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Trump's Truth Social App Branded a Disaster (bbc.com) 305

Donald Trump's Truth Social has "been a disaster," says Joshua Tucker, director of NYU's Center for Social Media and Politics. According to the BBC, "The app launched on Presidents' Day, 21 February, but six weeks later is beset by problems. A waiting list of nearly 1.5 million are unable to use it." From the report: Truth Social might look like Twitter, but it isn't available on Android phones, web browsers or, apparently, to most people outside the US. And a Republican ally of Mr Trump's, who did not wish to be identified, said: "Nobody seems to know what's going on." On 21 February, Truth Social was one of the App Store's most downloaded apps -- but many who downloaded it were unable to use it. There was an assumption this problem would soon be resolved and Mr Trump would start posting his "truths" in the coming days -- but neither of those things happened. My attempt to register, this week, was placed at number 1,419,631 on the waiting list.

While YouTube, TikTok, Instagram and Facebook are among the 10 most downloaded apps, according to Similar Web, Truth Social is outside the top 100. Users who find their way in can find the app a little empty, as many big voices on the American right have so far stayed away. Another study found downloads have fallen by as much as 95%. And many are feeling frustrated. "Signed up for Truth Social a couple weeks ago and still on a waiting list," one Twitter user said, on Tuesday. "By the time I'm off the waiting list and on to Truth Social for real, Trump will be President again," joked another.
The report says Mr Trump "has not posted a 'truth' for well over a month."

"Maybe they're holding him back," Mr Tucker said. "That's his last chance to launch it - when suddenly Trump comes in and starts being really active on it, that will get a buzz."
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Trump's Truth Social App Branded a Disaster

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  • Omit (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Could have omitted the "'s Truth Social App" from the title.

  • by Sarusa ( 104047 ) on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:43PM (#62417998)

    Nearly everyone around Trump is a completely incompetent toady, due to the incentives he sets up. We saw that repeatedly while he was in office. There was no way this was going to be anything but a disaster.

    Because the only skill he values is how just how hard you can lick his shoes (or other bits) while telling him how great he is in between slurps. For gods sake, if you actually cared if something works you wouldn't have Devin Nunes in charge.

    • Making an app available to millions on 3 major platforms is not trivial. Face book had to invent their own variety of super computers to do it. Google has a massive infrastructure of domain trickery to distribute their load across servers all over the country. There is no way that non - tech billionaires have a clue to how to even spec such a system, and like the man said, "Devin nunes?" for goodness sake. WTF?
      • by AvitarX ( 172628 ) <me&brandywinehundred,org> on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @12:29AM (#62418260) Journal

        Sure, but they could have started with a decent website for maximum access.

        I can't answer to when scale starts to be a problem (or the current user base), but I would think a few million wouldn't require nearly the infrastructure you're talking about in current times.

        I would think somewhere between 1 million and 100 million it starts to get hard.

        • They have a single postgres db for the backend. I don't know this for sure, but I would bet even money.
          • I was WAY off on scalability too.

            I'm sure there's been improvements since this blog post, but that seems like a lot of hardware for 40k users to me.

            http://blog.joinmastodon.org/2... [joinmastodon.org]

      • Making an app available to millions on 3 major platforms is not trivial.

        No, it *used to* not be trivial. You don't need to invent anything these days. Facebook open sourced their database and development, cloud services provide wonderful scale provisioning. No one needs to care about load distribution or database development because the hard work is already done.

        There is no way that non - tech billionaires have a clue to how to even spec such a system

        You're delusional if you think Trump spec'd anything. His role is to surround himself with competent people who can get a job done. Mind you the reason we all knew Truth Social would be a disaster is due to who we witne

      • by gtall ( 79522 )

        Billionaire? The former alleged president? Stop reading his press releases.

      • The problem here is that he spent the 5 previous years alienating anyone who actually could get the job done - he pissed off everyone competent in the tech sector, or any cloud service that could actually scale the way they need to. So he was starting from a really deep hole to begin with.

        Then he hired a political hack to be CEO, for some reason.

        Then, they tried to just use an open source Twitter clone as their base, but didn't play by the open source rules so before they even launched, they were already g

    • by swm ( 171547 )

      if you actually cared if something works you wouldn't have Devin Nunes in charge.

      Maybe he should have hired Devin Nunes' cow?

    • by gtall ( 79522 )

      "you wouldn't have Devin Nunes in charge" Wot? A former dairy farmer isn't fit to run a media company? His hire fits the former alleged president's thinking he can hire just any old schlemiel to run something, e.g., Betsy du Vos or that wrestling exec's wife for the small business administration.

  • by fermion ( 181285 ) on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:44PM (#62418000) Homepage Journal
    I register early March. It is just this week that I was approved. One lame thing I saw was that you have to follow at least two accounts. The first account, listed is of course Trump. It is like Netflix boosting rating by putting an Adam Sandler movie on the front page then listed everyone who watches 5 minutes as watching the whole thing.

    I have already had content censored. It does not seem to be any explanation, the posts are just gone. I wonder if part of the problem is they humans censoring content. The TOS basically says anything that hurts the feeling of the owners or they donâ(TM)t like will be censored. It is kind of broad, so it must be the Chinese or Russian model.

  • Seems like his gullible followers who bought DWAC are learning valuable financial lessons too. DWAC bulls are probably the same mentally deficient idiots that bought Western exchange listed Russian tickers and adrs before halt and inevitable delisting.
    • by fermion ( 181285 )
      The SPAC listed shares at $5. It rose to several hundred dollars. It is now around $500. Some have gotten screwed. But it is q00x the initial price. SPACs are highly speculative high risk blank check financial instruments used to get untested and unvetted firms listed on the stock market. Those who get in early can make money. But it is supposed to be only for the sophisticated investor.
      • by klipclop ( 6724090 ) on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:02PM (#62418040)
        I'm pretty sure you just defined the typical cult like trump supporter. Go check out the yahoo message boards for DWAC and see all the shareholders with the financial aptitude of a 3yr old posting in anger and confusion now that number is going down.
      • It is not $500. Last I checked it was around $60 and rapidly falling.
      • It is now around $500.

        False. [google.com]

        Currently trading at $48. So I guess you're only off by a little over an order of magnitude - not the biggest lie ever told about Trump's success, or the fact that everything he touches turns to shit eventually. But still a lie that took about 2 seconds to show completely false.

  • by Powercntrl ( 458442 ) on Monday April 04, 2022 @09:57PM (#62418028) Homepage

    While I personally would like to see Trumpism relegated to the dustbin of history, I would've preferred to see normal market forces sort things out in the social media sector. A failure of Truth Social is just going to further reignite calls from conservatives to enforce their brand of "free speech" on private companies, and as we've already seen with DeSantis and Disney [miamiherald.com], what they really mean is freedom to only the sort of speech conservatives want spoken.

    Truth Social isn't the type of platform I'd ever want to use. I don't imagine they'd take kindly to a left-leaning-centrist gay guy on there, anyway. Regardless of my personal feelings, I still respect their rights to have their own echo chamber where they can circle-jerk 24/7 about Trump's latest conspiracy du jour. Creating your own forum with blackjack and hookers is how the internet is supposed to work.

    • by hazem ( 472289 ) on Monday April 04, 2022 @11:02PM (#62418182) Journal

      I don't imagine they'd take kindly to a left-leaning-centrist gay guy on there, anyway.

      Actually, they'd love to have a liberal on there so they could high-five each other while the "own the lib".

      One of the other critiques I read about the site is that since there aren't many liberals on there getting outraged at all the "truths" the righties are posting, they're just not having much fun on the site.

      It's the ultimate expression of "don't feed the trolls". A social media site of only trolls just isn't any fun for them.

    • I don't think it would work the way you think it would work.

      It would fail in the market because there's just not good advertising opportunities side by side with that kind of content. Then they would complain about how they're being censored, and then try to get laws passed to ensure others have to pay them for their speech.

      Being conservative doesn't mean they believe in the free market: the belief only holds when the invisible hand is punching someone else in the nuts. If they're on the receiving end then

    • A failure of Truth Social is just going to further reignite calls from conservatives to enforce their brand of "free speech" on private companies,

      I can't help but wonder if your newfound devotion to "private companies" is going to outlast, say, Elon Musk buying up Twitter.

  • by CmdrPorno ( 115048 ) on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:07PM (#62418054)

    I somehow got through the waitlist, and what do you know, the Dear Leader has posted only a single "Truth" asking that we watch this space, or something similar. Doesn't bode well for his inevitable 2024 campaign. SAD!

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:40PM (#62418122)
    Billions of dollars were funneled into it and in turn into Trump's pockets. If he does get another shot at the White House due to our nation's extremely short-term memory that I'm sure that the people who funneled that money in will be remembered.

    In case I need to spell it out I believe these are more than likely simple bribes. Trump will continue to get these bribes until such time as he is no longer potentially politically and financially useful.
  • by Eunomion ( 8640039 ) on Monday April 04, 2022 @10:54PM (#62418158)
    I would be genuinely surprised if the plan weren't to hijack the hardware of everyone who visits it and lease it out to Russian crypto miners and Kremlin bot farms.
  • I am sure their database is laden with quite a few would-be terrorists.
  • by SethJohnson ( 112166 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @02:00AM (#62418324) Homepage Journal
    The thing that caught my attention was the iOS exclusivity. That says a lot about their development process and why this is likely all twisted around the axle.

    I'm betting this thing was spearheaded with UAX designers who delivered a prototype that got signed off by the stakeholders. The prototype was coded on iOS because their team knows how to make phone apps and that's what they delivered- an app. Not a social network.

    What they shoulda done is built the thing containerized with a tightly defined REST API. There's a POC javascript client that can load in a browser or framed in an iOS or Android app quickly thrown together in an afternoon and it talks REST to the containers wherever they're hosted.

    Anyone is allowed to build and market their own client apps but they have to pay for their API keys. This shifts the UI support & development costs to the third-parties and allows this social network to launch and scale on a shoestring budget. Containerization forces the devs to keep everything cloud-agnostic so it can be hosted anywhere should they face de-platforming in the future.
    • The people smart enough to do this were not hired to do the job. It is likely that people were chosen based on personal loyalty and not qualifications.

  • "Truth" (Score:4, Interesting)

    by LiquidAvatar ( 772805 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @02:18AM (#62418326) Journal
    I have to travel a lot for work and have noticed a trend: when a company nouns an adjective in their name, it's usually because that's the only way that anyone would ever associate that adjective with that company. I think that most likely applies here.
  • by bumblebees ( 1262534 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @02:46AM (#62418352)
    Russias main propaganda news outlet is named "Pravda" that directly translates to "Truth"... Nothing fishy here...
  • Don't remember the site's name, but it got shut down after only a few weeks.
  • I am shocked ! Shocked I tell you.
  • by rantrantrant ( 4753443 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @03:34AM (#62418402)
    Ah, well... back to the Daily Stormer, Breitbart & Fox News then.
  • A social media platform can have all kinds of bells and whistles but fundamentally it's not rocket science providing it is launched as a minimum viable product and iterated upon. I think most people could put a reasonable timescale on launching such a product that even in a naive non-optimized MVP form could probably handle millions of users from a single server room or cloud service. It boggles the mind how shit Trump's app must be if it can't process registrations or scale up to handle them.

    It's so bad

  • Using the six weeks criterion, Google, Facebook, Amazon were abject failures since they did not reach hundreds of millions in a month and a half after startup. I'd say here is a case of calling it far too soon.
  • What ??? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Freischutz ( 4776131 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @04:32AM (#62418466)

    Trump's Truth Social App Branded a Disaster

    The man who bankrupted six casinos, flew an airline into the ground, bankrupted a football league, burned down a magazine, tanked a mortgage company, burned down a vodka brewery, had to pay compensations to avoid getting convicted for fraud over his university, and short circuited a telephone company, the most perfect genome intelligent design can produce, the greatest business genius in human history, the man chosen by the ever infallible US voting public to run the USA like he runs his businesses crapped up another business venture? IMPOSSIBLE!

    • He really should get an award for being able to ruin all of those businesses. Its a pretty good acheivement to ruin those businesses that otherwise are pretty stable ones. Even just leaving them alone with semi dumb managers would most likely have been able to turn a decent profit.
  • So - it's basically a cut down twitter clone? If they've got budget for some competent software engineers then what's the problem?

  • It was successful (Score:4, Interesting)

    by stoicfaux ( 466273 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @11:25AM (#62419300)

    Late Stage Capitalism: Trump is on course to pocket the "Truth Social" money [dailykos.com]

    You don't make money off of the business plan, you make money off of the investors who believe in the promise of a forthcoming business plan.

    "One of Trump’s fellow money-launderers, Patrick Orlando, whom Trump undoubtedly met while participating in Russian money laundering schemes with Deutsche Bank, the world’s foremost money laundering organization, set up a thing called a Special Purpose Acquisition Company (SPAC). SPACs are emblematic of the final late stages of capitalism. These are lovingly called “blank check” vehicles. They allow a fraudster, or even a legitimate entrepreneur, to set up a dummy corporation and to sell shares to the public with basically no business plan at all. They simply state they will invest the money in something, sometime. The investors have the right to pull out their money once those prospective investments are revealed."

  • by barrywalker ( 1855110 ) on Tuesday April 05, 2022 @12:27PM (#62419522)
    The fucking guy who managed to bankrupt a casino. Yea, I'm shocked.

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