Top Vaccine Makers Already Preparing to Fight Omicron Coronavirus Variant (usatoday.com) 165
While the Omicron mutation might "impact" the effectiveness of our current vaccines, they're "super unlikely" to render them useless, according to Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of Brown University's School of Public Health.
And USA Today reports that vaccine makers are already getting ready to fight the variant: Health experts have said it will likely be weeks before the world has good data about how omicron may reduce the effectiveness of current vaccines, but Moderna has already announced a three-point strategy to combat the new variant...
Moderna's strategy involves three options for boosting COVID-19 vaccination, should omicron prove problematic for current vaccines. The three options, according to a Friday release from the company: A higher dose booster, shots currently being studied that are designed to "anticipate mutations such as those that have emerged in the Omicron variant" and an omicron-specific booster — which is already in the works.
Andy Slavitt, who previously served as President Joe Biden's White House senior adviser for COVID response, said in a tweet that both Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech have estimated a vaccine to combat a new variant could be developed in about 3 months, with some regulatory and logistical hurtles to follow. "If we start in early December, new vaccines could be available by summer in much of the world," Slavitt tweeted.
Multiple media organizations on Friday reported Pfizer-BioNTech is studying the new variant and expects data within weeks. If warranted, a targeted vaccine could be developed within 6 weeks and ship within 100 days, the reports say.
Johnson & Johnson is also testing its current vaccine against omicron, according to CNBC.
And USA Today reports that vaccine makers are already getting ready to fight the variant: Health experts have said it will likely be weeks before the world has good data about how omicron may reduce the effectiveness of current vaccines, but Moderna has already announced a three-point strategy to combat the new variant...
Moderna's strategy involves three options for boosting COVID-19 vaccination, should omicron prove problematic for current vaccines. The three options, according to a Friday release from the company: A higher dose booster, shots currently being studied that are designed to "anticipate mutations such as those that have emerged in the Omicron variant" and an omicron-specific booster — which is already in the works.
Andy Slavitt, who previously served as President Joe Biden's White House senior adviser for COVID response, said in a tweet that both Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech have estimated a vaccine to combat a new variant could be developed in about 3 months, with some regulatory and logistical hurtles to follow. "If we start in early December, new vaccines could be available by summer in much of the world," Slavitt tweeted.
Multiple media organizations on Friday reported Pfizer-BioNTech is studying the new variant and expects data within weeks. If warranted, a targeted vaccine could be developed within 6 weeks and ship within 100 days, the reports say.
Johnson & Johnson is also testing its current vaccine against omicron, according to CNBC.
Possibly relevant (Score:3, Insightful)
a) The Omicron variant was found in 4 fully vaccinated individuals
b) Word on the ground is that omicron is mild.
However, because we are ruled over by some truly evil fuckers, here's my prediction;
1) Somehow omicron will hit children harder that past variants
2) One of the symptoms will be myocarditis or pericarditis.
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2) One of the symptoms will be myocarditis or pericarditis.
That wouldn't be surprising, given it is already a symptom with current variants of COVID-19 [nih.gov].
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What isn't a symptom of covid at this point? Serious question.
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Well sneezing is very rarely a symptom. Outer skin conditions or itchiness would be something else.
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Also cancerous growths, stomach ulcers, anemia, etc. Myocarditis, however, is often a side effect of bad viral infections (including flus, and now covid).
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However, because we are ruled over by some truly evil fuckers, here's my prediction;
I don't think antivaxxers are evil, just stupid and obstinant.
1) Somehow omicron will hit children harder that past variants
This is a safe assumption because the greater the impact, the better that the virus can spread. This is survival of the fittest, so anything that helps the virus spread better/faster is selected for.
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I did think of most of them as being stupid, until something happened to someone rather close to me. There I know that they're not a bad person themselves, but are just not capable of discerning all the garbage on social media from the reality that's happening around them.
Having the same lies repeated at yourself over and over again does create doubt and fear simply as part of peer pressure because most of us are by natural social animals.
I ge
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But they won't take the vaccine that is so 'new' and 'untested'.
A LOT of people in Florida think that too (about a free ~100 microgram vaccine injection), but when they get sick they flock to get a free full IV bag of Regeron in their arm, ignoring that it is also similarly "new" and "untested". Gotta love their "logic".
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There are three types of anti-vaxxers.
1. The delusional. This is most of them. If they're eating horse paste, they're in this group.
2. The grifters. They're the ones making money peddling false cures to the delusional, or being paid off by other means.
3. Those deathly afraid of group 1 and/or 2, so they keep parroting the lines.
We've got a hope of peeling off a chunk of group 3, if the fear of death starts to exceed the fear of social backlash. And maybe that will give some in group 1 the direct experience
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"a) The Omicron variant was found in 4 fully vaccinated individuals"
Nothing remarkable about that. Breakthrough infections are common with alpha and delta as well.
"b) Word on the ground is that omicron is mild."
Too early to tell.
ladies and gentlemen, your new improved SAT (Score:2)
Question 9:
The Omicron variant was found in 4 fully vaccinated individuals. You should:
(A) Keep looking.
(B) Do nothing, it will all end well.
(C) Keep repeating this number out loud until something interesting happens.
(D) Blame the government.
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If people paid attention to their zinc and vitamin d levels then 1) and 2) wouldn't be happening in any meaningful numbers.
Refresher: You get vitamin-d mainly when sun hits your skin turning cholesterol in your skins surface into vitamin d, take a shower and you can wash that fatty substance off before it enters your body as vitamin D - that takes about 24 hours. If you cover up and don't get a tan then you're not getting vitamin D.
Vitamin D supplements are best taken 20 minutes after eating a fatty food, t
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At this point there's so much of a mix in terms of treatments that it's hard to tell what the effects are since you can have people who have had multiple shots/boos
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Word on the ground is that omicron is mild.
Show your source.
Here is a source: https://www.theguardian.com/wo... [theguardian.com] "... so far the cases we are seeing are extremely mild".
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Not necessarily and not all of them (Score:3, Interesting)
So it is not "Top Vaccine Makers". Let's call the spade a spade - it is Pfizer who is scrambling. Again. Others who are in the world top 5 in terms of administered doses - not so much.
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Vaccines work by presenting an antigen to the body, which then generates all kinds of different antibodies that match different regions of the antigen. Just a few types of antibodies rendered useless by mutations wouldn't need to be problematic. Many types of antibodies rendered useless probably would.
So you see that every single mutation not being a problem is no consolation at all.
All vaccine manufacturers you mention use the same synthesized spike protein so they would be expected to have the same proble
Re:Not necessarily and not all of them (Score:5, Informative)
The vaccine manufacturers use the spike protein because the spike protein has a receptor binding domain that is common all over the host body -- the ACE receptors. When presented with the "sars" virus, the immune system (as it always does) generates gazillions of antibodies in "random assortments". These antibodies are then filtered through the hosts "self detection" filters which are *supposed* to remove (prune) the "random assortments" which would attack the healthy host.
However, some persons (presently about 0.3% of the population, so it appears) have "defective" safety systems in that when they are confronted with the "sars" virus they fail to prune properly (ie, some attackers of self get through). This causes additional problems for the host that has a defective response and results in a cytokine storm and a **syndrome** known as ARDS. The defective host continues its defective response which, oftentimes, results in the host killing itself.
The design goal of the vaccine(s) was to prevent those defective responses by pre-exposing the immune system to the antigen in a controlled manner that would not result in triggering a cytokine storm **even when the host mounted a defective response**. This means that when an antigen gets presented that would generate the same immune response against ACE2, the defective will have already appropriately "pruned" the response so as to avoid a cytokine storm and the death of the defective host.
The "spike protein" is the wrong target if the goal was to provide sterilizing immunity -- it is however the correct target if ones aim is to prevent the defective hosts from killing itself. It will take a while longer to discover the actual antigen to use to generate "sterilizing immunity".
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"The vaccine manufacturers use the spike protein because the spike protein has a receptor binding domain that is common all over the host body -- the ACE receptors. When presented with the "sars" virus, the immune system (as it always does) generates gazillions of antibodies in "random assortments". These antibodies are then filtered through the hosts "self detection" filters which are *supposed* to remove (prune) the "random assortments" which would attack the healthy host."
This is how I learned it.
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Re:Not necessarily and not all of them (Score:5, Informative)
AZ and Sputnik were a lot less effective with Delta than Pfizer was. So maybe saying that expect Omicron to be the same is not really saying much.
Hurry Everyone Panic! -- or don't (Score:3)
I won't say I'm not concerned for this variant, but at this point the relevant authorities don't know how transmissible it is, if or how it evades current vaccines, if the illness is worse than other variants.
So for now I'll continue what I've been doing
Masking in public
Keeping current on vaccination
Following the current situation and adjusting accordingly.
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The pandemic has been over for some people for a very, very long time. They see the fear as perplexing.
As long as you don't need an ICU bed for something else and there is not one available, it is easy to not think too deeply about these things.
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In that scenario, the cost is being beared by healthcare professionals and the systems put in place over decades to only provide the exact minimum level of staffing for the baseline load.
e.g. nurses get overwhelmed and quit from doing this s for coming up on 2 years.
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In that scenario, the cost is being beared by healthcare professionals and the systems put in place over decades to only provide the exact minimum level of staffing for the baseline load.
e.g. nurses get overwhelmed and quit from doing this s for coming up on 2 years.
My neighbor is a nurse, as is my sister-in-law's sister. I've heard all the horror stories and fully appreciate how stressed out all of the people working in the health care system are. And on top of that they have to put up with protests outside hospitals, and people on social media saying COVID is a hoax and the hospitals are really empty. I can't say I blame them for leaving, and I'm profoundly thankful for the ones who have stuck with it, making the world a better place, unlike all the anti-vaxxers a
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As long as you don't need an ICU bed for something else and there is not one available, it is easy to not think too deeply about these things.
Don’t worry, permanent brain damage [latimes.com] is a relatively common side effect so catch it and you needn’t worry about thinking ever again.
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As long as you don't need an ICU bed for something else and there is not one available, it is easy to not think too deeply about these things.
Don’t worry, permanent brain damage [latimes.com] is a relatively common side effect so catch it and you needn’t worry about thinking ever again.
That certainly explains all the people who think they have "natural immunity".
"super unlikely" (Score:2)
super, adv.
: yet another super-overused superlative qualifier.
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The need to learn to live with it... (Score:5, Insightful)
Globally, we are struggling against an obvious outcome - learning to live with Covid, just like we do with flu.
Witness the global market impact from this new variant, adding yet more financial misery and yet more freedom curtailed.
I get it - I totally get it - the biggest problem we are facing, is the collapse of health systems globally, due to the sheer volume of hospitalisations.
That impacts on ALL other hospital admissions, which ultimately results in higher mortality rates, worse outcomes etc.
There are many who just haven't connected the dots regarding this or just don't want to - they aren't seeing hospital admissions, they aren't seeing the absolute eye of the storm - that the impact of the virus is not so much that a huge percentage of people will end up in hospital, but just that too many are, too many for hospitals to cope.
It's also, like any virus, almost a case of russian roulette - are you willing to take that chance? I sure ain't. This virus scares the hell out of me.
So, at my age - in my fifties - there's roughly a 70% chance I'll get ill and recover, pretty much like a real bad flu.
But there's a chance I end up in hospital or get long covid, with all the hell that brings.
However, despite all that, we have no real choice here, we cannot keep on locking down, because the economic damage eventually outpaces the damage the virus causes.
Within the next 6 to 12 months, there has to be a global decision made - no more lockdowns, but rather, a concerted effort to wake people the fuck up.
Get vaccinated, wear a fucking mask in public for fucks sake - not much to ask? - just be aware.
Be aware you are not doing this for you, you selfish motherfucker, but for other people.
Sorry, got a bit ranty there, but so damn sick of seeing people breezing around in crowds with no care for ANYONE but themselves.
Humanity really does suck sometimes.
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Get vaccinated, wear a fucking mask in public for fucks sake - not much to ask?
Getting vaccinated? Not too much to ask.
Wearing a mask on a temporary basis to avoid overcrowding hospitals while we learn to live with a new disease? Not too much to ask.
Being required to wear a mask in public spaces permanently since COVID is never going away? Way too much to ask.
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Except masks and vaccines don't seem to have any impact on transmissibility.
Can you link to your datasets? Mine show masks work. https://www.webmd.com/lung/new... [webmd.com]
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Check out https://twitter.com/ianmSC [twitter.com]
He correlates real word datasets into graphs which make it painfully obvious. I'd be weary of the Bangladesh study for the simple reason it's a statistical outlier; it doesn't match other datasets. It suggests the methodology was flawed, or at least specific enough that it changes what the data shows.
Re:The need to learn to live with it... (Score:4, Insightful)
Twitter is not a source of medical information.
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Well, his graphs almost always include their sources.
Shoot the messenger all you like, it's good data.
We need a more proactive approach (Score:3)
To get ahead of the virus, Virologists need to make more variants in the lab. Then we can see how they behave on humanized mice, and proactively develop vaccines against them.
The GoF techniques for doing this have been well proven in Wuhan.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Re:The need to learn to live with it... (Score:4)
masks and vaccines don't seem to have any impact on transmissibility.
You're full of shit.
Re:The need to learn to live with it... (Score:5, Informative)
Except masks and vaccines don't seem to have any impact on transmissibility. There are now countless easily accessible datasets that show this.
Humanity does indeed suck. It's because they're dumb, panicky animals more often than not, that are easily manipulated into believing nonsense when they're afraid.
Someone asked you to provide datasources to back this up, you provided a single link to a twitter account, which links off to a website, where the "authors" include a single unnamed person going by the moniker "IM".
https://www.pnas.org/content/1... [pnas.org]
https://www.bmj.com/content/37... [bmj.com]
https://jamanetwork.com/journa... [jamanetwork.com]
Those are just three from the top Google search results - and interestingly, all the many authors names are present.
So, what are you going to do, trust an unnamed person on twitter, producing no peer reviewed studies, or trust named people presenting peer reviewed studies?
You could also, crazy as it may sound, trust common sense.
Placing a barrier between your nose/mouth is clearly going to prevent at least the larger particles from travelling far. The better quality that barrier is, due to material and fit, the more preventative it is.
Nobody ever said it's a magic bullet, but even if offers just 5 or 10 percent reduction in spread, that's a good enough reason.
Also, do you think workers in health care wear masks for fun? That Doctors and Nurses, decide, as they get to work "Hey, I'm going to just wear this mask, it doesn't do anything, but you know, I like the way it looks."
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I offered his graphs because they include data sources on them as well as graphical representation of said sources. I'm sorry if that was too complicated for you to understand.
In healthcare settings, HC professional change their PPE frequently, plus they know how to use it in the first place. There is a world's worth of difference between a nurse and your average person when it comes to how they use their mask. Guess what though? Even with all that protective equipment, they still got sick last year. I
Six weeks and 100 days (Score:2)
Of course, the time factor which isn't mentioned is how long it then takes to vaccinate all of the vulnerable and on the basis of previous experience that seems to be a few months. So, as I s
3 months? (Score:2)
By then with any luck the unvaccinated Republicans will all be dead and the vaccinated Democrats will be dancing on their graves. Yeah I know it's troll but I had to say it. LOL!
Delta specific vaccine (Score:2)
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There have been reports that Pfizer had created a Delta-specific vaccine. It turned out that Deltaâ(TM)s spike proteins were very, very similar to previous variants so the Delta-optimised vaccine had no measurable advantage. Omicron seems to be different, but creating a new vaccine specific to a variant seems to be no problem.
mRNA technology allows us to respond faster to new or changing pathogens than has ever been possible. I'm happy to live in a time where modern medical science offers us that benefit.
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It's concerning that Pfizer has apparently decided to spend time testing existing vaccines before beginning to develop an Omicron vaccine. The decision tree is obvious: Current vaccines effective? We wasted some research resources. Current vaccines ineffective? We killed thousands of people by delaying.
Running out of names? (Score:2)
I heard when they run out of Greek letters, they're going to start using the annual hurricane name list.
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Oh, silly me, what was I thinking? It's actually $530 per pill. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u... [cbsnews.com]
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$530 per course & yeah, that's what Americans pay for pills, isn't it? Isn't medical bills the biggest cause of bankruptcy in the USA by a large margin?
I expect Americans will be able to get it much cheaper if they cross the border into Mexico, like they do with many other pharmaceutical products.
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Actually job loss is the top reason
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66.5% of all bankruptcies were tied to medical issues â" either because of high costs for care or time out of work
That is more than just your claimed source (medical bills). If the study underlying that is anything like the ones by Warren et al., it finds that similar fractions of people blame medical bills as mortgages. That fraction only becomes a majority by including factors like loss of income from being sick, or having high out-of-pocket costs over a long time period, or other factors. For example, Warren's definition of "medical bankruptcy" included people who lost their jobs because they needed to care for si
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In civilized countries, it is both much harder and much more serious to be declared bankrupt than it is in the USA.
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Re:I can't wait to sign up (Score:5, Informative)
For COVID, Reuters tried to debunk that the protease inhibitor pill from Pfizer and the unpatented Ivermectin have different methods of action, but in fact confirmed that they're both protease inhibitors
Would you stop this bullshit spreading of lies. Ivermectin is not a portease inhibitor [factcheck.org]. Full stop. You keep repeating this crap because you think you're being cute or else deliberately spreading lies.
The supposed connection, according to a computational modeling paper published by some Indian scientists in March, is that ivermectin might act as a protease inhibitor, among other potential mechanisms. This alleged connection is made explicit in social media posts with a graphic juxtaposing a Pfizer press release and the abstract of the Indian paper.
That paper, however, does not show that ivermectin acts as a protease inhibitor against SARS-CoV-2 through any sort of biological experiment — it only proposes the possibility based on computer simulations.
The data so far do not support using ivermectin to treat COVID-19, although clinical trials are underway to find out for sure. But if the drug does work, it is likely not through protease inhibition or any other antiviral mechanism, as the dose needed to see antiviral effects in the test tube is much higher than the amount prescribed to people.
(though the science is still out as to how effective IVM is, if at all)
There is none. Every real world test shows zero efficacy in relation to covid. And why not, how would an anti-parasitic work against a virus? Might as well use something containing permethrin to fight covid.
More up-to-date data (Score:2)
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And why not, how would an anti-parasitic work against a virus?
We don't know how many drugs work. It's not implausible, just not true, unfortunately. :-)
If it did work, we'd have conspiracy theorists telling us how Ivermectin was an insidious plot
From NCBI (Score:4, Interesting)
"Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/
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Ivermectin and Zinc can end the pandemic today.
Don't forget the full moon and the magic chant. It won't work properly without them too.
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You're missing the magic ingredient. If a conservative is president, then covid is not as bad as the flu and the deficit doesn't matter. If a liberal is president, then it's a terrible pandemic and the only thing almost as bad is the deficit.
I dearly wish Ivermectin would help with covid; if it did, a lot fewer people would have died around the world.
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I dearly wish Ivermectin would help with covid; if it did, a lot fewer people would have died around the world.
It's a shame pharmacists have been given the power to deny fulfilling a doctors prescription for Ivermectin, and hospitals are restricted from administering it to dying patients unless there is a court order to force them to. I wonder who is to blame for the all out Ivermectin ban?
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The data on that is legitimately confusing (Score:3)
> Probably all the doctors who have followed the science and seen that Ivermectin either does nothing or next to nothing.
Probably. I mean the main early study on Ivermectin was pretty clearly fraudulent, which should have set off a lot of BS alarms. And there have been a few more ridiculous studies since then.
But the data on Ivermectin is actually somewhat mixed [substack.com], once you eliminate the obviously bad studies. One theory on that is that it only actually helps patients with worms, rather than treating Co
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Remember who told you this.
I don't know who you are.
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Random internet troll?
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Random internet troll?
True, my first post to Slashdot since 2008. Time flies!
Eat your vegetables and get vaccinated (Score:2)
Remember who told you this when the pandemic ends.
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Ethical conduct of research
This article does not contain any studies with human participants or animals performed by any of the authors.
Just computer sims...
Both ivermectin and remdesivir showed high binding affinity to different viral proteins and seem to be potential drugs against SARS-CoV-2; however, laboratory and clinical trials are needed, particularly for ivermectin.
Even the authors know it's not real result yet.
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>This article does not contain any studies with human participants or animals performed by any of the authors.
1. I said numerous, that's one of many.
2. There are numerous ongoing clinical trials that will show or won't show whether IVM is effective
3. Those studies with test subjects won't magically reveal the mechanism of action. Why would they? You need other studies that analyze the mechanism of action for any drug.
>however, laboratory and clinical trials are needed, particularly for ivermectin.
And?
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IVM has also been shown in reputable studies to be ineffective. Only if you take the results of several bad studies do you see positive results
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The Mexican authorities will get swamped, they'll close the border, US citizens will cross the river, desert and hills illegally looking for a better life with reasonably-priced meds, be captured, claim "medical asylum" (Mexican hillbillies will say, incorrectly, that they should have crossed at a legal point of entry for that), be put into camps (separate from their kids) and eventually deported.
I mean, that's just a guess.
Let's hope they vaccinate them before releasing them back into the wild.
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Wait until you price monoclonial antibodies. Meanwhile vaccines are still cheap...
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Survival as a service: aka paying for your own damn food and the roof over your head.
Survival as a service: when your cardiac surgeon, anesthesiologist, and OR nurses collect their paychecks.
Survival as a service: when the dude watching the missile warning radar (and the dude who designed and built thr missile warning radar too) collect paychecks out of the taxes *you* pay.
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It doesn't make any difference whether the West "hoards" their vaccines.
Anti-vaxers are not just a first-world phenomenon. If almost half of the people around the world refuse to even get a shot, then infections and mutations will endlessly run rampant, regardless of how many doses get doled out to poor countries.
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That last point becomes rather moot if the unwilling don't have access to the vaccine in the first place.
Re:Stop hoarding vaccines (Score:5, Informative)
That last point becomes rather moot if the unwilling don't have access to the vaccine in the first place.
Unlike some other places in Africa, South Africa has a sufficient vaccine supply. Vaccine hesitancy is indeed a problem there, as it is in much of the developing world.
https://www.usnews.com/news/wo... [usnews.com]
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The West: 600 million people (Europe and the US, 300M each). The world: 7 billion people. The West hoarding 600M doses or not isn't going to significantly impact vaccine availability.
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I bet you the idiots in the west are going to double down on stupid now, and hoard even more vaccine for new boosters for healthy 20 year olds, before repeating the same hoarding with any new vaccine developed, depriving the developing world yet again.
Of course, I continually hear how first world countries have far FAR FAR more people than the rest of the world combined. That’s why “hoarding” a full course that keeps the population safe is just so wasteful. It would be a shame if the countries producing it and paying for it were like one fifth of the world and not 4 out of every 5 people that exist.
Get off your high horse of saying people don’t have the freedom to protect themselves and family when the majority or about 8 bi
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You: Doctor, I'm aching all over and my eyes are bloodshot, what is it?
Doctor: The tests say you have Watusi Disease. The best medication we have is OmniEfferdent, all the big pharma companies make it.
You: Nope, not good enough, I don't trust them.
Doctor: But the government did the research, the phama companies implemented it, and it really does work.
You: I don't trust the government.
Doctor: So what do you want me to do.
You: Doctor, I'm aching all over and my eyes are bloodshot, what is it?
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What datasets are you looking at that suggest the vaccine prevents infection?
You could always try this report from July [cdc.gov] which states vaccines reduce the risk of being infected by 91%, also prevent infections, substantially reduce the ability of people who may still get infected from passing the infection on to others, and keep people out of hospitals as well as the grave because any potential symptoms are mild and short lived.
A new CDC study finds the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines authorized by the Food and Drug Administration (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) reduce the risk of infection by 91 percent for fully vaccinated people. This adds to the growing body of real-world evidence of their effectiveness. Importantly, this study also is among the first to show that mRNA vaccination benefits people who get COVID-19 despite being fully vaccinated (14 or more days after dose 2) or partially vaccinated (14 or more days after dose 1 to 13 days after dose 2).
“COVID-19 vaccines are a critical tool in overcoming this pandemic,” said CDC Director Rochelle P. Walensky, MD, MPH. “Findings from the extended timeframe of this study add to accumulating evidence that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are effective and should prevent most infections — but that fully vaccinated people who still get COVID-19 are likely to have milder, shorter illness and appear to be less likely to spread the virus to others. These benefits are another important reason to get vaccinated.”
But please, let us hear you whine how because the vaccines are not 100% effective
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It is a link to a screenshot of a random tweet.
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Alright I'll ask the big questions here.
1) Who is behind this? Illuminati? Shadow governments? Lizard people?
2) For the purpose of...? Money? They're probably already wealthy. Power? That can be bought.
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Even if current vaccines offer no protection from it, people who are vaccinated also tend to be better at wearing masks and social distancing, so we'll still be smirking while anti-science dumbfucks get infected at anti-mask protests and die slow, stupid deaths in which they learn how wrong they are just as it's too late to change. And when vaccines for the omicron variant are are produced, we'll take them like rational adults and we'll be right back to where we were last month, with virtually all virus inf
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Except random cloth masks don't afford the protection you imagine, some are found to make matters worse. We don't have proper masks for the populace. And really virulent viruses essentially "go right through cloth masks" so to speak (e.g. measles), you need the medical grade stuff for something like that, what if omicron is similar? I've plenty of masked friends that got sick, cloth may help some but it's not panacea.
In other words, under no circumstances should anyone take any protective measure to prevent getting infected because nothing we do is 100% effective.
With lhat logic, we should get rid of air bags and seat belts in cars because neither are 100% effective at preventying someone getting killed in an accident. Might as well stop producing fire extinguishers since they aren't 100% effective at putting out fires. Hand rails don't stop everyone from falling down stairs, traffic lights and stop signs don't stop e
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If that were true then COVID19 would be spreading unimpeded to hospital staff, they would all have at least asymptomatic breakthrough infections at all times and they'd have to switch to sealed suits with hosed connections to separate ventilation systems to stop it.
But it won't be the first or the last time that observed reality and mainstream science conflicts with what you've cherry-picked to believe.
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With the abundance of real world datasets under various conditions, there's no reason to remain ignorant as to the effectiveness of the various mitigation strategies that have been tried ( ie: lockdowns, masks, social distancing and vaccines ), nothing has been shown to be all that effective.
Yeah, bulshit. Wearing masks, social distancing, getting vaccinated are proven methods to either prevent getting infected or minimizing the potential to get infected. Your lying can't change that. That's why studies
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I'm just looking at the data. If n95s were as effective as claimed, they'd show up in the datasets. They don't.
There's no "silver bullet", with any virus. However, you can significantly reduce your risk profile through the methods I outlined. Enough, I'd bet, to show up as statistically relevant in the data ( which would be a nice change of pace ).
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I will _never_ stop smirking at HCA contenders, awardees, or runners up.
Ever. Not even close friends and family.
The last few years have completely stripped away every last bit of empathy for anyone willfully ignorant of math or science.
Being ignorant of math and science is one thing, I can help you, card carrying membership in the proudly ignorant of math and science club is another thing. It's not on me for failing to sufficiently explain statistics to the willfully ignorant, I don't care how badly you w
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You seem to be making the point those media links represent something typical or what the average person can expect. You are spreading FUD worse than the anti-vaxxers. Completely fear-driven educated people will be our downfall here unless you learn to be smarter (highlights are my own):
It's not FUD if it's the truth. People who keep saying covid isn't real, that it's not serious [businessinsider.com], that taking goat paste will protect them [businessinsider.com], who ignore basic scientific principles [bbc.com], keep dying at a greater rate for their group
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What are our options for us socialists who cannot use big pharma capitalist products?
In the US, at least, the Government is picking up the tab for vaccinations, which sounds pretty socialist. So what's your problem? Simply labeling it a Capitalist product and refusing to use it because of that seems pretty lame. Also, socialist economies aren't 100% devoid of capitalism.
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