Tesla Removes 2022 Production Date From Cybertruck Website (theverge.com) 155
X2b5Ysb8 shares a report from The Verge: Tesla has never been fantastic at meeting deadlines, so it's not too surprising that the company's ambitious electric pickup -- the Cybertruck -- is running a little late. Recently, reference to a 2022 production schedule was scrubbed from its website. The Cybertruck was originally announced in 2019, with Tesla promising that the vehicle would be rolling off production lines in late 2021. Then, in August that year, full production was delayed to some time in 2022. Now, that deadline seems to have been waived, too.
Lots of factors could contribute to a delay. These include external challenges, like the ongoing pandemic and global chip shortage (which has affected all automakers), as well as Cybertruck-specific problems. The vehicle's angular look is controversial, attracting awe and scorn in equal measure, but it certainly comes with unique design challenges, like the problem of creating a huge windshield wiper to cover the mammoth front window. Ramping up production on the Cybertruck might also be a relatively low priority for Tesla considering its other vehicles have had fantastic years. [...] We should know more about the vehicle's future soon, though. Tesla CEO Elon Musk promised to share a "Product roadmap update" for the Cybertruck on the next Tesla earnings call. That's scheduled for January 26th. Not long to wait.
Lots of factors could contribute to a delay. These include external challenges, like the ongoing pandemic and global chip shortage (which has affected all automakers), as well as Cybertruck-specific problems. The vehicle's angular look is controversial, attracting awe and scorn in equal measure, but it certainly comes with unique design challenges, like the problem of creating a huge windshield wiper to cover the mammoth front window. Ramping up production on the Cybertruck might also be a relatively low priority for Tesla considering its other vehicles have had fantastic years. [...] We should know more about the vehicle's future soon, though. Tesla CEO Elon Musk promised to share a "Product roadmap update" for the Cybertruck on the next Tesla earnings call. That's scheduled for January 26th. Not long to wait.
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I never would have guessed that Ford would beat Tesla in electric trucks, but here we are.
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I suspected from the beginning that people presuming Tesla would just roll on in and supersede traditional auto companies really underestimated traditional automakers.
It's no surprise to me that once a traditional car company achieved familiarity with electric drivetrains that they would be able to outclass a newcomer when it becomes more traditional automotive development. They are accustomed to developing a variety of models sharing a lot of strategies despite working around limitations of ICE drivetrain
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So Tesla's actual, current output is about equal to what Ford hopes to be doing in about 2029.
https://electrek.co/2021/11/29... [electrek.co]
Tesla has evidently sidelined the Roadster and Cybertruck to focus on ramping up production of sedans, which are made
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One, I was thinking about developing models/variants, where Ford has over 4 times as many variants/models as Tesla fields, meaning they have a lot of existing designs and experience making those designs. Meaning it was far easier once Ford designed some electric vehicle to pivot to a pickup design than Tesla.
The other fact is on manufacturing, you have to focus on EV to make ford look to lag, and ignore the traditional manufacturing. Effectively Ford has a great deal more manufacturing capacity than Tesla,
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Granted I would be more worried for Ford if the Cybertruck were more like the Rivian
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Which is also why Tesla's stock price and current market valuation is completely bonkers. It won't take much for "classic" auto makers to roll them over in production volume.
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I expect Tesla is here to stay. They are probably going to be the high tech car for a while. The other auto makers are going to find a niche with people who just want a lower tech, point A to point B type of car/truck.
Tesla has been on (or near) top in terms of Battery Range, Available Tech, Charging Infrastructure, and Self Driving. But just like how not all people get Mercedes, but may get a Toyota even if they could afford the Mercedes, just have different priorities in life. The same when EV cars
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None of the models they brought out in 2019 came close to touching Tesla. Jaguar I-Pace or E-Pace or whatever, Audi E-tron or something, VW ID3 or 4 or whatever, Porsche Tay-Can none of them are significantly better, none could beat Tesla in all objective cri
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None of the models they brought out in 2019 came close to touching Tesla. Jaguar I-Pace or E-Pace or whatever, Audi E-tron or something, VW ID3 or 4 or whatever, Porsche Tay-Can none of them are significantly better, none could beat Tesla in all objective criteria, like speed, acceleration and range.
What an absurd, clownish take.
Tesla also isn't better in every category mentioned than the other cars mentioned. Why would those cars have to be better in all categories just to compete? And if they can compete, then their experience in running factories and supply chains give them a big advantage. Tesla can come up with cool nicknames for their factories, since they have fanbois, but their factories are tiny compared to traditional automakers.
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Really? I am not at all surprised, particularly from the moment the cybertruck was unveiled. Ford has been making trucks for nearly 100 years, and sells the most trucks of any manufacturer. They are larger vehicles and quite easy to electrify. Tesla certainly had a role to play in spurring the advancement and development of batteries and related technologies, but they certainly don't have a monopoly in that area. The incumbents really weren't that far behind.
I'm not sure if Tesla's failure in this area
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It's a classic overengineering for the wrong use case scenario. tesla is trying to build something to drive around on mars.
ford is making something to drive here on earth
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So you are moderating peoples based on if you agree or disagree with their assessment. Vs the content of the argument.
Normally when moderating I go to the stories that I don't have much of an opinion on, because if I read a post and go Right On Brother or Read a post that I get angry about. I avoid moderating them, because my personal feelings on the topic, shouldn't affect the moderation.
Now this post in question I find to a tiresome years old arguments not based on facts or real world experience, but just
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Personally I don't know why anyone would buy a truck of any kind unless they had an actual utilitarian reason for doing so
I bought one because I have real uses for a truck but here's some reasons why someone might want to even if they don't need one. First, you get more content for less money. Second, you have a high seating position. Third, massive crumple zone behind you for rear impacts.
It just makes for a big, stupid, awkward, hard-to-park car with more blind spots and more potential for rollovers and other kinds of accident.
All that's true, but if you drive sensibly then a truck is pretty safe as modern ones are good in a vehicle to vehicle collision.
With all that said I think most people who buy trucks would be better off with a minivan. It would have better r
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With all that said I think most people who buy trucks would be better off with a minivan. It would have better ride and handling, get better MPG, have more interior space, probably even more content, and often a very good and high seating position.
Yeah. I measured a friends minivan with the seats removed and it had space comparable to the bed of the family tacoma. Not only that, but the "bed" is lower down, more secure when you're parked somewhere with stuff in it, and with both side doors open you've got nearly as much access as with a normal pickup.
Only downside is that minivans (even used ones) are ridiculously expensive compared to trucks (at least trucks of the sensible variety rather than the "make a statement" kind)
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I paid ~ $4k for a used minivan with a 3.3L V6 in 2012 and I've only spent about $2k in maintenance since then.
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With all that said I think most people who buy trucks would be better off with a minivan.
Not only does my minivan drive great, but I've hauled lots of lumber, firewood, etc. in it. Works great!
The only reason I can see for wanting a truck instead of a van would be if I needed to haul dirt or gravel and needed to be able to have it dumped in from a backhoe.
The few times I had lumber that was a little too long I just strapped it down and left the tail open, with a flag on it. Though I could have just strapped it to the roof rack, too.
Unfortunately, Macho Cheese Disease is rampant, so a lot of peo
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I think it having the utility when you need it. So that 2 days of the year when you need to carry some big stuff. However, the big thing is Trucks have big tires, and some have air suspension, so you get a luxury car ride from something you can also use for utility.
Then there is the fact that you have a higher sitting area so you can see more of the road, plus when it snows and what not you have ground clearance to muddle threw.
We also have the stereotypical man who feels inferior wanting a big truck to f
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Well, if you're like me and you need a truck a couple times a year, then you go to home depot or uhaul and rent one. You get the benefit of a proper long bed truck with a single cab instead a compromised short bed so it can fit your passengers, and not having to drive a gas guzzler the rest of the year. Usually costs about $40-45 for me all in, depending how far I'm going.
Obviously the calculus changes as you need a truck more and more frequently. But for me, I can rent quite a few times for the extra $1200
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You just have to sign his no money down agreement!
A few of them are doing zero money down at 0% interest, which, at the rate inflation is right now, is essentially paying you to buy the thing.
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F-150 sales may do well initially, before the cybertrucks arrive, but the superior price-performance of cybertruck will be hard to beat, once people start understanding the implications.
Tesla's technology lead on the EV platform is only likely yo increase over the next few years, so the comparisons will probably be eve
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The Chevy Silverado EV is coming in at 400. Unlike the Tesla truck, it's a real thing, too! Expensive, though.
OTOH, it looks like a truck, not like a DeLorean that mated with an El Camino.
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Ohh it is different so it has to be bad.
The big design feature that I like about it is the Stainless Steal body, as Rust, Dents and chips makes a good vehicle seem old. It is also competing with the F150, not the F250+ So a 5th wheel is not commonly put on a F150, but are on the 250+
Do we really have standard campers? One that will work on an F150, may not fit on a Chevy Avalanche or a Honda Ridge line. Even with F150's you have different bed lengths so a camper will fit on only some F150s while it will be
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I'm in favor of new things, although a stainless body is not a good thing since it's even harder to repair gracefully than aluminum, which the auto body industry has generally come to terms with. Not every shop will work on it, but you can find shops that will easily enough.
We really do have standard campers, and have for years. Short and long bed campers have been standard since at least the seventies. The fit doesn't have to be perfect, after all, it just has to fit within the average truck bed. But when
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"You deserve to be modded down for the hand-waving reactionary stuff you posted."
Looks like the consensus is that you deserve it more.
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You deserve to be modded down for the hand-waving reactionary stuff you posted.
Oh look, another Musky fanboy here to tell us why they have abandoned reasons and fairness and simply lash out at anything that attacks their cult of personality.
Well, he had to delay the truck rollout in order to meet the deadline of the Dragon landing on Mars in 2016.
Seriously, I don't know if the Muskie cult will go Jonestown on us, or if Elon will become the 21st century Howard Hughes.
I think he started out as a normal person, but his minuions have turned him into God almighty. That seldom ends up well for either party
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What's irritating about it to me is that I like a lot of what he is doing. But then, I also don't like things he's doing, and if I dare to say so then the cultists crawl out from under their various appliances (can't be rocks, those don't plug in) to waste their mod points trying to drain my karma.
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What's irritating about it to me is that I like a lot of what he is doing. But then, I also don't like things he's doing, and if I dare to say so then the cultists crawl out from under their various appliances (can't be rocks, those don't plug in) to waste their mod points trying to drain my karma.
Exactly. And this is a dangerous thing they do. The cultists take it so personally if you dare to question any of his decisions.
Falcon 9 is a very good rocket. Crew Dragon takes the cramped and incredibly busy Apollo environment and makes it a lot more user friendly.
I do like most of the Tesla vehicles, I'd even buy the truck if it has a few changes.
But the boring business - It isn't going to work. BTW, I was wondering why LasVegas was chosen. Yeah, sin city seems like a prominent place, but the geolog
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I don't see this as Ford beating Tesla; Tesla's mission is
to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy
Sorry sycophant - His mission is to make money. If he wanted to accelerate the world's transition - how about putting say - 100 billion of his 318 billion net worth toward it. How about giving away 1 billion worth of his electric cars? That would be pedal to the floorboard accelerating the transition.
The church of Musk is a personality cult, plain and simple. In his worshippers eyes, he is incapable of doing wrong, and his failures are just eaten for breakfast.
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If his mission would be to make money, he'd have long since partially cashed out and diversified his investments. Sorry old boy, but his actions simply do not match your suggestion. At all.
Because he doesn't have 318 billion, or 100 billion. He doesn't even have a billion. He has Tesla stock, SpaceX stock etc and the "mags for idiots" that publish the amounts people are worth publish their assessments of value of their wealth at certain point in time. In case of Elon, all of his money is in his own companie
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If his mission would be to make money, he'd have long since partially cashed out and diversified his investments.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/1... [cnbc.com]
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It's genuinely sad that people post an article to a typical clickbait, and think that this is evidence to debunk something that should they explore where money went would prove the statement.
Read the article carefully. It actually does hint where money went.
Hint: he covered taxes so he could exercise more stock options. Since you posted that article, as evidence to something that is contrary to my claim above, you probably don't know what that means.
What that means is that he got more stock in his own compa
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It's genuinely sad that people post an article to a typical clickbait, and think that this is evidence to debunk something that should they explore where money went would prove the statement.
Read the article carefully. It actually does hint where money went.
Hint: he covered taxes so he could exercise more stock options. Since you posted that article, as evidence to something that is contrary to my claim above, you probably don't know what that means.
What that means is that he got more stock in his own companies. I.e. he sold some stock to cover taxes to get even more stock in the same company.
Well, people are going to attack religious leaders. Look what they did to Jesus! Keep the faith - Musk will never let you down, and remember the naysayers shall roast in Spacex hell. Can I get an amen?
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Musk will always let you down. It's just that he also reminds you that after n+1st failure, where n is a large number, you can get back up and keep on trying. Because n+x time, someone in the group of people trying will finally succeed, and be that guy who discovers epidemiology.
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Oh honey, that was the first time. By the end of 2021 he sold about ~10% of his stake in Tesla.
What that means is that he got more stock in his own companies. I.e. he sold some stock to cover taxes to get even more stock in the same company.
...AND a shitload of cash in the process. He also did this just before Tesla announced it failed to meet their Q4 production estimates.
You can't have it both ways, sorry.
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Yes, IRS takes a shitload of cash. He also needs to have a good living for himself and his family.
Now can you stay on topic and point to Elon actually investing outside his companies in any significant numbers, rather than complain that he's not homeless?
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If his mission would be to make money, he'd have long since partially cashed out and diversified his investments. Sorry old boy, but his actions simply do not match your suggestion. At all.
You do not understand that at some level, there is no "enough money". You figure Jeff Bezos is on some altruistic mission and might even be embarassed by his wealth?
Because he doesn't have 318 billion, or 100 billion. He doesn't even have a billion. He has Tesla stock, SpaceX stock etc and the "mags for idiots" that publish the amounts people are worth publish their assessments of value of their wealth at certain point in time.
That sounds like I am materially more wealthy than Musk, because I can put my hands on a fair sum of liquid money in a few hours.. I don't live like him, I don't have companies like Spacex or Tesla or Boring. I don't jet around the country. Seems he can put his hands on money as well.
In case of Elon, all of his money is in his own companies. He isn't diversifying which would be consistent with making money. He's instead keeping his money where his mouth is over close to a decade now.
And? Give him a prize? Do you have his entire investment por
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The fun part that most people, apparently including yourself don't understand is that in terms of immediate owned liquidity, a lot of upper class people are far richer than billionnaires. So yes, the claim you make above in jest is actually true. You probably are richer than Musk or Bezos in terms of immediate liquid assets you own at most given moments.
That doesn't make you more wealthy than them, because overwhelming majority of wealth isn't liquid, and not easy to turn into liquid assets. That is why tho
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Musk is producing (and selling) every EV he can roll out of the factory, he simply can not produce more cars at the moment.
Perhaps his flamboyant marketing stunts are intended to boost the share price & fund corporate expansion?
Demand for his EVs far exceeds production capacity, he'd build more if he could.
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Musk is producing (and selling) every EV he can roll out of the factory, he simply can not produce more cars at the moment.
Perhaps his flamboyant marketing stunts are intended to boost the share price & fund corporate expansion?
Demand for his EVs far exceeds production capacity, he'd build more if he could.
That's great! I like the Tesla vehicles. I'd even buy one of his trucks, except it looks like something someone in third grade designed. My problem that I have to state seemingly every post is that I don't have a problem with Tesla. I have a problem with those who worship him.
And please don't accuse me of hating Musk because I don't like the way the truck looks.
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followed by "it is so very very hard to meet deadlines".
I feel so sorry for poor Tesla and all the warm wishes towards becoming more "fantastic at meeting deadlines".
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They're self-imposed goals anyways, which is not what a deadline is.
Then they should be stated as such, with no ambiguity.
I wonder if some of the delay might be related to that stainless steel skin. That stuff can be a real pig's bastard to work with. Also, I hope it isn't like the old Delorean. We had a local lawyer who had one, and it was covered with is children's handprints. Anyone who works in a kitchen with SS can tell you it is a cleaning headache.
Another possible issue is that many modern vehicles have crumple zones. It might be a little difficult to engineer
Safety issues? (Score:5, Insightful)
I wonder if they have run into safety issues with that design. In Europe cars have to be designed so that they reduce injuries to pedestrians and cyclists in the event of a crash. If the US has similar laws then that angular front and rigid body panels will be a problem.
The most life threatening injury to pedestrians is head trauma. When a vehicle hits a person, they usually start to rotate with their legs going away from the car and their head slamming into the bonnet (hood). Therefore the bonnet has to be flexible to cushion the blow, with a certain amount of space between it and the top of the engine block so that it can deform. Alternatively, some cars have explosive bolts that push the bonnet up when a front end collision is detected.
The Cybertruck has a pointy edge at the front, which would be banned in Europe. Pointy bits and things like bull bars are not allowed. That part of the truck would have to be deformable too. In fact, they would have to make it deformable to pass vehicle-to-vehicle crash safety tests I think, as that's the only way to reduce the forces experienced by the passengers. I don't think they test for injuries to the occupants of the vehicle that the truck hits.
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In Europe cars have to be designed so that they reduce injuries to pedestrians
In America, there are no pedestrians.
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LA isn't the only city, though.
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Some Volvo cars (I think) have integral airbag for the protection of the pedestrians (so their head will hit a surface softer than a windscreen or bonnet).
Also, the "deformable front" is necessary in case of collisions with other objects that do not deform (concrete barriers, bridge heads, poles, other Cybertrucks).
The "pointy things" greatly increase the chance of a fracture, so they're frowned upon.
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Audi, Nissan and others have (on some vehicles) a hood that pops up at impact [dot.gov] to create a bigger space between the hood and the engine so that a pedestrian getting slammed against the hood has some crumple zone to work with. This is a decent sort of midway point between those two concepts that doesn't require any styling changes. It can be deployed by pyrotechnics, or just springs.
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It could be. But the US doesn't generally have those laws. However, you can bet the most important part of car ownership does - insurance companies. And they're probably paying attention to what risks a Cybertruck will do to their liability coverage.
Plus, I'm sure, Tesla is probably looking closely because their insurance will be heavily pressuring them on the same issue - a few accidents resulting from the design can easily reflect more on Tesla as being a responsible party to go after for damages as well. After all, if a pedestrian's injuries are exacerbated by the design of the vehicle, then you can bet Tesla will be a far bigger target for lawsuits under the principle of going after the parties with money.
I suspect there probably are far more regulatory issues as well, including what happens if it runs into a car - there is a thing call submarining where a truck or SUV can run over another vehicle in an accident. It's what creates the boxy look to many larger vehicles because they want to lower the risk of this happening.
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It could be. But the US doesn't generally have those laws.
Yes, it does. [hotcars.com]
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Oh yeah and, double replying may be in poor taste, but this is just BS:
there is a thing call submarining where a truck or SUV can run over another vehicle in an accident. It's what creates the boxy look to many larger vehicles because they want to lower the risk of this happening.
Absolutely not. Making a vehicle lower is what fixes that. So they move the bumper down, decreasing clearance. Then anyone who wants to go off-road has to swap to an aftermarket bumper which isn't designed to crumple on impact. The boxy look is attributable to two things. One, the laws the US absolutely does have about pedestrian collision safety. This means making more space between the hood and what's under it, among other things, but
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Oh yeah and, double replying may be in poor taste, but this is just BS:
there is a thing call submarining where a truck or SUV can run over another vehicle in an accident. It's what creates the boxy look to many larger vehicles because they want to lower the risk of this happening.
Absolutely not. Making a vehicle lower is what fixes that. So they move the bumper down, decreasing clearance.
Just as a note: The Ford Excursion was the poster child for running over other vehicles and other vehicles running under it. The cure was a "blocker beam" and to make the trailer hitch standard equipment.
Well, to amend that - the real cure was to get that ugly pigthing out of production. But the Excursion wasn't isn't the only vehicle needing blocker beams.
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It could be. But the US doesn't generally have those laws.
Wait - what? The USA has either the most comprehensive or most restrictive laws on safety (depending on your outlook) A lot of cars produced in other countries cannot be imported into the USA for safety reasons. https://blog.dupontregistry.co... [dupontregistry.com] https://www.motorbiscuit.com/i... [motorbiscuit.com]
I suspect there probably are far more regulatory issues as well, including what happens if it runs into a car - there is a thing call submarining where a truck or SUV can run over another vehicle in an accident. It's what creates the boxy look to many larger vehicles because they want to lower the risk of this happening.
The Boxy look is part of their Pickup truck heritage. The Ford Excursion, the behemoth SUV was really prone to this problem you cite. In head on collision tests, it's front tire ended up crushing the drivers side windshield, an
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Wait - what? The USA has either the most comprehensive or most restrictive laws on safety
You're just an idiot.
I hear this nonsense all the time from Republicans. They think there are "too many laws" because they have irrational beliefs about the existence of lots of laws.
If I ask them, "Well, what sort of rules would be reasonable? Surely there have to be some rules?" What they describe is usually more rules than we have now. Often what they say is so broad that if you actually implemented it, it would be comprehensive!
The average Republican thinks that if you make a consumer electronic item, t
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Wait - what? The USA has either the most comprehensive or most restrictive laws on safety
You're just an idiot.
Now go back and re-read what I wrote. I made an either/or statement.
Comprehensive being a positive outlook on them, restrictive being a negative outlook. No personal outlook can be gleaned from my statement, just noting that we have do safety laws.
If you need to have a statement that indicates my own personal thoughts, I'm supportive of auto safety measures. I've done seat belts in every car I've driven - well before seatbelt laws, and if you don't want to wear one in my car, you have to get out, I'd
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And I didn't notice before but I want it now just for the inbuilt tailgate ramp
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The Cybertruck has a pointy edge at the front, which would be banned in Europe.
Yes that may be the case, but then again, how much market there is in Europe for a pick-up truck? I remember my last trip in Europe and wasn't able to spot even a single one during my stay.
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Musk said they might make a smaller version for Europe. The model shown is way too large, it won't fit in standard parking spaces and navigating around cities will be difficult.
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The Cybertruck has a pointy edge at the front, which would be banned in Europe.
Yes that may be the case, but then again, how much market there is in Europe for a pick-up truck? I remember my last trip in Europe and wasn't able to spot even a single one during my stay.
Speaking of pickup trucks in Europe, the Ford Ranger European version is exactly what I want for a pickup. It's small and just the right size for the person who has the occasional need for one.
But Ford apparently thought that all Americans want is the massive penis compensation vehicles.
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I wonder if they have run into safety issues with that design. In Europe cars have to be designed so that they reduce injuries to pedestrians and cyclists in the event of a crash. If the US has similar laws then that angular front and rigid body panels will be a problem.
The most life threatening injury to pedestrians is head trauma. When a vehicle hits a person, they usually start to rotate with their legs going away from the car and their head slamming into the bonnet (hood).
Yup - here in the states there are a number of cars that can't be imported. IIRC, we have the strictest safety standards around.
RE the reducing trauma issue, a few years back there was a design for a special material to be sprayed on car bodies that would cause a pedestrian to be stuck on the hood like flypaper. It didn't fly for a number of reasons, and might have just caused other injuries as well as mental trauma to people in the car.
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It's so silly to see internet commentators that obviously know nothing about pedestrians safety saying things like "you can't have anything in a car looking pointy." I'm sure your 5 minutes watching anti-tesla videos has made you more qualified than the actual safety engineers at Tesla who have spend thousands of hours working on this thing.
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Tesla definitely doesn't have a track record with new cars of lying about the price, nickel and diming people into buying something *much* more expensive, or delivering something that is shoddy and riddled with bugs & defects because their QC & manufacturing at launch is a total mess.
Don't forget vehicle lock in. People like to rail against Apple but the only place you can service a Tesla is at a Tesla dealership. Go anywhere else and your warranty is void.
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People like to rail against Apple but the only place you can service a Tesla is at a Tesla dealership. Go anywhere else and your warranty is void.
This is clearly illegal in the USA and lawsuits are proceeding against Tesla for this practice (which falls afoul of the Magnusson-Moss warranty act.) Sadly, the gears of justice grind slowly.
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People like to rail against Apple but the only place you can service a Tesla is at a Tesla dealership.
To be fair to Tesla I've never once seen a car workshop kitted out to perform a canned motor rewind or anything else required to service an EV. Your problem isn't a Tesla based problem. It was a Tesla solution to a technological problem. Drive any EV into any workshop and about the only thing they'll do for you is change your tires.
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People like you were never going to buy an EV regardless of what ever anyone says. If you don't find excuses in what other people say you'll make up your own. Your own post history is full of falsehoods and excuses for why you don't buy an EV, even though as time progresses those "reasons" have been addressed.
Maybe in 10 years the world will be full of workshops that service EVs. I'm sure you'll have a different excuse then.
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Nobody rewinds a motor, you just replace it. The labor is more expensive than the parts, and rewinding is a lot more labor than building a new one in a factor. Why would you be rewinding a motor? Why would the windings short? Why would the windings short so often you'd put factory rewinding equipment in every dealership? Wouldn't it be cheaper to just use the correct amount of insulation in the first place, or to use motor controllers that don't over-current the motor?
Or are you just making shit up? (again)
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Nobody rewinds a motor, you just replace it.
You should tell that to the 2 dedicated motor rewind facilities in my city. They will be shocked. Here they have been making money rewinding motors profitably for over 70 years without realising that no one does the thing they do... The smallest motor I've personally sent for a rewind is significantly smaller than that in a Tesla.
Wouldn't it be cheaper to just use the correct amount of insulation in the first place, or to use motor controllers that don't over-current the motor?
Congratulations on demonstrating your ignorance of motor construction and reliability. If you ever want to escape the situation you're in I recommend Motor Electrical Predictive Ma
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Hey, don't forget paying $12k in advance to enable FSD. Which doesn't work. And has no delivery deadline. And is for a car you already own.
Fake It till you make it (Score:3)
Come on nerds... (Score:3)
Oh good, another Tesla article so everyone in the comments can argue based on left and right ideology bullshit. Just what we need on a nerd news site.
Don't we have more important arguments to have, such as vi versus emacs?
Here, I'll get you started; only a maniac would pick emacs over vi. Discuss...
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Here, I'll get you started; only a maniac would pick emacs over vi. Discuss...
The only thing worth discussing here is if emacs or vi run on a Tesla. Please take your off topic bullshit to a pub and cry at the bartender like a normal person.
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don't forget the obvious factor (Score:2)
"Lots of factors could contribute to a delay. These include external challenges, like the ongoing pandemic and global chip shortage (which has affected all automakers), as well as Cybertruck-specific problems."
But the factor mostly likely contributing is that Elon Musk is a pathological liar. There has never been any reason to believe the CT would ship on any schedule, or even that it will ship at all. This is who Musk is.
"Not having a product" also contributes to delays (Score:2)
Seriously, how many vaporware products has Musk announced so far?
The best one was the Tesla Robot, complete with a slideshow presentation and a guy in a robot suit dancing around.
It's the batteries, IMO ..... (Score:2)
People are pointing fingers at all sorts of random stuff here, but the consistent issue I keep hearing is holding manufacturers back on EV releases is battery pack availability.
Tesla is more fortunate than most because they invested in their own battery manufacturing plants. But even so? The growing demand is for increased range between recharging and always "more power!". That means they have to use 2 battery packs for every "plaid" edition Model S they sell now. Same for the new Tesla Roadster which they
"Insert Magic Here" (Score:2)
> The vehicle's angular look is controversial, attracting awe and scorn in equal measure,
I find it nostalgic, like a combo of 80's 3D rendering and a DeLorean.
> but it certainly comes with unique design challenges, like the problem of creating a huge windshield wiper to cover the mammoth front window.
Musk looks at an artist's sketch, and says, "Love it! Let's do it!". Artist takes sketch to engineers and says, "Here's what Boss approved, make it work." Engineers mull it over and start saying "uhhh" an
Just what we need (Score:2)
Another vehicle that looks agressive and militant. We already have the H2 hummer and other vehicles that cater to a certain segment of the population, who also happens to be fans of a certain politician who's name rhymes with sump.
Do we need to keep pandering to those people?
Musk/Tesla deadlines (Score:2)
I'll post it again:
https://slashdot.org/comments.... [slashdot.org]
You're an idiot to believe any deadline Musk tells you.
Forget the Cybertruck, the semi is more important. (Score:2)
Why isn't Tesla putting more effort into getting the Tesla Semi onto the market? Clearly an electric big-rig is something there is a market for so why haven't we seen Tesla do anything more with it?
IIRC there isn't anything in the Tesla Semi that is somehow special or hasn't been done before. The shape is nothing new when you look at other trucks on the road and the batteries are what's in the cars only more of them.
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Why isn't Tesla putting more effort into getting the Tesla Semi onto the market? Clearly an electric big-rig is something there is a market for so why haven't we seen Tesla do anything more with it?
You mean these Tesla Semis [driveteslacanada.ca] which PepsiCo will be taking delivery of at the end of the month? Tesla will be delivering 15 of them.
They've been building the Megachargers at PepsiCo's Frito-Lay facility in California since December. It includes a monster on-site battery bank to prevent browning out the local grid while the trucks charge.
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I wasn't aware they were actually shipping to the first customer. Still, IMO they need to start making them as fast as the production lines (and supply lines) allow and get more on the road.
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Thunderfoot roasts Jixuan and Sebastian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
In the way only he can, which might be thought of as the 20 grit sandpaper approach to Jixuan and Sebastian's attempt to defend ol Muskie's pipe dreams.
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This is kind of a cyclical thing. People tend to forget that people were originally saying these same things about the projects his companies are now delivering. It wasn't so long ago people were saying a private company couldn't launch payloads into orbit, or that mass market EVs were not possible. More recently, people were saying booster recovery and reuse could not be economical. And it was only a couple years ago that the mods at r/spaceX basically banned discussion of Starlink because they were convin
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It already has.
Rivian and others have already release the products Tesla owners wanted.
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Ah. Diversion.
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No, there are shortages of all kinds of chips, not just older-process chips which are tried and true and known to hold up to the abusive automotive environment. Tesla has actually modified some of their designs to use different chips because the ones they wanted were unavailable. They are more willing to break things, so they can move faster...
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Isn't the issue that modern cars use "legacy" chips? Teslas do not use legacy technology.
I use a lot of technology that uses modern non-legacy electronics. That's because you do that if you want to be on the bleeding edge.
There is a real cost though. Legacy components are legacy because they have stood the test of time. Lots of my stuff has unobtanium replacement parts, so it's part of the lifecycle that something breaks - it can't be fixed. Just had three devices that 2 are scrapped, one was repaired but took a nationwide search to find a replacement board from another scrapped device. Life
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Too heavy? Rivian R1T is already out and proves that an EV pickup can be performant on and off road. GM Hummer EV and Ford F-150 Lightning EV are both imminent and demonstrated to be viable, again, both on and off road. There are plenty of problems with cybertruck, but mass ain't one of them.
One plausible explanation for the delay is that they've decided to make it not so special looking so as to make it a better pickup truck, that can handle the jobs that normally-shaped pickups can handle. The front is fi
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The Texas gigafactory is an incredibly gigantic building, I have driven past it many times and the scale of it is mind-boggling. Surprising that it has gone up so quickly in these times of supply shortages, and I bet the cost shot way up over the past year. My guess is that this plus the Covid epidemic has slowed things down.