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Google Docs Starts Nudging Some Users To Write Less Dumbly 72

Many users have started to report that they are seeing suggestions -- such as grammar and spelling fixes -- to improve their writing when using Google Docs. The company made the announcement about this earlier this month. From a report: A purple squiggly line will appear under suggestions to help make your writing more concise, inclusive, active, or to warn you away from inappropriate words. These new Google suggestions have long been available via third-party services like Grammarly, which is able to integrate with Google Docs and aims to help improve the quality of your writing. Depending on the quality of Google's native suggestions, it could vastly reduce the need for these third-party services. Does it count as "sherlocking" when someone other than Apple does it? The catch is that Google isn't rolling out these assistive writing features to all of its Workspace plans. It says the "Tone and Style" suggestions will be available for "Business Standard, Business Plus, Enterprise Standard, Enterprise Plus, [and] Education Plus" subscribers.
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Google Docs Starts Nudging Some Users To Write Less Dumbly

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  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @10:24AM (#62459384)

    Looks like the real danger was Clippy [theverge.com] becoming self-aware, and propagating itself to all corners of the internet.

  • Let it be on display. Why cover up the "danger" sign next to the abandoned well?

  • But clearly they did not nudge the ./ editors.

  • Now that we've got Google Docs helping us with grammar, syntax and word choice, we need to get Slashdot to start using it. Some of the posters here have no idea how to express themselves, even though they claim to be highly educated.
    • by Anonymous Coward
      What, exactly, are you trying to say?
      • by Anonymous Coward
        Score:5, Funny
    • Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • Dream on. Slashdot has filters that block typing ellipses with dots, and the use of multiple hyphen when trying to format a little table in the text, but are blind to regular N@zi ASCII "art" spam, although it will block all use of the word N@zi's even if it is part of a URL about N@zi Germany.

      • by jbengt ( 874751 )

        Slashdot has filters that block typing ellipses with dots . . .

        I type ellipses with dots all the time. Maybe it's only triggered if you're using plain-old text instead of HTML

        • by Roger W Moore ( 538166 ) on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @12:31PM (#62459760) Journal
          Ellipses are fine as long as you follow the strict Slashdot posting rules...

          When thou typeth a post thou shalt use three dots for thy ellipses, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt use, and the number of the dots shall be three. Four shalt thou not use, neither shalt thou type two, excepting that thou then typeth a third. Five dots is right out! Once the number three, being the third number, be typed, then clickest thou thy submit button and thy post shall be sent towards thy foes, who shall call thee a troll and ruineth thy karma.

          • no more, no less

            no fewer*

            (Sorry, I normally wouldn't, but in an article about grammar I feel compelled to.)

  • by splutty ( 43475 ) on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @10:39AM (#62459428)

    And does it STAY turned off? Because Google has a really nasty habit of implementing 'cool new stuff' (in their eyes anyway), without a possibility to turn it off.

    And even if you can turn things off, they often re-enable themselves automagically on a random update.

    • by ffkom ( 3519199 ) on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @10:59AM (#62459478)
      Why would Google (or any other network service provider) want to allow you writing whatever you want? The obvious future of this feature is to become obligatory, where your texts are rewritten to match Google's agenda and preference of wording. Probably a prerequisite for them to stay in business in China, anyway.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Had it in Gmail for a while, you can turn it off. I left it on though, after using it on mobile for a while. It often guesses the rest of common phrases, which appear ghosted in front of the cursor. It doesn't interrupt or annoy you like Clippy.

  • I assume the "Less Dumbly" headline was some sort of joke.

  • by DarkRookie2 ( 5551422 ) on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @10:42AM (#62459438)
    And you will FUCKING LIKE IT.
    No being weird, anti social, uncommon, or anything that will ruffle others feathers.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    The best way to write better is to decide you want to write better, and start working on it. With a dictionary at your fingertips and a ready willingness to use it. Learn how then proofread your own work. Make it a habit. Works much better than any nagging.

    I do. I always turn off all squiggly lines and spell- and grammar checking. It's my job, I want to do it, so I can learn from my mistakes, so I do that myself.

    This does require that you are minimally competent in the language you're writing. Good enough

    • You've never been a language teacher, have you?
    • by jbengt ( 874751 ) on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @12:16PM (#62459712)
      I leave on spell and grammar checking (in Word and Outlook), but I have to turn off automatic corrections to make it usable. The squiggly lines help with my spelling errors (mostly transpositions) but the grammar checker is almost always wrong.
    • The best way to write better is to decide you want to write better, and start working on it. With a dictionary at your fingertips and a ready willingness to use it. Learn how then proofread your own work. Make it a habit. Works much better than any nagging... This does require that you are minimally competent in the language you're writing. Good enough that you can spot your own errors. If you can't do that, what was highschool for? Time to revisit that until you are good enough to critique yourself meaningfully.

      Even competent, capable, and literate book authors with a good grasp of grammar and spelling make mistakes. That's why book publishers employ copy editors, whose specialty is catching and correcting errors. Even at that, they sometimes get it wrong, even though they habitually read backwards in order to avoid the "I know what's next" reading phenomenon that allows us to miss mistakes because our brains are good at extracting correct meanings from mangled data.

      BTW, I doubt that "highscool" appears in any rep

  • "...Nudging Some Users To Write Less Dumbly."

    With headlines written like that, it's rather obvious the Slashdot effect isn't what it used to be.

    • by splutty ( 43475 )

      That has to be a tongue in cheek joke, because surely /. editors aren't that stupid..

      Wait.. What?

  • by splutty ( 43475 ) on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @11:02AM (#62459496)

    You pat them on the shoulder and whisper "There, they're, their"

  • It didn't seem to help the author of the article title.
  • Lost cause (Score:5, Insightful)

    by smooth wombat ( 796938 ) on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @11:21AM (#62459534) Journal

    We are too far down the rabbit hole of ineptitude and not caring that these "nudges" won't make a difference. People can't even speak coherently. You expect them to write any better?

  • lowkey no cap writing is chalked bruh google is sus

    --
    Not knowing anything is the sweetest life. - Sophocles

  • I can't see Google doing any better, considering the way some of their products operate.

    I've used Grammarly a bit for my own writing. I find it mildly helpful in a last-pass edit on long-form fiction to catch the little things, like a missed comma or misplaced quote or something, but patently dumber than a box of rocks level stupid on the bigger issues, like world choice, phrasing, and such. Especially funny is that, if you actually let it make all the changes it wants to make to a document, which I do for

    • by ebvwfbw ( 864834 )

      I noticed that as well. Especially the re-wording problem. I think the problem was that the sentence needed to be completely re-written. Then it worked. In my case I think it helped a lot. I was doing a lot of things wrong because I learned it wrong.

    • by hawk ( 1151 )

      When MS added "grammar check" to Word 5.1 on the Mac, I checked it out.

      I had the fastest machine available at the time, an SE/30.

      And it took a minute a paragraph.

      That might not have been so bad, as I could have left it to do its thing while doing something else.

      But every single thing it told me was wrong!

      (kind of like when we were asked to test a plagiarism checker at Penn State. I fed a couple of papers in. Any correctly cited quote was flagged as problematic, while putting in an entire working paper th

  • by Miles_O'Toole ( 5152533 ) on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @11:33AM (#62459580)

    When my writing refers to Google as "a loathsome pack of evil, excrement-gobbling privacy rapists".

    • by sinij ( 911942 )
      Similar to "suggestions" they made to James Damore.
    • When my writing refers to Google as "a loathsome pack of evil, excrement-gobbling privacy rapists".

      User: It appears you are being too hard on yourself. All that personal data we are collecting is hardly excrement. You are a value to us and all those around you, and we appreciate you feeding us. Except your daughter, she doesn't value you and didn't even tell you she was pregnant.

      • I think that story about the girl's father finding out she was pregnant "because ads" is getting a bit old now, isn't it?

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  • by SubmergedInTech ( 7710960 ) on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @12:10PM (#62459682)

    Oh, just what we need. The oxymoron of being inclusive by excluding insufficiently progressive language, pushed onto all Google Docs users by default. So, who chooses what "inclusiveness" includes? I'm guessing they have a highly diverse group photo and very little diversity of viewpoint.

    Here's the other fun part: If you spell-check a document or grammar-check a document, you can correct all the little red and blue squiggles and your document will stay correct. But inclusive language is (intentionally) a moving target. So every time you open your document, there will be new inclusiveness suggestions to correct.

    • by Anonymous Coward
      Won't someone think of the bigots!?!
    • Being prescriptive with language is the opposite of inclusive. It has the habit of trying to standardize language and erasing regional dialect. Appalachian English, AAVE, Pennsylvania, Southern, and Texan and many others just in the US. All with different phrasings and word choices.

      • by hawk ( 1151 )

        More bluntly, I want to know if it promotes "less dumbly", *or* "inclusive."

        That's an either/or situation . . .

  • I prefer not to share my brilliant words with Google. Personal computers have had text editors from the beginning. Why use the services of a data broker?

    I do use Google Calendar. Very convenient for all my devices, but what about privacy? WritInAWayThatG'gleDsntUndrstnd.

    • Showing results for Write In A Way That Google Doesn't Understand
      Search instead for Writ In A Way That G'gle Dsnt Undrstnd

      Yeah - you had to remove spaces for it to hide, but that's because you used capital letters for chunking and they could easily interpret that too.

  • I think these features are a good idea in principle -- but there are at least a few more places where this kind of feedback is legitimately needed:

    • - Email programs,
    • - Text messaging apps, and
    • - The classroom.

    And I'm sure some people are going to take exception to this and probably down-vote me, but no... none of those are tongue-in-cheek. I receive emails and text/chat messages at work from so-called "professionals" in their field who routinely substitute letter/number abbreviations for words which genuinel

    • Grammarly can now run automatically in Apple Mail and texting apps (WhatsApp, for example) on MacOS. It found a mistake I intentionally inserted in this sentence, in fact, since it also runs in text windows on browsers.
  • by hackertourist ( 2202674 ) on Tuesday April 19, 2022 @01:00PM (#62459842)

    481 [xkcd.com]

  • ... where I'm working. I'm astounding at the low level of writing ability demonstrated in the everyday communications. It's even worse in the technical documentation -- that's intended to be used for reference and training purposes -- where it's not uncommon to encounter documents that are obviously comprised of sentence fragments and/or paragraphs that have been cut-n-pasted together from different documents written by multiple people who all described the same concept using different wording. Proofreadin

    • It's even worse in the technical documentation -- that's intended to be used for reference and training purposes -- where it's not uncommon to encounter documents that are obviously comprised of sentence fragments and/or paragraphs that have been cut-n-pasted together from different documents written by multiple people who all described the same concept using different wording.

      And don't forget the run-on sentences :-)

  • STASI intercepted letters after they were written, but didn't go as far as telling people the politically correct way to write them.
  • Oh, wait, that would be the same as turning the damn thing off and using the proper English you were supposed to have learned in... wait for it... grammar school.

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