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Facebook To End Special Treatment for Politicians (theverge.com) 73

Facebook plans to end its controversial policy that shields politicians from the content moderation rules that apply to other users, a sharp reversal that could have global ramifications for how elected officials use the social network. From a report: The change, which Facebook is set to announce as soon as Friday, comes after the Oversight Board -- an independent group funded by Facebook to review its thorniest content rulings -- affirmed its decision to suspend former President Donald Trump but critiqued the special treatment it gives politicians, stating that the "same rules should apply to all users." The board gave Facebook till June 5th to respond to its policy recommendations.
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Facebook To End Special Treatment for Politicians

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  • by ebonum ( 830686 ) on Thursday June 03, 2021 @08:10PM (#61452348)

    Which they won't do.

    It's like being in a Kafka court. Rules should be publicly published, clear, and written in a way that most reasonable people would agree that a posting either violated or did not violate the rules. Agreeing with the rules is another matter altogether. In other words: "All white people.." and "All black people..." both get equally deleted.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      > Rules should be publicly published, clear, and written in a way that most reasonable people would agree

      Why? The purpose of these rules is to target their political adversaries. How does your strategy help Facebook achieve its goals?

    • You mean like:

      "All black people need to stay longer in the sun than white people to produce the same amount of Vitamin D"

      According to your rules, this should get deleted?

    • https://m.facebook.com/communi... [facebook.com]
      You're welcome.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Except that, you know, it's fucking Facebook and getting banned is probably the best thing that could happen to you.

      Seriously, you are exaggerating. In a Kafka court you go to jail, have your freedom taken away. On Facebook... You get tracked and monetized less. There are other social networks, and you can set up your own, and at the end of the day Facebook is a private company so is allowed to have secrets and allowed to decide who it lets into its herd of cattle to be mercilessly flogged to the lowest bid

  • by davide marney ( 231845 ) on Thursday June 03, 2021 @08:24PM (#61452376) Journal

    The only kind of bad censorship is that done by organizations against individuals. Empower the user to censor content according to their own standards, and you will foster the highest degree of social functioning and freedom of speech.

    Plus, you get your business out of politics and back to its core mission of making money.

    All agree that spam blockers are a good thing. Nobody complains about them because using them is VOLUNTARY.

    • Using an email service that comes with a bundled spam blocker you are not even aware of is pretty normal. No reason social media should be different. The can choose whether or not to use the service, so they are given a choice.

      If you want choice, Facebook is not a good place to go. They do not give you a choice about how they use your data or the various ways they track you around the internet. If you want to be an empowered user, then Facebook is a pretty poor choice.

      • by Bert64 ( 520050 )

        Email gives you a choice because it's an open interoperable standard. There are many providers to choose from or you can be your own provider.
        Facebook does not, it's a single site operated by a single entity, you have no choice.

        • I have a choice. I never created a Facebook account.

          • You also don't have to use Facebook to get news. The original intent was just to keep track of friends and family, and it still works for that purpose.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      There are two problems with this idea.

      First, people will just whine and moan that the default filters are blocking them, just like they whine and moan about the YouTube algorithm not select their video to highlight.

      Secondly, some stuff has to be removed for legal reasons. Those legal reasons are not all that clear either. A lot of stuff is subjective and ultimately only a court can decide, but not being complete bastards they may prefer to act before it gets that far, e.g. involuntary pornography. Saying "s

      • OK, sure. Remove any content that you believe harms your service (such as spam, attacks, etc.) or is a crime. Done and done. As a business, you're still out of the censorship business. Those are objective standards not based on opinions.

  • by Entrope ( 68843 ) on Thursday June 03, 2021 @08:30PM (#61452392) Homepage

    I look forward to the politicians returning the favor by making it perfectly clear that Facebook is abusing its market position to the harm of the general public, and should be more closely regulated and/or prosecuted to deter future harms to consumers.

    • making it perfectly clear that Facebook is abusing its market position to the harm of the general public, and should be more closely regulated and/or prosecuted to deter future harms to consumers.

      Not even close. Facebook is a private company that runs a service for people to share thoughts with friends and family. It's a free service and Facebook can decide what is and isn't allowed on their site. If you don't like their rules then don't use their site.

      Think of Facebook as the bulletin board at your workplace. Your employer has the right to determine what is appropriate to post on the bulletin boards in the hallways. You can't claim they are violating "free speech" just because they don't all

      • by Entrope ( 68843 )

        Your argument might make sense if the US was the only country in the world, and if Facebook didn't buy up competitors (notably Instagram and WhatsApp) and other tech companies (such as Oculus) in efforts to build vertical monopolies. However, neither of those are true, so your assumptions about the legal regime are wrong.

        • Same argument was posited when M$ was abusing its monopoly position -- and its fanboys gushed on and on about it was a free market and if you don't like it play somewheres else. Market is dominated, not free. People have a legal right, protected by Gov'mt, that if a body says "we are free and open and there are rules" then the Gov'mt (on behalf of people) can go after them for FRAUD! Facebook/YouTube/Twitter/etc ought to be treated as publishers and thereby responsible for lying. But, since conservative
      • by Entrope ( 68843 )

        As predicted, politicians are [slashdot.org] making exactly this decision.

      • by jwhyche ( 6192 )

        Not even close. Facebook is a private company that runs a service for people to share thoughts with friends and family. It's a free service and Facebook can decide what is and isn't allowed on their site. If you don't like their rules then don't use their site.

        What I think keeps confusing you is you think that facebook is beyond regulation. An some how you keep thinking that a company policy is the law of the land. Companies dont' make laws, governments make laws. An a government made law ALWAYS over rules any company policy.

        Also you keep forgetting that a company operates at the whim of the government. If the government decides that a company, say facebook, no longer needs to exist, then said government can dissolve said company.

        Back to your private

  • If a Republican wins the White House in 2024 they will revert back to the old policy. Facebook has no values, they just do whatever is most expedient.

  • Will Alex Lukashenko, Kim Jong Un and Nicolas Maduro be granted the same free rein as Joe Biden and Naftali Bennett?

    • Why more people don't immediately make this argument is a mystery to me. If you empower the organization you like, you've set a precedent. When the next organization comes along you don't like, now you've effectively empowered them to hurt you.

  • by schwit1 ( 797399 ) on Thursday June 03, 2021 @08:55PM (#61452446)

    It should, but I doubt FB has the cajonies. What the CCP is doing to the Uyghurs plus its fentanyl pipeline into the US should make them #1 on the social media hit list.

  • by Ceseuron ( 944486 ) on Thursday June 03, 2021 @09:03PM (#61452468)

    The change, which Facebook is set to announce as soon as Friday, comes after the Oversight Board -- an independent group funded by Facebook to review its thorniest content rulings

    The Oversight Board is funded by the very same entity that they're supposed to be "overseeing". They're absolutely NOT independent and they have ZERO recourse against the entity they're supposed to be "overseeing" if Facebook decides to pull funding for a decision by the Oversight Board that they don't like. This is nothing more than watching the phrase "We've investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrongdoing" in action. If this supposed "oversight" board decided not to affirm Facebook's decision to permanently suspend the prior Cheetoh In Chief, you can bet that their funding from Facebook would have vanished faster than my Internet browser history after my "date night" is concluded. As soon the board rules against Facebook in ways that Facebook doesn't like, especially on issues with a significant PR exposure, there's not going to be an oversight board anymore.

    • Except in this case, since they hyped up the oversight board, even calling it FB's supreme court, etc, and then suddenly pull the funding after a decision, it will be a huge PR nightmare I guess.

  • the next politician comes around that sells a lot of ads. It will then be studiously ignored, combined with a lot of public hand-wringing and posturing.

    I've said this many times before, and I'll keep repeating it. Facebook sells ads. It's what they do. It's why they exist. It's the ONLY reason they exist. The social networking app is nothing but a honeypot that helps sell the ads.

    Facebook will let NOTHING get in the way of selling ads. This doesn't make them evil. Companies exist to make money. Th
  • Prediction: within 1-2 years, Facebook will be pressured to ban entire political communities from their US sites. Social conservatism, old school class warriors on the left, you name it.

    And the people demanding the banning will cite the fact that Facebook is a private platform with social responsibilities, it has 1A protection, etc.

    The result is that the constituencies targeted by the woke and their enablers in the moderate, career politician wings of both parties will become even more deeply radicalized an

    • by RevDisk ( 740008 )
      I never exactly understood the folks who are cheering on corporate censorship. When you ask them if they'd be fine with power companies turning off power to environmental activists, phone companies denying calls to people who point out misappropriated fiber funding, etc they generally are not in favor of such things. But Facebook, Twitter, etc censoring politicians is okey doke.

      I often dislike the same politicians. I just don't have the same faith in said corporations that a lot of people seem to. Person
      • I never exactly understood the folks who are cheering on corporate censorship. When you ask them if they'd be fine with power companies turning off power to environmental activists, phone companies denying calls to people who point out misappropriated fiber funding, etc they generally are not in favor of such things. But Facebook, Twitter, etc censoring politicians is okey doke.

        I never exactly understood the folks who compare physical infrastructure with an internet service. Physical infrastructure is regulated because it's usually a natural monopoly, plus that a property owner doesn't want to deal with the easements from 4 different companies digging up their backyard to deliver sewer, gas or whatnot. Physical infrastructure is also not an interactive service on the internet where you can post user generated content.

        And corporate censorship? Their service, their rules. But censor

        • "Their service, their rules. But censorship? That's just the calling cry of the snowflakes having a meltdown because they aren't allowed to take a shit on private property."

          So... it's just fine if Apple won't let people use any Apple servers (and therefore make your iPhone, iPad, etc useless) if you criticize their relationship with China?

          and you'd be fine if all the internet server providers refused service to anybody who calls for net neutrality? Their wires and servers, their property, right?

          What if th

          • So... it's just fine if Apple won't let people use any Apple servers (and therefore make your iPhone, iPad, etc useless) if you criticize their relationship with China?

            If you buy Apple products, you have to deal with Apple. If you don't like what they are doing there are a multitude of other device-manufacturers out there, vote with your wallet as the saying goes. Also, what you are referring to is limited to how Apple operates in China, ie they suck totalitarian dick to have a market there and a majority of Apple users don't give a fuck about that, just like how they don't give a fuck about other shitty things Apple does.

            and you'd be fine if all the internet server providers refused service to anybody who calls for net neutrality? Their wires and servers, their property, right?

            Nice strawman there. An ISP is a network infrastru

  • If you're an elected official, you're insane if you use 'social media' to say anything whatsoever. Use your press office or publicist like you're supposed to, that's their job: to keep you from saying stupid things in public.
  • by phalse phace ( 454635 ) on Thursday June 03, 2021 @10:45PM (#61452694)

    No special treatment for politicians? Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis won't be happy.

    Florida, in a First, Will Fine Social Media Companies That Bar Candidates [slashdot.org]

    • by sinij ( 911942 )
      Do you think Social Media should have de-facto power to nominate politicians for us to vote?

      Hypothetical example, you have a primaries with 2 top runners. One is banned from social media, other is not. Who do you think is more likely to win? Also, whose voice do you think should matter more - primary voters or unelected technocrats?
  • Suckerberg was already paid his twenty silver pieces to assault democracy, so now it's damage control time. #zuckerpunch
  • No, the same rules should not apply to all users. You need to knw what your politicians want to do and think, not having intermediaries picking and choosing.

    There's a reason the Supreme Court doesn't let the government set itself up as the Arbiter of Truthiness Speech. Because it will, and instantly start censoring things that hurt those in power.

    Now this board comes to a bad conclusion, and FB doubles down on it? "We censored Trump. Maybe we shouldn't have?" "Nah. Let's censor evedybody!"

    And don't sa

  • I had my fill with Facebook's selective censoring last year. I completely dropped my susubscription. The are hiding under Section 230 law. They are selectively editing their platform content but don't fear libel law suits. Enough.

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