Norway Law Forces Influencers To Label Retouched Photos On Instagram (vice.com) 69
Legislators in Norway have passed new regulations requiring influencers and advertisers to label retouched photos in a bid to fight unrealistic beauty standards. Motherboard reports: The new regulations were passed as an amendment to the nation's Marketing Act via a landslide 72 to 15 vote on June 2. The King of Norway will later decide when it will go into effect. Under the recently-passed rules, advertisements where a body's shape, size, or skin has been retouched -- even through a filter before a photo is taken -- will need a standardized label designed by the Norwegian Ministry of Children and Family Affairs. Examples of manipulations requiring labeling include enlarged lips, narrowed waists, and exaggerated muscles, but it's not clear if the same will apply to adjustments of lighting or saturation.
The law also covers images from influencers and celebrities if they "receive any payment or other benefit" in relation to the post, including on social media platforms Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, and Twitter. Any violations are punishable with escalating fines and, in extreme cases, even imprisonment. The move comes amidst continued public debate in Norway surrounding "kroppspress" (literally "body pressure"), which very roughly translates to beauty standards. In its proposal to the Norwegian parliament, the Ministry of Children and Family cites studies that found what it calls "body pressure," or beauty standards, to be pervasive and a contributing factor to low self-esteem in young people. The ministry conceded, however, that the requirement could be difficult to enforce because it's not always easy to determine if a photo has been edited. It also noted that an unintended consequence of the law could be that influencers feel more pressure to undergo cosmetic surgery "in order to live up to beauty ideals."
The law also covers images from influencers and celebrities if they "receive any payment or other benefit" in relation to the post, including on social media platforms Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, and Twitter. Any violations are punishable with escalating fines and, in extreme cases, even imprisonment. The move comes amidst continued public debate in Norway surrounding "kroppspress" (literally "body pressure"), which very roughly translates to beauty standards. In its proposal to the Norwegian parliament, the Ministry of Children and Family cites studies that found what it calls "body pressure," or beauty standards, to be pervasive and a contributing factor to low self-esteem in young people. The ministry conceded, however, that the requirement could be difficult to enforce because it's not always easy to determine if a photo has been edited. It also noted that an unintended consequence of the law could be that influencers feel more pressure to undergo cosmetic surgery "in order to live up to beauty ideals."
Geek photo-op. (Score:2)
Examples of manipulations requiring labeling include enlarged lips, narrowed waists, and exaggerated muscles
Ah, so much fun going the other way.
Pun-ishable by Death. (Score:5, Interesting)
Any violations are punishable with escalating fines and, in extreme cases, even imprisonment.
So you're saying a Kardashian would be on death row in that country?
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Norway does not do death row. Their prisons are also "Interesting" to people who are used to more punishment based systems.
Re:Pun-ishable by Death. (Score:5, Insightful)
Their prisons are also "Interesting" to people who are used to more punishment based systems.
Norway has one of the world's lowest recidivism rates.
So their system is also "interesting" to people that want to reform America's dysfunctional prisons that cost far more and have sky-high recidivism rates.
America's prisons are crime factories.
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So you're saying the child molesting mother raping murdering Norweigians are treated kindly for their crimes, and come out the other end a welcome member of society after a few years at the penal country club? Yes, I'm genuinely curious how Norway actually handles capital punishment and proves it effective.
And please don't tell me Norway has no such humans. That's like claiming there are no gay men in the NFL. Some statistics are essentially impossible.
No doubt the Incarcerated States of America needs s
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So you're saying the child molesting mother raping murdering Norweigians are treated kindly for their crimes, and come out the other end a welcome member of society after a few years at the penal country club? Yes, I'm genuinely curious how Norway actually handles capital punishment and proves it effective.
And please don't tell me Norway has no such humans. That's like claiming there are no gay men in the NFL. Some statistics are essentially impossible.
No doubt the Incarcerated States of America needs serious reform. But I don't expect a polar opposite to have a acceptable effect on certain broken minds.
I'm trying to see the link you're making with capital punishment but it's not very obvious to me that there's nothing between a pat on the head and hanging.
I'm also interested in your underlying concept of 100% accurate juries. Do you have a brochure?
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So you're saying the child molesting mother raping murdering Norweigians are treated kindly for their crimes, and come out the other end a welcome member of society after a few years at the penal country club? Yes, I'm genuinely curious how Norway actually handles capital punishment and proves it effective.
And please don't tell me Norway has no such humans. That's like claiming there are no gay men in the NFL. Some statistics are essentially impossible.
No doubt the Incarcerated States of America needs serious reform. But I don't expect a polar opposite to have a acceptable effect on certain broken minds.
I'm trying to see the link you're making with capital punishment but it's not very obvious to me that there's nothing between a pat on the head and hanging.
Do you understand the value of creating a deterrent? I asked a valid question about dealing with capital crimes. America used to gather the firing squad or fire up Ol' Sparky. Now we have death row and lethal injection. Some countries don't "believe" in that. I'd like to know what the effectiveness of that mentality is as a deterrent.
I'm also interested in your underlying concept of 100% accurate juries. Do you have a brochure?
Don't go off the rails with this nonsense. Tell me what the punishment is for a murderer who is guilty and they plead that way.
Never mind. Found some answers. Looks li
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So you're saying the child molesting mother raping murdering Norweigians are treated kindly for their crimes, and come out the other end a welcome member of society after a few years at the penal country club? Yes, I'm genuinely curious how Norway actually handles capital punishment and proves it effective.
And please don't tell me Norway has no such humans. That's like claiming there are no gay men in the NFL. Some statistics are essentially impossible.
No doubt the Incarcerated States of America needs serious reform. But I don't expect a polar opposite to have a acceptable effect on certain broken minds.
I'm trying to see the link you're making with capital punishment but it's not very obvious to me that there's nothing between a pat on the head and hanging.
Do you understand the value of creating a deterrent?
I do. I also know that the death penalty has never managed to lower crime. In fact, there's a large body of work that suggests it increases the murder rate for a combination of reasons, including the desire to remove witnesses.
Criminals generally do not think they will be caught. That single fact is what makes sentence-based deterrents much less effective than people assume they will be. Detection rates are far more effective.
I asked a valid question about dealing with capital crimes. America used to gather the firing squad or fire up Ol' Sparky. Now we have death row and lethal injection.
And Death Row is not empty. Nor will it ever be.
I'm also interested in your underlying concept of 100% accurate juries. Do you have a brochure?
Don't go off the rails with this nonsense. Tell me what the punishment is for a murderer who is guilty and they plead that way.
Pleading guilty is not a 100% guar
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I asked a valid question about dealing with capital crimes. America used to gather the firing squad or fire up Ol' Sparky. Now we have death row and lethal injection.
And Death Row is not empty. Nor will it ever be.
Death Row is a fairly new concept in history, created by legal greed. Before that, you were punished rather immediately. And forget attacking humans. Stealing a horse was a crime punished by death for a very long time, which is why many enjoyed "parking" and securing their horses with little more than a piece of rope. Even today horse theft is considered a felony, compared to automobile theft.
Put simply, our deterrents aren't deterrents anymore. Homeless purposely break the law just to get "three hots
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Your argument is as old as time and has never played out in the real world in the way its proponents expected. Victorian England was nothing like a crime-free utopia despite draconian punishments, including hanging and transportation, for relatively minor crimes.
Homeless purposely break the law just to get "three hots and a cot". Regardless, a civilized society depends on law and order, which includes effective punishment for law-breakers.
Perhaps a society that aspires to being "civilised" should ask why there are so many homeless in need of three hots and a cot. Maybe running everything for the benefit of the banks isn't a great system.
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So you're saying the child molesting mother raping murdering Norweigians are treated kindly for their crimes, and come out the other end a welcome member of society after a few years at the penal country club?
And please don't tell me Norway has no such humans. That's like claiming there are no gay men in the NFL. Some statistics are essentially impossible.
He's saying nothing of the sort, in fact he doesn't mention it at all, and of course we have. We also have high-security prisons. I appreciate your true statement about reform ("The Incarcerated States of America" makes me chuckle), but I'll mention a couple of examples:
For instance we have one of the worst mass murderers in history, Anders Behring Breivik, effectively in isolation (mostly for his own safety from other inmates). He's sentenced to something which translates to something like "Containment". I
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In a gruesome year 2000 rape and murder of two young girls (The "Baneheia murders") one of the sentenced perpetrators was released on parole in 2016, and has been living with a secret identity under close scrutiny until fully released in 2019. He's served his sentence and has been evaluated by experts who deemed him no longer dangerous. Doing anything other than releasing him would not be justice. In prison he received training as a baker, and presumably he's being a more or less productive member of society, although the public knows nothing about his whereabouts or details of his life. He certainly wouldn't be welcomed by a lot of people if they knew of his crimes (I myself would intuitively trust him a lot less with my kids than I would most others), but he's served his sentence and has a right to carry on with his life.
So a rapist and murderer, now has a "right" to a free life? You assume I'm championing an "eye for an eye" here. I'm not necessarily, but this decision sits so well with that society that he is kept in permanent secrecy? Why is that if this is what you call "justice"? Maybe because the overwhelming majority of that society doesn't agree with that. Life imprisonment would likely be a far more welcome sentence for that crime. I'm sorry, but one doesn't really "deserve" any less than that when they purp
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America's prisons are crime factories.
You oversimplify. Yes, the prisons do little to prepare people to re-enter society. However, there are two other problems.
First, people with a criminal record are nearly unemployable. This is especially true, if someone was convicted of a felony. If a background check comes back with any sort of police record, a company will move on to the next candidate.
Second, the US has a large underclass of people with little education and few employable skills. This is cemented by an inner-city culture that glorifi
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No, they don't have institutionalized murder.
From what I've heard, Norway send Breyvik to an island "prison" where he could roam the island freely, and got therapy and such.
Every criminal was once an innocent child. If we can get to the moon, develop a vaccine in 9 months, handle nuclear energy, and build electronics that approach the limits of physics, every criminal can damn well be helped to become an innocent person once again, no? Otherwise, we, as a society ... failed.
Re:Pun-ishable by Death. (Score:5, Informative)
From what I've heard, Norway send Breyvik to an island "prison" where he could roam the island freely
Norway has an island prison where inmates can roam, but Breivik is not held there.
He is serving under much harsher conditions [wikipedia.org].
One of his formal complaints is that his cell has a PlayStation-2 and the warden refuses to upgrade it to a PlayStation-3.
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I find it interesting to see just how relative we are. From putting one hand in cold and one hand in hot to "income inequality" (in spite of a large portion of the western world's population living better than those 500 years ago). The perception of being treated equally matters, even if the treatment is really rather nice. This is also true of in pay, we get more upset about our coworker making 10k more a year than the CEO making 300x more a year than us. Thus, those who note Americans might choose prison
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No, they don't have institutionalized murder.
From what I've heard, Norway send Breyvik to an island "prison" where he could roam the island freely, and got therapy and such.
Every criminal was once an innocent child. If we can get to the moon, develop a vaccine in 9 months, handle nuclear energy, and build electronics that approach the limits of physics, every criminal can damn well be helped to become an innocent person once again, no? Otherwise, we, as a society ... failed.
Ever seen Little Johnny who can't stop torturing his animals? No, not every child is innocent. Some minds, are broken at a very young age.
And some minds, stay broken. "Society" isn't the medicine or answer for a paranoid schizophrenic murdering psychopath, so enough with that bullshit delusion.
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Found the video I was looking for.
A retired prison director from the US visits a high security prison in Norway and is really shocked:
https://youtu.be/HfEsz812Q1I?t... [youtu.be]
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Well look at it from this perspective - say the guys at the capitol riot for example - why would they avoid doing it again if their only punishment was 5 years at Club Med? Most of them are poor, the living accommodations they'd get at that Norwegian prison is probably better than what they get at home. Or suppose somebody raped and then murdered your mother, how would it make you feel if the way they had to answer for it was to spend their time there?
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Well look at it from this perspective - say the guys at the capitol riot for example - why would they avoid doing it again if their only punishment was 5 years at Club Med? Most of them are poor, the living accommodations they'd get at that Norwegian prison is probably better than what they get at home.
They weren’t poor. It appears many of them were middle-to-upper class, but had similar financial problems to the Big Guy who egged them on.
https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
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Well look at it from this perspective - say the guys at the capitol riot for example - why would they avoid doing it again if their only punishment was 5 years at Club Med? Most of them are poor, the living accommodations they'd get at that Norwegian prison is probably better than what they get at home.
They weren’t poor. It appears many of them were middle-to-upper class, but had similar financial problems to the Big Guy who egged them on.
https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
Then that's essentially Club Fed.
Perhaps compare apples to apples. Where are the mother-raping child molesters kept in Norway, and how are they treated? Kindly?
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Perhaps we could re-examine our societal priorities so that the least of us are still better off than those serving time in a Norwegian prison?
Redefine Beauty IDIOTS (Score:1, Troll)
Sort of treating the symptoms aren't you, the problem being, how standards of beauty were created and what their real value is.
The majority do not realise this but standards of beauty were defined to you by artists and the comics they draw for profit. For them they draw the good guy the most and the bad guy the least, so they for reasons of profit, used the least number of lines for good guys and the most number of lines for the bad guys, so they are different and you dont draw them as much. More lines adds
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PS the law required is the demand that comics presented to children draw the good guys and the bad guys THE SAME. There must not be a difference because they are creating the idea in children, that peoples whose faces have more character are the bad guys and as such ugly. So all children teaching materials should draw the good guys and gals, the same as the bad guy and gals and pressure is required to ensure for profit comics do the same. Otherwise they can be charged as being prejudiced against people with
Re:Redefine Beauty IDIOTS (Score:4, Insightful)
I refer you to Ancient Greek courts, where one of the surviving stories is of a woman accused of murder of her husband. Where she simply walked in front of judges, dropped her clothing and asked the judges if Gods would make someone as beautiful as her be evil enough to be a murder.
Beliefs you're talking about are a human norm, and largely societally agnostic. We value exceptionally beautiful individuals over exceptionally ugly ones because for median human being, their children have better chances of survival with more exceptional and less subpar people among them.
It's a fairly low resolution heuristic for long term survival each individual line, but it's so universal, you can track this one into animal kingdom. It's present even there.
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I know that as a resident Chinese troll on patrol, you have to attack those you have found to post true stories about your masters in the past. But people in China find all the same things beautiful that people tens of thousands of kilometres away in Eastern Europe. Women paint their lips red even in rural areas, and men show off wealth on dates to women.
Re:Redefine Beauty IDIOTS (Score:5, Interesting)
Standards of beauty are determined by basic biological drivers. In women, signs of fertility, lack of health problems, signs of ability to adapt and overcome problems are considered beautiful. In men, signs of wealth and social status, lack of health problems, signs of ability to adapt and overcome problems are considered beautiful. Many of the aforementioned things can be fused into the general concept of "status", determined by specific weightings of aforementioned factors.
For example, in women, fertility means markers of youth like skin brilliance, specific body shape. Adaptation ability means adding disadvantages like long nails and high heels and demonstrating that you're still fully functional even with them.
In men, wealth and status markers mean expensive clothing and accessories, as well as recognition by other men. Disadvantages to demonstrate adaptation abilities include things like extremely uncomfortable suits and shoes that go with them, as well as vehicles that get very poor mileage, and require expensive maintenance regularly and demonstrating that you're still fully functional even with them.
Pretty much everything you mention is simply a derivation of these basic biological drives that have remained unchanged throughout human history for millenia. The only thing that changes is technological and cultural level, which changes things like "markers of health" and "markers of status". A good example here is obesity used to be a marker of status in times of long term starvation diet of the kind that humanity had during hunter-gatherer stage of development, often overcoming markers of health as the primary determinant of beauty.
And as with every system of determining specific value, there's a significant motivation to cheat. Women since time immemorial have added fake red colour to their lips and cheeks to fake sexual arousal to enhance natural fertility markers, and men have always tried to get fake markers of wealth and demonstrative recognition of other men to be on their person in the initial encounter with the woman to inflate appearance of their ability to provide for woman and their potential children.
"Bad people" being ugly is also a human universal that also goes back as far as the drawings we found in caves.
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If it was biological it would be universal between cultures. It's not.
Even what is considered sexual varies. In China women's legs aren't really seen as sexual but cleavage is a much bigger deal than in the West. Small bums are seen as the ideal where as many other cultures consider shapely posteriors to be desirable.
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They are universal however. Take your example of China, women paint their lips red. Men drive sports cars and take them to expensive restaurants. Your only complaint is that "there is a different weight in fetishising certain body parts", while trying to desperately continue with ideological lie of the Western Far Left of "all people are biologically the same and interchangeable". While in reality sexes and races are different, and value things based on what they have. For example, China still hasn't fully
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The red lipstick thing is interesting because it's quite recent. It's just a trend, it will be over eventually.
Kinda like the codpiece.
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Quite recent as in "ever since red dye was invented". Going back millenia.
Certainly recent as far as human evolution. Ancient as far as technology goes, as red was among the earliest dyes to be invented.
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But the popularity of red lipstick comes and goes. And some countries prefer other colours, like goths who like black or very dark red compared to bright red in China.
Red lips have nothing to do with fertility though, that would be more to do with hips and youth. Lipstick is more to do with kissing, which interestingly is something many Chinese people do not do and almost never seen on Chinese TV.
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It's funny how you:
1. Are arguing about literal shared of red not being red to get around the basic biology and the fact that women had red lips even in cave drawings. Because red dye is something we could get from many berries. Remember why we can see the colour red in the first place? That's right, it helps us differentiate between ripe berries and those that haven't ripened yet. This is a universal, and yes, this exists in China. No idea why you decided to grasp onto that straw and somehow pretend that l
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If it was biological it would be universal between cultures. It's not.
Even what is considered sexual varies. In China women's legs aren't really seen as sexual but cleavage is a much bigger deal than in the West. Small bums are seen as the ideal where as many other cultures consider shapely posteriors to be desirable.
Its not even consistent in a single western culture... Not everyone wants a white, blonde with blue eyes (nothing against you if you do, welcome to a free society where that is perfectly OK). Some people like brunettes, or dark skin... but on average it's not even consistent over time. Today we consider thin to be desirable, go back 90 years to prewar times and it was actually larger women who were desirable, even more so in the Victorian era where it would partially hide pox scars.
Even today in some cul
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Notice how you couldn't mention markers of health other than one I already addressed in my initial post, and instead focused on markers of differentiation.
And differentiation is the main secondary selection criterion, because we are driven to get a partner who's sufficiently genetically different from us to ensure that they do not get problems of inbreeding. Another reminder that overwhelming majority of our evolved systems are still adapted to era of a small hunter-gatherer tribe, where inbreeding would be
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Beauty is very simple. (Score:1)
Beauty can be defined very simply: Being a good candidate for making and raising healthy and successful kids.
But usually, a bunch of cultural nonsense du jour is added. And usually, people aren't exactly perfect judges of that either. But that's OK.
And interestingly, perfect beauty is boring again. So we are more attracted to people with little interesting quirks on top of that beauty, ensuring genetic diversity (compare: spread spectrum) that keeps us more healthy than a monoculture.
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And interestingly, perfect beauty is boring again. So we are more attracted to people with little interesting quirks on top of that beauty, ensuring genetic diversity (compare: spread spectrum) that keeps us more healthy than a monoculture.
I think you're romanticizing things, or perhaps projecting. We love people with flaws, and perhaps eventually find those flaws endearing, even attractive. But many studies have shown that people with "average" features within their sex and age groups are found to be more physically attractive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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That flaw of yours, that vent - I love it, dear;
it’s part of you
and ranks with me among your finest features.
When I find out that others have it too,
I look for it and almost see you near
and love all similarly wanting creatures.
If I, for want of you, that want should miss - were we to part –
where would I better find my consolation.
than in that flaw I love wi
We have the same laws in the United States (Score:2)
So (Score:5, Insightful)
It'll be like CA's law that requires manufacturers to put "this product causes cancer" labels on products or risk fines: the response will be to just put the warning on everything.
It's great to know (Score:1)
It's great to know that the Norwegian government is focused on the really important stuff.
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This is less "important" and more "critical" today. Our basic recognition systems are calibrated in our youth, and if you calibrate them toward "impossible is possible", you're going to have very poor outcomes on societal level.
Just take a look at South Korea, where a typical gift to those graduating their equivalent of high school is a voucher to a plastic surgeon. At least that is still driven by something that can be achieved. A lot of standards sold on modern social media are objectively impossible to a
More Effective Suggestion (Score:2)
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Just out of interest, do you consider children to be fully actualized adults in child bodies? Or do you recognise that you complaint about "only idiots don't know..." ignores existence of the large amount of humans in the world who are too young and inexperienced with the world to know better AND are looking out into the world to learn how not to be?
And see modern social media, an infinitely accessible window into lives of other people that helps them calibrate their "what is a societal norm for this"-conce
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It's interesting that you're talking about maladaptation as if it's a good thing. I assure you that in most places, if a car alarm goes off, people notice. It's only the places for which humans are the least adapted, the extremely large cities where thing you mention happens to any meaningful degree.
So we we get that sort of maladaptation for kids universally, we're utterly fucked as a civilization. It's one thing when a very limited set of people are so overloaded with sounds when they are on streets of la
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Nobody cares how much your like yourself. Many pretend to to cash in (see the SJWs you mention) but no one actually cares. What others do care about is how you rank among your peers. For women, that's primarily beauty, for men it's primarily status.
And that means it's possible to sell things that enhance your markers of those things. Everything from make-up and clothing that conceals defects to plastic surgery to women and everything from expensive restaurants and sports cars to paying other men to show def
Retouch (Score:2)
This should be interesting to see how "retouched" is defined or not defined. Probably just about every photo used by anything even remotely professional is manipulated in some way. Cropped, brightened, blemish removal, compositing, fuzzing, sharpening, rotation, skew correction, contrast, flare removal, shadow removal, etc.
Re: Retouch (Score:1)
To be honest, even the act of taking a photograph is presenting things through a filter.
"Look to the left, so I get your best side.
"Let's zoom in a bit so that your mole doesn't get into the picture."
"Step to the left so we don't have the bookcase in shot."
I'm not against this law - quite the contrary - but I'd be interested to see how it defines the line between acceptable and unacceptable "artistic interpretation".
Or if it doesn't define it, how the law will be enforceable.
Does this also apply to nature shots? (Score:2)
Not the king - constitutional monarchy (Score:2)
Norwegian here, this was news to me, but one thing to comment is the king (we do not capitalize in everyday writing, as we like to keep our monarchy somewhat folksy) does not "decide" anything. The government does, and once a week or so they present their decision to the king, who formally approves it. But as part of our constitutional monarchy system, due to custom (s)he has to approve it. The moment the king decides to go solo, is probably the moment that Norway abandons monarchy.
You could say that this d
Text? (Score:2)
The label should say "this person is a liar and is lying to you because they think you're a fucking moron".
That would be all instagram photos, then (Score:2)
Are there any influencers who don't cheat?
Re-touching photos is one approach, but of course there are plenty of others. Photoshop may be easier and faster, but soft focus, good make-up, careful lighting and selected clothing (corsets, anyone?) can achieve much the same effects.
Maybe I'm odd, but - honestly - the (stereo-)typical influencer looks gross and deformed. Simple and natural is much more pleasing...
Who cares? (Score:2)
Who cares? Idiots will be idiots.
How will they enforce this? (Score:2)
Rather... how many influencers are even based out of Norway in the first place? Of the ones who aren't, how many choose Norway to go and pull their: "I'm an iNflUenCeR. So you have to GIVE ME FREE STUFF" crap? It's not exactly filled with the tropical resorts and they like to parasitize and selfie. Hell... I'd give even odds that Aunt Becky's defective and vapid reprobate who had to cheat her way into college with mommy's money couldn't even find Norway on a map; much less know about, or keep up with, its
We already have this #nofilter (Score:2)
Feeling cute, may delete later.