Many Formerly-Skeptical Americans are Now Eager to Get Covid-19 Vaccines (deccanherald.com) 247
The New York Times reports:
Ever since the race to develop a coronavirus vaccine began last spring, upbeat announcements were stalked by ominous polls: No matter how encouraging the news, growing numbers of people said they would refuse to get the shot... But over the past few weeks, as the vaccine went from a hypothetical to a reality, something happened. Fresh surveys show attitudes shifting and a clear majority of Americans now eager to get vaccinated. In polls by Gallup, the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Pew Research Center, the portion of people saying they are now likely or certain to take the vaccine has grown from about 50 per cent this summer to more than 60 per cent, and in one poll 73 per cent — a figure that approaches what some public health experts say would be sufficient for herd immunity...
[T]he attitude improvement is striking. A similar shift on another heated pandemic issue was reflected in a different Kaiser poll this month. It found that nearly 75 per cent of Americans are now wearing masks when they leave their homes.
The change reflects a constellation of recent events: the uncoupling of the vaccine from Election Day; clinical trial results showing about 95 per cent efficacy and relatively modest side effects for the vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna; and the alarming surge in new coronavirus infections and deaths... The lure of the vaccines' modest quantities also can't be underestimated as a driver of desire, somewhat like the must-have frenzy generated by a limited-edition Christmas gift, according to public opinion experts... A barrage of feel-good media coverage, including rapt attention given to leading scientists and politicians when they get jabbed and joyous scrums surrounding local health care workers who become the first to be vaccinated, has amplified the excitement, public opinion experts say.
[T]he attitude improvement is striking. A similar shift on another heated pandemic issue was reflected in a different Kaiser poll this month. It found that nearly 75 per cent of Americans are now wearing masks when they leave their homes.
The change reflects a constellation of recent events: the uncoupling of the vaccine from Election Day; clinical trial results showing about 95 per cent efficacy and relatively modest side effects for the vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna; and the alarming surge in new coronavirus infections and deaths... The lure of the vaccines' modest quantities also can't be underestimated as a driver of desire, somewhat like the must-have frenzy generated by a limited-edition Christmas gift, according to public opinion experts... A barrage of feel-good media coverage, including rapt attention given to leading scientists and politicians when they get jabbed and joyous scrums surrounding local health care workers who become the first to be vaccinated, has amplified the excitement, public opinion experts say.
Are they really? (Score:5, Insightful)
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If you had COVID, then you are now immune and no longer need a vaccine.
From what I understand, even COVID survivors are expected to get the vaccine as it should provide antibodies for a significantly longer time.
Re: Are they really? (Score:3, Insightful)
Plenty of people are suffering Covid more than once.
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Citation needed. I've only read of a couple cases (see quote below) where there were claims of reinfection. Just to be clear, testing positive on separate occasions doesn't mean you've contracted it...there have been many false positives.
Health experts don't yet know whether we become immune to COVID-19 after we're infected. And if we do become immune, we don't know how long that might last.Thus far, there have been only a few incidents of confirmed re-infections. With two cases, it appears the patients
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Please stop passing along your assumptions. They are NOT medical advice.
From WHO:
Common question
Are you immune to COVID-19 if you get it once?
Research is still ongoing into how strong that protection is and how long it lasts. WHO is also looking into whether the strength and length of immune response depends on the type of infection a person has: without symptoms (‘asymptomatic’), mild or severe. Even people without symptoms seem to develop an immune response.Oct 15, 2020
From WebMD
If you've had
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I personally think that covid is highly contagious, but the seriousness for the average healthy person is no worse than than a cold.
Be careful not to confuse 'mean' and 'median'. The 95-98% "mild cases" are the ones not requiring hospitalization, but they do include the ones where people are bedridden with high fever, cannot take two of flights of stairs, or lose their sense of smell for a month. Some 10% of the cases, including mild cases, end up with months of lingering symptoms that are bad enough to prevent you from doing your job. ("Long covid") This includes apparent brain damage ("brain fog").
A disease with a 51% probability of b
Re: Are they really? (Score:2)
The stats assume no long term effect. As we now know with HPV, long-term effects of some viruses are not always trivial.
Re:Are they really? (Score:5, Informative)
Just look at the number of Republican politicians who claimed COVID was a hoax and are now getting vaccinated.
Re: Are they really? (Score:4)
Changing your mind is fine but maybe also apologize for all the people your COVID denying bullshit killed and all the economic damage that worsening it caused.
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Your question is unclear.
The source for the claim are polls by Pew Research, the Kaiser Family Foundation, and Gallup. Are you asking whether reporting on these results is an attempt to "manufacture consent"? Or whether the results themselves were engineered by a program of media propaganda?
If the latter, it's a classic "proving a negative" scenario. You can never rule out that possibility, so the burden of proof is on the claimant: what evidence do you have that this change in opinion was artificially pr
Wait a second... (Score:3)
Vaccine they're going to force on everyone: Leave me out...
Vaccine they're giving to first responders and old only: Get me in...
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Vaccine they're going to force on everyone: Leave me out...
Vaccine they're giving to first responders and old only: Get me in...
I'm eagerly waiting and wondering when I can get it, and I can see it is still going to take a long time. Fortunately I'll still be ahead of all the people who don't want it. Get out of my way.
A great testbed (Score:2)
If there was ever a large-population experiment with controls, placebos, etc. that could be run on marketing, this is a great candidate. Try designing and running multiple campaigns, deceitful and otherwise, and see which ones best convince a big group of people who are "I won't" and "Maybe" to "Yeah, I want it and I'll pay $xx for it to get on the list."
Re: A great testbed (Score:5, Interesting)
Isn't generations of letting children be raised by television already the larges, most irresponsible social experiment to date?
Re: A great testbed (Score:5, Insightful)
That's nothing compared to the more modern experiment of young kids using tablets and smartphones, despite the best intentions and efforts of parents. I'm amazed at what some kids can do with this technology to create, and at the same time disturbed at the many seem completely addicted to the gratification that comes from the screens.
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The grand tradition is still going on with phones and tablets.
Re: A great testbed (Score:2)
The ancient philosophers used to bitch and moan endlessly on that very topic. Cyclical changes in cultural mores is hardly an experiment, it's just ordinary human behavior.
Re: A great testbed (Score:2)
That's what the mice of Magrathea want you to think.
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If you're an American, you've been participating in a social welfare state(Welfare Corporatism [wikipedia.org]) for 120+ years. Even the capitalist folk hero, John Maynard Keynes, promoted the idea of a mixed economy [slashdot.org]">mixed economy for the benefit of the public good. This so-called experiment is over in that most people who claim to be against all forms of socialism don't realize they've been happily soaking in it.
Link is wrong, please fix (Score:2)
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Vax-afraiders (Score:5, Insightful)
Sorry but the vax-afraider scaredy cats are still a significant enough number that ones hope in humanity should be depleted. I've noticed these same vax-afraiders have no problem buying supplement pills with God-knows-what ingredients from manufacturers that make all sorts of claims with zero FDA oversight. I mean these fools would buy hemlock and poison ivy. Who knows the long term side effects of taking all the rubbish supplement pills sold to the vax-afraiders nowadays.
You seem... upset. (Score:3, Insightful)
Sorry but the vax-afraider scaredy cats are still a significant enough number that ones hope in humanity should be depleted. I've noticed these same vax-afraiders have no problem buying supplement pills with God-knows-what ingredients from manufacturers that make all sorts of claims with zero FDA oversight. I mean these fools would buy hemlock and poison ivy. Who knows the long term side effects of taking all the rubbish supplement pills sold to the vax-afraiders nowadays.
Why are you so angry at them? If their path is foolish, a bunch of them will die off; won't you get some smug sense of self-satisfaction from that? Isn't the consequence of disobeying the establishment and departing from your plainly superior intellect- the disease culling the 'vax-afraiders'- doesn't this prospect set your heart at peace?
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Well no, given that COVID-19 has a very low mortality rate especially with the new treatments they won't die (nor would I want them to --obviously). Most of the vax-afraiders are young. Most of them will pass Covid and other vaccine preventible diseases to others and live happily, oblivious to all the harm they've caused.
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Why are you so angry at them? If their path is foolish, a bunch of them will die off; won't you get some smug sense of self-satisfaction from that?
I can't speak for the GP, but I for one have many reasons to be angry at them.
1) I'm angry these people have no moral problems causing great suffering and likely death against me.
2) I'm angry knowing their willful ignorance will be trotted out as a proud excuse of their choices.
"But I didn't know he was immunocompromised! I'm blameless!" they will say, despite being told people such as myself are in such a situation.
3) I'm angry the very government sections tasks with protecting citizens from harm and dea
Re:You seem... upset. (Score:4, Informative)
Not to mention spreading to other kids, and I don't mean just the disease.
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? If their path is foolish, a bunch of them will die off; won't you get some smug sense of self-satisfaction from that?
I would too, but the problem with a significant number of antivaxers is that they could infect a lot of innocent people while enroute to perdition. Fortunately, the antivax movement seems to have ghosted on us this time. Covid is not a childhood disease that was "good enough for Grandpa, so it's good enough for me."
Re:You seem... upset. (Score:5, Insightful)
Because they get other people killed. One recent example: Samoa Island had 2 kids dying shortly after getting their MPR vaccine (in the end it turned out that the nurses injected muscle relaxants instead of the vaccine). The anti-vaxxers used those 2 deaths in a massive anti vaccine campaign with the end result of a measles outbreak that killed at least 76 people in Samoa alone.
If the anti-vaxx movement is not stopped, deadly outbreaks such as this will be the norm in the future. And they are gaining traction, even as people die from covid they are increasing their numbers.
Supplement-afraiders (Score:2)
I see a lot of "FDA has not evaluated" statements printed on supplements that have been prescribed by doctors, like vitamins B, C, and D, minerals like iron and calcium, and such. Do you avoid them because the FDA didn't put a sticker on it?
I've had multiple doctors suggest that I take vaccinations while they have my immune system suppressed to fight something they don't have a vaccine for. When I asked them to explain the logic of that, "Well, we have to ask everyone if they've taken the flu and pneumonia
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Just because it is approved (especially under an "emergency approval") doesn't mean any of these current vaccines are 100% safe. They are still working out the contraindications on them. If you aren't in a high-risk group or high-exposure group, waiting to find out what which of the vaccines available so far are safer for you. It may be that the safest one for you isn't available yet.
This is an absolutely reasonable concern, and probably the real issue behind a lot of the current hesitation. That being said, by the time most of these people will even have the chance to make a decision about getting a vaccine... millions of others will have taken them and we will have that data.
Therefore, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if peoples' opinions on this change in a few months.
Re:Vax-afraiders (Score:5, Funny)
Just a matter of time (Score:2)
Keep people in lockdown long enough and eventually they will agree to be injected with bleach.
Fortunately we now have vaccines so it will not come to that.
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Well in France we had 2 lockdowns but pro-vaccines went from 60% to 40%. No idea how it happened. I though America was idiocracy numer one but it seems we stole the title.
Maybe they secretly like the relaxation. It is France...
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Well in France we had 2 lockdowns but pro-vaccines went from 60% to 40%. No idea how it happened. I though America was idiocracy numer one but it seems we stole the title.
America: Hold my beer...
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Pfizer and Moderna and Effective and Safe (Score:5, Informative)
The vaccines being rolled out in G7 countries are the mRNA ones, namely Pfizer and Moderna.
So far, over a million Americans have received the vaccines [cnbc.com], and over 600,000 in the UK. In addition to those, Canada and Japan starting roll out, so at least tens of thousands of people got them. [www.gov.uk]
Efficacy, per test results submitted to the FDA, are 94% and 95%. That is preventing serious disease and hospitalization. For preventing infectiousness, results are 52% for Pfizer and 67% for Moderna.
If there was something wrong with these vaccines, it would have shown by now. The worse side effect is a physician in Boston who has shellfish allergy and carries and EpiPen [globalnews.ca], which he used after the vaccine. About five other people had allergic reactions too, and all made it after a period of observation. There is talk about polyethelene glycol (PEG) causing these allergies, but that is not conclusive yet.
If you have allergies, don't take it, and talk to your allergist. If you don't then you are most likely OK.
On the other hands countries like Russia are rolling out the Sputnik V adenovirus vector vaccine without the result being made public or reviewed by independent experts in the field. The same goes for the SinoPharm which is a classic attenuated virus, which is being rolled out in some countries (UAE for example) without the results being made public. The latter is probably safe, because it is a classic approach that has been used for 100+ years. However, the process is flawed. Medicine should not be taken on a "trust me, it works and it is safe" word of manufacturer basis.
Re:Pfizer and Moderna and Effective and Safe (Score:5, Informative)
One of the interesting things about both these vaccines is that they use a generic delivery mechanism. The only difference between Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine and the cancer therapies it has been testing for years is the protein encoded by the mRNA sequence. Everything else is the same. If you're allergic to one vaccine that uses Moderna's technology, you're going to be allergic to all of them. If you are not allergic to one, you almost certainly aren't allergic to any.
This contrasts with traditional killed-virus or attenuated-virus vaccines, which take years to develop and test because every one is completely unique and contains many possible antigen targets that have not been fully evaluated for safety. This technology will speed future vaccine development by an order of magnitude over traditional vaccines by eliminating almost all the trial-and-error involved.
At present, all the serious side effects we've seen have been prompt allergic reactions -- within minutes of getting the vaccine. This means (a) that the reaction is to something in the lipid nanoparticle delivery vehicle (polyethylene glycol is suspected) and (b) the reaction can easily be treated if the vaccine is administered in a clinical setting prepared to respond to anaphylaxis. Even if I had a history of allergic reactions, I would still get this vaccine if I had my doctor's OK. I'd just be choosy about where I got it -- probably a hospital rather than a pop-up inoculation clinic.
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If you have allergies, don't take it, and talk to your allergist. If you don't then you are most likely OK.
May want to talk to your doctor about this. FDA and CDC are both recommending getting the vaccine even if you have a history or hospitalization from allergies. The risk from allergic reaction for people with a history of severe reactions is considered less than the risk from covid.
When digging into this, it seems even the flu shot has gotten the same recommendation in recent years. The purity and quality of vaccines has gotten to the point that allergic reaction rates is less than that of prescribed drugs
Vaccine infectiousness is the key (Score:5, Interesting)
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I'd Love To Get A Covid Vaccine (Score:2)
But it really looks like it won't be available for my demographic group until late summer at best. 70 (but not 75), some comorbidity issues, but staying home except for grocery shopping (maybe dropping to normal week-week and 1/2 now that the holidays are winding down) and quietly going crazy. So I'm in that in-between group that's not quite old enough, not quite sick enough, and not quite essential enough. Oh well...my kid needs an inheritance, right?
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Yes, thanks. In fact, please!! Except you're lying. Mitch took your dose, so you don't have it to offer.
I'm in ASAP (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't want to bring the virus home to my wife and kid, so I'll be vaccinated as soon as I can.
A vaccine is of course not 100% risk-free
It could even end up killing some person, in theory. The virus has actually already killed millions. So the risk calculation isn't difficult for me.
If some people want to wait a few more months that's fine. There isn't enough to go around anyway.
I wont vaccinate anytime soon (Score:2, Insightful)
I live in Australia. No Covid-19 here. Let the foreign guinea pigs test it out first.
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Things could easily flare up in Sydney.
With universities crying to allow 10s of 1000s of students back into the country I'm crossing my fingers in Melbourne hotel quarantine is bulletproof this time.
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Also, I'd rather get a vaccine than get covid, even if I'm unlikely to die from covid.
Re:I'm in ASAP (Score:5, Informative)
> Are you aware that this vaccine is not tested for preventing infections ?
I'm not sure if that's a typo, or you're slightly confused.
It reduces infections "in the first round" by 95%, where infections are measured by positive test results. Which means it almost reduces infections by 100%.
It's theoretically possible, though extremely unlikely, that someone could pick up just enough of the virus to pass it along, maybe just getting it in their hands and then touching another surface, but never get sick and never test positive and the vaccine wasn't specifically tested for that because it's so unlikely that it's not really even worth testing.
It's important to note that the 95% is per round.
Consider without any vaccine, John caught it and passed it to his wife, Jane. Jane works at the gas station, where she passed it to your wife. Your wife, in turn, passes it to you.
Now suppose only John is vaccinated. That reduces his chance of getting it by 95%, so it becomes 95% less likely that he catches it and passes it to Jane, your wife, and you.
Suppose John and Jane are vaccinated. It's 95% less likely that John gets it, and ALSO much less likely that Jane gets it even if John does, because Jane is vaccinated. John and Jane both being vaccinated reduces by 99% the chance of that transmission that ends with you getting it.
Suppose John, Jane, your wife, and you are all vaccinated. It's 95% less likely for John to get it. Even if he gets it, it's very unlikely for Jane to get it. Even if Jane gets it, it's very unlikely for your wife to catch it from Jane. Even if your wife gets it, your vaccination protects you from catching it from your wife. So all four of you being vaccinated cuts by 99.99% the chance that you catch it, from John via your wife and Jane.
Actually your main protection isn't even from your vaccination. You are mostly protected by the people you have contact with being vaccinated.
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Yes, that's not what was tested, and there is a reason that's not what was tested!
That's not what was tested because vaccines / inoculation since the 1500s and over the 500 years, people who are vaccinated for something don't catch it and pass it along to others.
It's theoretically possible, but so very, very unlikely.
Kinda like it's possible that COVID was brought to earth by space aliens.
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Are you aware that this vaccine is not tested for preventing infections ? this efficiency percentage only looks at the severity of the symptoms, not transmission.
Even if you're vaccinated, the risk for others stays the same.
Just because the trials didn't look at something specific, does not mean that the situation there is necessarily the most pessimistic possibility.
Somehow, every single time an expert says "we don't know if XYZ," (even if they also say XYZ is unlikely) there's invariably some sort of widely-shared article saying "Experts say maybe XYZ!!!!"
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Even if you're vaccinated, the risk for others stays the same.
Source please, if there is one. We don't know exactly what the risk is, that's the point.
Also, for some vaccines there is already early evidence that it will help reduce transmission, at least for the AstraZeneca [thelancet.com] and Novavax [novavax.com] vaccines.
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That seems like a reasonable viewpoint, to me.
Let me point out that when you go back 40 years to find a worst-case scenario, a couple hundred people got GBS.
COVID has already killed well over a million people and caused millions more to be debilitated. So the worst case for the vaccine is MUCH, MUCH better than the actual, known effects of the virus.
Even if I knew the vaccine would cause damage to hundreds of people, that's still a lot better than the virus, which kills millions. And that's assuming the w
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And while it is certainly true that this is a gross display of hypocrisy in those who downplayed the gravity of the situation, it also sends the message that the vaccine is safe enough to all the morons who trust those douches.
And though I'm sure a good part of those will believe that it wasn't really the vaccine that they took, but something harmless, so they could
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Good! Guinea pigs [youtu.be] aren't the best choice for biological testing anyway.
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It's more a matter of personal taste [youtu.be], really.
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But they are more delicious.
Guinea pigs raised as pets are the same species as the cavies raised for meat, but a different breed. The meat cavies are larger. They are a common food in the highlands of South America.
Guinea pigs as food [wikipedia.org]
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You get a gold star for getting the reference. But you lose two gold stars for being the "well ackshually" guy.
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Tried 'em in Peru (where there are Guinea pig restaurants), BBQ'ed on a stick. Seemed mostly flavorless.
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Maybe not a guinea pig but definitely a fool.
Re: You first. (Score:2)
Yes, Iâ(TM)m sure she raises the usual sort of pigs.
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That's because your father was a hamster!
Re:You first. (Score:5, Insightful)
Any vaccine of any kind can cause a reaction including this one; but thusfar only a tiny number of people have had a reaction to it -- and no one has died because of it.
Furthermore: by the time it is available to (You), MILLIONS of people will already have had both doses of the vaccine, any side effects will be well-known by then.
Last but not least:
* It is NOT going to 'sterilize' you
* It is NOT going to make you into a zombie
* It is NOT going to kill your testosterone production
* It is NOT going to {insert stupid conspiracy theory here}
GET THE DAMNED VACCINE WHEN IT IS AVAILABLE SO WE CAN END THIS STUPID GODDAMNED PANDEMIC AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!
I dunno about (You) but I got things to do and all this shit is holding everything up!
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And
* It is NOT made of dead babies
* It does NOT contain 'microchips', whatever those are.
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Hey everyone, I found the baseless, arrogant, pussy, who clearly isn't a geek.
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My momma didn't raise no guinea pig!
While you retire to your Unabomber cabin in the woods, the rest of us want to take the vaccine and resume a normal life.
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Same here. I'll wait until the first few million have been vaxxed before deciding to take it myself.
2 million Americans have already been vaccinated [nytimes.com].
A million more have been vaccinated in the UK.
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Re: Still waiting for flu shot... (Score:2)
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How is Obama's fault? Got any proof of that? Blame Trump for failing to exercise sound judgement (by his own admission he hired morons and then took a long time to fire them and now he is victim to his own agencies that he ran for 4 years as a fool).
Re: Propaganda (Score:4, Insightful)
And bypassing that lame duck Senate.. boo hoo. If Obama would have proposed making Christianity the official religion of the US, the Republicans would have opposed it simply because "Obama". The reason we're spiraling to the bottom is because our "leaders" would rather draw lines in the sand instead of finding real solutions to help real people. Of course, why would they gives a shit? Most of them were already wealthy prior to being elected. Unfortunately most with good intentions get corrupted quite easily.
Re: Propaganda (Score:2, Insightful)
What's wrong with bypassing a lame-duck Senate? First of all, in 2015 there was no lame duck anyone. A lame duck session refers to the
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It's unfortunate that most don't have the courage to stand against what is wrong until they've already decided they'll be retiring. That's how bad the "establishment" is, toe the line or get destroyed.
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If that's an example of your deep thought, I'll take the Times, thank you.
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Well, nobody's *perfect*, but there's a big difference between outlets that routinely report their sources vs. those that simply tell people what (or more importantly, *who*) to believe.
The New York Times (like any other source) may be biased, but if you want to know *why* they believe more people are accepting of the vaccines, the reason is right there in the article [nytimes.com]: Polling from several different independent organizations (Gallup, Pew, Kaiser) agree on this trend.
Re: The New Youk Times reports? (Score:2)
You can agree or disagree with the NYT, but their journalistic integrity is excellent.
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Maybe Newsmax would confirm your bias?
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Next time you prepare a laptop with real and faked information in it, make sure that the faked one uses the same file format than the real ones for instan
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The FBI had the laptop files for over a year now and nothing has happened.
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Re: They still don't believe (Score:2, Funny)
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Username checks out.
Re: They still don't believe (Score:2)
Re:Tens Of Thousands Of Years... (Score:5, Insightful)
Perhaps in another 4-5 years after there's significantly more data.
People like you are not going to look at the data anyway, and in 4-5 years you will still not be satisfied that the vaccine was safe.
You don't even know what you're afraid of. Just, something bad.
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"People like me"? Who, exactly, are you referring to? Which people?
You, to be specific.
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[citation needed] regarding MSM saying nobody should take Trump's Vaccine. The coverage I've seen has been quite the opposite, while downplaying (of course) Trump's attempts to take credit for it all.
Please just stop (Score:2)
Please stop voting. Most important of all, do not have children.
Doing either will make the world a better place.