Reddit Bans Anti-Vax Subreddit After Site-Wide Protest (twitter.com) 218
New submitter redmid17 writes: A week after allowing anti-vaccine subreddits to remain and a day after hundreds of large subreddits went silence in protest of the decision, Reddit banned the largest anti-vaccine subreddit , r/NoNewNormal, for brigading, which is sending forum members to other subs to push agendas. "Antivaxxers in Reddit's NoNewNormal community, named after the idea that there's a mysterious global cabal trying enact a 'new normal' of compliance and using COVID as a cover story, had been brigading communities like r/Aww, dedicated to pictures of cute dogs and kids," writes NBC News reporter Ben Collins.
Don't you see? (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Don't you see? (Score:4, Insightful)
This just proves further that it's all a conspiracy! They don't want you to know the TRUTH!
Unfortunately, Poe's Law [wikipedia.org] applies here.
The anti-vax morons will make exactly this argument.
Truth panels are not going to solve this problem.
Re:Don't you see? (Score:5, Informative)
We’ve been following the situation with r/NoNewNormal since weeks before it got quarantined, and wanted to lay out a timeline of how it went down.
In early August, we first heard about the plans by “powermods” (moderators of very large and influential subreddits) to hold “blackouts” (where they take their subreddits private, disallowing posting) in an effort to force Reddit, Inc (a $10 billion company) to change its policies.
It may seem unlikely that a small handful of volunteer moderators would be able to so easily influence the policy of a $10 billion company, but Reddit has a long history of giving in to moderators who hold subreddits hostage, such as in the 2015 Blackouts which led to Reddit CEO resigning, and blackouts earlier this year with regards to Reddit’s then-employee, Aimee Challenor.
Upon hearing about the blackout plans, Reddit quarantined the community in early August.
An important note about quarantining is that it’s always followed by at least a 30 day review period, after which moderators can appeal. Typically there’s 3-4 of these appeal periods before a subreddit gets banned. No community has ever made it out.
This wasn’t enough for the powermods, they wanted bans, and now. Alas, they knew that they had to wait, otherwise it’d be too obvious how much power they hold over Reddit, if they force the company to ban r/NoNewNormal just days after they quarantine it.
Here’s some excerpts from the chats that the powermods were having during this time.
- “like if we start getting really demanding, they might have to push back to send the message that they don’t cave to holding subreddits hostage”
- “OR it’s they only caved to powermods, this just shows how much china is controlling the admins, etc. waiting a week gives plausible deniability”
- “it’s not a game of chicken that the admins can win long term”
- “whatever threats the admins have, they know they can’t actually use them”
- “the amount of protests this [suspending powermods] will trigger site-wide will render the site unusable within hours tbh”
- “so why not try to artifically induce that “big fuss” so we can skip right to the end much faster”
- “lock it up, as was planned. if admins forcibly remove you then they have yet another fiasco on the pile”
- in response to the potential of powermods getting suspended: “why would anyone want to stay on a website that would do that anyway?”
On August 21st, the powermods voted to go forward with the blackouts just under two weeks after the quarantine began.
The blackouts started on August 25th.
The first phase began with communities such as r/aww, r/pics, r/tifu, r/technology and hundreds more started either disabling posting or making stickied posts calling on Reddit to ban r/NoNewNormal. Here’s an excerpt of the very long list of subreddits involved.
They did not private their communities yet, to hold onto leverage in case it needed to go further.
REDDIT REFUSES TO BAN R/NONEWNORMAL
A day after the blackouts began on August 26th, Reddit made a post which I was hoping for but was not at all expecting.
In an r/announcements post, Reddit CEO u/spez addressed the blackouts and said that Reddit would not give in to the demands.
We appreciate that not everyone agrees with the current approach to getting us all through the pandemic, and some are still wary of vaccinations. Dissent is a part of Reddit and the foundation of democracy. Reddit is a place for open and authentic discussion and debate. Th
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No community has ever made it out.
r/The_Donald made it out of its first quarantine.
And then /r/NoNewNormal is the subreddit which gets banned for interfering with other communities.
Because they were actually brigading. That gave Reddit the fig leaf they needed to reverse the "we're not gonna ban" post.
very few people understand the full story of what went down with /r/The_Donald.
Considering you got one of the simplest facts about that sub wrong, I'm gonna put you in the group that doesn't "understand the full story". But I'm sure you've substituted a story you like much better.
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It's not exactly science that is being censored here, so I'm not sure what your point was.
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Sorry, but science doesn't need censorship
"I Believe I am Sciencey, I have Faith in the Great Science, therefore whatever I Believe is Science! "
I hear people spew this stuff every day, left, right, center, wingnut. Everybody wants to Be Science. That's why I restrict myself to Natural Philosophy.
r/NoNewNormal (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re: r/NoNewNormal (Score:5, Interesting)
The same can be said about age checking. If a place needs to see an ID to validate age, it does not give them the right to know WHO the person is. Of course they try to come up with all kinds of excuses like record keeping, validation, inspections. But the point is, people are ALLOWING stores, bars, etc, to freaking SCAN their ID. the complex barcode on the back of an driver's license has EVERY PIECE of information in it that is written on the front! Full name, address, ID number, birth date, sex, height, weight, eye color, etc.
I even had one employee try to convince me (an IT person) that their system doesn't store the information. Yeah, right.
I have had this argument occasionally- "I have to scan it to prove I saw it" "No you don't. You can read the birthdate on the card with your eyes, compare the photo, and look at the watermark, that is enough- let me speak to your manager." So far I have always won (and if I didn't, I was prepared to take my business elsewhere and let upper management know about it).
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Take your business elsewhere
Like the "Under 16 Bar"?!?
but also write a scurrilous review and see a few rats when reporting them to the local health department.
Ah, now we see who the real asshole is in this story.
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(Of course, I'm old enough now that most stores don't even bother unless they want that sweet, sweet PII)
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>If anyone tried to grab my ID out of my grip when I show it, I don't let go until I tell them not to scan it. If they scan it anyway, one star Yelp review and they lose my business. "
Oh, I forgot to add to my story- I put a sticker over the barcodes so they cannot be scanned. So I can safely hand it to someone when needed.
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I am a manager at an age restricted store in a large college town. Must be 21+ to buy. I am not a person who is going to know if the ID is fake or not - ESPECIALLY if it's an out of state ID. Watermarks can be faked fairly easily. Hell, some states change their IDs every 3-4 years. And there is no way in hell you can train every single person who needs to check an ID how to actually spot a fake for every single state. Not reliably. And definitely not in a college town where you will definitely see a myriad
I don't think you won (Score:3)
They're probably not storing your name & driver's license #, but they probably *are* storing that you were or were not of age according to the card.
Now, the city knows, based on sales tax, roughly how many customers that bar had. And they know, based on the n
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My friend, the cops do that right now by cruising parking lots with Automated License Plate Readers. We don't even know how big the problem is, because they almost never admit use of an ALPR is how they found somebody they're targeting.
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That virus could have been squashed by mid last year if multiple world leaders, Xi Jinping, Donald Trump, Bolsonaro, Boris Johnson, etc had actually worked together in implementing the advice recieved from scientists instead of politicizing this shit so badly that politicians literally think its acceptable to ban mask and vaccine mandates FOR SOME REASON. The worlds gone nuts, and its extracting an astonishing price in human lives.
Re:r/NoNewNormal (Score:5, Informative)
That virus could have been squashed by mid last year if multiple world leaders, Xi Jinping, Donald Trump, Bolsonaro, Boris Johnson, etc had actually worked together in implementing the advice recieved from scientists instead of politicizing this shit so badly that politicians literally think its acceptable to ban mask and vaccine mandates FOR SOME REASON. The worlds gone nuts, and its extracting an astonishing price in human lives.
You really believe this don't you. You do realize that at no time has any reputable public health official, doctor or medical researcher actually said this in public. You are spreading anti-science misinformation right now. What public health officials said is that we can flatten the curve and reduce its spread so the health system doesn't get overloaded. Stopping it from spreading everywhere was never an option after it escaped China (maybe if you are an island you could but not outside of that). Nothing about this has changed in the last 20 months. If it had, there wouldn't be cases in Australia where they are using martial law to enforce lockdowns. You are misrepresenting what the science says. Don't do that. It doesn't help. You are just spreading fear for no good reason. You know how right-wingers say libs are p*ssies, this is why right here.
Re:r/NoNewNormal (Score:5, Interesting)
Australian here. Where is the martial law? I seem to have missed it.
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Pardon the condescension, but the r-value is the number of people, on average, that a single person infects. If each person who gets sick infects sixteen other people because they go to parties and get haircuts and infect everyone there, then the r-value is sixteen. And the
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Australian here.
Secondly, Australia picked a losing strategy where they thought that closing the border and blaming foreigners would keep it out forever...
Noone thought that. The borders weren't really ever "closed"; we just massively reduced number of incoming flights. Outside of a small handful of the usual suspect racist fuckwits, noone blamed foreigners, either - we were quite aware that any inbound Australian was just as likely to be a plague carrier as a foreigner.
The decreased influx of overseas users combined with our forced two week quarantine had an obviously significant effect on the exposure.
there were over 1,200 cases in Sydney alone yesterday.
Despite the general success of the qua
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it struck me as being against crisis politics being used to normalize things like online education, perma-work-from-home, and electronic ID checks everywhere that people go
So in other words, it's a tinfoil hat group spreading conspiracy theories and refusing to engage in rational discussion. That's EXACTLY why it needed to go.
normalize things like online education - Online education has become more normal over the past 20 years and will continue to do so, because of the efficiencies and the demand fo
Anti-vaxxers Are Finally Free... (Score:3, Interesting)
...to peddle their nonsense somewhere else.
I don't know why people insist on reposting debunked garbage, but I, for one, appreciate sites where I don't have to see it.
The sooner this rubbish fails completely out of the "marketplace of ideas", the better.
Re:Anti-vaxxers Are Finally Free... (Score:5, Insightful)
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But the internet seems to greatly amplify the views of kooks. For example, flat earthers as a conspiracy oriented have been around for about 150 years or so, and it was around with the mimeographed newsletters back when I was a kid, and it was definitely dying out. But the internet gave it new life and now flat earthers have enough numbers that they're having conferences, alliances with similar groups, being organized, etc.
I think part of the cause is that while everyone has access to the internet it still takes a bit of energy to get off of one's ass and start trying to get organized on the net and push one's views. And the kooks have that energy and motivation, so their amplification is larger than that of many others.
Ie, there are more anti-vaxxers trying to push their "cause" then there are privacy advocates. Especially in the modern age where privacy is seen as less important than getting your hands on the latest smartphone that will spy on you.
The irony here is that if everyone got vaccinated, we would be back to TheOldNormal much more quickly.
Re:Anti-vaxxers Are Finally Free... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Anti-vaxxers Are Finally Free... (Score:4, Informative)
What I got isn't a vaccine, doesn't prevent the disease, but the version I got, Moderna, is so far reasonably effective at what it was said to do, minimize symptoms and shorten the course.
That is the very definition of a vaccine. I don't know where you got the idea that vaccine only means "prevent", but that's incorrect. A vaccine is something that stimulates the immune system in the body to create immunity. Immunity, in health, means prevent or limit infection.
"The overall function of the immune system is to prevent or limit infection. [nih.gov]"
Some vaccines, such as MMR, do produce total prevention in the majority of subjects, but that is by no means what all of them do. Nor is it a requirement of the definition of a vaccine.
See: https://www.niaid.nih.gov/research/vaccine-types [nih.gov]
Re: Anti-vaxxers Are Finally Free... (Score:2)
The Moderna mRNA inoculation doesn't even purport to prevent. So far it seems that inoculated can shed virus.
Re: Anti-vaxxers Are Finally Free... (Score:2)
Only in the eyes of those who disagree with me.
Re: Anti-vaxxers Are Finally Free... (Score:2)
And it was presented as a prevention. Yes, a misstatement. Yes, it's all a mess.
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Shut the fuck up you fucking anti-vax apologist.
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And it is still wrong. It just is wrong to force certain healthcare decisions on people.
I agree wholeheartedly. I also believe that actions have consequences.
Here's a hypothetical decision for you to make - You have one bed left in an ICU. All are filled with people who have expressed their freedom from the Vaccine virus. Two people arrive at the same time, and no one can tell who is first. One is a heart atack victim, andn the other an Anti vaxxer.
Both are in desperate need of ICU, and whoever doesn't get in is almost certain to die. You must make an immediate decision. Who gets the bed?
Re: Anti-vaxxers Are Finally Free... (Score:2)
You present an artificial, contrived situation. Real hospitals do triage every day. They provide makeshift services. They do the best they can. What would your local hospital do if a printing plant exploded injuring 25 people, most severely burned?
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You present an artificial, contrived situation. Real hospitals do triage every day. They provide makeshift services. They do the best they can. What would your local hospital do if a printing plant exploded injuring 25 people, most severely burned?
I did write that it was a hypothetical situation. And you can't even choose.
While you write of Triage - No kidding - I simply asked you to perform triage.
Triage is almost always choosing who lives and who dies, based on likelihood to live, or scarcity of treatment or supplies. In the latter case, people sometimes die even though in other circumstances they would have lived.
Your example of 25 severely burned people will be grouped Badly burned but likely to survive will be first, a sliding scale then
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It seems to me the distinction is not by design, there is no cunning plan by the evil genius anti-vaxxers, to put in more moderate opinions. Sites like redit contain many people, some will be more moderate than others. This happens seems to happen on all issue, because most things are not binary.
This to me seem the most likely reason why this happens, not some malevolent intent.
My solution to anti-vaxxers, is not to stop them speaking, but to say ok don't get vaccinated, but your insurer, or the state depen
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The anti-vaxxers just make it harder for legitimate concerns to be heard.
I've been in that situation and nobody wants to listen. In fact many get quite hostile almost immediately. To be honest they are almost as much idiots as the anti-vaxxers.
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The "tribal political hacks" just make it harder for legitimate concerns to be heard.
I've been in that situation and nobody wants to listen. In fact many get quite hostile almost immediately. To be honest they are almost as much idiots as the "tribal political hacks".
FTFY
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burying the warren commission report for 100 years,
What is this?
Re:Anti-vaxxers Are Finally Free... (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't know why people insist on reposting debunked garbage, but I, for one, appreciate sites where I don't have to see it.
If my Facebook feed is any indication it's a perpetually unsatisfied desire to finally be right about something for once. My feed went from "no masks!" to numerous flareups across the country leading to a change towards "we hate pedophiles!" ... but then Gaetz came along so they pivoted again to "Biden is taking our hamburgers" away, then Dr. Seuss, and now it's all about how we're now living in Nazi Germany because businesses reacted to dying customers.
My hope is one day they land on something reality will support and they can finally see some relief.
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If my Facebook feed is any indication it's a perpetually unsatisfied desire to finally be right about something for once.
It is likely they think they have been right all along.
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The reason I don't think so is the move from anti-masks to aggressively-anti-pedophilia happened like a week or two after after a major holiday when all the numbers started coming in. When it reached: "Ya'all can't really argue about this anymore." All the mask talk stopped altogether. I don't mean they reversed course, just acted like they never spoke up in the first place.
I personally think this is why mask burning briefly became a thing. After-all if we can get everybody to believe masks are evil
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Hmmm that's worth paying attention to and thinking about.
It's their platform, but... (Score:3, Insightful)
...disseminating information that people take to other places to push an agenda is literally the entire raison d'etre of Reddit, Of Slashdot. Of the entire blog/discussion/post/share Internet.
Moderating harassment to keep a usable S/N ratio is something every forum of any kind has to work out for its members. But that's applying an action-based filter, not a content-based filter.
If you have a forum whose purpose is to promote discussion of embryonic stem-cell research, and people show up there to do nothing but flood the forum with pictures of fetuses, or troll/flame discussions with their spiritual beliefs, you filter that activity and ban those users because their behavior doesn't fit with your user community. Their beliefs have nothing to do with it. If someone posted a thread proposing a process by which the same research outcomes could be obtained without using embryonic tissue, that would reasonably fit within the nature of the forum.
Yes, sad that children are in charge of the world (Score:2)
disseminating information that people take to other places to push an agenda is literally the entire raison d'etre of Reddit, Of Slashdot. Of the entire blog/discussion/post/share Internet.
It used to be, but largely the children are in charge now.... those who cannot handle mature discussion, those who just want to stamp metaphorical feet and make something the dislike or disagree with at the moment, varnish in a cloud of flame...
Maybe sometime another internet will arise on the ashes of the old, but I woul
Approved Misinformation (Score:3, Insightful)
I see misinformation everywhere I look. Who decides what is approved misinformation vs what is not?
For instance, anti-evolution rhetoric is misinformation, but nobody seems to be advocating for banning it.
Re:Approved Misinformation (Score:4, Insightful)
I see misinformation everywhere I look. Who decides what is approved misinformation vs what is not?
For instance, anti-evolution rhetoric is misinformation, but nobody seems to be advocating for banning it.
People don't catch/spread an easily communicable disease and then they/others very possibly die a week later by stupidly believing anti-evolution rhetoric.
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Except wars have been fought over religion, and may people have died over that belief, probably more that would die from Covid.
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You don't remember Gay Pride before AIDS, do you? Or the "free love" of the 1960's or earlier, if you're as old as me? AIDS was insidious because it was dormant as mere HIV for as long as 10 years, but the enthusiastic promiscuity of members of those political movements has killed millions over the last 40 years. We have had people die, in agonizing fashion, from careless behavior in pursuit of their personal and political ideals and more than 500,000 people still die annually from HIV related illnesses, ma
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I was masked, un-inoculated, and did not contract this easily communicable disease for 15 months we agree it was circulating in the US. My sister contracted it in November 2019, and survived it. So actually, for me, it's been those 15 months or so. Now inoculated, not yet contracted. It's communicable, and seems easdily so, under certain relatively common circumstances, most of which have been mitigated by changes in behavior.
But so far I cannot quite agree that not wearing a mask is universally a death sen
Re: Approved Misinformation (Score:2)
My sister's PCP suspected it in January, and having gotten a positive antibody test sometime after March without any symptoms, and other indicators, he's convinced that it was in fact covid. She presented with all the correct symptoms and it was one of those cases that ordinarily could lead to being on a ventilator, but there were contour indications to that, and she survived in spite of that. She also quit smoking because of this, it's an ill wind that blows no good. Between her and her doctor, they're fai
Re: Approved Misinformation (Score:2)
Yeah, you didn't read my note, did you? Her PCP, not mine. Symptoms in November 2019, positive test when testing became available spring 2020. No symptoms in the interim. Look, her offered the diagnosis, she didn't ask for it. He's just her long-time doc, not known for bad judgement. But be skeptical, it's a good habit.
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Oh yeah, apparently he compared symptoms she had in 2019 with what was understood a few months later. And she lived in a college town. With a noticeable foreign student population.
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Who decides what is approved misinformation vs what is not?
The factor you're overlooking is: Death.
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Why yes, I am referring to the over half-a-million MORE deaths in the USA than caused by anti-evolution rhetoric. Thank you for drawing attention to that specific detail for me.
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Well, the anti-evolution brigade (now known as intelligent design because creationism got a bad rap) aren't really harming that many people, except for intellectual harm. Whereas anti-vaxxers cause actual harm, hospitalizations, deaths, etc. It'd be fine if they just said "I don't want to get vaccinated, but you can go ahead if you like it doesn't bother me that your views differ from mine." But no, their attitude is that they feel that they must stop others from also being vaccinated - making sure no te
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A week ago they posted in announcements that they are not the arbiters and open discussion is valuable, such that information can be discussed and individual conclusions made instead of one-sided discussions.
The post today in security is the sub got banned for brigading in other subs, interfering with discussions in other communities, breaking policies.
Obviously in mainstream media the nuance is lost.
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anti-evolution rhetoric is misinformation, but nobody seems to be advocating for banning it.
Generally speaking that misinformation doesn't lead to deaths pretty directly and immediately. Including in members outside of the Creationist movement.
Also in America if you say "Religious belief" it gets a free pass.
"What are you doing there?!"
"Oh me, I'm cutting off the tip of my kid's dick."
"Oh my god stop!"
"God told me to."
"Oh well, then.. carry on."
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Well, most Americans cut their kids' dicks off because a religious zealot who invented corn flakes, built spas for crazy people and wanted to set up a eugenics registry told them too.
He thought dick chopping reduced sexual desire. Thought corn flakes did too.
Re:Approved Misinformation (Score:4, Insightful)
Believing in creationism is unlikely to hurt people.
However, claiming ivermercin is a "cure" or "will protect you" from COVID is misinformation that should be removed, because people actively following it will hurt themselves and others. Heck, people injected themselves with bleach because someone suggested it's a good way to clean COVID out of your blood. or hydrochlroquine.
Misinformation, or rather, dissent that's allowable is saying the vaccines are somewhat experimental and you're not comfortable getting the shot. It's even allowed if you properly take precautions as an unvaccinated person by keep distance, wearing masks and keeping away from crowds. And no one would have any problem if you felt this way and expressed it.
However, actively claiming it's a fake, "muh freedumbs" or other thing, that generally starts crossing the line because now people can get hurt (especially if you're trying to do it in front of a hospital and blocking the entrance).
Likewise, the idiocy behing Stop the Steal is getting people hurt and wasting tax dollars doing endless searches. After all, who do you think is going to pay for the replacement voting machines after the "forensic investigation" basically rendered them as uncertifiable for election use? Would you say that was worth the freedom of speech to cost taxpayers millions replacing what were once perfectly usable machines just to chase down some alleged fraud that there was no evidence of happening?
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Bridading (Score:3)
>"Reddit banned the largest anti-vaccine subreddit , r/NoNewNormal, for brigading, which is sending forum members to other subs to push agendas."
So it is not because of the "protest", and not because of "misinformation", it is because of mass posting of irrelevant (off-topic) info in other groups. Just make sure to do that for any "brigading" (spammers), regardless of the source or direction or topic and that should probably sit fine with everyone (except the spammers).
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>"What's to stop the spammers from using other venues to organize, then spamming subreddits anyway.
Well, they really should be banning spammers, not subreddits. A subreddit existing is of no consequence. People from it invading other subreddits is. They took an easier out that probably is less appropriate.
I suppose a somewhat relevant example I could use is Spamcop. When I report a spam to them, they sent a report about the actual sender, but also about what is being referenced in the Email (the site
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All valid points.
You can still remove the accounts and all their associated postings when they are discovered. That should be enough.
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This is exactly how the Internet is supposed to function. Reddit is a community, the community decided they didn't want anti-vaxx on their site. They went to the site owners and said "get rid of this or we'll leave". So the site owners did what the community wanted rather than losing them.
And as for that communities "entitlement", well, they make Reddit what it is. Reddit has no content without them. So I think they have a right to be entitled. When did we decide that nobody has a right to feel entitled to anything?
This isn't censorship (Score:3)
Of course what you really wanted isn't free speech, it's a free audience.
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I've seen stuff on Reddit that most would consider 10x worse, but it's Covid related so therefore it's a touchy subject and gets over-reacted upon by default.. If it was 10 or 15 years ago I don't think this would happen. Either way, while it's true that private companies have the right to do whatever they want regarding their content or who gets banned, the status quo lately with a lot of these companies is kind of disturbing, and could be setting precedents that could be used later on to encroach on th
Moral Majority exists (Score:2)
Those monsters, how dare they ... wait ... is this political manipulation? Sending viewers to other "new world order" sites for unsubstantiated Qanon drivel should definitely be punished but for pictures of puppies?
There's always been a Moral Majority telling the working-class what they can't do. Eg. sex education, oral sex, pre-marital sex, prostitution, abortion, recreational drugs. Today, they continue to dictate what is 'normal'.
Stupid people used to be hamless (Score:5, Interesting)
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Exercise in futility (Score:2)
Attempting a serious conversation on reddit is an exercise in futility.
Thank god. (Score:2)
So many russian trolls trying to make people stupid... and conservatives bit.
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I can't say I'm familiar with any of this, nor do I subscribe to any of these conspiracy theories but something about a the statement about a "new normal" of compliance, and them getting banned on reddit is kind of funny, as it is sort of a compliance thing. Seems like a self fulfilling prophecy, or something .
Either way Just seems there is too much censorship nowadays, and stuff about covid is a really touchy subject. I don't know why so many internet sites are so eager to hit the ban hammer nowadays. It's kind of disturbing. I grew up on the Internet in the 90's and early 2000's. This kind of stuff would have never happened. Now it seems you can get banned for saying anything that isn't politically correct. I guess that's the new normal of compliance they speak of, and I don't know what to think of the world of today.
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I grew up on the Internet in the 90's and early 2000's. This kind of stuff would have never happened.
That's utter tosh. Even pre internet, some BBSs were very permissive, other ones the Sysop would ban you if they didn't like the look of your handle. It was always the domain of the owner: they were judge, jury and executioner and you had neither right nor expectation of a fair trial. Likewise with IRC channel owners and mods.
Then came web forums. And it was exactly the same with some forums being more heav
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>"If the vaccine has those effects due to it causing the body to temporarily make spike protein, wouldn't COVID also have similar effects, since it causes the body to ALSO make spike protein?"
Yes. And when you point that out to vax-mandaters, along with studies that prove that it is not only true but that the natural immunity is much stronger (some show TREMENDOUSLY stronger), most seem to not be able to process such information and insist they should be vaccinated anyway against their will. Or they wi
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So lets just say that down the road people who are vaccinated start dying off in large numbers due to compromised immune systems, commutative blood clotting and whatever else.
Except that isn't happening. How long are you going to wait?
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I wish all you people would never use any medicine newer than 1970.
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Soap dates back to at least 2800 BC. Face masks were mandatory for many during the Spanish flu approximately 100 years ago. Inoculation dates back to at least 1000 AD. The technological details of the current vaccine are new, but the basic principles are quite old.
The disease would not have spread easily before 1970. Cheap, fast air travel has burgeoned in the last 50 years. International flights are far more common, and they make epidemics _vastly_ more difficult to contain.
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The disease would not have spread easily before 1970. Cheap, fast air travel has burgeoned in the last 50 years.
I don't know if you can really say that. The flu spread before 1970s, though. The 1968 pandemic was notable. The 1977 pandemic is worth mentioning because it reportedly escaped a lab. The 1889 pandemic was before automobiles.
So if your point is that it would not spread as easily, then I can agree. If your point is that it would not have spread at all, I have to disagree because coronavirus is more infectious than the flu, and yet the flu managed to spread before the 1970s.
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Lol. What if letting anti-vaxers spread their nonsense has fatal long term consequences? We just don't know, I don't have a time machine, do you?
Wait, what if letting itiswhatitiwijgalt post stupid shit he read on the Internet has long term consequences??
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Dude, how many of us go around dropping objects in vacuum? Around here my Helium balloon doesn't fall as fast as my bowling ball.
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And there is something funny, in a dark and cynical way, with people who idolize authority figures protesting against imaginary schemes to trick them into sheepish behavior.
This is what happens when people feel instead of think.