicit.
Youi see, the Bradykinin storms that are associated with trhe huge increases in Hyaluronic acid in the lungs, which cause the sick to suffocate even with 100 percent oxygen, causes organs and the brain to be oxygen starved. Small wonder that there can be psychological effects. To either British or American.
This is the big lie of the people who try to claim some small death rate. Death rate. There is a hella lot more than death rate. I lost a good friend from Destruction of his heart. 51 years old, BTW, so not the meme of the victims being old and infirm. If he had lived, he would have needed a heart transplant.
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Site a source please.
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Russia just said their vaccine is 92% effective just after the Pfizer 90% announcement. Do you really believe they are telling the truth about their Covid numbers? They are not testing nearly as many people as we are. We are number one because we count every positive test as a case, even re-tests. This has been confirmed by many nurses, so be carefully coming up with false conclusions
Tru dat. Dear leader was on to something - just stop testing, and like a miracle, it disappears.
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Our local hospital has stopped scheduling elective surgeries until after Jan 1 (and no guarantee then), because the beds are full of hospitalized COVID patients.
Those aren't just "cases".
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Although the research team was British, they used data from the US. Moreover, there are most certainly anti-maskers in the UK, so GP's implied hypothesis (does coronavirus skepticism correlate with mental illness?) would be something that could still very much be derived a study of UK cases.
It's honestly a pretty solid theory that experiencing COVID-19 would hit deniers the hardest, as conspiracy theories are well-established as being mental techniques to resist depression and anxiety stemming from loss of
Re: What about prior mental illness? (Score:4, Interesting)
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I'm pretty sure when it's all said and done, corona virus is going to be a huge windfall profit for big pharma.
Well DUH!. That's half of the reason that traitor Dr. Fauci created the virus in his lab in area 51 with Hillary and the Kenyan Terror baby, then shipped it to China to discredit Trump. The other half ius that he and Hillary are going to be rich, rich rich after this is over.
Bastard Fauci had the vaccine created the same day he created the Covid 19 Flu.
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I had a weird, what I thought was flu around October or November last year. I remember thinking, "Man this is one of the worst I've had. And how is it lasting for 2 weeks?" My senses never went away, though.
It seems likely to have been circulating for a few months prior to hospitals filling up. At the time, I worked in a building near Chinatown that had some tenants employing primarily Chinese, which provides a possible route for early inoculation.
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How much travel is there between Chinatown and China? A lot of the people living there have been there for a couple or more of generations, unlike some other cities in the SF Bay Area, which are majority Asian-American, and lots of the residents are not children of immigrants, but instead are immigrants?
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Not sure. Judging by the signage in the area, some of which is exclusively in Chinese, there should be a significant amount that aren't too far removed.
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Those Bay Area cities I was talking about have shopping centers where the signage is almost entirely in Chinese.
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And I should mention that there were areas of the USA where it took 3-4 generations for them to stop speaking German and learn English.
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The wife had something similar back in February, thing was the really bad cough cleared up really quick with some antibiotics, so doubtful it was corvid.
The first sign it was a real pandemic was the new Chinatown, the one created by recent immigrants, not the one created by railway labourers a century ago, locked down on their own, restaurants closed, mask wearing and such and that part of town has had low numbers. Something about experience with pandemics, SARS, Bird flu etc.
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Did they check for pre-exsiting mental illness?
You could just read the summary. These are new diagnoses, but people with mental illness are more likely to get COVID in the first place. Even with that, 18% is high enough to be concerning but this doesn't establish that COVID is the cause.
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Re:What about prior mental illness? (Score:5, Informative)
The rule is, as always: if you think you can disprove, in two seconds with zero information, something which specialists spent months investigating, then you are wrong.
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Well, be enormously surprised then. The summary doesn't mention a cold, but it does say that the rate is double what's observed for influenza.
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They did look at prior reported mental illness in the population. 5.8% reported their *first* instance of mental illness, so about 12% of the patients were experiencing their second or later bout. This is one of those data dumpster diving papers so they tried to cobble together a comparison group of people who suffered other major health conditions like bone fractures or skin fractures, and indeed the COVID patient group had higher rates of new mental illness than those groups.
The comparison cohorts are o
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The correlation isn't a strong one , but it does match the observed experiences in practices. A friend of mine works as a junior psychiatrist in a UK hospital, and shes had her ward filling up with post covid cases that hadn't reported significant mental illnesses before beyond the odd bout of the blues. This has been the case aroubbd the world.
Chances are a lot of its just post illness depression, of a similar sort cancer patients often get after beating their illness. Surviving a frightening illness can
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There's stories that the virus can infect the brain. If it crosses the blood brain barrier, it would explain part of it. And there seems to be lots of Covid survivors who complain of feeling brain fog.
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Yeah, they tried to control for general post-illness depression with the comparison cohorts, but as I said it's dicey comparison. I'm not criticizing the study's authors; it's just the way science goes. Early on there's inevitably some grasping at straws. I think the more clearly neurological problems people are having make psychological effects more plausible, and may be a better place to start because they're less common at any given time in the population.
Just sayin'... (Score:1, Flamebait)
Didn't President Trump have COVID?
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Fuck your feelings.
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Hmm... (Score:4, Insightful)
Nearly one in five people who have had Covid-19 are diagnosed with a psychiatric disorder such as anxiety, depression or insomnia within three months of testing positive for the virus," Natalie Grover writes.
Let us think about this... For months, everyone has been told they'll die from COVID (even when it's not likely), and that they will give it to their family and friends (even when it isn't likely).
Might they get anxious about being told they have it? Could it depress them? Could it keep them awake?
Even if the virus itself doesn't have a causal relationship, society has been trying to depress us all over it.
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You are confusing feelings with mental illnesses. This is not how either depression, anxiety or insomnia works. The difference is about the same as the difference between a mild case of sniffles and being on a ventilator thanks to the coronavirus.
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Living with relatives that have been diagnosed and not diagnosed with various forms of mental illness, I have more than a passing familiarity with "the differences" between "bad feelings" and "mental illness".
The difference often depends on what doctors you've seen, and whether they think you'll be too much trouble to deal with vs. what they can bill.
For that matter, less than a year ago, "social distancing" was considered a symptom of some illnesses. Now, it's trumpeted as the way to save the world.
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If you are unable to understand the difference between being asocial and preventing the spread of a highly contagious virus, your familiarity is not nearly as good as you think it is.
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Many forms of mental illness, such as PTSD and depression, are situational or triggered by very stressful situations. Like allergies, unusual sensitivity may require treatment or medication. But the symptoms are identical and need prompt treatment, even if the treatment is only removing the allergen or the source of stress.
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Dude, the virus is bumping off 1 to 2% of people it infects. That's a huge number, it many not seem like a lot, and the number is well inside deniability territory .. but that doesn't mean it's not terrible. Yes many of the people had pre-existing conditions such as diabetes, but that's millions of people that would still be alive in 2021 and 2022 who it killed off. You can't say somebody being killed is OK because "they would have died anyway" .. I mean you could go around saying everyone on the Earth will
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Your saying it loudly in all caps convinces me that you believe that. However, nothing you've said makes me shift my position. You've offered no logic or evidence contradicting the multiple sources that show a 1 to 2 percent deathrate.
Re:Hmm... (Score:5, Insightful)
This, and we even have data about it in my country (France)
It is most clear for depression: https://geodes.santepubliquefr... [santepubliquefrance.fr]
The curves don't match indicators like hospitalization rates, however, they definitely match the general mood of the population. Depressions are high during lockdown periods. And anxiety tend to follow the evolution of the situation rather than the absolute number of cases: high when it is worsening, low when it is improving. The effect is more subtle on sleep disorders.
Even without being sick, people are more depressed or anxious. And it has to be worse for people who actually experienced the disease.
Think about it:
- You are continuously being told that Codid-19 is deadly
- You may have contaminated many people, including loved ones, and either you don't know it yet (incubation time is rather long), or worse, they may actually have died because of you
- You get to experience crowded hospitals and overworked health workers
- If you weren't hospitalized, you were likely to be quarantined, often forced to stay at home in less than ideal conditions
- From some reports, the symptoms themselves can be quite scary, with moments you can barely breathe, plus a lot of uncertainty about if it will get better or worse
If you are not rock solid to begin with and your mind is already weakened by the general and economic situation, it can definitely push you over the edge.
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Nearly one in five people who have had Covid-19 are diagnosed with a psychiatric disorder such as anxiety, depression or insomnia within three months of testing positive for the virus," Natalie Grover writes.
Let us think about this... For months, everyone has been told they'll die from COVID (even when it's not likely), and that they will give it to their family and friends (even when it isn't likely).
Might they get anxious about being told they have it? Could it depress them? Could it keep them awake?
Even if the virus itself doesn't have a causal relationship, society has been trying to depress us all over it.
So would you have had unprotected sex when it s not likely you'll get HIV, or AIDS, or any other sexually transmitted diseases?
This whole concept of unlkley to die is such a loser argument, that I suspect there is something wrong with th efolks that make the argument.
Another analogy. Motorcycle helmets. A person is not likely to be killed in a motorcycle, so should they forgo wearing a helmet? And in a similar fashion to people sufering brain fog and cardiovascular and pulmonary issues, a frind of my
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Click baity article (Score:4, Informative)
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18% seems pretty low TBH. Many countries had long lockdowns that affected mental health and this year has been very stressful. Worries about work and the economy, the stress of an incredibly important election, BLM really coming to a head, no end in sight for coronavirus until this month and even now...
Then again not everywhere has free healthcare, and places that do are often backlogged due to COVID, so there are probably a lot of undiagnosed illnesses out there.
Not as bad as it sounds. (Score:5, Interesting)
First, psychiatric illness is defined as any of these: psychotic disorder, mood disorder and anxiety disorder. Mood and anxiety disorders are quite vague and can happen to many people when the circumstances are far from optimal.
The exact values for covid are:
- Psychotic disorder: 0.94%
- Mood disorder: 9.9%
- Anxiety disorder: 12.8 %
For influenza: 0.49%, 7.4% and 9.4%, for skin infection: 0.92%, 8.6% and 10%
So while covid is worse than any condition they compared it to, the results are not as extraordinary as the title claims.
Covid inefection relation is non-specific (Score:3, Insightful)
The relation to Covid specifically being a physiological cause of said mental illness is not been proven to be specifically related to the physiological results or changes of surviving the infection.
All trauma patient survivors appear to have the same effect [cancer, physical trauma, every life threating condition]. Other diseases or infections appear to have a higher relation.
https://www.euro.who.int/__dat... [who.int]
My FUD detector is pinging overtime.
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The relation to Covid specifically being a physiological cause of said mental illness is not been proven to be specifically related to the physiological results or changes of surviving the infection.
The paper and my summary never claimed it was. The difference with the WHO paper you linked to is that mental illness has a reasonably clearly causally linked relationship with Diabetes - people who are mentally ill tend to be poorer and have a much worse diet. Having said that, the link with COVID is very strong for such a disease and there have been a bunch of findings of SARS-COV-2 in brain tissue even though autopsies are very limited due to infection risk. Judging from the mentally ill people I know
Mental illness wildly overdiagnosed (Score:1, Interesting)
I'm afraid that there are many mental health practices and practitioners today for whom there is no such state as "healthy", for whom "everyone benefits from therapy". Like physical trainers, there is always some improved state for which they will provide professoinal help, ideally on a ragular basis covered by insurance. But the results can be quite destructive: children overprescribed Ritalin, adults overprescribed Oxycodone, and people investing in the therapeutic relationship when they should be investi
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My experience (Score:4, Interesting)
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Isolatation (Score:3, Insightful)
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Oh, I don't know. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with this?
SERIOUSLY? YOU FUCKING STUPID MORAN, OF COURSE IT DOES~!!!!1 HOW FCKING DUMB ARE YOU?!!!1
Ahem, sorry about that! I present myself as proof and I rest my case.
Correlation != Causation (Score:3)
The pandemic and related lockdowns are causing mental health issues with people who never had Covid too. According to a number of studies, US is experiencing record numbers of anxiety and depression. According to the CDC, in late June of this year, 40% of adults reported struggling with mental health or substance abuse (which is much higher than the percentage of US population who were Covid patients):
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volum... [cdc.gov]
So, the 18% of covid patients number doesn't sound higher than non-covid patients during the pandemic times.The study should have compared the numbers with how many people overall developed mental illness over the same period.
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Correlation CAN mean causation, if you stupidly hold on the "correlation is not causation" sheeple mantra you will miss a lot of actual causation. Correlation must always be checked out and ruled out before being summarily dismissed.
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Had you bothered reading past the title or my reply, you would have seen the link to the CDC stats which show that people who were not Covid patients are developing the same mental disorders mentioned in this article at similar or higher rate, making this particular correlation or Covid patients to mental disorders even less likely to be causal.
anxiety, depression and insomnia (Score:2)
Is what I have only be looking outside.
And? (Score:2)
I recognize more and more of this alarmism, of fear taking over. I don't know anymore how bad this disease really is. Are the Anti-Covid crowd right maybe? Is this just a society with hypochindria now?
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What does the WHO say? I still believe the most into one which says the true infection death rate is around 0.1%, in a well developed country, with a health system that is working well. Health system overload will increase the death rate, so it will be higher without restrictions.
Where that death rate would go with current treatment methos, at what infection rate - would be only speculation I g
What about the people who didn't get it? (Score:1)
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People like certainty... (Score:2)
Getting over Covid is not a thing apparently.
Being told that:
Apparently you can get it again...
We do not know for sure, but you are likely to suffer from [insert list of possible, possibly permanent conditions here]...
You cannot be with other humans because of Covid...
Covid will be with us forever...
There is no cure...
There will be no cure...
Now curl up in a ball and do what we say...
Yep, recipe for giving people a sense of doom
Lots of reports of side-effects (Score:3)
It seems like every other week there's a new report out about some long term side-effect of COVID-19 that someone has discovered. Some of these are probably because we're scrutinizing every aspect of infected individuals in ways we never normally scrutinize the general population. However, its likely that some of these are also real side effects that merit legitimate concern.
This is why I want to scream every time I see someone trot out the fatality rate, as though it is a reason to not be afraid of the virus. Because, in their mind, you either die or recover 100%. Somehow, there's no other outcome.
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There should be a law against you 'pandemic deniers' and you should be prosecuted and fined tens of thousands of dollars for spreading your misinformation because the bullshit you're spewing is making this gods-be-damned pandemic last orders of magnitude longer than it has to last!
Just fuck off with your bullshit.
Re: Nurse talk about current hospital situation (Score:1)
Why the ACTUAL FUCK was this post modded down so much ?
Slashdot, get your fucking act together and sort out this problem with the mods or you'll be seeing a lot more people walking out the door.
I've been here since 1999 and I'm getting sick of it.
Sort yourselves out.
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GimpOnTheGo posted this
Why the ACTUAL FUCK was this post modded down so much ?
Slashdot, get your fucking act together and sort out this problem with the mods or you'll be seeing a lot more people walking out the door.
I've been here since 1999 and I'm getting sick of it.
Sort yourselves out.
About this post here:
They are running out of covid 19 body bags.
Some are running short on PPE.
Many are short on personnel.
They are running out of medicine and especially blood antibodies so if you survived she requests yo
20.6% of U.S. adults have mental illness (Score:4, Informative)
According to the National Institute of Mental Health, 20.6% of all U.S. adults have some kind of mental illness. (See https://www.nimh.nih.gov/healt... [nih.gov]).
Maybe that's a factor?
Nothing to see here... (Score:2)
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Plausible (Score:2)
"Equally, it's not at all implausible that Covid-19 might have some direct effect on your brain and your mental health. But I think that, again, remains to be positively demonstrated,"
If you lose your smell and taste that's brain damage right there.
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Media hammering (Score:1)
I call BS (Score:2)
Bogus science in bogus claims shock (Score:1)
Tell us when the psychoquacks finally admit their "treatments" are as useful as homeopathy, and we can stop torturing animals to death in the name of pseudoscience.
Mental health crisis worker here. (Score:2)
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EVERY LAST COUNTRY ON THE PLANET is participating in a massive conspiracy to take away our freedoms!
Oh STFU idiot.
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Doctors have spoken on the issue, CDC included.
https://www.who.int/docs/defau... [who.int].