CES's Justification for Keeping the Show IRL is Absolutely Unhinged (inputmag.com) 193
An anonymous reader shares a report: Somehow CES 2022 is still happening in a little over a week, despite the single-largest surge in COVID-19 cases ever recorded in the United States. The electronics show will be far less enormous than usual, but not necessarily because organizers at the Consumer Technology Association (CTA) wanted it to be that way. CTA president Gary Shapiro went as far as to post an extensive rant on LinkedIn (and in the Las Vegas Review-Journal) about why, exactly, CES is still happening. He says CES "will and must go on." Let's take a moment or two to read through Shapiro's op-ed. We promise it's worth the time. Here are some of our favorite ways in which the CTA president explains his reasoning:
1. If we do not cancel, we face the drumbeat of press and other critics who tell the story only through their lens of drama and big name companies. We suppose this applies to us (pretty meta of us). Anyway, it's pretty telling that Shapiro's leaning on "bad press" -- not the ongoing public health crisis -- as a reason to not cancel the show.
2. I will feel safer at CES with our vaccine and masking mandate than I do when I'm running every day errands, including food shopping! Sorry, what? CES is notorious for packing attendants in like sardines. What kind of grocery store is this man going to?
3. It may be messy. But innovation is messy. It is risky and uncomfortable. Well, sure, innovating isn't a clean process, but CES isn't actually fostering innovation. The innovation's already done before these companies arrive on the showroom floor.
4. For those who are vaccinated and willing to take the minor risk of Omicron and a quarantine, CES may be worth it. I'm sorry, did this man just refer to COVID-19 (you know, the one that's killed more than 2 million people) as a "minor risk"? CES also said today that it will end a day earlier.
1. If we do not cancel, we face the drumbeat of press and other critics who tell the story only through their lens of drama and big name companies. We suppose this applies to us (pretty meta of us). Anyway, it's pretty telling that Shapiro's leaning on "bad press" -- not the ongoing public health crisis -- as a reason to not cancel the show.
2. I will feel safer at CES with our vaccine and masking mandate than I do when I'm running every day errands, including food shopping! Sorry, what? CES is notorious for packing attendants in like sardines. What kind of grocery store is this man going to?
3. It may be messy. But innovation is messy. It is risky and uncomfortable. Well, sure, innovating isn't a clean process, but CES isn't actually fostering innovation. The innovation's already done before these companies arrive on the showroom floor.
4. For those who are vaccinated and willing to take the minor risk of Omicron and a quarantine, CES may be worth it. I'm sorry, did this man just refer to COVID-19 (you know, the one that's killed more than 2 million people) as a "minor risk"? CES also said today that it will end a day earlier.
Vaccinated risk (Score:4, Interesting)
In-person human interaction is important. No one is forcing people to go to CES.
The risk to vaccinated and boosted under-50s is extremely low, even with Omicron. Eventually we have to accept that COVID will be endemic and that all of us will get it.
We should meet it on our own terms, though. Vaccinated and boosted.
Re:Vaccinated risk (Score:4, Interesting)
In-person human interaction is important. No one is forcing people to go to CES.
Yup... and what exactly is the proposed end-game here. Nobody credibly believes the threat of Covid is going away anytime soon. Delaying + cancelling + virtualizing public events totally made sense last year because we were waiting for the approval distribution of safe + effective vaccines. So now everyone in the USA who wanted a vaccine + booster has one. Everyone who wants an N95 + hand sanitizer can purchase as much as they want. So what exactly would we be waiting for today? What metric or benchmark should determine whether it's safe for people to meet in person? Or is someone seriously advocating shutting down in-person events indefinitely?
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still going to massively overwhelm hospitals
Neat, but what percentage of current hospital utilization is due to vaccinated individuals? What percentage is due to fully-vaccinated + boosted patients suffering from omicron? Kick the horse-paste-eating morons to the curb (or just let their insurance providers free-market all over their assets) and watch the hospital "problem" magically resolve itself.
Setting up systems, rules, and restrictions simply doesn't work when there's a very large fraction of the population who are hell-bent on not following t
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Neat, but what percentage of current hospital utilization is due to vaccinated individuals? What percentage is due to fully-vaccinated + boosted patients suffering from omicron?
I can answer this for one hospital in North Carolina, got an update from my friend yesterday. They had 35 with COVID up from seven around 12/10. Currently 85% are unvaccinated, 15% are vaccinated and 0% are boosted.
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Re: Vaccinated risk (Score:2)
But the vaccines don't prevent it. At all. They at best make you asymptomatic if you do get infected. At worst, you have a greatly reduced set of symptoms to deal with.
The vaccines/inoculations are one piece in my opinion. Treatments are the other piece. But thinking the vaccine is still the silver bullet is fiction. The people pushing the vaccines have even admitted that.
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Yup... and what exactly is the proposed end-game here.
Same as with flu. Live with it day to day but don't act like a total fucking moron when a pandemic arrives.
Re: "In-person human interaction is important." (Score:3)
Not EVERY in-person human interaction is important.
Curated carefully controlled human interaction for specific, high value purposes is one thing. Mass gatherings are not that. They may be "fun" but there are ample substitute varieties of "fun" which are often more desirable, for example curated group interaction on the internet.
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Re:b0s0z0ku is a stupid cuck (Score:5, Informative)
No, the mRNA vaccines aren't going to cause cancer. Not now, not ever. However, unlike you, I'm guaranteed to not receive any permanent damage that a live SARS-CoV-2 infection can bring. You may get such damage even if your symptoms were very mild. So if anything, you're at a mild to moderate risk of COPD, where I'm not. I'd personally rather have cancer than COPD. We've gotten pretty good at dealing with even some very aggressive forms of cancer that only a decade ago were considered untreatable, the overall survival rates are very high now when people follow their treatment protocols.
But when it comes to COPD? Well, there's basically only one treatment option: Lung transplant. You think quarantining from COVID is bad? Wait til you live as a lung transplant recipient when we're not even in a pandemic. Lung transplant rejection rates are pretty high, and the typical life expectancy of a lung transplant recipient isn't very long. Lungs don't grow on trees though, so most people with COPD don't even get that, they have to spend the later days of their life in a wheel chair with an oxygen tank in tow. And as former COVID patients age, we may very well end up with an increase in demand for lung transplants, with an even lower supply of viable donor lungs.
Despite me having a kidney transplant, and my body having already gone through the stress of critically low renal function for over 6 years, and my permanent immunosuppressed state, there's a pretty good chance that I'll outlive you and have a better quality of life than you in the later years, COVID vaccine and all, if you are one of the ones that end up with COPD. Several former COVID patients already have ended up with COPD.
Re: b0s0z0ku is a stupid cuck (Score:3, Insightful)
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I've been under constant direct exposure to it for the last 4+ weeks. If I was ever going to get it, I would already have by now.
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but you still think that being vaccinated guarantees that you aren't going to be infected with COVID?
No, he didn't say he wouldn't be infected, he said:
However, unlike you, I'm guaranteed to not receive any permanent damage that a live SARS-CoV-2 infection can bring.
I don't know if that's true, but that's the claim, not that he wouldn't get it at all.
Re: b0s0z0ku is a stupid cuck (Score:4, Insightful)
No, not really. The virus has been known to kill even healthy people in their prime. Here I am, been directly exposed to it over the last 4+ weeks, no symptoms at all, and still testing negative. I'll be 40 in less than two months, and I have comorbidities, and on top of it all, I'm immunosuppressed. My brother didn't vaccinate at all, and he got really bad symptoms for weeks, and unlike me, his kidneys work.
Three mRNA shots seems to have done the trick in my case. The people living with me who tested positive (even yesterday testing positive, and have symptoms) have even made food for me on numerous occasions, and none of us mask, wear gloves, etc. What other possible reason would I not have it?
Yes, it's not a guarantee for everybody, but if it did this for me, then it pretty well fucking works. Everybody who doesn't have a medical reason not to should get the shot. Don't be a fucking moron.
Re: b0s0z0ku is a stupid cuck (Score:2)
Negative on all of that.
Re: b0s0z0ku is a stupid cuck (Score:4, Informative)
Re: b0s0z0ku is a stupid cuck (Score:2)
You know what else inhibits COVID in vitro? Firing a handgun into the Petri dish. Maybe give that therapy a shot.
Re: b0s0z0ku is a stupid cuck (Score:2)
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How to tell people that your radiology degree came from Trump University without actually telling them.
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Same here, although I work at home. I've no doubt that sooner or later I'll be exposed, and I'm hoping that my symptoms will be mild.
Why should CES be an exception? (Score:4, Informative)
Sporting events, movie theaters, concerts, etc are all going on as normal. Why should CES be any different? Msmash might not have gotten the memo, but most of the world has moved on. I live right outside of Seattle, and other than the fucking masks everything is completely normal (oh, except the snow, that's kind of new)
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Re:Why should CES be an exception? (Score:4, Informative)
Because it should set the modern example of using technology to avoid pollution and waste.
Absent pandemic the show would remain a polluting waste of energy.
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Why should CES be any different?
Probably because a senseless marketing even is pointless compared to events which are the primary income source for the people involved?
Msmash might not have gotten the memo, but most of the world has moved on.
Have they? I mean out pubs and restaurants are closed, our minor events require mandatory vaccinations + testing, and that's only because we're a nice enough coutnry to still host them. Try flying to Western Australia to host an event, I wish you good luck.
The world hasn't moved on. You're just living in bubble thinking it has.
Eh I dunno (Score:4, Insightful)
I've been all in on vaccines, masks, and quarantining since the beginning. But apparently since Thanksgiving I've been under constant and direct exposure to COVID because somebody I'm living with got it around that time, as well as two other people who are always coming over to my house. And...I didn't get it. Not one symptom, tests continue to be negative. Despite being immunosuppressed even due to a kidney transplant. Perhaps the third shot does the trick? Got mine all the way back when it was first authorized for transplant recipients, 4th shot coming soon. All of my relatives have gotten really bad symptoms from it (save for the ones that are fully vaccinated, who only got very mild symptoms when they tested positive, but none of them have had the third shot yet that I know of.)
For that reason I've made a personal decision that I'm done with quarantining. Two years of it is a long time, and I've just had enough. If other people want to do the same thing, let them make that decision for themselves. Just get an mRNA 3 shot vaccination at the minimum.
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In my county, the people who got hospitalized from covid while vaccinated are people who either have an immune system problem, or people who got vaccinated after being exposed to the virus (that is, their spouse caught covid, and so they went out to get the vaccine right after).
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That said, I think that cruise ships have shown there is still a issue with the spread of COVID. conferences like this might be an unnecessary vector. I understand that I understand this is an existential threat for some industries, but risks must be balanced. In par
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"For that reason I've made a personal decision that I'm done with quarantining."
But you aren't quarantining, and your justifications both ways are entirely selfish.
" If other people want to do the same thing, let them make that decision for themselves."
Again, entirely selfish. Quarantine is not just about you and the benefits you receive.
"Two years of it is a long time, and I've just had enough."
It hasn't been two years, and it's even less time for you since you haven't actually been quarantining, as evide
One thing you left out... (Score:4, Informative)
The risk is much, MUCH lower than it used to be. The Omicron variant is incredibly mild compared to the previous ones, and it also appears to confer the same level of immunity. It's crowding out Delta and the others all across the US. The infection rate is climbing, while the rates of serious illness and death are dropping like rocks.
You're calling for the cancellation of a major trade show, costing thousands of workers a significant amount of income each, for basically no reason.
I work in the trade show industry, and I just found out that one of my gigs in January cancelled, because fearmongers have scared the production company. Thanks for costing me money (a significant percent of my yearly income).
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Yeah... At this point, the Omicron COVID variant is already wide spread throughout most of the world. You're not really going to be slowing it's the spread by canceling CES, as the virus is already running rampant almost everywhere.
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I feel for everyone in the convention industry. These last two years sucked terribly.
The point isn't "is omicron more dangerous" than previous variants. It's a good thing omicron is less lethal. The reason for reducing spread is mutation. When more people are infected, it increases the mutation rate. From history we know that mother nature is great at coming up with new mutations. If we can take reasonable precautions to reduce the load on healthcare workers and mutation, we should carefully weigh the pros/
Re: One thing you left out... (Score:2)
There isn't really any evolutionary pressure to reduce the IFR any more than it already is.
Any reduction in virulence is probably just a lucky happenstance not an intrinsic law of nature.
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There probably isn't *much* pressure to reduce lethality at this point. (virulence is an umbrella term that also encompasses infectiousness, so there's never pressure to reduce that) It'll never quite fall to zero though, and there's still going to be plenty of pressure to reduce severity, which will probably reduce lethality as well.
Basically, fitness calculation for a disease is something like:
(how many people you will infect) = (how contagious are you) * (how long are you contagious) * (how good you fee
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Thanks for costing me money
So sorry to hear the pandemic has inconvenienced you.
don't go then (Score:2, Interesting)
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Let me quote that for you. If you don't see the difference between the two things, you're dumb.
Re: don't go then (Score:2)
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The best you can do is take the vaccine and massively reduce your risk of dying or passing it on.
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The best you can do is take the vaccine and massively reduce your risk of dying or passing it on.
Yeah, I already got both shots plus the booster just a couple weeks ago.
But that doesn't stop you from getting the virus or passing it on. My sister in law (also vaccinated) picked it up at work and gave it to her entire family (also vaccinated). That's a pretty common story.
My point remains that there really isn't much else to worry about at this point as we're going to eventually get the virus anyway.
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Don't like it? (Score:2)
Don't like it? Don't attend.
What is with this retardation?
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People just dont seem to understand personal responsibility. If you are afraid, dont go. Problem solved.
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Generally, people respond to social pressures and consequences. Don't go, may not be as optional as it is suggested.
Also, I'm fairly certain the host would change their tune if they accepted full liability for anyone getting ill there.
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People just dont seem to understand personal responsibility. If you are afraid, dont go. Problem solved.
Indeed no one seems to accept that if they act like a dumb shit then manage to infect someone as a result then they are personally responsible. It's like "the freedom to swing my fists ends at your nose" changed into "fuck you imma punch you in the face ass hole".
Just because you can't see the infectious agents you're spewing doesn't mean they don't exist. None of the "personal responsibility" crowd seem
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Go ahead. Try to eliminate human stupidity. I'd love to see how far you get. In the mean time, smart and careful people will be planning and preparing to deal with stupid people. This will mean not going to places that are risky, or by taking precautions. Everyone is responsible for themselves first. Stupidity free public spaces have yet to be invented and they likely never will be. Holding your breath or raging until people get smarter or more altruistic only hurts you and puts you in the category o
Unhinged? (Score:5, Interesting)
His reasons for going on with the show are rather trivial (making the big assumption that they're being described accurately), but the only thing here that seems remotely unhinged is the response. It's been two years since COVID-19 started, and the majority of that two million death toll (not sure where that number is coming from--should be either 5.5 million worldwide or about 1 million in the US) came before vaccines and before the Omicron variant, which by all accounts is a milder version of the disease despite crowding out the other variants. To anyone who isn't living in a bubble of fear, COVID is now very much a minor risk to anyone who is fully vaccinated. Time to come out of the bunker and rejoin the world, my friend.
Rob
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As someone who is a healthcare provider in a hospital system, I can say that the whole "overwhelmed hospitals" thing is largely overblown. There are some places that are having a hard time (more with staff levels [northjersey.com] and morale than with lack of beds, especially now that we've had nearly two years to adjust to COVID's demands) but for the most part, hospitals are being utilized about as much as we are every year during this season. Hell, two or three years ago I actually had a heavier workload (though this ce
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risk is low for those who are vaccinated (Score:2)
The reality check (Score:2)
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Vegas doesn't need a bunch of casinos designed around ripping people off either, but there they are.
Well, I can kind of understand his point of view (Score:2)
I mean, CES and other trade shows (as well as groups like the CTA, which run the shows) were increasingly seen as irrelevant by many people even prior to COVID-19. He's worried that another cancellation will put him in the unemployment line even faster than he feared.
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CES has been irrelevant since 2000.
Shows pollute, waste energy and spread disease (Score:2)
The only reason to want meat gatherings is to get drunk on the company dime.
Modern, efficient communications promised to make such drivel redundant but have not been sufficiently exploited. Meatbag gatherings may be "fun" but that is no reason to respect them. The enormous cost to ship and house humans and equipment is not merely financial. All the energy squandered and pollution generated by this and every other gathering which could be effectively virtualized is obscene even without spreading pandemic.
Mea
Regarding point #4 (Score:2)
Omicron IS a minor risk. Its effects are significantly less than the Delta or previous variants. For those vaccinated or previously infected, its effects [dallasnews.com] are roughly the same as the common cold. Stop watching CNN and cowering in fear. I'm pretty sure CES 2022 won't be nearly as packed as previous CES events, so don't worry about attending a "super spreader" event. You're probably at greater r
Not as unhinged as this post. (Score:5, Insightful)
Some people just love drama. If you don't want to go, don't go. It's as simple as that.
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That's fine. As long as we can mark any of the idiots at this event so that we can boot them out of the hospital if resources become constrained enough that other non-idiots can no longer get the care they want.
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Why stop there? Why not track everything everyone does so we can prioritize care based on who has done the least to end up in the hospital? It’s only fair.
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Because people normally engage in mass stupidity at a scale that prevents healthcare from being acessible to others. You want to go Wingsuiting, more power to you. Every wingsuiter in the world having an accident at once won't cause anyone's knee surgery to be delayed.
If a terrorists bombs a building and hurts themselves in the process they should drop to the bottom of the triage priority list for their attitude towards society.
You want COVID, sure take responsibility for your actions. When I'm done with my
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It is that simple. Unless you’re proposing locking up all the stupid people, or something to that effect, you simply have to accept that people are going to make decisions you don’t like that may have some effect on you. That’s the price of having the freedom to make your own choices. If these choices are not actual criminal acts, then trying to forbid them is obviously a huge and inappropriate infringement of other peoples protected rights and freedoms.
Symptomatic vs asymptomatic (Score:2)
Are there any good sources that are separating covid case counts into symptomatic vs asymptomatic?
There's a lot of mandatory testing going on. I'm not really worried about the number of covid cases where an asymptomatic person got a mandatory test and discovered to their complete surprise that they're positive. I'd be much more interested in the news of covid rates spiking if the source breaks out the number cases where someone got seriously ill and sought out a covid test to find out if the illness was cov
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Are there any good sources that are separating covid case counts into symptomatic vs asymptomatic?
Yes [jamanetwork.com]. If you had used a search engine, you would have found it without trouble.
I'm also not going to worry about spiking covid rates until I see a source that differentiates between the rate of symptomatic cases vs the rate of asymptomatic cases that get picked up in the dragnet.
And you're also not going to use a search engine. Turn on your brain.
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No, you misunderstood what I wrote. I'm not asking about research papers, I'm talking about articles like this one on Slashdot that we are discussing. The article contains the statement "despite the single-largest surge in COVID-19 cases ever recorded in the United States" but doesn't clarify whether those are symptomatic cases.
Actually, symptomatic vs asymptomatic isn't even the right metric. If someone catches what may or may not be a cold and goes to get tested, that positive still falls into the "I don'
Pussies. Wear a mask (Score:2)
If you don't want to get infected, wear a mask (or a double mask) and get boosted. If you don't care, do what you want.
Why is this hard to understand?
Re: Pussies. Wear a mask (Score:2)
Why is it so hard to understand? Well, probably for the same reason that people like you fail to understand who a mask protectsâ¦
Learn to differentiate (Score:5, Informative)
The "anonymous coward" that submitted this piece littered their submission by injecting their personal opinion into their quotes from the CES CEO, making it unnecessarily difficult to discern what the CEOs argument is.
As others have noted:
A) no one is forcing anyone to attend
B) we can't live in fear forever
C) the CEO mentions their safety protocols, yet the submitter never shares them
As I write this 15,000 people are standing in Times Square to watch gravity pull a big crystal ball to the ground, the reality is that a significant part of the population has "moved on" from COVID paranoia and has chosen to live their lives.
We went from two weeks to bend the curve to triple-vaccinated, socially-distanced, mask-wearing lemmings doing whatever "Science" or our elected political leaders arbitrarily decide we should do, to allow them "emergency powers to save lives" yet oddly, when their dictates don't save lives, they are not held responsible...
Live in fear, or not - it's your choice.
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A) no one is forcing anyone to attend
Yeah but we're also not marking the attendees for being stupid. Which we should. We need to identify the dumb people so we can let them die when hospitals are full and reducing the care available for people who actually put effort in.
B) we can't live in fear forever
Taking precautions such as not gathering for pointless industry circlejerking is not "fear".
C) the CEO mentions their safety protocols, yet the submitter never shares them
This is CES we're talking about. The "safety protocols" will be utterly pointless and used only as an excuse to further in a self defeating way increase capacity so they can pack people
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We need to identify the dumb people
Those would be the unvaccinated. At this point, the vaccinated are pretty well protected. Them going to CES this year is probably no more risky than it will be for them to go to CES 5 years from now, and also no more risky than driving around. COVID-19 is endemic and the vaccines are extremely effective. The continuing disaster is 99% unvaccinated people, if everyone were magically vacinnated, there wouldn't even be a news story to track anymore. Everyone that is willing to get vaccinated can get vaccina
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The reality is that a significant part of the population has "moved on" from COVID paranoia
What is it with the reality denial.
Sure you can make a risk assessment and choose to take more risk, but for heaven's sake it's not COVID "paranoia". It's a real disease which is really out there, really killing people. Acting people were "paranoid" is just denying objective reality. Though that does seem to be a hobby of a significant fraction of people these days.
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The measures have saved lives. People are still dying but far far fewer than would be dying otherwise. Vaccination alone shows that the unvaccinated represent 15X as much death despite being in the minority of population.
Though we could and should say the time has come to reap the benefits of those measures. Among the vaccinated, we have pretty well tamed it and while we can do some mitigation for those stubborn enough to refuse vaccination (e.g. masking at least slows things down and isn't some horrible b
You don't have to go to CES (Score:3)
If you risk tolerance is low, don't go. I'm sure there are enough people that want to go or CES would be cancelled
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That's fine as long as we can deny these people entry to the hospital if someone else comes in with a non-stupidity related need for medical care.
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Note that if you turned down hospital admittance for a fully vaccinated person attending CES, you probably should also turn down admittance for any motor vehicle accident, as the risks of both are in the same ball park. The unvaccinated on the other hand are taking on crazy amounts of risk compared to anything reasonable.
All I read was (Score:2)
"My money is more important than your life"
Facts? What are those? (Score:2)
This article presupposes a great deal of facts that are easily disputable, if not outright completely disproved. It's strange now to see the side of doom and fear of the virus to be the ones denying science when they always were the ones accusing others of this. I thing Joseph Goebbels had something to say about this strategy. "Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty."
To those who want examples, the article erroneously conflates the danger of the castrated Omicron variant as responsible for "2
The latest "highly transmissible" variant. (Score:2)
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Your information would be highly suspect if it weren't worse.
OTOH, if everyone is thoroughly vaccinated (including boosters if appropriate) it may, indeed, count as a "minor risk" for certain age groups. I don't believe the information is available to decide properly on that one.
There *is* significant evidence that the most recent version is both less deadly and less injurious than the prior versions. But less doesn't mean it's not deadly or injurious. I haven't seen any good studies of just how deadly/i
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If we ignore the unvaccinated, it's a very minor risk:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-da... [cdc.gov]
Correct that this might spread it, but I'm about out of rat's asses to give about dancing around the stubbornly unvaccinated in the US... Of course CES isn't exactly that exciting even before the pandemic shut it down.
Fear porn (Score:2)
Omicron has not killed 2 million. The people at the most serious risk know who they are and can stay away.
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And more to the point, are required to stay away (they require vaccination to attend, and being vaccinated brings down the risk to safer than driving currently).
CES less and less successful (Score:2)
Frankly, CES would have served themselves better by canceling. On the best of years leading up to the pandemic, some big companies had already bowed out of it. Putting on a show where even more of the big names are not going to show up is going to provide an event that looks sad and reinforces the view that CES is losing relevancy.
That said:
1) He views bad press as the issue because, frankly, it is the issue in this case. The press got into a justified mode of covid is disastrous, and are stuck that way eve
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...it's over because people aren't dying by the thousands daily? Or because children aren't being mass-infected?
How about it's not over because so many people are getting "it's-just-a-cold" that airlines are cancelling hundreds of flights every day?
I don't think 20% of the workforce being too sick to work, counts as "it's over".
And I'm never talking about the past. I don't care what you gave up last year, that you've already taken back. That's the very point. What are you still without? What, do you wa
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We already gave up a bunch of shit
I'm pretty sure the PP means 'without bitching and whining about it like a spoiled child'. We never really "gave up a bunch of shit". We were certainly told we needed to, and were dragged kicking and screaming into actually cooperating with a little of it, but for the most part large swaths of the population of the developed world went out of their way to not go along with *actually* giving up most of that "bunch of shit". In the US, anyway, an uncomfortably large portion of the country's leadership, righ
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We already gave up a bunch of shit
I'm pretty sure the PP means 'without bitching and whining about it like a spoiled child'. We never really "gave up a bunch of shit".
I guess you haven't been around for the past couple of years? Perhaps you enjoyed all the pointless restrictions that didn't accomplish anything?
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I don't know what dumbfucks modded you up, but fuck you all.
Around here our hospitals are full of COVID patients. They are turning away non-COVID patients for lack of beds. In the medical system, it still is spring 2020.
I am vaccinated and boosted and have been a pretty consistent mask wearer, but that doesn't change the fact that if I need to go to the hospital for any other reason, I might be fucked. And that goes for everyone in my entire damn state. Hell, geographic region.
Until cases go down enough to
You're unhinged. (Score:2)
It's not Covid19 or the unvaxxed. This is the fault of your medical system, period. If they can't serve the sick people who come in, and they've had years to prepare, this is inexcusable. I would feel safe betting a sizable amount of money that your healthcare system has chronic problems and dysfunctional management. When the majority of sick people wind up being already vaccinated (which is coming), who will you swear at?
Save your anger for your government and it's bureaucrats. Hospitals exist to care
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There is no shortage of people proudly willing to demonstrate their ignorance, as evidenced by your post.
How many millions of ER beds is a reasonable number for "functional management" of our "healthcare system"? How many healthcare workers would be needs to care for the patients in those beds? Why wouldn't a "functional management" include taking necessary steps to limit demand on those beds?
"Save your anger for your government and it's bureaucrats."
Fortunately, these buffoons are out of office.
"Hospitals