Microsoft Will Release Windows 11 on October 5 (theverge.com) 83
Microsoft is announcing that Windows 11 will be released on October 5. The new operating system will be available as a free upgrade for eligible Windows 10 PCs, or on new hardware that ships with Windows 11 pre-loaded. From a report: The free upgrade to Windows 11 will start rolling out on October 5th, but like many Windows upgrades in the past, it will be available in phases. New eligible devices will be offered the upgrade first, and then Windows 11 will become available for more in-market devices in the weeks and months following October 5th. "Following the tremendous learnings from Windows 10, we want to make sure we're providing you with the best possible experience," explains Aaron Woodman, general manager of Windows marketing at Microsoft. "We expect all eligible devices to be offered the free upgrade to Windows 11 by mid-2022."
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They probably needed more screen real estate for the banner ads.
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So your workflow depends on the random improperly written windows form app, to not fit on your screen properly?
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Serious question. Is this why I've never been able to use the taskbar at the top of the screen since the 90's because program windows seem to slowly creep up the screen until the top of the window is under the taskbar?
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These quirks aren't surprising, especially seeing that these UX experts are the ones to throw Microsoft Bob and Office Clippy at us...lol.
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Which means it will be better than Windows 10 ... (Score:1)
... by 2023? 2024? never?
Re:Which means it will be better than Windows 10 . (Score:5, Informative)
End of life for Windows 10 is currently set at October 2025. Giving you 4 more years until they stop updating it. Sounds like plenty of time to transition.
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Indeed. Plenty of time to transition from Windows.
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A delightful concept for home, and within the realm of possibility for many folk, now that Steam is native, but work-related system still present issues which I fear will never be solved (I speak from my own experiences only, in the scientific world)
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Agreed. I've been a sysadmin going back to the mid-1990's. For my work environments I haven't found effective solutions for administering Linux-based workstations compared to Windows-based workstations. Figure with Windows you have a whole host of out-of-the-box and third party support tools that automate so many time-consuming tasks.
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Agreed. I've been a sysadmin going back to the mid-1990's. For my work environments I haven't found effective solutions for administering Linux-based workstations compared to Windows-based workstations. Figure with Windows you have a whole host of out-of-the-box and third party support tools that automate so many time-consuming tasks.
Sounds like taking inability and making it a positive thing.
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In his defense, most of the Linux tools are a pain in the ass compared to their Windows counterparts.
In your defense, some of the Linux tools are more powerful than their Windows counterparts.
Plus, breaking out of the Microsoft-only mold opens up very powerful tools like Puppet and Chef... although they might be a bit "too much" for small-to-medium organizations.
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In his defense, most of the Linux tools are a pain in the ass compared to their Windows counterparts.
In your defense, some of the Linux tools are more powerful than their Windows counterparts.
Plus, breaking out of the Microsoft-only mold opens up very powerful tools like Puppet and Chef... although they might be a bit "too much" for small-to-medium organizations.
I won't disagree with either of your points. But damn - Imagine someone looking for a job and telling you that they can't deal with Linux. Better be a hardcore Microsoft uber alles place they're interviewing with!
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or Wndows 8..
or 10....
I personally run Linux, but to act like "OMG M$ is so bad people will migrate in waves" is laughable.
Extra funny because a lot of the complaints are about UI changes... and alternative Operating Systems will have different UI too!
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Uh huh, just like everyone was going to do instead of upgrading to Windows 7... or Wndows 8.. or 10.... I personally run Linux, but to act like "OMG M$ is so bad people will migrate in waves" is laughable. Extra funny because a lot of the complaints are about UI changes... and alternative Operating Systems will have different UI too!
I find that popularity leads to shitty results. Windows is the most popular Operating system like VHS is the very best video format. And the Toyota Corolla is the best car in the world.
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Maybe, I wasn't even commenting on Windows' quality, just the whole "people en masse will just use a different OS rather than upgrade Windows" that has been said, and been wrong, about every upcoming version of Windows.
The only time I care about using the most popular OS is when I'm forced to use it. 8^) The whole idea of the year of Linux on the Desktop has always been kinda weird a a meme anyhow, don't you think?
Although, I wonder what the reaction to "Windows as a service" will be if they implement that overall".
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This! So much.. The most popular of anything is always fairly shitty. The most popular beer - decent among peers; shit compared to top tier. The most popular wine - cheap shit. The most popular car - boring A to B shit. The most popular OS - windows.. basically shit written by shitty people who have shitty bosses with a shitty moral compass. Popularity is defined by the participant that takes part - but does little to no research nor cares much about the result.
Meanwhile.. the best of anything is typically
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I personally run Linux, but to act like "OMG M$ is so bad people will migrate in waves" is laughable. Extra funny because a lot of the complaints are about UI changes... and alternative Operating Systems will have different UI too!
Yes, and? It is less jarring going from 10 to Tumbleweed, than 10 to 11. Also, I have 3 style options, can put the menu button practically anywhere on my screen, edit shortcut with a convenient tool, doesn't look like something they would stuff ads in, doesn't contain any file shortcuts, and has the list of shortcuts right in front instead of hitting the start button, and then hitting all apps.
I also have over 16 million colors I can choose from for Windows decoration.
I think the only thing I run into is
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Four years for Sync.com and Backblaze to release Linux desktop clients, four years for Affinity to port their awesome Designer and Photo to Linux.
The list of things keeping me on Windows is getting short.
I actually tried going full-time Linux (thanks to Mint being a great distro) a few months ago, but there was still too much friction for "everyday" use, at least when I wasn't coding.
Almost everything else I use daily is portable.
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Maybe Steam will have all their games ported to Linux by then? ... But I won't hold my breath.
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Since Windows 11 is not Windows (Remember, Windows 10 is the last Windows, ever), this will continue the downward spiral, as they have not even a name to defend now.
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Unless they remove the TPM requirement, never.
Are you threatening me? (Score:2)
yawn (Score:1)
Slashdot (Score:5, Insightful)
Windows x+1 is released.
Slashdot Users: Why Windows x met all my needs, and it fixed all those problems with Windows x-1 which was udder crap.
x+1 x-1
It is like a we are just a bunch of old fogies who just don't want to see change.
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Changes that improve the state of things? Sure, that's fine. Changes for their own sake or so that a product looks different enough that they can call it something new and sell it again? Not so much. Those sorts of changes cost us time/money and increase our cognitive load without providing a corresponding benefit.
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I expect Windows 11 is pushing a lot of background architectural improvements, as prevalent to with the high end CPU specs, that Windows hasn't been asking for in a while.
While our Computers and CPU have gotten faster on paper, we often don't experience it too much in Windows, because the OS Architecture isn't balanced with modern PC Architecture. Fast Solid state disks, Multi-Core CPU's, Lots of High Speed RAM. While Windows 10, is generally balanced for the mid 2000's PC. Good amount of RAM, slow spi
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In the end I think it's more marketing needs than anything else.
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Microsoft's advertised business model: We innovate so much that it's worth upgrading every few years!
Microsoft's real business model: We build buggy unsecured by default software, re-arrange a bunch of icons and menus and call it new, abuse our monopoly, and can basically force you to upgrade by acting like the OS is 100% of security.
It makes tons of money.. invest in MSFT.
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Changes for their own sake or so that a product looks different enough that they can call it something new and sell it again? Not so much.
Just as well there's plenty of things changing under the hood then. But let me guess, you literally judge an OS by its desktop screenshot...
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Just as well there's plenty of things changing under the hood then.
Are there? The only one I've heard people talking about is better support for recent hardware, but that's a feature for a point release, not a new OS. With CPU performance plateauing, ancient SSDs being more than sufficient for 99% of people's needs, and GPUs advancing just fine on their own, better hardware support is not sufficient cause for a new OS, especially when they had promised that Windows 10 would be the last one. And it seems like they're aware of that as well, because the buzz has been focused
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The Perils of Confounding Factors: How Fitts’ Law Experiments can Lead to False Conclusions [archives-ouvertes.fr]
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That was a legitimately fun skim, but I’m afraid I don’t see the relevance to what I was getting at. Their research seems to be pointing out flaws in the experimental techniques used by researchers when trying to empirically compare systems using Fitts” Law, but none of those flaws would apply to a casual observation that one special case is obviously worse than another. If we were trying to measure the degree to which it was worse we’d want to design our experiments to consider thei
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Are there?
B) Of course I do, and you should too.
Addressing both of these at once. You're literally complaining about no functionality being added, while not actually sure if functionality has changed and then advocating for judging an OS not based on underlying functionality. Your stance makes no sense.
If you want to know what changes between windows releases beyond a pretty picture, then stop reading The Verge or whatever shit Slashdot links. Windows Central gives far more in-depth reviews, and if you're truly interested in the many changes that go on u
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You're literally complaining about no functionality being added
You're reading a lot of specificity into my comments that I didn't put there. My original comment was a set of generalities about why we may not care for version x+1, regardless of what x is. Nothing was specific to Windows 11 until you brought it up, to which I responded by describing the admittedly unfavorable impression I currently have, but an unfavorable impression is far from being a complaint. Some of it may be the basis for one later, but I'm not in the habit of making up my mind about unreleased so
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> and increase our cognitive load without providing a corresponding benefit.
and that my friends is why I still post on slashdot.
What a damn great way of putting it!
I would hazard a wild guess that over 85% of the interface changes in the last 10 years on the web and in applications has been superficial crap, to keep UI / UX / Graphics people employed.
I'm so so exhausted from change for the sake of change. Improve it, don't change it to match a 'style'
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There is also the old odd = good, even = bad version thing. It only works if you kind of fudge it.
95 - crap
98 - not crap?!?
ME - crap
XP - not crap???
Visa - crap?
7 - Good
8 - crap
10 - "Good"
So in theory 11 will be crap, but then again I didn't like 10 much and use 8.1 at home so who knows.
At any rate it will be a few revisions and patches before it's worth installing.
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Several you forgot,
NT 4.0, crap, then great after patches
2k = great
And then get get down to the ugly old stuff like 3.0, 3.1, 3.11, etc.
But you are right, it doesn't always work right.
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General rock is still as average as ever. Better than most of the popular stuff from the 80s at least.
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{{company}} does {{thing}}
Slashdot Users: UGH! {{company}} is so stupid and bad and evil! They should do X!
{{company}} does {{X}}
Slashdot Users: UGH! {{company}} is so stupid and bad and evil! They should have never done X!
It is like a we are just a bunch of old fogies who just don't want to see change.
Yes, literally everything everyone does is bad and wrong, that's all the comments for any article.
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I really wonder in which way for you win 2000 was worse than win NT?
Getting win9x compatibility was a HUGE progress.
Dumb change is dumb (Score:3)
Change in and of itself is neither good nor bad. It's the impact of that change, positive or negative, that cause folk to speak of "good/bad" change.
Others in this thread, and in the past, have spoke about change designed to "sell"... "look, this is new and improved!" Well, marketing aside, new, yes, but improved? More often than not, more'n just a few people disagree that the change is an improvement. You're never going to be able to please 100% of your audience or customer base, but if you can keep most o
re: I want to see change, but ... (Score:3)
The reviews I've seen of Win 11 on YouTube so far (Linus Tech Tips and so on) show me a mixed bag that tries to sell people on a modernized/refreshed look to the GUI while removing a lot of functionality you had in Win 10.
One of the big offenders is the way they made it really difficult to change your default browser. Yes, it can be chosen pretty easily right at the time you install one. But other than that ONE chance you get with the dialog box asking if you'd like to make it the new default? You're stuc
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disable secure boot (Score:5, Insightful)
I will make sure my secure boot is disabled so I don't catch the Windows 11 cooties.
Re: disable secure boot (Score:2)
I was thinking the same thing. At least they made it easier to block the upgrade than they did with 10.
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I suspect that won't be enough. Windows knows if a system is secure boot capable or not. If you are booting in UEFI mode from a GPT table, I suspect you will get offered the update.
But we'll see.
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I'm sure they'll backport as much of the cooties as they can to Windows10 before it hits EOL.
Reminds me of tv/movie villains (Score:2)
"If our demands are not met, we will unleash our weapon on this date".
That is what this sounds like with Microsoft essentially bricking millions of machines if people don't shell out money for a new system. Yes, the people can continue to use the 10 version, but I'm sure at some point Microsoft will unilaterally kick them to the curb and disable their use.
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I hopped off the treadmill a long time ago and only use Windows at work and then as little as possible.
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Er, Windows 11 is free. "Some point" is 2025 or so - probably longer as every previous release has seen them extend support windows near end of life.
Based on the amount of people here who proudly claim they're still running Windows 7, there's a lot of silly "I'm sure" and "knowing Microsoft" comments here based on .. things that don't really seem to have happened (unless eventually stopping development on previous product versions counts as "kicking to the curb")
You people are pathological, it's hilarious.
Safe to assume the codebase is more or less (Score:2)
unchanged from the leaked Dev version(?)
Assuming this is accurate, from a standpoint of a non-gamer (in other words, putting gaming improvements aside) have there been any announcements as to why a person would want to upgrade?
What compelling features does Win11 offer a non-gamer that Win10 LTSC or Win8.1 Industry Embedded Professional (jokingly referred to as "Windows 9") don't have?
I fully admit I have not read anything in-depth about Win11, hence the above questions.
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It is supposed to have WSLg support which gives GUI support inside WSL2. Hardware accelerated along with audio and video input and output. We are also supposed to be getting GPGPU support to be able to run things like tensorflow GPU accelerated inside WSL2. It should work on any GPU that has dx12 compute support.
It apparently also has much more accurate and faster search than windows 10.
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I really don't know. Two big features I've learned of so far:
- Better kernel support for Intel 12th gen CPUs (big and small cores. Benefit from a better OS scheduler).
- DirectStorage: For better performance when loading data from PCIEx SSDs. Windows 10 will reportedly get a version but won't be as performant due to kernel limitations.
They also say it will run Android apps (personally don't care)
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It isn't really all that bad... (Score:1, Informative)
It isn't really bad. Doesn't seem to cause any instabilities for my system. It mostly seems like a few GUI design changes.
In some ways it appears to be sort trying to replicate some of the way some Linux desktop do things.
So yes, nothing really to get excited about as far as innovation. But to me it doesn't appear to be any worse than Windows 10.
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Talk about damning with faint praise...
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One change I did think was a decent improvement is the way they seem to be consolidating the Windows Command Prompt, the PowerShell prompts and even options like using a BASH kernel into a single "Terminal" app/window.
Orange Screen of Death...or spam (Score:1)
A more fitting date would be October 31, Halloween
In other news... (Score:2)
I'll prepare (Score:2)
I'll put a note on my calendar that day to keep using Linux.
Why not October 31? (Score:2)
The prospect of more built-in advertising, more attempts to force people onto Edge, and deeper forays into SaaS, is scary enough that Hallowe'en would be an appropriate release date.
Get what you pay for I guess (Score:2)
I can see it now: (Score:2)
Suckers! (Score:2)
y'all are only just now gettin' up to Windows11??? I am from the future, where we have Windows95.
Of course, in my journey in the distant future I did once encounter somebody running Windows2000 ... but let's not talk about that.
That's allright (Score:2)
I plan to take a dump, too.
But I don't feel that pressing urge to announce it...
Following the tremendous learnings from Window 10" (Score:1)
With the incredulous..."there was a Windows 10?"