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Intel Unveils New Core H-Series Laptop and 11th Gen Desktop Processors At CES 2021 (hothardware.com) 68

MojoKid writes: At its virtual CES 2021 event today, Intel's EVP Gregory Bryant unveiled an array of new processors and technologies targeting virtually every market, from affordable Chromebooks to enthusiast-class gaming laptops and high-end desktops. Intel's 11th Gen Core vPro platform was announced, featuring new Intel Hardware Shield AI-enabled threat ransomware and crytpo-mining malware detection technology. In addition, the Intel Rocket Lake-S based Core i9-11900K 8-core CPU was revealed, offering up to a 19% improvement in IPC performance and the ability to out-pace AMD's Ryzen 9 5900X 12-core CPU in some workloads like gaming. Also, a new high-end hybrid processor, code-named Alder Lake was previewed. Alder Lake packs both high-performance cores and high-efficiency cores on a single product, for what Intel calls its "most power-scalable system-on-chip" ever. Alder Lake will also be manufactured using an enhanced version of 10nm SuperFin technology with improved power and thermal characteristics, and targets both desktop and mobile form factors when they arrive later this year.

Finally, Intel launched its new 11th Gen Core H-Series Tiger Lake H35 parts that will appear in high-performance laptops as thin as 16mm. At the top of the 11th Gen H-Series stack is the Intel Core i7-11375H Special Edition, a 35W quad-core processor (8-threads) that turbos up to 5GHz and supports PCI Express 4.0, and is targeted for ultraportable gaming notebooks. Intel is claiming single-threaded performance improvements in the neighborhood of 15% over previous-gen architectures and a greater than 40% improvement in multi-threaded workloads. Intel's Bryant also announced an 8-core mobile processor variant leveraging the same architecture as the 11th Gen H-Series that is slated to start shipping a bit later this quarter at 5GHz on multiple cores, with 20 lanes of PCIe Gen 4 connectivity.

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Intel Unveils New Core H-Series Laptop and 11th Gen Desktop Processors At CES 2021

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  • Anyone who still tracks Intel development here, who knows how available their 10nm actually are nowadays? And at what prices?

    Still extremely expensive ar zero availability, or is that an outdated view.

    Also... 20 lanes?
    Not 128? Not 64? 20?
    Is that a typo or some kind of meme?

    • Re:10nm? (Score:4, Informative)

      by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:40PM (#60929602)
      The new 11900K is not on 10nm. It is 14nm backported from 10nm. As such, this is speculation on why it lost 2 cores compared to the 10900K.
      • Yet another kick at the 14nm can. Got old long ago. Intel is stepping in it deeper and deeper.

      • As such, this is speculation on why it lost 2 cores compared to the 10900K.

        also, single thread performance -- intel needed to reclaim the single thread performance crown, esp. for gamers.

        lose 2 cores to reduce thermals, max out the boost freq. of your remaining cores, and claim you offer the best gaming CPU
        the 11900K only has ~5% faster single thread performance than amd's best, but at least now amd isn't besting intel in multi-threading and single threads.

        • Yes I am speculating that Intel has basically overclocked the chip and pushed both frequency and power consumption to the max while calling it baseline. It will be interesting what reviewers find when they get the chip: "Yeah it has 19% IPC gains but I needed a nuclear reactor to generate enough power and a black hole to siphon off all the heat."
    • Sixteen for your GPU and four for your M.2
    • 10nm has been DOA for more than a year. It's dead Jim.

    • Intel's consumer platforms often have few PCIe lanes from the SoC/CPU. 20 is pretty normal for them.

      10nm is still widely-unavailable in anything but 4c form. The 8c Tiger Lake mentioned in the article will be their first 10nm chip with more than four cores on the consumer market.

  • I want an actual keyboard! Not a beveled touchpad!
    And a proper swappable battery (ideally while running) system or /serioulsy/ GTFO and die impaled on a cactus.

    • I'll settle for replaceable battery (i.e., not glued in or that typical Apple bullshit that others emulate). For emergency power, external battery pack on USB-C works great. Much better actually, you don't have to stop the computer to connect.

      • I'll settle for replaceable battery (i.e., not glued in or that typical Apple bullshit that others emulate). For emergency power, external battery pack on USB-C works great. Much better actually, you don't have to stop the computer to connect.

        Some laptops used to have hot swappable batteries, without the need to power down. One in the drive bay, one main battery. You could keep going all day in the field with a big stack of batteries. This is no longer a thing with the death of DVD drives.

        • My T460 still has this, it's pretty old but not old enough to have a DVD drive. There's a battery in the rear that you can swap, and a built-in one under the trackpad area that lives there. It'll first use the removable battery so yeah you can go the whole day swapping them out.

          With up to 18 hours of battery life, you can go all day without recharging. Whatâ(TM)s more, Power Bridge Technology combines an internal battery with an external hot-swappable battery. This provides flexibility, allowing you to swap batteries without powering down, maximizing time between charges.

          Lol at the 18 hours, but the rest works as advertised.

          https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/l... [lenovo.com]

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      • I'd be tempted just to buy one of those detachable ones and not bother with the keyboard base. e.g. the just announced Thinkpad x12 [theverge.com]

        My backpack is long enough to carry a full-size USB keyboard, so why not?

      • Do Thinkpads still have "real" keyboards? I

        Yes, the Carbon X1 has a delightful keyboard. It doesn't have the same look as the proper keyboard on the W510, so I was sceptical. Having used it, it' a delight. Keys have good travel and nice feel. I actually prefer it to my W510, and I dislike most laptop keyboards.

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          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            I'm in the market for a laptop too, but trying to hold out for Ryzen 5000 mobile parts and USB 4. That should bring Thunderbolt capability and a step up in performance.

        • by amorsen ( 7485 )

          Yes, the Carbon X1 has a delightful keyboard.

          Carbon X1 Gen8? I have one, I love it in many ways, but the keyboard is unreliable.

          • Carbon X1 Gen8? I have one, I love it in many ways, but the keyboard is unreliable.

            Uhh...

            Good question. I'm not actually sure. It's not super new, but new enough to have a 1TB disk and 4k display. It's had heavy and not particularly kind use but has not exhibited any keyboard problems. I think maybe 7th gen.

      • The Thinkpads now have "chiclet" keyboards like everyone else. They also ditched their 7-row layout that mimicked a standard keyboard for a more typical laptop layout with home/end/page up/page down move wherever. With that said, they still have the best keyboards of any modern laptop, but their keyboards are not as good as they were 15 years ago.

  • by crunchy_one ( 1047426 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:52PM (#60929668)

    new Intel Hardware Shield AI-enabled threat ransomware and crytpo-mining malware detection technology

    Yes, you're likely to never again find such a fine assortment of buzzwords all lovingly baked into one delicious chip.

  • But can they make them? In volume? Cost efficiently?
  • Succeeds again.

    One of the things I noticed in the Hugh Pickens COVID story with a link to the Slashdot Hall of Fame [slashdot.org], was that four of the most active submitters MojoKid, itwbennet, sciencehabit and coondoggie are all spammers.

  • by Canberra1 ( 3475749 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:59PM (#60929706)
    Speculative execution, side channels, lookaside buffers etc. As they are silent on this matter I will wait till the fixed stuff comes along. BTW all this locked loader rubbish that also comes with Intel is another issue.
    • Yeah, I wonder the same thing. It's really hard to find clear information as to what is fixed in hardware and what isn't on which processors.

      ...almost like most people don't care. Which, unfortunately, is probably the case.

    • Why would you care? I mean it's been years now and the number of times this exploit has affected people has been zero. Do you have windows in your house? That's a major security risk right there, someone could throw a brick through them.

      If you're going to shit on Intel, shit on them for their poor value proposition, the loaded rubbish (you did that already, kudos), their processor lockdowns, their lack of backwards compatibility, their piss poor approach to peripherals (20 PCIe 4.0 lanes, did they gimp the

    • by vyvepe ( 809573 )
      Did they fix at least meltdown so that they are at the same level as AMD from security point of view?
      • by vyvepe ( 809573 )

        I tried to look it up and had a partial success. Metldown is fixed in the 10th generation in hardware. I did not find info about this 11th generation (e.g. i9-11900K) but I guess it is fixed when it was fixed in the 10th generation.

        Source: https://software.intel.com/sec... [intel.com]

  • "AI-enabled threat ransomware and crytpo-mining malware detection technology" has to live somewhere - could it be in the Manegement Engine like similar features? I am quite a bit skeptical for two major reasons:

    1. Anti-virus and threat detection software - what is really an appropriate to run in this environment? Could we get more prevention (like fixing your side channel attack-enabling bugs ...) instead of detection? I would rather stop exploits from executing at all, instead of detecting their presence o

    • Mod up. But also remember GLOBAL WARMING is caused by this unnecessary cpu cycles of the management chip, that apparently cannot be turned off altogether. Transistors uses electricity, creating global warming, maybe more that larger less efficient fab sizes. There is a chance Apple grabs a of business, while AMD sits. Risky for Intel to load up power sucking leeches and do poorly on efficiency.
    • Yes.

      vPro means IME for corporate admin access.

  • by malkavian ( 9512 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:39PM (#60929906)

    And there lies the the crux. Intel has been known for a while to push the speed per core as far as it'll go, focusing on a small number of reasonably nippy cores.
    AMD focused on a large number of cores that are almost (and in the last round of Ryzens, equally) as zippy as Intel's cores.
    So, the message that Intel sends out is that "In some workloads", such as Gaming (which is often dependent on a very small number of fast cores currently, though this may well change given the low cost of cores these days) they perform better.
    What's going to be of interest, is a published breakdown of how the two compare under a variety of conditions and tasks. When you get to compare it objectively and see where it's strong, and where it's weak, and perhaps why it has strengths and weaknesses, then people can make objective and informed purchasing decision.
    Otherwise it's like choosing broadband and having one company offer you "Up to 1Gbps", and a second offer "Up to 250Mbps". What the first doesn't tell you is that "Up to" in your case is an implementation of RFC 1149 with one pigeon they found in the local trash can (and still aren't certain if it's alive).

    • In reviewing the Ryzen 9 5950X [youtube.com], Gamer's Nexus noted that it went routinely above 5.0 GHz during testing even though the specification says "Up to 4.9 Ghz" during max boost. They contacted AMD to determine if there was some sort artificial boosting from the motherboard. AMD responded that the 4.9 GHz was the minimum expected, and that the CPU could boost above that. AMD was just being conservative in their estimates.
      • by Bert64 ( 520050 )

        A few years ago you needed cooling that was adequate to stop the machine overheating and crashing, anything more than that was largely a waste.
        These days a more powerful cooling system can directly result in better performance.

        It's likely that the 4.9 figure is based on a worst case scenario using the stock cooling.

        • 5950X doesnt come with stock cooling.
          • It's a 105W TDP chip (142W sustained power draw when cooling isn't an issue). If you spec a ~110W cooler for the thing, it won't boost as high as if your cooling solution can handle abit more power dissipation. I don't know if Vermeer (Zen3/5000-series) works exactly the same way, but der8auer found that Matisse (Zen2/3000-series) could handle an extra 50 MHz clocks for every 20C you dropped the hotspot temps. It's actually kind of hard to get those temps below 70-80c (depending on the workload) due to t

        • So now overclockers are using stock instead of water to cool down their processors? That's brilliant! Reusing the leftover heat to help the food industry.
          • Overclockers will still need better cooling for their purposes; for their 5950X testing Gamer’s Nexus did not use custom water cooling and made sure that all settings were out of the box in their test setup and used an air cooler.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Cooling is the other issue. Intel parts run hot, their 14nm process is a lot less efficient than the 7nm that AMD is using. So while they may technically be faster, that's only if you are not thermally constrained, not overclocking your AMD into the same thermal envelope, and don't care about power consumption.

      It's particularly bad on laptops where cooling is limited by the form factor and weight requirements, and where power very much does matter.

  • I don't see any prices there so it's hard to say what markets they're targeting.

    For example, are they targeting the $300 notebook market where Ryzen is king? Probably not at all.

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