The First Reviews of Rivian's R1T Electric Pickup (techcrunch.com) 118
Rivian held a three-day press event in Colorado last week where a number of journalists, including TechCrunch's Kirsten Korosec, were able to take the R1T electric truck for a spin. Today, the embargo lifted and we're able to hear about their experience." An anonymous reader shares an excerpt from Korosec's report: On its first try, Rivian produced the Goldilocks of pickup trucks. The Rivian R1T electric truck is neither too big nor small. It handles rock crawling and off-camber trails with ease, can zip from zero to 60 miles per hour on a dirt road in just a few seconds without the typical back-end slippage -- although there is an option to provide that drifting effect -- and it can crank through winding mountain roads, pushing the edge of each corner without body roll. It's loaded with the kind of interior and exterior touches that put it firmly in the premium zone -- and yet the Rivian R1T is no delicate flower.
The company's designers and engineers helped the truck steer clear of pretension by combining form and function from tip to tail. Some of the added surprises -- the location of functional details like tie-downs, an air compressor and outlets -- suggest that numerous Rivian employees tested the truck in real-world conditions, including camping, mountain biking and even more mundane tasks like grocery-fetching. The result is a vehicle that feels right for all seasons and ready for anything. And, importantly, it's a joy to drive.
On a press drive over three days, a near-production-spec R1T proved to be the electric truck none of us knew we needed. That's not to say every choice landed perfectly. There are a few hardware details and elements on the software user interface side of things that could use a nip here and a tuck there. I'm looking at you, odd notch that is maybe a pen holder, but certainly the soon-to-be dust collector by the wireless charging pad. To be clear, far more time and miles are required to provide a full review. Still, as a total package, the Rivian R1T impresses. [Continue reading to hear about Korosec's thoughts on the nuts and bolts, circuit, handling and performance, user interface(s), and hardware accessories.] For a technical in-depth review of the Rivian R1T, Quinn Nelson from Snazzy Labs has produced an excellent video explaining his thoughts on the driving dynamics, vehicle functions, user interface design, and more. Fair warning: it's nearly 30 minutes long.
Further reading:
Autoblog: 2022 Rivian R1T First Drive Review: An Electric Truck Is a Better Truck
Car and Driver: The 2022 Rivian R1T Electric Pickup Embraces Duality
Business Insider: Rivian R1T: Hitting the Trails In the New Electric Pickup
Fox News: Test Drive: The 2022 Rivian R1T Electric Pickup Is a Game-Changing Truck
The company's designers and engineers helped the truck steer clear of pretension by combining form and function from tip to tail. Some of the added surprises -- the location of functional details like tie-downs, an air compressor and outlets -- suggest that numerous Rivian employees tested the truck in real-world conditions, including camping, mountain biking and even more mundane tasks like grocery-fetching. The result is a vehicle that feels right for all seasons and ready for anything. And, importantly, it's a joy to drive.
On a press drive over three days, a near-production-spec R1T proved to be the electric truck none of us knew we needed. That's not to say every choice landed perfectly. There are a few hardware details and elements on the software user interface side of things that could use a nip here and a tuck there. I'm looking at you, odd notch that is maybe a pen holder, but certainly the soon-to-be dust collector by the wireless charging pad. To be clear, far more time and miles are required to provide a full review. Still, as a total package, the Rivian R1T impresses. [Continue reading to hear about Korosec's thoughts on the nuts and bolts, circuit, handling and performance, user interface(s), and hardware accessories.] For a technical in-depth review of the Rivian R1T, Quinn Nelson from Snazzy Labs has produced an excellent video explaining his thoughts on the driving dynamics, vehicle functions, user interface design, and more. Fair warning: it's nearly 30 minutes long.
Further reading:
Autoblog: 2022 Rivian R1T First Drive Review: An Electric Truck Is a Better Truck
Car and Driver: The 2022 Rivian R1T Electric Pickup Embraces Duality
Business Insider: Rivian R1T: Hitting the Trails In the New Electric Pickup
Fox News: Test Drive: The 2022 Rivian R1T Electric Pickup Is a Game-Changing Truck
What we want to know... (Score:4, Funny)
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Can you break the window by throwing a ball bearing at it?
Probably. A little bit of spark plug insulator works mind-blowingly well. I've seen it and it is a wow moment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Video of it happening at 800,000fps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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Yes, you can. It will probably shatter into a lot of pieces.
The R1T is mostly designed to do what a normal Pickup Truck can do. Vs. Tesla attempt to make something that will survive the apocalypse.
I think the R1T is targeted towards the existing truck people, as giving them an alternative to their existing trucks. While Tesla is trying to attract people who want a Truck but could never justify getting one.
Tesla advantage is that they are attracting a hungry market, of people (including myself) who want a
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The R1T starts at $68K - is it really amazing that a company made a really, really, really nice pick-up truck with an electric drive train?
The Tesla Cyber Truck starts at $40K and looks really nice.
While I'm certain they'll have no problem selling their really, really, really nice pick-up truck, the Tesla Cyber Truck is (in my opinion) properly aimed at the sweet-spot in the market, just a small premium over a base model ICE Crew Cab pick-up truck. with the various subsidies the US government is and will li
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with the various subsidies the US government is and will likely continue to offer, I think we'll see a lot of small fleet purchases of the Cyber Truck.
Point of order. At the moment, Tesla vehicles aren't eligible for any US government subsidies. They exceeded the cut off more than a year ago, selling Model 3s. Congress may be reestablishing their eligibility, but that's tied up in the spending bill that the Senate is busily not passing at the moment, and who knows if it will ever pass.
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I'm waiting until Neuralink offers an interface to the CyberTruck, then I'll get both and my conversion to Borg will have begun.
Been looking forward to this truck (Score:2)
I come from the mountains of BC, and a truck like this would be excellent.
Re:Been looking forward to this truck (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm just excited that more than one company will be pushing Ford to compete in the electric market. Getting the F-Series electrified represents a MASSIVE step forward in targeting climate change.
I grew up out in the country and lived in the city/suburbs now for about equal time, and I can say with a rather large dataset that 95% of truck owners don't use their fucking truck in any meaningful way. They don't put shit in the back, they don't tow with it, they don't put it in 4 wheel drive, they don't go offroad with it.
They drive it to work and back 5 days a week. On the weekend they drive to the grocery store, mall, or out to eat.
My dad is a great example. He splits 6-7 cords of wood every spring, dries it over the summer, and runs wheelbarrows of it up the hill to the house all winter long. He has a bigass truck with a hitch and a full sized bed. He hunts and fishes, and has been an outdoorsman his entire life. Lives on a few acres in a little town out in the country bordering a farm and a couple hundred acres of pastures and woods.
And 99% of his truck trips are 5 miles or less, into town to work and back home.
These fucking trucks can do a lot of stuff that cars can't do. But 99.9% of the time that's not what they're used for, so sacrificing 5x more gas mileage than a compact car is asinine.
At least if they go electric the massive waste of owning a truck is mostly mitigated.
Re:Been looking forward to this truck (Score:5, Informative)
I farm and drive a truck every day for things that trucks are meant for, but even for me an electric truck would work rather well. I'm definitely excited for the Ford electric truck. Ford will be releasing a work version without the giant screen, thankfully. Specs look really good. I drive my truck at most 20 miles a day between the yard and fields, checking pivots, etc. Speed never gets over 80 kph, and average is maybe 30. At those speeds fuel efficiency is horrible on any pickup truck. Wasting so much gas. An electric truck would be ideal for me. Also in the dry harvest season, we're always worried about starting fires, constantly checking the underside of the truck to make sure nothing is touching the hot exhaust. Electric would solve that one nicely. And could easily charge overnight. There's enough range even to drive into town for parts. We're planning to put our $100 down on a truck this winter (funny how Ford is trying the Tesla marketing strategy).
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yeah, the giant screen is the major downside, although I can see how that appeals to weekend worriers, who need their videos and giant maps to get anywhere
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OTOH for the times they do benefit from a truck the option can be worth having vs. a far less capable automobile.
While I flog my trucks doing truck tasks (towing, hauling steel, machinery, motorcycles and vehicle parts etc) more than often enough to justify owning them it would not pay off for me to add an econocar to the fleet. Cars are expensive too and given the choice between owning one vehicle that is large and comfortable (I'm tall and many Americans are both tall and fat) and owning another whose sol
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Rather than electrifying trucks, how about we convince Americans to buy cars instead. I'm lucky if I see an SUV or pickup truck once a week here in Europe and they are almost universally owned by farmers / tradesmen who actually need them.
There's just no need for it for the majority of the population. Hell I know an American who bought one simply because he was too lazy to shovel snow in his driveway and instead wanted a car big enough to drive over it. This is how we're burning the world down. One lazy ars
Re:Been looking forward to this truck (Score:5, Informative)
Pass on that. They're incredibly useful and I'm not giving mine up for anyone. Need to pick up lumber for a project? Pickup Truck. Need to pick up a load of mulch for the flower beds? Pickup Truck. Need to haul a bunch of construction debris from the kitchen remodel to the dump? Pickup Truck. Need to move anything too big to go in a car somewhere? Pickup Truck.
We're not Europe. We're not built like Europe and we don't live like Europeans. There's a reason that these vehicles are incredibly popular all over the United States and it isn't because Americans are lazy.
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Europeans have all the same needs for their vehicles that you do. Most people there don't drive pickup trucks because all the use cases you listed are better served by just hooking up a cheap utility trailer to your car. And for the other 99% of the time, when you're not hauling stuff, you have a much nicer ride.
Pickup trucks are a weird compromise of features that just don't work well together. The bed is small; there's not enough interior cargo space; it's difficult to load stuff into the bed because of t
re:pickup truck usefulness (Score:2)
No argument that a pickup truck can be really useful. I've owned a couple of different ones myself over the years. But last time I found myself really needing one (trying to do a long distance move by myself on a budget), I realized the prices on used pickups in America are hugely inflated. Men buy them for the image as much as anything else. Whether or not they really use the truck for hauling things very often? They like the fact that driving one around makes them appear to be the "rugged outdoorsman" ty
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Cool story. So you're one of the few percent who actually use your truck. My comment was in no way addressed at you.
As for when I need to pick up lumber, mulch, or haul away construction debris (we're currently renovating our house). I spend $20 to hire a trailer for the day and hitch it to my small little 1.2L hatchback.
and it isn't because Americans are lazy.
Not all Americans are lazy, just a subset. It does seem however that all are presumptuous, stubborn and unwilling to see any other solution. And nothing demonstrates that more than your thought that any of the above things you mentioned require actually owning a pickup truck.
Look, this is a silly thing to argue about. Lots of families have more than one car... sometimes all for daily use, sometimes because they just need one more occasionally.
It's kind of a no-brainer to make one of them a pickup even if you don't need a pickup full time. I mean that or an SUV with some space in the back. Now does it make sense to buy a full sized truck for like $70,000+ and drive it an hour each way to your white collar job, probably not, and that's probably what you shake your head at. Is
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Rather than electrifying trucks, how about we convince Americans to buy cars instead.
Lol, you think that's the easier path?
That's fucking hilarious.
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Rather than electrifying trucks, how about we convince Americans to buy cars instead.
Lol, you think that's the easier path?
That's fucking hilarious.
America used to make big spacious luxurious cars. I'm talking Olds 98s, Chrysler Imperials, Ford LTDs, Town Cars, Fleetwoods. I know people who still seek out, fix, and drive those cars to this day. Then due to regulation cars started shrinking, and people who wanted big spacious luxurious vehicles started buying trucks instead.
I don't think there is any benefit to going back to building big cars over just sticking with trucks and SUVs, and the people who drive those are not going to be buying little
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Lol, you think that's the easier path?
No. Where did I say it was easier? Its the more sane approach, definitely more difficult though.
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America is big, and has low population density.
A lot of services that in Europe that you may happy pay for, or be convenient is not convenient to us. I don't have a Truck, but I want one. I have a broken down rider lawn mower rusting in my back lawn, that I would want to send to the junk yard and get recycled. I don't want to pay a lot of money for someone to drive all the way up to pick it up and drop it off. Where if I had a truck I could just drop it off myself and collect money for the parts. If I
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America is big, and has low population density.
That horseshit doesn't fly in the face of the USA's urbanisation figures. Country bumpschkins can drive trucks all they want, what's your excuse for driving your kids to school in an F350 in the middle of inner city Houston?
I have a broken down rider lawn mower rusting in my back lawn, that I would want to send to the junk yard and get recycled.
So for the one time you have something that needs moving, why not borrow a trailer? It's far cheaper than actually owning a large truck to simply borrow one on the occasional time you need it. I spend every year camping in SUV only accessible areas. Not owning an SUV never stopped me fro
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I have a broken down rider lawn mower rusting
in my back lawn, that I would want to send to the junk
yard and get recycled. I don't want to pay a lot of money
for someone to drive all the way up to pick it up and
drop it off. Where if I had a truck I could just drop it off
myself and collect money for the parts. If I get a new
large appliance, do to how far away I am from the
commercial district getting such a large product
delivered
BUT, you can buy a utility trailer with greater capacity than
a typical pickup truck bed for about $1000 new or half that
used. And, when you don't need the extra capacity, you
can just unhitch it and drive away.
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There is one aspect of efficiency and progress that happens.
When a process become more efficient people will use it more. So part of the reason why Pickup Trucks are so common now, is that their fuel economy is within the same ball park as most cars are today, pushing closer to 30mpg.
EV Trucks with more cheaper charging, will often encourage people to drive more. Having to charge at home every night leaving with a full charge, means you are not spending time at a gas station feeling the pain at the pump.
Re:Been looking forward to this truck (Score:5, Informative)
Look at Louisiana's widespread power loss from Hurricane Ida -- how are these electrics going to be charged if there's no power service?
You know what also runs on electricity?
Gas pumps, gas pump controllers, gas stations.
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And POS terminals and cash registers.
Or I can put solar on my roof and charge my own car after a prolonged power outage. Not to mention the efficiency of a BEV means picking your way slowly through debris strewn streets will keep you driving far longer than inefficient ICE vehicles idling while they do the same. Also, not needing to drive to the gas station that actually has power and wait in line there probably helps a ton too.
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how long will it take to recharge your bev using only the solar panels on your rooftop after a major hurricane has ripped them to shreds
Solar panels mounted in hurricane-prone regions get the same sort of reinforced mounting that the roofs themselves require. They survive hurricanes just fine. As long as the building itself is still there, the solar panels will be too.
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1. The Maverick Pickup is an optional hybrid, but in general a small pickup. Good for some people, I would had jumped onto it if it were available 10 years ago. However the EV like the R1T, Ford Lighting, and Tesla Cybertruck are bigger trucks with more utility.
2. Our Fuel infrastructure has been shown in the past couple years to have some major weaknesses in it. Large scale power outages, had caused a lot of the gas pumps to shut down, until the power has been restored. Also such disasters can often h
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Range is 314 miles. I don't think so.
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Well the thing with EV, a lot of the energy loss is often due to Wind Drag. Going Slow, even uphill is less of an energy sap, than driving fast. Then for every hill you drive up, you also drive back down, regenerative breaking can often charge you back up a good amount.
I have a 2012 Prius, I live in a hilly area. I actually get better fuel economy because of that, because in my 60 mile commute, a good portion of my drive is without using much fuel, as I am going downhill and charging my battery, and using
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A normal off road adventure, is often not longer than 100 miles of driving. So 300 mile range even with more than expected energy loss is still plenty.
Sounds great, but I'd like a little more info about the mileage difference between on-road and off-road driving - a 1:3 ratio doesn't sound that far off (rock climbing and slogging thru mud logically would require more energy than highway driving).
Also, the idea of boldly going off into the woods with an electric vehicle sounds like a risky act - modest trips in to the woods wouldn't be a problem, but a day or two of driving and camping, possibly using the EV battery to power lights and other items and I'd
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The best thing about using an EV battery for powering camping equipment is that it will hardly make a dent in the range because EV batteries are ridiculously big. The Rivian has a 135kWh battery - even if you light up your camp like Burning Man and draw a constant 100W (that's a lot of LED lights), that would be almost two months worth of charge. The average American household uses about 30kWh per day, so you could alternatively run your whole house for about four days on it, if there was a way to hook it u
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There are damn few places in the US worth going (outside of Alaska) where driving 100 miles off-road is even possible.
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I wouldn't say preferring the Cybertruck is necessarily being tribalism. Tesla still has a better charging network, the promised range is 500+ miles for the 3 motor trim, also the Self Driving Features in Tesla is still a few years ahead of the competition.
Will Tesla Cancel the 500+ mile Cybertruck? I don't think so, unlike the Plad+ which is very expensive, and offer little benefit from the previous trim model (400+miles), it and the 2021 production issues, it probably wasn't a good model to push, as 400 miles vs 500 miles for normal driving isn't a big deal. I expect they are are enough preorders for the 3 motor Cybertruck, but Tesla may cancel the Rear Wheel Drive 39k model. While Tesla does not provide every trim they announce, their choice on what to provide and what to drop, are often due to demand, vs not being able to meet the specs.
The R1T is a good Truck too. hand the 300 mile range is plenty for that type of driving. However the R1T doesn't have such a large charging network yet. So before you can go off road you may have already driven a hundred miles, do your off road, and drive a hundred mile to get to the charging station. Which may be pushing it. Also many first time buyers of EV, suffer from Range anxiety, because they often forget that they can charge at home, and even the non-tesla charging network is getting better every day, where having a range for a comfortable safe driving experience 300-400 miles still weighs heavily on people mind, so that 500 miles which may be overkill but still is a feature people want.
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Cybertruck does not exist
You are both arguing in defense of a pair of trucks that are not available for purchase yet.
Also, the CT is the ugliest thing proposed in decades.
The Cyber Truck s a truck, not a sportscar - who cares what it looks like outside? Compare interiors and prices, that's what will drive a lot of truck sales.
Re:Been looking forward to this truck (Score:4, Interesting)
With an electric, you generate power coming down the mountain. Regenerative braking means you only lose the inefficiencies, you get back most of the power you put in.
As somebody in the US who drives in the mountains a lot, it would really be a huge improvement to be able to use regenerative braking downhill instead of just friction braking all the way down.
Assuming you start at the bottom and drive up the mountain, then come back to that lower elevation, it would be almost impossible to run out of power and get stuck. You'd have to be really stupid and kept going way past just 50%. In a gas vehicle if you're down to half, you might as well be stuck already!
Re:Been looking forward to this truck (Score:5, Interesting)
"Regenerative braking means you only lose the inefficiencies, you get back most of the power you put in."
Not even close. At least not based upon my experience. We have a mountain here that is a 2,000' climb over 4.5 miles. I make back around 20-25% of what it takes to go up the mountain. I use full regen on the way down. Of course the nice part is that I never have to touch the brakes.
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What an asshole.
You said "Regenerative braking means you only lose the inefficiencies, you get back most of the power you put in."
This suggests the "inefficiencies" are small, since "you get back most". This is what he disagreed with, and he is right.
The problem here is that you don't what you are talking about. That and you are, as mentioned, an asshole.
Re:Been looking forward to this truck (Score:5, Informative)
Or maybe, like the study by Van Sterkenburg, S., Rietveld, E., Rieck, F., Veenhuizen, B., Bosma, H. entitled "Analysis of regenerative braking efficiency ", he is correct in assessing the real-world benefits of regenerative braking at 20-25%. Studies get anywhere from 16% up to 70+% depending on how they rig the testing environment (or if they even test at all instead of simulating everything), but real-world tests seem to settle on 20-25 as general expectable range.
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I'm an engineer, so I expected that to some bullshit, but it turns out that you also have low reading comprehension.
What does it say?
the round trip regenerative braking efficiency reaches the 70%
Don't be harsh, their world view is collapsing, and facts bother them.
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Regenerative braking means you only lose the inefficiencies, you get back most of the power you put in.
Echoing what someone else said, not even close.
Re: Been looking forward to this truck (Score:2)
Given that Rivianâ(TM)s entire marketing focus for this product is mountain adventuring, itâ(TM)s probably safe to assume theyâ(TM)ve thought of your use-case and provided for it.
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Based on the video review they took the truck out for a day of (what looked like) back road mountain climbing and used less than 25% of the battery capacity.
https://youtu.be/KS1HdnKG0YY?t... [youtu.be]
Sure if you don't bother to charge it before going out into the back country you could have a problem but that is poor planning not a problem with the truck.
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Um, dude, BC has a province wide recharging network and literally CREATES hydroelectric power that is exported to the US.
Just a couple of weeks ago, a couple of guys drove across Canada in an electric car. Took them two days, which is how long it takes when you drive any other car.
Kitchen Sink option on the R1T (Score:2)
only an extra $5k, including induction cooktop.
There's a pretty good video showing all the options, maxed out, $98k
It doesn't have much range (Score:3)
Only 110 miles pulling a decent load. Still, it would handle maybe 80% of farm/ranch related activities. Good to see the development of more than urban passenger vehicles.
However, that last 20% tends to be very important. Auctions, shows, and all sorts of heavy long haul stuff.
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Looks like there's enough room in the bed to carry a genset and a few cans of gas.
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so funny
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That is not the target market for this truck whatsoever. It's an adventure truck. Rivian is an adventure company. They have no interest in the market you just described, at least not right now.
There is a reason this entire press junket was done off-roading in the mountains.
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It's an adventure truck. Rivian is an adventure company.
Then it seems like the range would be an issue, as lots of adventure guys cart around things like kayaks or ATVs or dirt bikes.
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Yup. I dunno if I would take that machine down the forestry trunk road into the foothills for my "adventure" knowing I'm at the range limit with no easy way to top up the tank.
I guess it is aimed at adventures within a reasonable distance from home.
Sorry, I actually like electric light trucks arriving in the market. It's about time.
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I guess since it's not a Tesla it cannot possibly be charged on the road. No doubt this will not be a problem for the Cybertruck, just ask SuperKendall.
It should be noted that the R1T has a 400 mile long range option, not yet shipping (like the Cybertruck). Not that it matters, it only needs to be bad news for any threat to Tesla.
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You realize MotorTrend already drove this across the entire USA on the Trans America Trail right, and had zero issues with battery or charging along the way?
In fact, the only vehicle in their convoy that had issues was the Ram mule they had with them, which had issues on more than one occasion that Rivian had to pull them out of.
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How much does the range of the Tesla truck drop when towing?
What is the weight of the item being towed to calculate these range drops?
The 500 mile range for the Tesla is only in the Tri Motor version. I think the Dual Motor version would be a better comparison to the R1T. The Dual Motor Tesla only has a range of 300 miles.
From a quick search it looks like you should expect the Tesla Cybertruck to only have approximately half the range while towing so it wouldn't be much different than the R1T (in the Dual M
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...or maybe you're mistaken, or maybe you are ignorant. I know what my money is on.
"...lots of adventure guys cart around things like kayaks or ATVs or dirt bikes."
Which says nothing about range. Mailing this one in, eh SuperKendall?
Tell us again how great the Cybertruck is?
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MotorTrend already drove this truck across the entire United States on the Trans America Trail - something that is a feat with *ANY* vehicle - and had zero issues with range or charging.
They called it "the most remarkable pickup [theyâ(TM)ve] ever driven."
Maybe do 5 seconds of research....
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They are also making electric delivery van for Amazon as well. Maybe these vans will be markets to the general public once Amazon's order is filled.
https://youtu.be/KS1HdnKG0YY?t... [youtu.be]
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I guess I should actually proof read before posting (since /. doesn't seem to want to add editing). Let's try that one again.
They are also making electric delivery vans for Amazon. Maybe these vans will be marketed to the general public once Amazon's order is filled.
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I work with a remote site... Our road is 12 miles long, gains/loses 2000' of elevation depending on your direction. Even this is overkill, but it's nice to see electric trucks starting to become something we can look at. The other thing we're looking for is electric power packs to replace the diesels in things like our backhoe and other heavy equipment.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I think the range requirement will differentiate who buys what.
Someone said it is for the "adventure" market, but I think that is being too kind. An awful lot of pickups are sold to people who just like to drive heavy metal and otherwise have little use for the capabilities of the truck.
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If you do not understand that Rivian is in the adventure market, why are you even commenting? You think it is being too kind? What does that even mean? Have you even looked at what Rivian has been doing for years?
"An awful lot of pickups are sold to people who just like to drive heavy metal and otherwise have little use for the capabilities of the truck."
How is this even slightly relevant? Are we now attributing posers to Rivian's detriment? Is describing Rivian's product as "too kind" justified becaus
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I know this because the trucks we use to tow our race car in a 28" enclosed trailer burn fuel like it's going out of style when on the road, so stop bitching like it's a thing that only affects electric vehicles.
This truck has the tow rating to haul our race car around but it wouldn't work for us because our average tow is something like five hours in each direction, and we have to stop at least once
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My Cummins does quite well hauling thank you, and with my extra tank I can pull a full load over 1200 km.
Even your guzzler should go much farther than 110 miles on a tank
Gas ICE will get shit for mileage.
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Yeah, fuel consumption increases considerably but I do a little better than that. Hauling four horses in a 28' trailer I get about 14 mpg (actually about 16L/100km). Probably be same as yours going through the mountains to the coast.
Point is that as nice and useful that electric light trucks are, if you need the range they just don't have it. Hopefully that will change but I think there will be a market for diesels for a while yet.
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I think it was about $1200 CAD for a 100 gallon setup.
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Yes, and anyone who has done this, including me, knows this is true.
Diesel mileage is cut just like gas mileage, and just like electric will be. The person you are responding to has a testosterone problem.
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Degradation in range while towing has NOTHING to do with how the energy is converted. There is utterly NO difference in reduction in range between your macho Cummins and a BEV tow vehicle.
The ONLY different is the ease of having a bigger tank and refilling it quickly. Any BEV whose range is cut in half towing is pulling a load that will cut your diesel's range in half as well.
"Gas ICE will get shit for mileage."
Thanks for making your intellect clear.
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Goodness gracious. Anger issues?
Don't have much actual experience I see.
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I guess it depends how often you make that journey. If it's only a few times a year then you could save much more time by charging at home than you would lose on those occasional long trips.
That was certainly my experience of owning an EV. Occasionally I needed to charge for 20-30 minutes but that was nothing compared to the amount of time wasted at petrol stations over the year.
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Here we go.
I pull a 40 yacht every weekend through the Rocky mountains and drive 400 miles to work every day. This truck can never work for me!
No. It will do nicely for most typical jobs and actually the low end torque is great.
Just saying that the farm/ranch market is a big sector for working light trucks. When a long heavy haul is required, which may only be a few times a year, I don't want to gaze at my $75,000 electric feel good runabout wishing it had 5 or 6 times the range.
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The R1T is not targeted at the "farm/ranch market", not that it matters to you.
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That's what I immediately noticed when I checked out the articles. It doesn't appear serious about being a cargo hauler, but instead appears to be a recreational vehicle. I don't get why you'd sacrifice bed space (on an already short bed) on that cargo tube when you already have that front trunk available for covered storage.
Give me an electric pickup which can be used to haul 4x8 plywood/drywall sheets or a full sized couch along with a bunch of other stuff during a move. Give me that (hint: full-length
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Yup, and EVERY vehicle suffers the same degradation in range when towing.
Funny how no one mentions that Tesla's don't get their rated range.
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Here we go.
I pull a 40 yacht every weekend through the Rocky mountains and drive 400 miles to work every day. This truck can never work for me!
So, you are actually holding yourself out as any kind of reasonable representative of a significant fraction of the intended market?
Or are you just lying?
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No, he's being sarcastic which triggers autistic /.ers who can't pick up very obvious sarcasm in a post.
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It is a sarcastic reply to the "this electric vehicle will never work for me because I do X that even an ICE can't so" argument that always comes up on every electric vehicle article.
No one tows a 40 ft yacht into the Rockys, which is the joke.
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It is a sarcastic reply to the "this electric vehicle will never work for me because I do X that even an ICE can't so" argument that always comes up on every electric vehicle article.
No one tows a 40 ft yacht into the Rockys, which is the joke.
Yes I get it now.
Whooosh!!!
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and drive 400 miles to work every day
How long do you actually work per day? If you are spending 8hr+ per day just to get to and from work you may want to consider moving for a shorter commute.
8^)
Whatever, thanks for the ad. (Score:1)
durable goods shopping (Score:5, Funny)
I seem to have found the Shopping Channel by mistake. No, I'm not in the market for a new electric pickup truck, but as long as I'm here- I have been considering a new electric refrigerator. Any suggestions?
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Must have been that link you clicked from GQ.
So you want a new electric refrigerator, eh?
You poor emasculated snowflake.
I have manly Diesel Refrigerator, with a Cummings fuel injected inline six.
When the compressor on that baby turns on I always get a smile from the sound of that sweet turbo kicking in.
Since you're asking for suggestions snowflake, try Consumer Report for your sissy electric refrigerator.
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Me, too. I'm thinking about a new electric razor. Any suggestions?
Whoa! (Score:2)
As a long time off roader, they might add something to disable that acceleration feature. I mean, I've gone 60 mph on dirt or gravel a few times, but it's a great way to kill yourself, your passengers, or the person you drift into coming the other way while cornering.
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What "off roader" offers a "disable that acceleration feature"? You realize that you control the throttle, right?
Have off road vehicles suddenly become unsafe with the Rivian?
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What "off roader" offers a "disable that acceleration feature"? You realize that you control the throttle, right?
Have off road vehicles suddenly become unsafe with the Rivian?
As an offroader that isn't a 16 year old, The idea that the first boast of the trucks maker is that it can accelerate to 60 miles per hour in a few seconds is irresponsible. It's like boasting how my jeep can do 60 on Ice without spinning the tires. (it can - their traction control system is impressive) There's a little problem though - Stopping or cornering, or sudden evasive maneuvers because of someone coming the other way while you are doing that. Dirt and gravel are not dry concrete, and you have to be
Being trialled in Australia now (Score:3)
https://thedriven.io/2021/09/0... [thedriven.io]
Apart from desert crossings over Big Red and corner country, I hope they test it out up in Far North Queensland. There are some mud and river crossings up there that are doozies.
And also on the Thousand Dollar Track in Tasmania (so named as that is the minimum amount of damage it does to a vehicle):
https://www.youtube.com/result... [youtube.com]
But most of all I hope our anti-electric-vehicle government takes notice - they have ridiculed electric utes as not being powerful enough for tradies (tradesmen) to tow boats and go offroad on weekends.
Kinda cool except... (Score:2)
The front end looks hideous to me. Those headlights look cartoonish.
Too much touchscreen, too little physical buttons. Maybe it just takes some getting used to but poking away at a touchscreen while driving down the road sounds distracting and, frankly, dangerous to me. Anything that is used frequently like the stereo, A/C and heat controls, etc. should be physical buttons. Either that or give me voice controls..."Alexa, it's too hot in here".
On the plus side...the power it generates is astounding. It would
Most importantly (Score:2)
Can I buy one in Europe?
(Normally I would look at their site first, but it is not loading at the moment)
Perfect (Score:3)
Data Point (Score:2)
Long Way Up (Score:2)
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I thought the exact same thing when I clicked on the link. Same with the Tesla truck. Really same with all hybrid/electric models for the most part. They always add some "feature" or design to make it look futuristic or different in some way. The end result is the vehicle is less visually appealing.
Rich early adopters pay for later solutions (Score:2)
Rivian is a toy for now but toys pay for R&D and trickle down through the automotive food chain.
Most vehicle sales are used, not new, so today's vanity purchase is tomorrows functional vehicle.
Most truck users don't do truck stuff with their trucks but want the comfort and capacity option. They can buy Rivians which funds future trucks I might use. There is no urgency since one can keep a gasser for twenty years (I keep them longer).
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You and that synthesized fuels nonsense. How does taking energy to create hydrocarbons gain you anything? You burned fuel to make a more dense fuel. Net gain zero.
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How does charging a battery gain you anything? You always put more energy in than you get out. Is that not also nonsense?
The reason why fuel synthesis is needed is for the same reasons batteries are needed. The difference with synthesized fuels is the energy density is sufficient for aircraft, and it is a drop in replacement for petroleum derived fuels.
The people working on a manned mission to Mars are developing the technology to synthesize hydrocarbon fuels. That's because they believe this to be the
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That armchair sure seems comfortable, eh?
Let us know when you've cracked the investor/capitalism/bureaucracy puzzle well enough to get your magic-fuel vehicle of any sort to market. I doubt Rivian or any vehicle is a cure to our environmental woes, but it adds choice to the market.
And to re-align your "truck" definition, please research the majority of uses for truck-like designs in the US. Hint: Suburbanite recreation of 2 days or less. Rivian isn't guessing the market will like their offering - the