Become a fan of Slashdot on Facebook

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
×
Transportation

Illegal Tampering By Diesel Pickup Owners Is Worsening Pollution, EPA Says 336

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The New York Times: The owners and operators of more than half a million diesel pickup trucks have been illegally disabling their vehicles' emissions control technology over the past decade, allowing excess emissions equivalent to 9 million extra trucks on the road, a new federal report has concluded. The practice, described in a report by the Environmental Protection Agency's Office of Civil Enforcement, has echoes of the Volkswagen scandal of 2015, when the automaker was found to have illegally installed devices in millions of diesel passenger cars worldwide -- including about half a million in the United States -- designed to trick emissions control monitors. But in this case no single corporation is behind the subterfuge; it is the truck owners themselves who are installing illegal devices, which are typically manufactured by small companies. That makes it much more difficult to measure the full scale of the problem, which is believed to affect many more vehicles than the 500,000 or so estimated in the report.

The E.P.A. focused just on devices installed in heavy pickup trucks, such as the Chevrolet Silverado and the Dodge Ram 2500, about 15 percent of which appear to have defeat devices installed. But such devices -- commercially available and marketed as a way to improve vehicle performance -- almost certainly have been installed in millions of other vehicles. The report found "significant amounts of excess air pollution caused by tampering" with diesel pickup truck emissions controls. The technology is essentially an at-home version of the factory-installed "defeat devices" embedded into hundreds of thousands of vehicles in the United States byVolkswagen, which was forced to pay $14.7 billion in the U.S. to settle claims stemming from the scandal. The report said "diesel tuners" will allow the trucks to release more than 570,000 tons of nitrogen dioxide, a pollutant linked to heart and lung disease and premature death, over the lifetime of the vehicles. That is more than ten times the excess nitrogen oxide emissions attributed to the factory-altered Volkswagens sold domestically. The report also found that the altered pickup trucks will emit about 5,000 excess tons of industrial soot, also known as particulate matter, which is linked to respiratory diseases and higher death rates for Covid-19 patients.
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

Illegal Tampering By Diesel Pickup Owners Is Worsening Pollution, EPA Says

Comments Filter:
  • by zenlessyank ( 748553 ) on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @11:32PM (#60766826)

    Government control doesn't apply to bubba. Just ask him. That shit is for other folks.

    • Well it's not like bubba is going to pull himself or any of his friends over for modifying their trucks. Country deputies enforce the law very selectively.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Xylantiel ( 177496 )
      I sometimes wonder if Trump supporters are really mostly small-time fraudsters like this. Not reporting or misreporting income to dodge taxes, disregarding safety regulations and zoning laws, minor insurance fraud, etc. Whatever they can get away with, just like Trump.
      • Wonder no more.

      • by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Thursday November 26, 2020 @07:43AM (#60767568)

        Many of them Yes. A lot of them are in jobs and life conditions that offer them little Authority or Power in their daily lives. Doing these small crimes just because they can get away with them, gives them a false sense of power and control of their life. (Bucked the system that was trying to keep them down) They take pride in that, because they are in a condition where they may not be able to do do more.

    • Well are you living in a fucking democracy or not??

      Cause in a democracy, like you, bubba gets to pick the government and tell it what to do too. No matter if others dislike it.

      (I'm pro saving the environment, because I need it to survive, too, but rights are there for a reason. We can still choose to split the country or throw somebody out of the country to make his own, to then embargo it, or a defend ourselves if it attacks us, e.g. with poison gas, of course. Within the bounds of fairness, logically. WE

    • In addition to the devices talked about by this article, there are also things like gas recircs (EGR) particle filters (DPF) and the associated sensors. There is a small performance gain from removing the EGR but mainly it's a cost thing.

      The EGR went in my wifes car, was ~£200 to replace it or £10 for a blanking plate. The DPF went in my car, was £500 to get a blank module installed and re-code the ECU, or ~£1500 worth of new DPF and sensors. In both cases we got the work done proper

  • by Lije Baley ( 88936 ) on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @11:34PM (#60766838)

    ...and I grew up with rednecks, but I personally don't feel the need to "roll coal".

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by MikeOnBike ( 2816297 )
      Back pre-Covid, when I was bicycle commuting to work, Bubba felt the need to "coal roll" me at least once a week.

      I grew up with rednecks too and they can take their tail pipe and shove it.

    • Sorry for your loss.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      Rolling coal is quite different: It actually impairs performance and engine life, in order to make a personal statement.

      The statement is "Dumb lie-berals love the planet so much, I'm gonna trash it like a Captain Planet villain just to troll them!"

  • Rolling Coal (Score:4, Interesting)

    by carcomp ( 1887830 ) on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @11:35PM (#60766844)
    I get that every 20yo dude has a car / truck silliness phase (I had the giant subwoofers), but the diesel douchebag who does the coal rolling at every stop light in town needs a ticket... I live in Indiana and it is absurdly common to see this daily. Stinks like hell following these trucks to even get a headache. Has to cost a fortune in fuel.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      I was 20 once, and I didn't. Don't be retarded, it is easy.

    • Re:Rolling Coal (Score:4, Interesting)

      by hey! ( 33014 ) on Thursday November 26, 2020 @12:18AM (#60766938) Homepage Journal

      A ticket? Why not jail?

      Rolling coal is at the very least misdemeanor assault, which should be good for six months in most states.

      As for defeat devices, they might not cause much harm out in rural counties, but if 15% of these trucks in a city have them, that's a different kettle of fish. In a lot of states tampering with emissions equipment or falsifying an emissions test is a Class B misdemeanor.

      The thing is, I have never heard of anyone being prosecuted for these things. It may happen, but not enough to discourage people from making these things common practice.

      • You obviously don't drive a Tesla then. Video's of Tesla's being 'coal rolled' are ten a penny these days.
        Big Trucks, small dicks.
        I don't drive a Tesla. Wouldn't be seen dead in one.

  • by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @11:45PM (#60766870) Journal

    So it sounds like it's time for law enforcement to step in, and enforce laws.

    Fuck around with your vehicle's emissions and expect to have registration good for public roads? Nope, registration is cancelled, tags forfeited, vehicle towed, and registration will remain cancelled until you demonstrate that your emissions equipment is returned to a compliant state. And here's a fine for driving a vehicle on public roads that doesn't conform to published and duly ratified safety and emissions standards in this legal jurisdiction. Oh, and to have your registration reinstated, you will agree to random inspection of your vehicle's emissions system to make sure you didn't just disable or temporarily remove the defeat device. And if you get caught again, there won't be a re-registration of that vehicle - a title lien gets applied until the vehicle is sold to a licensed dealer who can certify the emissions equipment has been returned to operational and compliant condition previous to resale.

    "Coal rollers" are going to keep being fucking douchebags unless there are real consequences. Creating a huge cloud of poison behind them while they thrash the engine is entertaining for them, so you need to make the incentive to not doing that something they care about - remove the ability to legally drive their "rig" on public roads without risking fines and other legal consequences and they'll get the message.

    • by DaHat ( 247651 ) on Thursday November 26, 2020 @01:03AM (#60767022)

      Long ago, some cities outlawed cars which rode extra low to the ground... know what happened? The car moders simply started building in mechanisms to allow the driver to raise/lower the car on demand, so they could show up and say "see! my car is legal, I fixed the issue!" then get back to their low riding ways.

      Pretty easy to disguise a toggleable system for those seeking to coal roll or otherwise change the performance of the car... just as Volkswagon.

    • [...] registration will remain cancelled until you demonstrate that your emissions equipment is returned to a compliant state.

      ...by holding down the cruise-control button for two seconds.

    • Marijuana (Score:5, Insightful)

      by ghoul ( 157158 ) on Thursday November 26, 2020 @02:08AM (#60767134)
      How about treating emissions like Marijuana. Cops just keep looking for a reason to do a search for MJ. Instead of that legalize MJ and put the hounds on emissions. I mean the kind of people who sign up to be cops need something to go digging their noses into. Instead of wasting everyones time with a War on Drugs put the hounds onto a War on Pollution. Give the EPA their own helicopters, armored vehicles and tac teams while you are at it.
      • If you want that to work, it's easy: Just allow the police to seize modified cars and sell them at auction, and the department to keep the proceeds. Then watch how eagerly that law gets enforced.

    • The cops around here seemed to have stopped giving a fuck even before Covid hit. Now you can do pretty much whatever you want and not get pulled over. Run all the red lights and stop signs, drive double or triple the speed limit. Nothing happens. I haven't even bothered to get my car inspected this year.

    • Back in the 1990s in California, the annual smog inspections were doing such a good job they were growing ineffective. You see, the cost-effectiveness of inspections is proportional to the percentage of vehicles you detect which are in violation. If a smog inspection costs $40, and 1 in 5 vehicles fail and needs to be fixed, then it's costing society $200 per detected violating vehicle. The problem was, California's smog checks were becoming so effective that the failure rate was closer to 1 in 25 vehicl
      • Were the smog inspections free to the car owner? Why?

        In (most of?) Europe you pay for it during the regular inspections, either as part of it or as a technically separate thing you do at the same time. So e.g. you pay $30 to get the emissiosn checked, then go across the street and do the rest of the mechanical inspection for which you also pay $50 or whatever.

    • The coal rollers are easy to see, but rolling coal doesn't give you any extra power, it's just unburnt fuel spewing out the exhaust. Harder to find are the simple +100 HP tuners, or scr delete, .

      Though I agree a coupled months in jail and that the state impounds the truck and pays a technician to return it to stock. If you don't pay back the state's cost they can foreclose on the truck and auction it off to recoup costs.

      Also public/private road doesn't matter, the air is a public resource, it's just easier

  • by caseih ( 160668 ) on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @11:50PM (#60766888)

    The problem with all these emission systems is that they are prone to failure and extremely costly to repair. More costly than the delete costs.

    And in nearly all cases, the engine runs better and uses less fuel without the EGR and DPF. Engines that use only DEF to catalyze the NOx are already efficient, so removing the DEF has no impact on fuel economy. But DEF systems are very expensive to fix and are only made by just a couple of companies (regulatory capture). Bosch, I'm looking at you!

    This is all very problematic for farm machines. During the tail end of harvest this year I got a low SCR pressure alarm and engine derate. So for now DEF is deleted until I have time to go over the all the filters and tubes in the system and figure out what's wrong with it. Normally I leave things intact because I figure without the DEF getting injected, the catalyzer module could be permanently damaged from the high heat (making the DEF delete a permanent thing).

    Anyway I have no illusions that the guys belching smoke at intersections are doing it to save on repair bills. These are tricky issues. Because any attempts to solve the problem will disproportionately impact those who legitimately need a large vehicle for whatever reason.

    By the way, there's already a $10,000 fine in the US (levied through the EPA?) for getting caught with an emissions defeat system installed. But the only ones that are going to find that are the repair shop people and they'll never bother to report it to the EPA as it's bad for business.

    • by jours ( 663228 )

      Anyway I have no illusions that the guys belching smoke at intersections are doing it to save on repair bills.

      In my experience as a diesel truck enthusiast, this is the reason about half the time. DEF system breaks, truck goes into limp mode, and the cost to delete is less than or equal to the cost of repair. May as well delete and get the extra benefits.

    • by erice ( 13380 )

      By the way, there's already a $10,000 fine in the US (levied through the EPA?) for getting caught with an emissions defeat system installed. But the only ones that are going to find that are the repair shop people and they'll never bother to report it to the EPA as it's bad for business.

      Then it sounds like there needs to be incentive for repair shops to report defeat systems. Like fines and loss of operating license if defeats are not reported.

      • by caseih ( 160668 ) on Thursday November 26, 2020 @12:33AM (#60766968)

        I know of more than a few shops that will actually suggest the delete because they know the customer is going to take a bath in repair costs on the emissions systems otherwise. In my opinion, if governments mandate a system that is so vital but expensive to repair, they need to legislate a mandatory 10 year warranty on these components. That's really the only way their going to stop many/most people from doing the delete.

        Or just ban diesels outright, such as what is happening in Europe. The thing about diesels are that they are incredibly efficient but hard to clean up under all circumstances. Even the best emissions system won't help emissions during cold starts. Just commuting to the grocery store in the winter will not achieve enough heat to even start catalyzing the NOx. However diesels are a lot cleaner now in general than 20 years ago. I remember how a lot of European and middle eastern cities reeked of diesel smoke back in the day. Now it's not nearly as bad, even in places that still drive a lot of small diesel cars.

        • by Compuser ( 14899 )

          No, the government does not need to legislate a mandatory 10 year warranty. The government needs to put air quality detectors and surveillance devices all along he major roads (anything paved). Emissions need to be tracked in real time and linked to specific vehicles. Any set of consistent readings exceeding limits should be cause for license revocation. Do it again - go to jail. Three strikes and you are out. There should be no regulations on the specific devices being installed. All that matters is the en

          • by lhaeh ( 463179 )

            This kind of talk is disturbing on a board that generally is against government surveillance.

    • $10k isn't enough. It should carry a death sentence. I think I actually prefer drunk drivers to these idiots.
    • Instead of a 10K fine make it a 10K reward for anyone who reports a violation. Just watch as the repair shops turn bubba in. Heck bubba's gal will turn him in.
      • by c-A-d ( 77980 )

        Okay. so... no fine, but a 10k reward? I'll turn myself in! Free money! (Okay,I know this isn't what you intend.)

  • The good 'ole boys don't care, Roll that coal! Vote Trump!

Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers. -- Leonard Brandwein

Working...