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China Led World With 500,000 Electric Car Exports In 2021 (nikkei.com) 73

Posted by BeauHD from the market-leaders dept.
China exported nearly 500,000 electric cars in 2021 -- more than any other country in the world -- thanks to increasing sales in Europe and Southeast Asia by emerging cost-competitive automakers, Nikkei has learned. From the report: According to the General Administration of Customs of China, the number of passenger EVs exported in 2021 increased 2.6 times to 499,573 units. Meanwhile, Germany doubled its exports to about 230,000 units, while the U.S fell 30% to around 110,000 units, and Japan increased 24% to 27,400 units -- according to data compiled by the German Association of the Automotive Industry and the Japan External Trade Organization.

China accounts for 60% of global EV production, and is emerging as the world's factory for EVs having already secured the same position in digital product manufacturing. Exports to the EU grew in the wake of it announcing a policy to ban the sale of new hybrid and gasoline-powered vehicles in 2035. China's EV exports to Europe rose fivefold to 230,000 units, with the region absorbing half of China's total EV exports. Belgium imported 87,000 units and the U.K. 50,000 units. Of the almost 500,000 units exported, more than 100,000 appear to have originated from Tesla's Shanghai plant.
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  • .. and are helping Tesla and Apple and other US tech make all the money? Nobody is forcing those companies to go to China.

    • Re:How can China be the enemy when China helped (Score:4, Informative)

      by phantomfive ( 622387 ) on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @11:56PM (#62342665) Journal

      China is not the enemy.

      Authoritarianism is the enemy.

      The Chinese people are great.

      • China is not the enemy.

        Authoritarianism is the enemy.

        The Chinese people are great.

        Same with Russia. The authoritarian parts is what matters today. In both cases really.

        • Yeah. I was thinking about it, and I don't even hate Putin. If he's willing to not be authoritarian, I would be ok with it (as long as the Russian people are ok with that).

          • Putin was a murderous piece of shit before he even became President for life. Fuck that guy. Hate is a strong word but it'll do for me.

            • You could just say khuylo.

            • I've mentioned the Putin apartment bombings in Moscow before, but still...

              If Putin decides autocracy is not the way to go, and the public supports him in, then it could be the most painless method for Russia (and Ukraine) to move forward. I want to leave the door open for that to happen.

              Autocracy is basically the same thing as fascism. It's not good for the world, it's not good for the people in a country.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by hawk ( 1151 )

            >If he's willing to not be authoritarian, I would be ok with it

            good news, then: he's progressed from "authoritarian" to "totalitarian"! :)

      • The trade-off that comes with Chinese authoritarianism is they get to have competent leadership more than 50% of the time. Just saying.

        • Chinese authoritarianism is they get to have competent leadership more than 50% of the time.

          [citation needed]

          I would argue that China has gotten rich because of the people and despite their leaders, not because of them.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by quenda ( 644621 )

        China is not the enemy. Authoritarianism is the enemy. The Chinese people are great.

        Unfortunately you cannot separate it so easily. Chinese and Russian people are very nationalistic, and support their leaders. They will kill you if ordered to.
        We would believe what the same things in their position. Heck, half of Americans still think Saddam had WMDs, and was involved in 9/11.

        • Chinese and Russian people are very nationalistic, and support their leaders

          Some do, some don't. Right now estimates are that 20%-30% of Russians support Putin. The ones who do support him are victims of propaganda (and a very small percent are thieves enriched by the Putin regime). They have no clue what's really going on, and no way to find out.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by ghoul ( 157158 )
        California is not the enemy

        Wokism is the enemy

        Californians are great
    • Same way that Apple had Samsung manufacture chips for them despite being direct competitors. Sometimes it's better to cooperate while you actively plan to kill the other person.

    • Tesla? No, they're probably mostly exporting the Changli [jalopnik.com]

  • I have it on good authority that there's only one man in the world who can make electric cars.

    The stories of other companies making millions of electric cars every year, while Tesla makes thousands, must be fake.

    • I have it on good authority that there's only one man in the world who can make electric cars.

      The stories of other companies making millions of electric cars every year, while Tesla makes thousands, must be fake.

      A lot of those were probably Teslas, actually.

  • You feel stupid now? https://slashdot.org/comments.... [slashdot.org]

    • I completely admire your tenacity and endurance in waiting to correct someone's mistake, I don't see how his post is particularly contradicted by the present.

    • Interesting. Most of the time when I post I don't really care what somebody's response is, nor do I receive any kind of notification when somebody replies to me. I actually almost forgot about that thread until I happened to see this post of yours. Thanks for reminding me though, because your response was entertaining, and I almost missed it. I really like how you went all apeshit when I contradicted you, and then said I have an ego problem. Nonetheless, it remains true -- you're usually wrong about shit. I

      • I really like how you went all apeshit when I contradicted you

        I really like how you are trying to paint my point-by-point rebuttal of your points as going "apeshit". You're hoping people won't follow the actual discussion to realize your points were all bullshit that didn't stand up to a bit a scrutiny.

        Nonetheless, it remains true -- you're usually wrong about shit.

        You say that as if that's a bad thing. I may be wrong about a lot of things. I admit I'm probably wrong about many things I say.

        I guess you have never been wrong in your life.

        I provided a source with hard numbers, and in response you provided a tantrum.

        Again with the characterization of a point-by-point rebuttal as a tantrum. It's like you kno

        • I really like how you are trying to paint my point-by-point rebuttal of your points as going "apeshit"

          No, actually it was the way you responded to me three times for just one post (the one here being the third,) with two of those posts just being personal attacks, and the way you started using caps to emphasize your point of view to others. I can smell the rage in your posts from all the way across the internet. That's why I said you went apeshit, and I think it remains an accurate assessment.

          I guess you have never been wrong in your life.

          Until yesterday my signature basically said my posts are probably wrong. I only changed it because I feel like bashi

          • Second, actually you really didn't make a rebuttal.

            All of it was.

            I mean look at the very first point you made, which seems like more of a question than a point

            They were rhetorical questions. If you actually thought about the answers to them, they rebutted your point completely.

            Because my exact words are totally correct.

            It was the underlying point you were making. You left yourself room to deny it, but anyone who read it in context understands the actual point you were going for.

            comment about patents and copyrights just being rent seeking

            I did not say or imply that at all.

            • They were rhetorical questions. If you actually thought about the answers to them, they rebutted your point completely.

              No, they don't. All they do is show that you really aren't all that educated.

              It was the underlying point you were making.

              Do tell what draws you to that conclusion. This should be good.

              You left yourself room to deny it, but anyone who read it in context understands the actual point you were going for.

              What I said comes from a very basic, old as dirt economic concept called comparative advantage. Notice how I used the word "specialize"? That wasn't on accident, or to leave myself any sort of room for anything, it was very deliberately used as an allusion to this concept.

              https://www.investopedia.com/t... [investopedia.com]

              Unlike you, some of us have obtained a high school diploma, so fun

  • Well, at least they all have wheels (Score:3)

    by AlanObject ( 3603453 ) on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @11:59PM (#62342673)

    For anything useful, this report is pretty much gibberish.

    The numbers are hard to find, but a great number of the non-Tesla exports are not BEVs -- they are hybrids of some kind. Some of them are called "self charging" but you still use them with fossil fuels in the car.

    And of the pure battery cars, many are what are called NEVs -- "Neighborhood" Electric Vehicles. They may be pure electric but they have a range of typically 25 miles.

    Why the hell not include golf carts and robot vacuum cleaners? If you are just trying to tally up big numbers and you don't care much how you do it. You can get better information here. [electrek.co] But you would still have to tabulate the data and do a lot of guessing.

    • And of the pure battery cars, many are what are called NEVs -- "Neighborhood" Electric Vehicles. They may be pure electric but they have a range of typically 25 miles.

      NEVs are golf carts, with a few more options. I actually prefer electric golf carts to ICE ones. That does not extend to cars though.

    • Re: (Score:3)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      China isn't big on hybrids, you are confusing them with Japan.

      China is massive on BEVs though. They have the technology for both the cars and the batteries. Not just for consumer vehicles either, they are very strong on commercial vehicles like busses, taxis and trucks.

      I don't know of any Chinese cars with a 25 mile electric range. They have some with ~80 mile range, similar to the original Nissan Leaf. I had one of those, it was great. Those are affordable cars for the Chinese market, where lots of newly m

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        I don't know of any Chinese cars with a 25 mile electric range.

        Considering Alibaba has EVs for under $5000, that may be the 25 mile EVs. I saw one of those imported into the US - it was basically 8 car batteries and a 12V motor. The build quality was surprisingly decent for such a cheap vehicle.

        I would guess this is the 25 mile EV - just an ultra-cheap car

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Are you sure it wasn't just a prototype or something? The only BEV I know of from Alibaba is the one they made with SAIC, which comes with a choice of 93kWh or 115kWh battery and used Nvidia SoCs for the dashboard. It's a pretty high end vehicle.

          Lesheng makes some ultra cheap BEVs with very limited power and range, but they are really designed to replace electric scooters and rickshaws. I suppose they are technically cars. None of them get exported to Europe because they wouldn't be street legal here.

          • The only BEV I know of from Alibaba is the one they made with SAIC

            There's many BEVs available on alibaba. They have a search function [alibaba.com], you know. Several of them advertise a 100km range, which while not 25 miles, it's not 100 either.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by necro81 ( 917438 )

      And of the pure battery cars, many are what are called NEVs -- "Neighborhood" Electric Vehicles. They may be pure electric but they have a range of typically 25 miles.

      If they get the job done for satisfying a person's transportation needs, what difference does it make? If looked at dispassionately, the overwhelming majority of car trips are under 25 miles.

    • For anything useful, this report is pretty much gibberish.

      The numbers are hard to find, but a great number of the non-Tesla exports are not BEVs -- they are hybrids of some kind. Some of them are called "self charging" but you still use them with fossil fuels in the car.

      And of the pure battery cars, many are what are called NEVs -- "Neighborhood" Electric Vehicles. They may be pure electric but they have a range of typically 25 miles.

      Why the hell not include golf carts and robot vacuum cleaners? If you are just trying to tally up big numbers and you don't care much how you do it.

      You can get better information here. [electrek.co] But you would still have to tabulate the data and do a lot of guessing.

      Not arguing if NEVs should be included as cars in the statistics, but here the groundskeepers have replaced their moped cars with those and I'm pretty sure they weren't very environmentally friendly.

  • China controls over 70% of the world's solar panel production market [statista.com], and that isnt going to change - its hard to compete on price with slave labor. How about wind turbines? Seven of the ten largest wind turbine manufacturers are Chinese [evwind.es], and China controls 60% [bloomberg.com] of global wind turbine production.

    And where does China get the electricity to power the manufacturing plants? China is a large consumer of coal.

  • My experience with products made in china is they produce the poorest quality products that tend to quickly self destruct soon after purchasing

  • ChiCom shillposting changes nothing. Detente was a mistake because China is immune to reform.

    US companies should ramp down then end trade with that enemy for the very simple reason US trade alone pays for the entire ChiCom military budget.

    If you support Beijing you support their dominance of Asia. Make your choice with eyes open.

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