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Google Mandates Workers Back To Silicon Valley, Other Offices From April 4 (reuters.com) 217

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: Alphabet's Google from April 4 will require employees back about three days a week in some of its U.S., U.K. and Asia Pacific offices, its first step to end policies that allowed remote work because of COVID-19 concerns. An internal email on Wednesday seen by Reuters told employees in the San Francisco Bay Area that "advances in prevention and treatment, the steady decline in cases we continue to see and the improved safety measures we have implemented ... now mean we can officially begin the transition to the hybrid work week."

Google expects most employees will be in offices about three days a week, with some variance by team and role. Everyone coming to the office must be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 or have an approved exemption, according to the email from John Casey, Google's vice president of global benefits. Unvaccinated workers without an exemption will be given an option to seek one or apply for permanent remote work. Fully vaccinated workers will not have to wear masks in Bay Area offices, Casey said. Employees not prepared to return April 4 also can seek a remote-work extension, Google said. Google largely has restored office perks such as free meals, massages and transit. But while business visitors and meetings are permitted, employees cannot yet bring back families or children to dine or visit with them.

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    • But why?

      Corporation: "Because we said so. If the workers don't like it, they can go work somewhere else."

      • And some likely will. WFH will be the next big office perk, and among many engineers who are nit big on forced office social interactions, they will gravitate towards companies that allow it. Google will lose some employees as a result of this decision. I'll be curious to see how many.

  • by Digital Avatar ( 752673 ) on Wednesday March 02, 2022 @10:41PM (#62321009) Journal

    Between mandatory vaccination and having become accustomed to the lack of commute this is almost certainly an attempt to lay off employees by getting them to quit voluntarily.

    • Making workers commute to work increases pollution. I guess Google doesn't care about the environment.

    • It's about keeping your workers from getting sick and thereby reducing productivity. And dragging people back into the office isn't about layoffs either. It's about preventing property values in the area from collapsing. Even if Google doesn't own buildings their CEOs sit on the board of directors or have investments or both for companies that own commercial real estate property.

      Your cynicism is good but it's bent in the wrong direction. Always follow the money. Google spends a ton of money hiring the b
      • by jbengt ( 874751 )

        Your cynicism is good . . .

        I used to consider myself a cynic, but since I've seen where unbridled cynicism has dragged the US politically and the unhealthy conspiracy theories cynicism helps maintain, I no longer consider cynicism a good thing about anything.
        I have always been, and remain, a skeptic, but I try my hardest to not be cynical about things anymore.

    • I don't think so. The ones who quit voluntarily are generally the ones who have good options for jobs elsewhere, i.e. the good workers. The bad workers, who don't have alternatives, will stick around. If they wanted layoffs, they would specifically lay off the bad workers, not encourage the good workers to leave while the bad ones remain.

  • by Sydin ( 2598829 ) on Wednesday March 02, 2022 @10:46PM (#62321017)

    But if you did the right thing and got vaccinated, you need to be in the office three days a week. Just fantastic messaging there, Google. Really rewarding the right behavior.

    As a reminder, Google has been pouring a ton of money and political capital into building a giant office complex in San Jose for years now. That's what this is about: not worker productivity, or what is right for their workers, but making sure there are enough butts in seats to justify their gigantic real estate plans.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Is it even legal to put employees in that much danger when working from home is a proven alternative that you are happy to offer to others?

      They say there have been advances in treatment, that doesn't mean you can't still get severely ill and suffer long term, probably chronic health problems.

  • Let our lives be spent in honoring them, may they ever grow.

    Really looking forward to traffic sucking again because we can't let property values drop. The way you fix this is with laws. Or by sucking it down like you suck down everything else you hate in life because you won't stand up for yourself.
    • If you stood up for yourself in any manner resembling "effective", you'd have cops shooting you. Here is an exhaustive list of case samples. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
    • Yeah, I love it how the raging capitalists preach about how workers need to adapt and embrace change - creative destruction and all that. But once creative destruction comes to their carefully curated empires, they quickly shut up about it.

  • So far, this discussion area is filled with complaints with really weak logic. Google wants you working in the office. That's why they pay a fuck ton for fancy food, free massages, etc. Is that your idea of productivity? Maybe not, you're welcome to disagree. Fortunately, there are many employers other than Google. Maybe you can find one that suits your needs.

    However, my personal experience as well as most data, suggest that most groups work better in offices than full-time remote. We've had the
    • by mark-t ( 151149 )

      Really, the only explanation that makes sense is Google thinks on-premise work is better

      You gave another reason elsewhere in your comment

      In the office. I can camp out in his cube and force him not to ignore me.

      So you see, it's not simply about productivity, it's about control.

      Anyways, if a person is chronically unavailable when they are expected to be working from home, then that person doesn't need to be brought into the office to bring them into line, that person probably simply needs to be fired, f

    • Followed a seminar at university about leadership. They explained situational leadership. It is a nice read. As always in social sciences, there is no one solution fits all. For some jobs it makes sense to keep a close eye on your staff. For others you let them do their thing. Looks like Google found a middle ground.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      So far, this discussion area is filled with complaints with really weak logic.

      We've had the technology for 20 years now to be fully remote. If remote was so much better, it would be much more common, pre-pandemic.

      Now that really is some weak logic. It's easy to explain why that didn't happen: bad managers.

      To me, if a company says that they can't work effectively with employees at home, that's probably a sign that the managers there are terrible. There are some jobs where you need to be at the office, but not as many as you think.

      • Now that really is some weak logic. It's easy to explain why that didn't happen: bad managers.

        To me, if a company says that they can't work effectively with employees at home, that's probably a sign that the managers there are terrible. There are some jobs where you need to be at the office, but not as many as you think.

        Nice in theory, but the simple fact is, if you have a large team, some will be better at home, some will be worse. You may be awesome WFH. I don't doubt that. About a dozen of my coworkers aren't...be it they're lazy or have demanding small kids or just focus issues. I wish there wasn't a labor shortage and I could just hire nothing but remote rock stars like you...but we work with what we're given.

      • Do you feel like this about Universities? Is it the professors fault students may do worse at home?

    • Most of my coworkers can't be trusted to be productive at home

      That's a problem with those coworkers. If they can't be trusted to do their jobs, well, there's a solution for that. Hire people who can be trusted. Seriously, we're talking about adults here.

      some person they needed was impossible to get ahold of...

      How urgent is it? Send me an email, and I'll reply within a day. If it's more urgent, use a more immediate channel (Slack, Teams, etc.). In an emergency, you can make a phone call, even outside working hours. But if you interrupt me like that, it had better be important, and not just a lack of planning on your part.

      A

      • Most of my coworkers can't be trusted to be productive at home

        That's a problem with those coworkers. If they can't be trusted to do their jobs, well, there's a solution for that. Hire people who can be trusted. Seriously, we're talking about adults here.

        It's easy and fun to say my coworkers should be fired. I don't even disagree, but it's easier said than done. First of all, it's tough firing people nowadays. If you've ever been in management at a good company, you know this. Secondly, we have a global programmer shortage for 25 years now. We have perpetually open requisitions and hire horrible people because we need SOMEONE to do the job, so we end up with the "least worst" candidate, including people who can't speak English and bathe once a month an

    • by Duds ( 100634 )

      If you think the fact business didn't do it means it's better then there's no way you've spent 20 years anywhere.

      • If you think the fact business didn't do it means it's better then there's no way you've spent 20 years anywhere.

        If it was better, SOME businesses would have done it and thrived. JBoss famously was globally distributed. They made good products, but I volunteered for them and it's a bunch of prima donnas whining and backstabbing and hating each other. They were less of a team and more of a few superstars running the show while everyone else was scrambling to find a role. It was really a toxic work environment in which terrible people thrived.

        There are tons of startups, some would have "cracked the code" and been

    • These are all issues to be addressed as part of the move to remote work, rather than reasons why butts must be in seats forever more.

      They were all addressed when offices actually started to become standard, they were all addressed when companies became decentralized, they were all addressed when companies became national or international, and oddly enough, they were all addressed in the days of typing pools.

    • by jbengt ( 874751 )

      We've had the technology for 20 years now to be fully remote.

      20 years ago I could not have been as productive fully remote as at the office. Most home internet capacity just wasn't there yet. "10 years ago" would probably be more realistic.

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  • by bb_matt ( 5705262 ) on Thursday March 03, 2022 @12:32AM (#62321167)

    ... step right up, Google is the place for you!

    I never really got the mindset from huge corporates, that employees should consider the company and colleagues "one big family".
    A job at a place like this really can become your entire life, if that's what floats your boat, rock on.

    For me, I'm massively happy to spend what is the shorter part of an entire day, working hard at my job at HOME.
    More productive, less distraction, no commute, I *own* my time - it's up to me how I deliver and so long as I do deliver, everyone is happy.
    They don't care if I'm at the office or not - it's as it should be "Can this guy do his job?" "Yes" "Cool, that's all we care about"

    Having said that, I work for a huge corporate too and they try their hardest to suck you into "their world" - if I attended every meeting, seminar, lifestyle training, afterwork activity going, I'd get no work done and have no life outside the office.

    I mean, I get it, for some, it really does give meaning to their lives, that would otherwise be empty.

    For me, not so much - I actively enjoy doing the WORK I do, I do not enjoy "enforced fun" "enforced working hours" "enforced working space".
    I also now realise just how much I hated the 9 to 5 office grind, having to sit amongst people I really didn't want to spend any time with, yet ended up spending more time with than friends and family.

    Screw that.

    Google, expect to lose a LOT of developers...

    • For those who want their job to be their life... step right up, Google is the place for you!

      Well, duh? That's what the passive paychecks are for. And all the onsite services like meals. Clearly they feel that having a smaller number of hyper-dedicated "bought in" employees works better for them than a larger number of people with average dedication making average pay. But now they're getting the worst of both worlds. Or at the very least, objectively, you can't argue their people are working under

  • Australia in particular, we were always backwards.

    Plethora of people are talking about being dragged back into the office here in Aus, many of which could work from home indefinitely.

    Some 5 days, some 3, very few, 2 or less.

    They want their money churning through the cities again.
    Unless people say "no" or in the very least "why?" they'll keep doing it.

    You need to start quitting, you need to start saying no, or they'll unwind the whole damn thing.

    I'm hearing return to the office across basically the whole planet right now, every type of job, every business, many cities. Frustrated people are being pulled in to sit in traffic or on trains for hours at a time for little to no value at all.

  • by MindPrison ( 864299 ) on Thursday March 03, 2022 @02:59AM (#62321349) Journal

    The real reason companies don't want you to remote to work is simple.

    At first it seemed like a great idea, people were often MORE productive at home than at work, less distractions, feeling more rested and could produce better results as a result of less distractions at work. Google and many other companies was pleasantly surprised and offered people to work from home in the future more often, my big company did too.

    But all that changed when they discovered the "great resignation" or "reset" if you like.

    More and more workers got better, they discovered better pay elsewhere, they started switching jobs, they got more free time to think about their life and less travelling time and expenses, got to spend more time with their families and other things they otherwise would have no time for.

    Companies don't like that part, because not only do they lose employees to other companies, but they have to be competitive about wages, and if you hit companies on their bottom line, that's when the friendliness towards your workforce quickly vanish, because they LIKE that they are in control of you, that you're too exhausted to seek work somewhere else, that you are too exhausted to "think" about your options, and god forbid such silly thoughts as getting better pay somewhere else.

    So that "remote" idea went sour real quick for them.

  • Two years of remote working - and remote teaching/studying. It would be very easy to fall back into old patterns, but...let's not.

    In my case, as a college prof who teaches programming: In the pre-Covid days, "flipped classroom" just did not work. Students would not reliably prepare themselves before coming to practical sessions. However, students who started while we were teaching partially or entirely remotely - they started my courses with flipped classroom. Now that they have sampled the fruits, they d

    • They really do work best in a dedicated environment where they can feel the presence of the colleagues.

      Others of us are not. We do well to recognise this doesn't make us better - or worse - just different. Good managers will allow their workers to choose the style that works for them, retaining the right to demand the return to the office those who demonstrably goof off in works time. Of course this requires competent managers; there's a theory that they exist...

  • "now mean we can officially begin the transition to the hybrid work week."

    Ah no. Not quite.

    It now means that you can sit and have valid discussions as to why you have to transition "back", at all.

    This would be different if we were sitting on the ass end of two weeks to slow the spread. Kind of hard to argue against a 2-year long remote work study in which Capitalism did not collapse and die, especially against the incessant demands to curb and eliminate pollution. Won't be long before Generation Green starts taxing corporations for that luxury of a work commute they really can

    • Yup. A good chunk of the Millennial cohort grew up with distance work/learning, cloud, and so on. They're fundamentally used to being able to pull out a phone, tablet or laptop and do what they need to do, wherever they happen to be.

      And that cohort is now starting to filter into management. The revolution probably would have started in a decade or two anyway.

      And as you say, we've just had two years to demonstrate that, for a lot of jobs, remote works better, not only 'just as well.'


  • We've had generations of people that only know how to do things via "going to work" - the fully remote work experience is still alien and inferior to them

    Some people genuinely perform better in the office others are clinging to "bing in the office" like some readers still cling to physical books or drivers to a manual gearbox.

    Also remote work affects some regional management controls and they need justification for having a large office.

    The pandemic has caused a radical change for most and they are no
  • A lot of people have gotten comfortable working from home and have little or no desire to return to an office. Just the cost alone makes it frightening for some. Where I live the cost of gas has just about exactly doubled since the pandemic began. So it would cost me twice as much money to drive to an office...to do work that I perform perfectly well from home.

  • Am I the only one that sees "about 3 days" as a pretty big change from the weird factory-worker-esque way that a lot of the US ran before? I think that the pace this is affecting culture is fairly decent for a few reasons:
    At some point, there's going to be a push of outsourcing that will be disguised as 'remote work' in a race to the lowest salary again as lots of places did with H1Bs.
    Some states are freaking out and changing tax laws about days worked and income tax - YES, always working in one place wo
  • Even commenters in Teslas powered by Solar roofs cause more pollution. They also must line up at starbucks for coffee that they would not need to deal with looking other people in the eye, increased damage to rain forests... OMGs.

    Is this marked against Googles EGS scorecard?
  • They bought the buildings so that people can be concentrated under one whip. Now, they couldn't have those buildings unused while there are 9,700 homeless people in Santa Clara, alone. People might get the wrong idea: they don't need office buildings.
  • Google probably does a lot of recruiting out of college. That being the case it is a great reason to bring people back into the office. When you have a lot of new people, being in person is critical to bringing them into the culture.

    1. New employees get introduced and integrated into their team cultures.
    2. They have immediate and personal access to a mentor, one who can check on them once in awhile.
    3. If fresh out of college, they learn the discipline of getting up, getting cleaned up/dressed up (shi
  • The value of land in some markets went down, when people no longer had to be within commuting distance of the city. Perhaps some smart folks bought up lots of real estate during Covid. Now they want to see those investments yield dividends. Leave your quiet closet and get back to those high rent apartments.

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