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Ford Plans To Produce 600,000 EVs a Year By the End of 2023 (engadget.com) 117

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Ford CEO Jim Farley announced that the automaker is planning to produce 600,000 electric vehicles per year by the end of 2023, "which will double the number of EVs it originally intended to manufacture," notes Engadget. From the report: According to Automotive News, production will be spread across the Mustang Mach-E, F-150 Lightning and E-Transit. Ford's current EV lineup is wildly popular, Farley said, and the demand is "so much higher" than the company expected. The Mustang Mach-E is selling on three continents, while the Ford F-150 Lightning has been popular from the time it was announced. Ford received 100,000 reservations within three weeks after it was unveiled, and that number's now up to 160,000 -- all placed with a $100 refundable deposit. Due to the high demand for the F-150, Ford previously decided to invest $250 million to boost its production, creating 450 new jobs to help it make 80,000 trucks a year. It's unclear how much that target would change now that the company is doubling its manufacturing goal.
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  • Made in USA, Right? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by AlanObject ( 3603453 ) on Friday November 19, 2021 @09:32PM (#62003819)

    Right?

    Batteries from China.

    Electronics from the pacific rim somewhere.

    Factory in Mexico.

    And they will get a big hearty round of praise for "leading the way" on electrifying the fleet because they are "union."

    At that time Tesla will be at a run rate of about 2M cars per year I think. AOC has a Model 3 but I think the rest of the Democrats are ignoring Tesla because of the union angle. It is dumb but no party is perfect.

    • I'm "planning" on having ripped abs and dating a supermodel by 2023

      lol, at least I'm not asking people to buy stock in me based in it

    • With the history of lung cancer I'm not going to look this gift horse in the mouth. The smog I breathe is actively contributing to a shorter life and a worse one at that. We do not talk nearly enough about the effects of air pollution on people's health and well-being or the costs involved with it. The left wing is always going on about shaving the whales and social justice and spend way too little time on practical considerations like asthmatic children and people dying of lung cancer who don't smoke

      • Re:Has someone with a family (Score:5, Insightful)

        by garyisabusyguy ( 732330 ) on Saturday November 20, 2021 @12:27AM (#62004147)

        When I was a kid we would drive through Los Angeles to visit my grand parents. I remember the drop into the valley and the impenetrable layer of brown smog that hid the city from you.

        The problem was due to NOX and the photoeffect of the chemical reaction between NOX and hydrocarbons producing ozone, a major lung irritant. My dad would laugh and tell me about the mining town that he grew up in and the way the smoke would burn his lungs (actually SO2 reacting with the water in his lungs to form sulfuric acid), until they were forced to build tall smokestacks that would make the plume go over the hill to the next town.

        The decisions to require catalytic converters, limit hydrocarbon emissions and build those tall smokestacks were not welcomed by industry... let's just recognize the positive work of the US environmental movement before they started shaving whales (fyi saving whales is a good thing, since their poop does a fantastic job maintaining bountiful oceans)

        • and I don't know how anyone can get near it. I could hardly breath. I saw a guy jogging and thought "how?". It was like walking into a bar before the cigarette bans.

          My compliant isn't with the positive results the environmentalists have made, it's that they've stalled out because their tactics aren't working and instead of changing gears they keep fucking that chicken. But no matter how long and hard that chicken is fucked Officer Barbrady isn't gonna learn to read. At least not before he's too old to p
        • I honestly can't see any good coming from shaving wales. Just leave those animals in peace, I say!

      • I agree that the Left talks too much about shaving the Wales when there is ample evidence that we cannot lower CO2 emissions, especially in high population density areas like Wales, without nuclear fission power plants. This is not a call to get energy only from nuclear fission, it is a call to have enough nuclear fission power plants in nation like Wales that there is enough land left for growing food and clothing fiber, land for parks and other recreation areas, and land for heavy industry, nature reser

      • Pollution in (Western?) Europe is estimated to kill 500.000 people per year, mostly caused by coal plants. But Germany had to make a move to shut down all nuclear plants, because of the perceived danger. As opposed to the real danger that we live with, and apparently accept...

    • Re:Made in USA, Right? (Score:5, Informative)

      by Octorian ( 14086 ) on Friday November 19, 2021 @11:47PM (#62004095) Homepage

      It is somewhat infuriating that Tesla gets basically none of the credit that normally goes along with being an "American" car company. Heck, as far as the "Buy American" crowd is concerned, they might as well be a chic European brand.

      Meanwhile, "Big Detroit" seems to want to move everything beyond their management structure overseas at every opportunity.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by dfghjk ( 711126 )

        "...Tesla gets basically none of the credit ..."

        LOL, Tesla gets way too much credit and way too much press. They are wildly overvalued and everyone knows they are an American company. This is absurd bullshit.

        Also, one of the most crucial aspects of Tesla's manufacturing technology is a partnership with foreign companies (battery manufacturing). Where it matters, Tesla is NOT what you claim.

        • Re:Made in USA, Right? (Score:5, Interesting)

          by bookwormT3 ( 8067412 ) on Saturday November 20, 2021 @04:54AM (#62004389)

          Stock price is merely a public indication of the aggregate of the stock owners' beliefs in the future value of the company. True that Tesla is inordinately identified with the person of Elon Musk, but the last year's rise in stock price mirrors the last year's rise in production, AND in likelihood of future profits and domination, for example:

          -Tesla's batteries dominate the market, not even close. No other vehicle has 'the good stuff' that Tesla is putting in their cars already, and Tesla batteries are expected to only improve. Ford has made a good effort at against previous offerings though, nobody can say they're not trying.

          -Tesla past agility in design and improvement of design has made big waves, watch youtube "munro" videos

          -Tesla's current agility in production has saved their bacon where it comes to the supply chain shortages. Elon was confident enough in his production to not cancel his chip contracts, and guess what, he was right, he's able to sell all the cars that the chips are for, and more. Meanwhile Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum in Detroit were right, turns out they're not selling the cars they didn't think they couldn't sell, but it's because they couldn't strongarm to reinstate the supply contracts with all forgiven.

          -Tesla future production, in particular the gigapress method, is likely to give them a further advantage in production costs and scaling. Would be funny if Elon turned into a union shop by automating so many things that unionizing the people that are left didn't affect the cost structure of production.
          Ford has a good chance at competing with Tesla in comparable price ranges. Toyota finally sees the error of their ways, we'll see how fast the ship can turn around. I don't think anyone else has much of a chance at the low end. Past competitors like Volt->Bolt and Leaf are losing. Kona and probably a few others have already lost. At the high end, Porsche is hanging on, on name alone, nobody is going to think poorly of any Porsche, Lambo, McLaren, or whatever owner buying a high end S/X/Roadster for their next car. (after all, all the person has to say is ok lets race) There are a few more recent additions, Bentley I think might be an example, but they're all just going to be relying on past success, very little to do with it being an EV.

          -Tesla Full Self Driving is really good on freeways, nowhere near ready for 'prime time' on city streets, but I don't doubt they're way ahead of everyone else and everyone else has yet to run into the buzzsaw that is 'reality'. (Thank heavens it only took a single fatality, that lady in Las Vegas on the bike, for the whole world to shut up about how close everything was to having Full Self Driving. NO, we're NOT! t's going to take a lot of learning before a FSD doesn't risk bankrupting the maker with wrongful-death and damaged property lawsuits from real-world city streets crashes, and reductions in statistical fatalities isn't going to cut it when the car runs someone over and there's video footage of the FSD being at fault.) So Tesla is well positioned to make it into the safety 'promised land".

          -Tesla in China is switching to Iron-based batteries in China to eliminate most Nickel and/or Cobalt. (sorry, don't remember the details right now). Range is lower, but price will be lower, and also lowers demand for raw materials for the longer range batteries in the wealthy countries, but will still contribute to market dominance.

          -Tesla Berlin is taking on german engineering on their home turf. This isn't a symbolic gesture, they're doing it because they fully expect to dominate and want to do it wholesale locally in EU. They fully intend to kick sand directly into the other automakers' faces.

          -Other plants opening (e.g. Texas) because although they're scaling the existing Fremont plant, they don't expect it to be enough. Think about that. Elon thinks he needs 5x the number of plants, all producing multiples of what the original plants made during his Billion-Dollar-Profits which itself is scaling up, and he

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by ghoul ( 157158 )
          Tesla Stock price or for that matter the stock price of any Non Union shop reflects the fact that Tesla has no off book liabilities like Union pensions and Union healthcare. This is why the Big 3 gets such a low P/E.

        • You do realize that the only reason Tesla exists is because of the massive subsidies and direct financial assistance provided to it by both the US and CA govts, right? Not to mention to massive incentive of getting on the HOV lanes in an electric car.

          Without these incentives, Tesla would not have been anywhere and Elon would have been just another Techbro who got lucky. There are thousands in the valley.

          Don't get me wrong, I am not saying Elon did not make valuable contributions to humanity and showed the w

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by gr7 ( 933549 )

        Well tesla is relatively small. They are growing fast though but they sell about half a million cars per year. GM sells about 7 million. You make a reasonable point although I think Tesla *does* get credit for creating american jobs.

        Also Tesla is about to open a huge "giga factory" in Europe. Which hasn't created a lot of American jobs.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Trying to label things as "American" (or of any country) is reductive.

        Tesla started by buying parts it didn't make itself from European car manufacturers. The steering wheels they used were Mercedes, for example. The batteries were and still are made by Panasonic (Japanese), except for the cars built in China which use Chinese batteries. When the plant in Germany gets up and running it will use German built batteries.

        There's nothing wrong with that, in fact it's a good thing.

        The issues Tesla has are more to

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by dfghjk ( 711126 )

      "It is dumb but no party is perfect."

      And yet you single out one...while praising Tesla and shitting on Ford with veiled xenophobia. What a surprise.

    • Batteries from China.

      Ford and SK Innovation to spend $11 billion, create 11,000 jobs on new U.S. EV and battery plants [cnbc.com]

      Electronics from the pacific rim somewhere.

      Ford, GlobalFoundries say they will work together to boost chip supply [yahoo.com]

      Factory in Mexico.

      Eh, close enough, it's on the North America continent.

      At that time Tesla...

      Tesla is just following the path most American corporations became big, get started on the backs of taxpayers through government incentives and grants, then off-shore everything they can to maximize profits. Tesla just has not noticeably moved off-shore yet, but it will given enough time

    • Fix the "union laws", so you can have "normal unions" like in Europe.
      Can't be so hard. And then the "union problems" are gone.

    • Ford is building a battery plant in Kentucky. They are probably building more elsewhere either directly or indirectly in the United States.

  • Plans to (Score:3, Informative)

    by IdanceNnyCar ( 9019505 ) on Friday November 19, 2021 @09:34PM (#62003821)
    Elon already is producing more EVs than that. I dumped my entire 401k into Tesla stock.

    • I look forward to telling you that I don't have any spare change on me.

    • When to short Tesla? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by aberglas ( 991072 ) on Friday November 19, 2021 @09:45PM (#62003847)

      I was tempted some years ago, and would have been wiped out.

      The company will obviously be successful, but the current valuation is more than every other car company in the world put together, I think. And as battery prices fall and electric cars become more viable there will be stiff competition.

      But is it time yet???

      • Don't try to guess the absolute peak, that's too hard and no one can do it. Wait until the stock starts going down (you'll notice the hype around it change), then short it.

      • Go buy a Mach-E and let us know. :D

      • Re:When to short Tesla? (Score:4, Interesting)

        by bookwormT3 ( 8067412 ) on Friday November 19, 2021 @11:46PM (#62004093)

        To paraphrase Warren Buffet, the time to sell a stock (and in your case, short it) is when everyone thinks it's the greatest thing ever. (That was a month or two ago.) The time to buy a stock is when everyone thinks it's terrible. (That was a while back, when all the naysayers were saying that Tesla was on the verge of bankruptcy, right before its record setting, billion-dollar profits quarters.) *

        You can't out-time the market, but those are probably as close to strategic guidelines as you're going to come by. For the current situation, the price has gone down a little because of Elon's little stock stunt. (Bravo! well played Elon, well played. That was really clever way to cover up that you're a 'paper billionaire' and need to write IOU's in order to keep the lights on at your house, without making people too too nervous that you're selling some stock because of bad future and not just because you're broke!) But there's a real good chance that tesla, once they open giga factory berlin and giga factory texas, as well as scaling the factories they already have open, they can start challenging the big makers on volume, and do it cheaper too. Tax Rebates on everyone but Tesla might muddy the waters a bit, but it's a risky time to be betting against Tesla.

        *=The actual wording was a lot closer to something like Have the courage to sell when everyone else says buy, and the courage to buy when everyone else says sell.

        • Every billionaire is a paper billionaire. No one is sitting on cash or gold bars, they all have all their value locked up in some assets. The only thing that separates them is if their assets are volatile or not.

        • But there's a real good chance that tesla, once they open giga factory berlin and giga factory texas, as well as scaling the factories they already have open, they can start challenging the big makers on volume, and do it cheaper too. Tax Rebates on everyone but Tesla might muddy the waters a bit, but it's a risky time to be betting against Tesla.

          *=The actual wording was a lot closer to something like Have the courage to sell when everyone else says buy, and the courage to buy when everyone else says sell.

          It's an even riskier time to bet for Tesla.. They're already worth more than the rest of the auto industry combined, which raises the question of what their additional upside could possibly be. At the same time not only have all the big auto-makers have pledged to go electric and those cars are starting to come out but a couple new EV startups are ready to start shipping. So Tesla is suddenly going to have competition on both sides (traditional and tech).

          Their current stock pricing is already irrational, ma

      • I wouldn't dare short TSLA. Too many people emotionally invested to apply logic and reason to that ticker.

        I don't know that the company will remain successful over the long haul. They seem to have scaling and quality issues. I have a feeling once the big automakers get their EV's in play, life's going to get much more difficult for Tesla.

        They could be like Tucker, Nash, or Studebaker. Great products, but the companies still did not survive against the competition.

  • They are like so much more moneyable than puny Fnord [cnbc.com] even though they have "plans", to be producin, some day, in the undefined future, up to, 30000 electric vroom-vrooms per year. [electrek.co]
    It's totally believable that they are worth more than (or as much as) established car companies like GM and Ford.
    It is totally NOT a pump-and-dump scheme built on top of a johnny-come-lately's attempt to be a Tesla more than a decade too late and waaay too many dollars invested into production capacity too short.

  • Ford is serious (Score:5, Interesting)

    by bookwormT3 ( 8067412 ) on Friday November 19, 2021 @10:48PM (#62003981)

    (Apologies for staying on topic, but I thought I should make at least one)

    Ford is for real with EV's. They seem to be the first non-luxury (ie, excluding Porsche & friends) to seriously try to copy the Tesla philosophies in their Mach-E and F150 lines. And I mean that in the most complimentary way, from the contouring outside to the big screen inside. Tesla was the first one to make an EV that wasn't a goofy clown car (S&X), then do it relatively inexpensively (3&Y). Ford seems to be the first maker that is going to be competing on Value (price compared to performance), coolness, and service given (does job with low maint), not on name recog (Porsche) or virtue signalling (mainly Prius).

    Another example, If I'm not mistaken, Ford (Mach E I think) is the first EV that matched the original Model S long range's battery distance. And the F150 EVis clearly for real a utility work truck. Tesla is mostly dominating the passenger car and crossover markets, and if anyone can overcome Tesla's lead on the car and the production and the charging network, it is probably Ford. Especially I predict the F150 is going to exceed the cybertruck, given cybertruck's delays to market.

    Cybertruck will have to re-obtain lost momentum to compete with the F150, and probably will never dominate the market unless Ford has a serious stumble. (Could happen - battery fire problem or manufacturing stall or something big, after all they're the johnny-come-lately's and may yet stumble) Telsa will probably dominate EV Trucking (which I know would be single-day runs for the time being, but if they can use the regular supercharger network that would be a workable emergency plan), and for future markets has already put out feelers to move their drivetrain to other platforms like the Sprinter van or similar.

    Rebates may be an issue too. If Fords have $8000 bigger discount than Teslas, that pushes in favor of Ford, especially on the low end.

    ps, and someone had better wake up Nissan, I think they've been hibernating the last 5 years, I don't think they're even watercooling their batteries yet. la la la la can't hear anything, telsa who are they. Yeah, shoulda just thrown in the towel and built an alternate car to run on Telsa batteries, that would have been 2016/17 or so strategic thinking of the year prize, now all their former customers have wised up and are buying Teslas.

    • Last comparison I saw (Everyday Driver) put the Mach-E well ahead of the Model 3. Take it for what it's worth.

      Biggest difference that comes to mind is a car company adopting tech vs. tech company becoming a car manufacturer.

      Have some misgivings about Ford's reliability, but they definitely know more about how to build cars.

    • Range will be a problem for any EV, especially in the cold.

      A work truck, especially on remote sites, are not a cowboy Cadillac/ city shitter wants to look cool/GREEN ride. The F150 Lightning range sucks, in good weather, "a standard-range battery targeting 230 miles of EPA-estimated range and an extended-range battery targeting 300 miles of EPA-estimated range". Tesla's range drops hugely in cold weather, because you have to heat the cabin, battery, so on. Do you want a work truck that gets 100 miles bec

      • Ah yes but I'm not comparing the F150 EV to a gasoline vehicle, I'm comparing it to the only other realistic EV truck, the cybertruck.

        However EV range (well Tesla range anyway, since that's what we're comparing) isn't really affected much by cabin heat or heating the battery, it's affected much more by aerodynamics, specifically travel speed and cargo/trailer profile, and by a heavy cargo. 55 mph versus 85 mph is going to be a huge difference in range. Towing profile can be a huge problem on a small battery

        • What about Rivian? That also looks capable of being a real work truck. There will be others as well.

          The Cybertruck is another kind of beast. It's not really a pickup truck in any conventional sense. It will appeal more to people who might have bought an SUV than to people who were looking at an F-150. I expect it to be a success but not with truck buyers.

      • Fact is gas stations stay open because of the large number of commuter vehicles not the smaller number of work trucks. And the commuters are fine with even a 100 mile daily range.

        Since most people will be changing over to EVs soon, gas pumps will become as common as Hydrogen pumps today. At that point people with ICE work trucks will either have to change to EV trucks or give up most of their cargo capacity to carrying extra gas or spend hours every day driving to and from gas stations.

      • Tesla's range drops hugely in cold weather, because you have to heat the cabin, battery, so on.

        No, it doesn't. You lose a few percent, somewhere between 4% and 10%, depending on various details. I've been driving a model S for three years, and a Nissan Leaf for seven years before that, and live in northern Utah, which has plenty of cold & snow in the winter.

        • You'll lose a lot more in Anchorage. An EV probably isn't a viable choice there at present. Then again, NO vehicle works really well when it's -40 outside!

          • You'll lose a lot more in Anchorage. An EV probably isn't a viable choice there at present. Then again, NO vehicle works really well when it's -40 outside!

            It'd be fine in Anchorage, which on average is about 10F to 15F colder than where I live. Anchorage has never recorded a temperature of -40. The record low is -34F, which is pretty darned cold, but the record low where I live is -38F. Average low temps in the winter in Anchorage are in the low teens, vs the low 20s where I live.

            You have a point, though, that there are very cold places where an EV would spend a bit more of its energy on heating. Anchorage isn't a terribly good example. Fairbanks, would ha

            • I did name the wrong place in Alaska, and it IS telling that it's necessary to dig pretty hard for a case where EVs aren't going to work well. There are going to be some edge cases that call for combustion vehicles on the ground, but that number should drop over time and eventually get to zero or very close to it. Airplanes are a harder target; they may be the use case for hydrogen that makes sense, not cars. Hydrogen's end-to-end efficiency is lousy compared to batteries, but in airplanes the need for high

              • I think for airplanes there will be a place for short-range battery-electric planes (<500 miles). For longer-range aircraft, my money is on synthetic fuel because for long distance air travel you need really high energy density in a form that doesn't require a heavy container, and it's very, very hard to beat liquid hydrocarbons for that.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by dfghjk ( 711126 )

      The most interesting thing about this ignorant post is that the author claims to be a "bookworm". Perhaps you may read, but that doesn't mean you learn anything from it.

      Porsche "tries to copy Tesla's philosophies"? Please stop lowering the IQ of everyone around you, bookworm.

      • Porsche "tries to copy Tesla's philosophies"? Please stop lowering the IQ of everyone around you, bookworm.

        The sentence you refer to says "excluding Porsche", right after making it clear that I'm only comparing/discussing "non-luxury" cars. Perhaps you should quote people more faithfully, and read more carefully, else your own IQ be what's in question.

        So lets talk about design philosophies. What car does the Ford Mach-E most remind you of, in general appearance and the implementation of the newest technologies shown to the driver:

        A) Tesla, take your pick of S, 3, or X. Y even, since everything that matters was a

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Don't you have Kia and Hyundai in the US? They have been making affordable EVs with Tesla-beating range and lots of tech inside for years.

      Nissan's new EV is the Aria, which looks decent. It does have a water cooled (and heated) battery.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by ghoul ( 157158 )
        Kona beats Model 3 on price and range - ON PAPER. When you try to buy one the dealers want 10K over MSRP. Tesla has a great advantage that it does not have a dealer network actively trying to push you to buy an ICE. Just building the car is not enough. Which is going to be a problem for Ford too. All the standalone EV companies are getting higher valuations as they are not stuck with legacy dealer networks.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Have you seen the EV6? It charges faster too.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by ghoul ( 157158 )
            Doesnt matter if the dealer network keeps sabotaging sales. Dealers dont like EVs as EVs dont need much maintenance and dealers make their money on Service not Sales.

      • We do, but availability of their EVs in the US has been very low. The Kona/Niro branch are stopgap cars that were never intended for high volume production. The new models based on the E-GMP platform will be the first from the company to actually be readily available once the company can make enough of them; at present those aren't yet available in the US in any meaningful quantity.

        The Nissan Ariya has been announced as a 2023 model. It is not yet available. It looks like a decent car; we'll have to wait an

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          The US seems to be lagging a bit then, as those cars are widely available in quantity in Europe. We also have a wide selection of affordable EVs, in the $25k range (before taxes). The MG ZS EV for example, or the heavily discounted Leaf 40, or Renault Zoe, or VW eUp.

          • The US is indeed lagging in EV availability. A big obstacle here is that dealers don't want to sell them. The reason is that there has been a race to the bottom in selling new cars. The internet eliminated the asymmetry in information that made it possible for dealers to make a significant profit selling cars other than scarce limited production models; most of the time cars sell for well under their sticker price, and the dealer may only make a profit of a couple of hundred dollars for selling you a $30,00

  • it's early days (Score:2, Redundant)

    by marcle ( 1575627 )

    I'm too poor to be playing the EV game, but if I were in the market, I wouldn't buy any EV yet. Teslas seem to have too many problems, and an unstable software platform, not to mention poor customer service. Ford has got some interesting ideas, but they're just making electric copies of ICE vehicles that I never would have bought anyway. Most of the others seem to be going for the luxury SUV market.

    Lucid is the most interesting in terms of advanced tech, but they're still shooting for the luxury market, and

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Octorian ( 14086 )

      Hopefully by then there'll be enough charging stations.

      Somehow, I feel like it may take that long for that to happen.
      Tesla is the only company being proactive about the charging problem for any sort of long-distance road travel. Everyone else thinks they can solve it with a handshake and a press release about some sort of "initiative."

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by gr7 ( 933549 )

        What's your budget? I just bought a new Bolt a few months ago. Love it. $25K including all fees except taxes. If your budget is $3K then I agree there isn't a huge used electric car market but it does exist (e.g. leaf's have been around for a while now). Note that you will save money on gas/electricity (amount depends how much electricity and gas cost in your area). Chevy is pretty good at making cars and electric cars are simpler to manufacture. Really it's all about the most expensive part - the bat

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      I can tell you that the most inexpensive car I've owned since my $3000 ancient honda is a Nissan Leaf. Whether you slice it by operating cost or Total Cost of Ownership, it wins. $30k miles and the only thing I've ever done is sit at the Dealer to make sure my warranty is valid with their service requirement. And washer fluid.

      • this AC needs mod up to at least 2

        Bought new right? So hows your battery holding up?
        I haven't seen TCO of leaf compared to 3 standard, but 3 standard is comparable to 5 year TCO of honda civic. (comparable meaning needed at least some incentive money to actually cost less)
        Reviewer (incorrectly, I'm quite sure) actually somehow came up with hundreds in maint costs and primarily mentioned wipers and remote control batteries as being the items worthy of mention. I would have thought to include or mention exclu

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by shilly ( 142940 )

      Don't they have financing deals in your country? Here in the UK, I've bought three EVs from 2016 to today, and deliberately bought all three on PCP deals because the tech was rapidly improving and I didn't want to be locked in. So I have a fixed monthly outlay and the TCO is low, and I get access to better tech as it comes along. Has worked well for me.

      Granted, I bought all three cars new rather than second hand as you are suggesting, but then none of my cars cost anything like Tesla prices -- all were a su

  • Slashdotters have assured me over and over again that no one will buy an electric Mustang because the only thing important in a car is the sound of its engine, and no one would buy an F150 because uh something something farmer working in the mines, haulage, errr daily trips in excess of 10000miles ... well to be honest at least the noise thing made sense.

  • Bring back the Taurus, Fusion, and Focus first. Otherwise, hello Honda.

  • Every time I see one of those Mach-E Mustangs on the road, I have the following mental conversation: "What's that ugly thing over there?" "Wait, it has a badge....it's ...a horse." "Oh....one of those mustangs. bleah". Then promptly forget what it looks like until I see one on the road a few weeks later, and repeat. It's both horribly forgettable AND ugly.

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