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Facebook Says It's Banning the Phrase 'Stop the Steal' (thehill.com) 692

Facebook announced on Monday that it is taking down content on its platforms that contain the phrase "Stop the Steal" in the wake of the violent rioting by a pro-Trump mob at the U.S. Capitol last week. The Hill reports: "We are now removing content containing the phrase 'stop the steal' under our Coordinating Harm policy from Facebook and Instagram," the company said in a blog post on Monday. The move, the company noted in the message, comes two months after it removed a group called "Stop the Steal" that had gathered a following of over 300,000 members and would spread misinformation about the election.

"We've been allowing robust conversations related to the election outcome and that will continue. But with continued attempts to organize events against the outcome of the US presidential election that can lead to violence, and use of the term by those involved in Wednesday's violence in DC, we're taking this additional step in the lead up to the inauguration," the company said in the post Monday. "It may take some time to scale up our enforcement of this new step but we have already removed a significant number of posts," it continued. The company said its team will be working around the clock to enforce its policies around the coming inauguration of President-elect Biden.

"We will keep our Integrity Operations Center operating at least through January 22 to monitor and respond to threats in real time. We already had it active ahead of Georgia's runoff elections and Congress's counting of the Electoral College votes in the US presidential election. We extended it due to the violence at the Capitol last week," the company added. The company also said it will continue its pause on ads in the U.S. pertaining to politics or the elections in the meantime. "This means that we aren't allowing any ads from politicians, including President Trump," it stated.

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Facebook Says It's Banning the Phrase 'Stop the Steal'

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  • 1984 is here (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Koby77 ( 992785 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:03PM (#60930178)
    This is what Newspeak looks like.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by RazorSharp ( 1418697 )

      What are the possible options to explain this post:

      1) You have not read 1984

      2) You did not understand 1984 when you read it.

      3) You are arguing in bad faith.

      In "The Principles of Newspeak", the appendix to the novel, Orwell explains that Newspeak follows most of the rules of English grammar, yet is a language characterised by a continually diminishing vocabulary; complete thoughts reduced to simple terms of simplistic meaning.

      From wiki, “newspeak.”

      Hmm. . .sounds kind of like your post.

    • Funny you should talk about an authoritative government. We have a delusion man in power who believes the entire world is lying to him about the latest election results.

    • This is what Newspeak looks like.

      This would seem appropriate [tumblr.com].

    • Well except of course, Germany has had a similar ban on holocaust-denying since like the end of WWII and they have a strong economy and functional democracy. So if the best you've got is that somehow 1984 predicts that the US will look a little more like Germany, I guess this is a pretty good action on Facebook's part.
      • You mean the Germany where police will raid your home when you question the wisdom of letting in a ton of migrants under the guise of being refugees (with most of them never setting a foot in Syria in their life) or *gasp* insult a politician online?

        No, thanks.
  • So does that mean that Facebook's blog post announcing this decision must also be taken down? Doesn't it contain "Stop the Steal"?

  • wtf does "stop the steal" even mean? :O Must be some new Gen-? lingo I'm not familiar with?
  • by BrendaEM ( 871664 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:11PM (#60930204) Homepage
    All the alleging about the poor treatment of Republicans on the Internet, and then they did something worthy of all the takedowns they earned.
  • Section 230 (Score:5, Insightful)

    by lsllll ( 830002 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:13PM (#60930214)
    Now do we see what's wrong with Section 230 as is written? Facebook should not be able to do this. Take away the immunity and throw liability at them and they'll come around.
    • Re:Section 230 (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:17PM (#60930226)

      Now do we see what's wrong with Section 230 as is written? Facebook should not be able to do this. Take away the immunity and throw liability at them and they'll come around.

      Idiot. Throw liability at them and nobody would ever again allow Trump to post anything anywhere.

    • Re:Section 230 (Score:5, Insightful)

      by lsllll ( 830002 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:20PM (#60930236)
      And before you jump down my throat in support of FB, realize where I'm coming from. This means I can't go on FB and say "What the Stop the Steal douchebags did was completely wrong." Either FB is going to filter their content, in which case they need to be liable for the content that they let through, or they shouldn't be filtering ANY content. Filtering content based on "includes the phrase" is exactly the type of filtration that should NOT be happening on FB.
      • Re:Section 230 (Score:4, Interesting)

        by fafalone ( 633739 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:00PM (#60930434)
        So every site must host a flood of spam and porn, allow every conversation to devolve into racial slurs etc, or lose liability protection?
        • by drnb ( 2434720 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:46PM (#60930642)

          So every site must host a flood of spam and porn, allow every conversation to devolve into racial slurs etc, or lose liability protection?

          Not quite, illegal content can always be removed. For questionable legal content they can offer end user filtering. A user can choose if they want such things filtered out. Get over it, if you want to manage content beyond that required by law you are a publisher. Sorry you can't have it both ways, enforce a personal political ideology and be a platform.

          • by Ksevio ( 865461 )

            Well that's pretty much the dumbest policy I've heard all day. You completely can have it both ways and all the sites on the Internet do, otherwise either
              a. all sites would be garbage full of spam
            or
            b. all sites would ban user submissions

            Fortunately there's another option called "moderation" that is in the middle

            • Well that's pretty much the dumbest policy I've heard all day. You completely can have it both ways and all the sites on the Internet do, otherwise either a. all sites would be garbage full of spam or b. all sites would ban user submissions

              Fortunately there's another option called "moderation" that is in the middle

              Nope. You use user selected filtering and/or user moderations. The key is the user made the decision not the provider. There is little difference between "6MWE" being filtered out because a user checked "[x] Hate" on their provider's filters or a publisher did it automatically. Either ways its gone.

    • Why do Trump and his supporters think getting rid of Section 230 would help, it confuses the fuck out of me as in actuality it means people like Trump will be perma banned everywhere, the legal trouble it would cause to allow controversial views would be too much so you would get even heavier moderation and apps like Parlor would quickly be sued into oblivion.
  • by felixrising ( 1135205 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:23PM (#60930256)
    What about the numberous articles refuting the claims and that mention "stop the steal", surely these should not be removed too? This action appears to be far too broad and goes a step too far. Think of this, this very comment would be removed whilst doing nothing to propagate the "stop the steal" propaganda.
  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:23PM (#60930260)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by Beeftopia ( 1846720 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:46PM (#60930364)

    Has there been any actual evidence of fraud? I mean, something affirmed by a court somewhere, not just someone's assertion?

    These claims of fraud are like claims on the Internet without citations. Where are the citations from credible sources?

    2018 was the first year that California put in place its new voting mechanism, with vastly expanded mail-in ballots and 3rd party delivery of votes ("ballot harvesting"), and various other changes. [politico.com] The Republicans got spanked, which led to that initial suspicion of voter fraud. From the article:

    "We were only down 26 seats the night of the election and three weeks later, we lost basically every California race,’’ Ryan said Thursday. “This election system they have — I can’t begin to understand what ‘ballot harvesting’ is.”

    In part due to mail-in and provisional ballots that delivered the margin of victory to Democratic challengers in a handful of seats, California’s Republican delegation appears to have been slashed in half — in the new Congress, Republicans are likely to hold just seven of the state’s 53 House seats, the party’s lowest number since the 1940’s.

    In an op-ed earlier this week, former state GOP Chair Shawn Steel, a member of the Republican National Committee, stopped short of claiming outright fraud in the aftermath, but charged that California’s moves to expand vote by mail, “motor-voter” registrations, early voting and allowing voting for ex-felons have “systematically undermined” voter protection laws.

    Ryan’s comments about a state’s elections process put him in league with some prominent California Republicans who have recently expressed befuddlement — and anger — about the series of GOP incumbents whose defeats came after officials completed the tallies of millions of absentee and provisional ballots.

    So, this is the kernel from which the charges of "stolen election" arise, as these things have moved to many states and the covid pandemic amplified the mail-in balloting.

    However, back to the core issue: The Republicans had 2 years to investigate California voting, and this time, there has been a month to present any evidence of theft and to my knowledge, there has been no evidence up till now. Certainly the issue should continue to be investigated, just as the Capitol riot should be investigated, but until there is concrete evidence, claiming there is, is merely a disinformation campaign.

  • by GrEp ( 89884 ) <crb002@NOSPAM.gmail.com> on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:54PM (#60930396) Homepage Journal

    FB censoring Ron Paul today is what got me. He has been the loudest advocate for peace since Iraq II.

    • What we've accomplished since "1984" is that now the Ministry of Truth has been privatized:
      https://fee.org/articles/faceb... [fee.org]

  • And this is why big tech needs government regulation and oversight.

    I am wondering if big tech really cares or if this is just a ploy to try and win the favor of the Harris-Biden administration.

    Big tech has taken very few blanket steps against activists up to this point but now everyone (Apple, Stripe, Amazon, Google, Facebook, Twitter) have all decided that their policies are being violated. I guess they all rode the Trump Train as far as it could go and now they have to transfer to the Harris-Biden train.

    When the German Chancellor steps up to defend Trump the world just got really, really weird.
    https://apnews.com/article/mer... [apnews.com]

  • by Austerity Empowers ( 669817 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:02PM (#60930448)

    T-shirts and commemorative memorabilia now available!

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:27PM (#60930574)
    as private services but healthcare? Nope, that's every man for himself.
  • by memory_register ( 6248354 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @10:35PM (#60930598)
    No, seriously. Facebook is built to algorithmically make you more emotional, angry, sad, excitable, anything to keep you on the platform longer. Making a big show of 'removing extremism' while fomenting emotional addiction in their users is like poisoning everyone and then saying, "Well look how good we are! At least we didn't give you cancer!"

    Moreover, extremism withers in the sunlight, not the ghetto. Don't believe me? Look up Daryl Davis, the black pastor who converts KKK members by talking to them and letting them see him as a person. (Link: https://www.theguardian.com/mu... [theguardian.com]) What Facebook, Twitter etc. is doing is not helping.
  • by TerminaMorte ( 729622 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:16PM (#60930768) Homepage
    "Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts."

    - Nancy Pelosi (5/16/17)
  • by iggymanz ( 596061 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:24PM (#60930796)

    I bellyfeel facebook is doubleplusgood to rectify thoughtcrime and makeTrump an unperson, the net will have goodthink and duckspeak. Now pardon me while I go to the online Hate to throw beanbags at Ron Paul on my monitor.

  • Well, of course- (Score:5, Insightful)

    by thermowax ( 179226 ) on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:45PM (#60930852)

    It refs unpersons, after all.

    But really, what's the motivation? I'm guessing:

    1. Petty vindictiveness. I don't have any doubt about this one: I've been in IT for 40 years, and I've never seen such an assortment of entitled, self righteous, and utterly uninformed little shits. I and my cohorts took pride in the fact that we were building something that could be deployed unstoppably under the noses of oppressive governments, especially ours. (This predated the TIS FW toolkit). The whole thing was SUPPOSED to be the Wild West, that's what made it beautiful.
    2. Money. Big Tech is bending over for the new administration and all those delicious dollars to be coaxed out of China.
    3. Arrogance. Why is it such a common theme that Progressives seem to feel the need to tell others what to do? Or, said differently, protect people from themselves? I'd like to see a little more culling of the gene pool- stupid persists if it's not painful.
    .
    .
    98. I think some noble aspirations about "Democracy" and "violence" are far, far down on the list.

    I know some people personally that work at FB, and by extension, some of their FB social circle- also personally. I realize this is anecdotal, but it's been consistent so far: they are absolutely over-the-top clinically batshit crazy. I say this with neither hyperbole or humor. They've been raised in an echo chamber and told that they're the coolest, smartest thought-leaders ever... and while they can sling Ajax or whatever they're using now far better than I, they're actually completely introspectively, emotionally, and intellectually stunted. It's like Ellen Degeneres or Streisand in tech. In their mind, you're not even allowed to look at them.

  • by haunebu ( 16326 ) on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @01:30AM (#60931130) Homepage

    What if Verizon or T-Mobile filtered the words each time you told a friend it's time to "stop the steal?" You're speaking with them in a real conversation but Verizon's network recognized the words as they were transmitted them and just... silenced them. Not good, right?

    That's exactly what Facebook is doing, and it's exactly why they do not deserve Section 230 immunity.

  • by guacamole ( 24270 ) on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @05:11AM (#60931558)

    every time "stop the steal" was mentioned on twitter or facebook, I would probably afford a home in Silicone Valley.

  • by denny_deluxe ( 1693548 ) on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @07:29AM (#60931920)
    Because I really want to close these barn doors.
  • by magzteel ( 5013587 ) on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @09:25AM (#60932396)

    "learn to code" got banned too, when it was directed at laid-off journalists.
    It was ok when it was directed at miners

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