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Transportation Robotics

'Reliable Robotics' Startup Wants To Fill the Skies With Cargo-Filled Robot Planes (bloomberg.com) 51

nickwinlund77 shares a report from Bloomberg: There's nothing unusual looking about the 38-foot-long cargo plane that's been flying around Northern California for the past month. But the insides of the Cessna 208 have undergone a sci-fi makeover, resulting in a plane that's been taxiing, taking off, maneuvering in the air, and landing without a pilot. The machinery and software that let it fly on its own come from a startup called Reliable Robotics Corp., which has spent four years working on autonomous flight. The company has a grand total of two planes, but its long-term plan is to fill the sky with pilotless aircraft transporting cargo and passengers.

Reliable's story begins with the self-doubt of its co-founder and Chief Executive Officer Robert Rose. His attempt to become a pilot in college ended for lack of money, but by 2016 he'd earned enough to give the cockpit another shot. Rose, who'd spent his career building autonomous cars and spacecraft for Tesla Inc. and SpaceX, expected that planes would have modernized since he last hopped in a cockpit. But the one he took up had decades-old technology. The shock of how much the flight still relied on a human pilot hit Rose midair as he contemplated his rusty skills and mortality. "My first thought was, 'Wow, it's insane that a private person is allowed to do this,'" he says. "You have all this navigation that you need to manage and all the communications you have to do between other planes and taking instructions from air traffic control. There's layers and layers of stuff. All the while, you are one mistake away from a fatal accident. I kept thinking, 'How is this OK?'"

Rose founded Reliable in 2017 with Juerg Frefel, an old buddy from SpaceX. The pair set up shop in Rose's garage in Los Altos, Calif., planning to make improved autopilot technology. They hoped to tap into the mechanical and positioning systems available on most planes, buy a couple of off-the-shelf sensors, and tie everything together with clever software that could make the types of decisions usually expected of pilots. Each step of the way, however, they discovered the existing gear for sale wasn't resilient enough for the job. "You just could not have a serious conversation about removing the human from the plane with these parts," Rose says. "That meant we had to build."

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'Reliable Robotics' Startup Wants To Fill the Skies With Cargo-Filled Robot Planes

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  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Friday March 12, 2021 @09:21PM (#61152930)
    actually surprised it took this long. We've had military drones for ages. There's a pilot shortage because private companies won't pay to train pilots. They were getting them from the military for free, but we've cut back on that to save money and buy more bombs. Training pilots doesn't line the right pockets.
    • by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Friday March 12, 2021 @09:48PM (#61152982)
      I think it will be a very long time for large passenger planes to be drones. The economics aren't all that advantageous. You look at a taxi - 1 driver for 1 passenger - that ratio is awful. But you look at commercial aircraft - 2 pilots for about 160 passengers.

      Here we go:

      1. Taxes - 9% of the ticket cost cover Domestic passenger ticket tax, 8% cover 9/11 security fee, and a further 6% - a domestic flight segment tax (about 23% in total)
      2. Maintenance costs - Maintenance inspection 6%, labour - 6%, parts - 3% and engine restoration - 6% (about 21% in total)
      3. Takeoff and landing fees - about 19%
      4. Aircraft cost and amortization - 17% of your ticket cost
      5. The cost of running an airline - 14%
      6. Fuel cost - 4% of the ticket price
      7. Staff costs: pilot and crew - only 2% out of your $70

      https://skyrefund.com/en/blog/... [skyrefund.com]

      • The issue isnt the normal costs of having a pilot in charge of the aircraft, its things like “is the pilot available and do they have hours left to do this trip today?” and so on - having to cancel a flight with 200 plus passengers on board just because your pilot timed out of available flight hours that day (maybe because weather caused delays, or an inbound flight was delayed etc etc) can cost airlines a lot of money...

        Then theres fleet ops issues with new aircraft and training (which was one

        • etc.

          A fully automated piloting system would avoid all of that.

          Boeing took all the programmers that worked on MCAS, and they working on autonomous piloting software right now. This will be great, considering their successful rollout of MCAS.

          • When given the choice between somebody green and somebody who has been bitten hard and had to work through it, I'll take the seasoned person unless there's a really good reason not to.

            • When given the choice between somebody green and somebody who has been bitten hard and had to work through it, I'll take the seasoned person unless there's a really good reason not to.

              As I remind people all the time - incompetent people gain experience at the exact same rate as savants.

          • On the opposite end of the spectrum, Airbus has been extremely successful with high levels of automation in their aircraft since 1988, and while many people have tried to disparage Airbuses fly-by-wire system over the decades, its never caused the FAA to ground an Airbus fleet...

            • On the opposite end of the spectrum, Airbus has been extremely successful with high levels of automation in their aircraft since 1988, and while many people have tried to disparage Airbuses fly-by-wire system over the decades, its never caused the FAA to ground an Airbus fleet...

              A lot of planes fly semi autonomously. The Lockheed L-1011 could even land by itself, and that's hardly a new plane.

              But the problem is that automation is pretty nifty - autopilot is a great thing. but the concept of having no possible human intervention because there is no human to intervene means that any mistake in programming will kill everyone.

              At present, pilots can correct for anomalies. Back to the 1011, I just happened to watch a video about a 1011 where one side of the plane's elevator froze u

    • Thats why you go navy aviator ;-)
      • The Air Force has 12,500 pilots and the Navy has 7,000. Both branches are currently facing a shortage of qualified pilots so either branch is a good way to learn to be a military pilot. This website describes a few more differences between the two branches, but in reality they are very similar: Navy Pilot vs. Air Force Pilot [operationm...rykids.org]

        --
        Off We Go Into the Wild Blue Yonder
        • You shouldn't have to sign up to fight in a military just to have a job. Militaries shouldn't exist at all. It is completely unethical and violence is wrong.
          • Militaries shouldn't exist at all ... violence is wrong.

            We live in a complicated world:

            It's easy to identify wrong from right

            It's considerably more difficult to identify the wrong that's more right.

            • And they were "defending" themselves from hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghani civilians? It isn't that complicated really, violent maniacs like yourself make allowances for this, never actually experience it in your life so you don't care, and it keeps happening. My family in Iraq had literally nothing to do with any WMD I can assure you of that.
              • by Whibla ( 210729 )

                I'm not quite sure how to respond to this...

                Firstly, I am sorry for any suffering you and you family might have experienced, but I had nothing to do with it, I can assure you of that.

                Secondly, you don't know me, you have no idea the experiences I've had, but I forgive you your presumption of 'my' violent and maniacal tendencies.

                And no, they were defending (theoretically at least) those hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghani civilians (or their rights, at least). That you would deliberately choose to ign

          • > Militaries shouldn't exist at all. It is completely unethical and violence is wrong.

            Um okay. However, you do understand that militaries do in fact exist, right, and that some of them want to kill you?

            Given that fact, we're left with two choices:

            A. Die
            B. Have own military to defend us

    • The most common cause of crashes these days is "pilot error". Air France 447 was flown into the ocean because the pilot pulled back on the stick and kept it there, stalling the aircraft. He thought the Airbus was un-stallable, but due to icing the aircraft had defaulted to manual mode. Oops! A while back two Pakistani pilots tried to land an aircraft without lowering the gear first. Oops! The list goes on.
    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      actually surprised it took this long. We've had military drones for ages. There's a pilot shortage because private companies won't pay to train pilots. They were getting them from the military for free, but we've cut back on that to save money and buy more bombs. Training pilots doesn't line the right pockets.

      Uh, no.

      In the US, military pilots only consist of around 30% of the pilots in the commercial sector. The USAF has problems recruiting pilots and have been considering lowering standards because the num

  • need to X3 or more of each sensor & at least 3 cpus for quorum

  • Cargo that requires specialized handling/flying methods. The unstable explosive types. That way if it blows we can say the computer did it.
  • They have "reliable" in their name, right? So their system will be perfect and will never fail and it won't fall out of the sky and destroy the cargo and maybe something on the ground. And it will never hurt anybody ever.

    Also Pravda was always honest and lived up to it's name "Truth".

    • They have "reliable" in their name, right? So their system will be perfect and will never fail ...

      Agreed that they're trying too hard. The CEO's name is Robert Rose, so I'm guessing he just wanted something alliterative: Robert Rose's Reliable Robotics (for the cartoon logos and roof-top signage) -- either way, it's lame.

    • But tomorrow there coul dbe a company called "More reliable robots"...
    • They have "reliable" in their name, right? So their system will be perfect and will never fail and it won't fall out of the sky and destroy the cargo and maybe something on the ground. And it will never hurt anybody ever.

      Also Pravda was always honest and lived up to it's name "Truth".

      Sounds like a good place to segue into the success of MCAS.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    No indication how it handles other aircraft that are under VFR which is more likely in their specified goal of remote areas

    • They probably rely on the Airborne Collision Avoidance System II (ACAS II) to issue Resolution Advisories (RAs) and Traffic Advisories (TAs) which both the autopilot and human pilot can follow to keep from colliding.

      At unmanaged fields, the unmanned cargo plane may require an additional receiver to receive Mode 3/A signals. This would allow the VFR pilot to squawk ident twice to request the unmanned cargo plane execute another circuit around the holding pattern until the VFR plane is out of the area.

      --
  • by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Friday March 12, 2021 @10:50PM (#61153084)

    I'm fine with machine controlled airplanes and I'll even put up with passengers taking airplanes (until electric airplanes are ready) but having a zillion airplanes hopping around just to deliver packages is highly polluting. Frankly, automated trains with automated train yards are the ideal solution but this... this is just wasteful.

  • Silicon Valley nerd with more money than sense reinvents the auto-pilot with auto-takeoff and auto-land, like most FedEx jets have had for years now, and then wonders why 50 year old Cessna 172s don't have that technology. That's because air travel is INEFFICIENT unless done at airliner scale or someone invents a low-power anti-gravity drive (or lightweight batteries with 10X their current energy density--same thing.) This plane is too big for dense urban package delivery where smaller drones make sense, an

  • by magarity ( 164372 ) on Saturday March 13, 2021 @12:17AM (#61153184)

    he says. "You have all this navigation that you need to manage and all the communications you have to do

    Aviation has been a thing for over a century now and it's not that hard if one learns how to do it and pays attention.

    • he says. "You have all this navigation that you need to manage and all the communications you have to do

      Aviation has been a thing for over a century now and it's not that hard if one learns how to do it and pays attention.

      I was thinking the same thing. It's the "Ohhh, everything is sooo hard - how can people do this?" mindset.

      It's the thought process that gets people thinking that "Ancient Aliens is a documentary, because - well, "humans just can't do this stuff!, its too haaard."

    • he says. "You have all this navigation that you need to manage and all the communications you have to do

      Aviation has been a thing for over a century now and it's not that hard if one learns how to do it and pays attention.

      His point is that the amount of human-managed complexity is unnecessarily high.

      Whether that is an accurate point, I do not know. But it's not unreasonable on the face of it.

  • I was told that it was going to be full of flying cars.

  • ...services.

    Yes, I can see it now, the next steam game.

  • Aviation is one of the main sources of CO2 emissions and because of the emissions on high altitude even more damaging for our climate. We have to fly less not more, does not matter if it is done by robots or humans.
  • And yet people are working sorry wasting record amounts at work doing nothing half the time.

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