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SpaceX Satellite Signals Used Like GPS To Pinpoint Location On Earth (gpsdaily.com) 27

schwit1 shares a report from GPS Daily: Engineering researchers have developed a method to use signals broadcast by Starlink internet service satellites to accurately locate a position here on Earth, much like GPS does. It is the first time the Starlink system has been harnessed by researchers outside SpaceX for navigation. The researchers used signals from six Starlink satellites to pinpoint a location on Earth within 8 meters of accuracy. The researchers did not need assistance from SpaceX to use the satellite signals, and they emphasized that they had no access to the actual data being sent through the satellites -- only to information related to the satellite's location and movement.

For this research, [Zak Kassas, director of the Center for Automated Vehicles Research with Multimodal Assured Navigation (CARMEN), a multi-institution transportation center housed at The Ohio State University] and his research team studied the Starlink system and analyzed signals being sent by the satellites. They developed an algorithm that could use the signals of multiple satellites to locate a position on Earth. Then, they set up an antenna on the campus of UCI and tried to use the network to pinpoint the antenna's location. Using Starlink, they identified the antenna's location within about 7.7 meters. GPS, by comparison, generally identifies a device's location within 0.3 and 5 meters. The team has used similar techniques with other low Earth orbit satellite constellations, but with less accuracy, pinpointing locations within about 23 meters, Kassas said. The team has also been working with the U.S. Air Force to pinpoint locations of high-altitude aircraft; they were able to come within 5 meters using land-based cellular signals, Kassas said.
The research paper has been published in the journal IEEE Xplore.
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SpaceX Satellite Signals Used Like GPS To Pinpoint Location On Earth

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  • Nothing new here (Score:4, Interesting)

    by kot-begemot-uk ( 6104030 ) on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @02:06AM (#61840139) Homepage
    This is the reason why UK Government bought the One Web assets out of bankruptcy - as a Galileo alternative needed once it is kicked out of Galileo as per the rules it wrote to keep the Russians and Chinese out.

    The beacons on all of these low altitude satellites can be used exactly in the same way as GPS or Galileo. Someone (of course) has to write the software and build the hardware for this to be of any use. Not that difficult nowadays provided you do not need a small low power embedded version. A lot of the prerequisites are readily available.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Satellites in low Earth orbit like One Webb and Starlink are not great for GNSS applications.

      First their movement is less predictable since they are more affected by atmospheric drag and the Earth's uneven gravitational pull. GNSS relies on knowing the precise location of each satellite and while it is possible to compensate for the extra wobble of satellites in lower orbits, it means that more data is needed and overall accuracy is lower.

      Secondly you need a lot more of them, since each one is visible from

    • by brunes69 ( 86786 )

      I don't think this is true, because unless a satellite is designed with GPS in mind, it will not have an on-board atomic clock. Such clocks are necessary for GPS to function at the accuracy it does.

    • No, GPS satellites are in polar orbits.
    • by dissy ( 172727 )

      The beacons on all of these low altitude satellites can be used exactly in the same way as GPS or Galileo.

      GPS/Galileo broadcasts a timestamp, which is central to how those protocols work to measure travel time and determine position.

      Starlink is not broadcasting timestamps, the method of measuring the signals being used here is nothing like GPS.

      I'm not familiar with the OneWeb beacons, but they can't possibly be both transmitting timestamps and not transmitting timestamps at the same time.
      If they do, they are like GPS and nothing like what is being done here.
      If they don't, then you're right this isn't new, but i

  • within about 7.7 meters

    So you're saying it was exactly 7.8 meters off the target? Or only 7.75 meters off?

    • Well, whether you are 8 mm from a bomb, or 8 meters from a bomb, doesn't make much difference.
      • I didn't even suspect that was the use case, it's true.

        What if you're building a fence, then does it matter?

    • by Entrope ( 68843 )

      Without seeing the full paper, it's hard to say whether that is a circular wrote probable (CEP) number, meaning a 50% chance of being within that distance, or a one- or two-sigma bound. Or maybe it's the actual error for a single position fix, with no known statistical distribution.

      Getting to 7.7 m does require a separate altimeter. Without knowing the receiver altitude, the horizontal error was 25.9 m (with 3-D error of 33.5 M, meaning about 21 m vertical error).

      • by Entrope ( 68843 )

        Goddammit, phone, circular ERROR probable.

        I thought these things were supposed to be smart.

        • I thought these things were supposed to be smart.

          You mean the Humaans, or the jeejah? If it's the jeejah, the humaan has to be smart enough to operate the settings interface to enable an advisory correction interface. Otherwise the jeejah does much of the talking. Don't worry. It's Smart(TM).

      • If it was CEP or something, we'd know exactly the calculated number.

        I'm sure they used something sensible in their paper, and then it was written up poorly. But the summary takes whatever they really said, and instead says "about." But then doesn't use a round number. Which is what it would be if they just glanced at one of the measurements, and never calculated anything.

        If they want to use the word "about," they should choose between 7 and 8. "About 7.7" is silliness, it will be all over the place within "

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