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Obama Says Social Media Falsehoods Spur Skepticism on Politics (bloomberg.com) 275

Former U.S. President Barack Obama warned that the way Americans communicate on social media networks has weakened democracy. Bloomberg: Obama, who owns the podcasting and film company Higher Ground, warned that "citizens no longer know what to believe" thanks to false information spreading online. This is leading to political skepticism among citizens, he added. "The very design of these platforms is tilting us in the wrong direction," he said Thursday during a conference at Stanford University's Cyber Policy Center. Hate speech, vaccine misinformation and state-sponsored amplification of fake news are feeding people's desire to read sensational content, the former president said. While Obama acknowledged that some of the most odious content, such as racism, white supremacy and conspiracy theories, existed "long before the first tweet was sent," he argued that "solving the disinformation problem" on social media networks could help build trust and solidarity among citizens.
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Obama Says Social Media Falsehoods Spur Skepticism on Politics

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  • by oldgraybeard ( 2939809 ) on Thursday April 21, 2022 @06:05PM (#62466912)
    have spent decades burning up any credibility the US government had. Social Media is just one of the modern tools they use to do it.
    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday April 21, 2022 @08:32PM (#62467298)
      so what do you mean "the gov't burned up any credibility". As the saying goes, don't blame me, I voted for Sanders.

      The problem here is billionaire cash. Lots of it. An unlimited supply.

      But also, folks who watch political adverts and Fox News and go to rallies because they think politics should be exciting and fun.

      Real politics is a slog. It's work. When you treat it like a game this is what you get. Imagine if we treated our jobs the way we treat politics.
      • by Comrade Ogilvy ( 1719488 ) on Thursday April 21, 2022 @08:48PM (#62467334)

        Real politics is a slog. It's work. When you treat it like a game this is what you get. Imagine if we treated our jobs the way we treat politics.

        On the nose.

        Your typical voter of every politic stripe want to solve their frustrations with an "exciting" candidate who will solemnly promise to go the Washington DC and solve difficult problems with simple and easy solutions. When that fails, they double down on "it's Washington DC that is corrupt". No, it is the voters who are corrupt, and they are getting candidates that reflect who they really are.

        In the world of software, you might well fire the leader who wildly overpromised and underdelivered on his project. But if you chose to replace him with the job candidate who makes the biggest promises because his yarn is so "exciting", the coming failure would be on you.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          The system is broken.

          It's supposed to represent the will of (all) the people, but ends up ignoring most of them.

          It's supposed to work for constituents, but instead works for corporations.

          Populism is a symptom of a broken system.

        • No, it is the voters who are corrupt, and they are getting candidates that reflect who they really are.

          You actually sound like you're not American, or do you not realise that America's two party system is effectively lock in such a way that it is statistically impossible to vote for someone one then the two lumps of shit on the ballot?

          And by vote, I mean actually have your vote counted. Sure you can tick another party, but in a system that doesn't have preferential voting or any other ranking system and is FPTP winner takes all you may as well just walk into the booth and set your ballot on fire.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by ravenshrike ( 808508 )

        The fact you think Sanders has any credibility speaks volumes.

        • Agreed.
        • by lostmy4digitUID ( 2736503 ) on Friday April 22, 2022 @12:46AM (#62467670)
          I'm not a Sanders fan as he's way too left... but Sandars is one of the few politicians where you know he says what he means. He is 100% credible and would do exactly what he says if elected. There aren't many politicians that are like that. Sanders policies and beliefs may be absolutely horrible but he is definatly credible.
          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            by sumdumass ( 711423 )

            I completely agree. I mean sanders uses to say the millionaires and billionaires and changed that to just billionaires once he became a millionaire, but at least when questioned he stuck to his guns and said you can go out and make a million dollars too.

            I forgot which home he was staying at when he gave those quotes. I've managed to lise track of how many he owns.

            • A millionaire is not a big deal anymore once you count assets, and you don't need to be in the 1% to be a millionaire. Many rural farmers are technically millionaires, especially if they inherited the land. Count the retirement accounts, 401ks, house, etc, then as many approach retirement age and had a decent salary then they're often approaching the million dollar mark.

      • by memory_register ( 6248354 ) on Thursday April 21, 2022 @09:32PM (#62467406)
        Most of the cash isn't 'billionaire' money - it's actually from the politicians themselves, or more accurately from the taxpayers.

        Politicians set up billions in government grants and funding to huge organizations like unions, nonprofits, groups like Planned Parenthood etc. Billions of it get funneled back either as direct campaign contributions, dark money, super PAC money, or 'in-kind' help like running their own get-out-the-vote drives (but only in areas of the electorate that support their party).

        Round and round it goes, and the elites get fatter in the process.
      • The problem here is billionaire cash.

        Indeed. It is outrageous how the billionaires were able to buy the presidency for Jeb Bush.

        • "You elected them you know, right?".

          Trump was allowed to beat Jeb because the billionaires knew Trump would play ball. And Play Ball he did. He gave $3.5 trillion away in direct subsidies and a pittance to working Americans. And that doesn't even count the crap he did to keep the stock market afloat through election season. He'd set up a bomb to blow up the economy as soon as he was safely back in office, and the bastard would've gotten away with it if COVID hadn't happened. Ironically COVID saved us fr
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            You do know that the majority of US billionaires are Democrats that actively support liberal causes, right?

            What blew up the economy was a combination of Democrat governors shutting down business in their states helping lead to supply chain issues followed by a very big excess in money giveaways by Congress. The combination of pent up demand, trillions of "stimulus", and the Fed printing more money to cover all the drunk spending lead to inflation.

          • by sumdumass ( 711423 ) on Friday April 22, 2022 @06:39AM (#62468090) Journal

            What exactly did Trump do to keep the stock market floating? And what exactly did he do to set a bomb ?

            Here is the thing. Under Trump we has cheap energy. Almost every time we have had cheap energy, the economy does well. High energy costs and it suffers. It's just that simple. It doesn't matter who is in office or what party they belong to, the economy has tended to do well. It takes a bit of time to get rolling but that is just a trend that has seemed to follow over the last 50 or more years.

      • "You elected them you know, right?" Nope! no one at the State or Federal level I voted for. rsilvergun your the "Man"! You've got the power now!
      • Farkers who claim politics is slow motion and real slog are the ones playing games. Gov't moves at a lightning pace when it wants to do horrible things. The same speed can be applied to good things, but the game players want you to think otherwise.

      • I had a boss once who said congressional appointments should be like jury duty. Short conscription of civil service. Campaigns are just popularity contests, not contests relating to how well they can do a job. They arent even limited on budget, it can be a limitless supply of cash at times. Its that thinking that gets us the tax and spend idiots which in turn forces a tax increase.
    • So Mr. "If you like your doctor you can keep your Doctor," Mr. "Shovel-ready Jobs," Mr. "I won't add one thin dime to federal debt" thinks it's "falsehoods" on Social Media that causes skepticism on politics?

      Is he serious?

  • by presidenteloco ( 659168 ) on Thursday April 21, 2022 @06:09PM (#62466928)
    and be done with it.

    Interesting to contemplate what would happen. Would everything be severely modded down into invisibiity, by chair-warriors of one political extreme or the other?
    What would remain?
    Innocuous vacuous pablum tiktok videos?
    • by Powercntrl ( 458442 ) on Thursday April 21, 2022 @06:25PM (#62467008) Homepage

      If you give everybody the ability to moderate, you get echo chambers like Reddit.
      If you give out mod points randomly, as with Slashdot, you get a random result.

      This place has been quite political as of late, and it's been a complete grab-bag as to which way the moderation swings. Discussing politics online is a fool's errand anyway. Nobody goes online to have their opinion changed - it's all about trying to reach those mythical "fence sitters" (which may be about as likely to exist as unicorns).

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Slashdot mod points are not random. They get abused a lot too, and while I won't go into details the site admins spend a lot of time fighting that abuse.

        It doesn't scale. It's manageable with the number of users on Slashdot, but for social media with hundreds of millions of users it won't work.

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      Social Media wouldn't work with a /. moderation style system. The problems are numerous:

      * Who determines who gets to moderate? If everyone then you have group think. If random then messages will be lost in a sea of noise.
      * Stupid Juvenile Whiners / Corporations / etc. would demand removal of the downvote button.
      * Having a "serious" discussion on social media is pointless. Topics are complicated. You can't summarize a complex issue in a single tweet.
      * People are assholes online. Expecting people to have a

      • /. IS one form of social media. liked and inhabited by a strange little clique perhaps, but nonetheless.... we were here first.

        Twitter != social media

        FB, youtube, tiktok.... insta...whatever.... linkedin... reddit... all variant forms of user generated content sites i.e. social media, in the general sense of that term.

        and they all have different social characteristics, and I suppose, different problems.
    • Slashdot doesn't make anything invisible, just read it at -1. I think its a good compromise. I tend to ignore the moderation. A lot of the time it doesn't give a good indication of content anyway.

      But for those people that need to protected from offense they can do so.

    • by Moryath ( 553296 )
      Have you SEEN how shitty Slashdot's moderation has become?
    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday April 21, 2022 @08:34PM (#62467308)
      but I can game the /. moderation system. Just by using a few well placed comments and jokes. No need to even have alt accounts

      And no, for the record I don't, but there is a creepy weirdo who keeps creating accounts like rsiilvergun (two ii's) and stalking me. I am dead sexy though, so who can blame him? Or her, let's be fair.
    • Any 'wrong' opinion gets your account banned.
      It's the leftist media themselves which have been woked to such an extent that we should no longer call news sites like www.nu.nl news sites anymore.
      It's nothing more than an outlet for leftist propaganda.

  • Speaking of which (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Captivale ( 6182564 )

    50 senior intelligence officials signed a letter saying that Hunter Biden's laptop was a Russian disinformation campaign. Last week, the New York Times admitted it was true. Why aren't those 50 accountable at all?
    50 senior intelligence officials signed a letter saying that Hunter Biden's laptop was a Russian disinformation campaign. Last week, the New York Times admitted it was true. Why aren't those 50 accountable at all?
    50 senior intelligence officials signed a letter saying that Hunter Biden's laptop was

  • And he's right (Score:4, Informative)

    by taustin ( 171655 ) on Thursday April 21, 2022 @06:12PM (#62466944) Homepage Journal

    But most of the falsehoods on social media are exact, in context quotes from politicians.

  • Wrong (Score:2, Insightful)

    by rlwinm ( 6158720 )
    The founding principles of the US are more along the lines of Libertarianism. Government should be marginalized and minimized. Obama was a terrible president - and his third proxy term is really woeful.
    • I guess you'll be driving to work on all those privately owned roads instead of the publicly funded roads.

    • The founding principles of the US are more along the lines of Libertarianism. Government should be marginalized and minimized.

      No. The federal was marginalized, but government itself was not. The local gov't could choose to seize your presses, seize your personal property for token compensation, put you in jail indefinitely, etc. And when push came to shove, those "freedom loving" Confederate states resorted to terrorism and murder of their own citizens to keep people in line. Isn't that original form of gov't oh so perfect?

      • Re:Wrong (Score:5, Informative)

        by jacks smirking reven ( 909048 ) on Thursday April 21, 2022 @10:01PM (#62467440)

        Thank you, this "fouders were libertarian" is some post-hoc historical revisionism. There were many founders many of them having famously public disagreements. The Constitution is the result of compromise amongst a wide school of the political concepts at the time.

        Libertarian favorite Jefferson supported the idea of updating the Constitution every 20 years or so:

        The idea of amending constitutions at regular intervals dates back to Thomas Jefferson. In a famous letter, he wrote that we should “provide in our constitution for its revision at stated periods.” “[E]ach generation” should have the “solemn opportunity” to update the constitution “every nineteen or twenty years,” thus allowing it to “be handed on, with periodical repairs, from generation to generation, to the end of time.”

  • by magzteel ( 5013587 ) on Thursday April 21, 2022 @06:18PM (#62466970)

    "solving the disinformation problem" means "only information I agree with should be allowed"

    • by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Thursday April 21, 2022 @06:36PM (#62467034) Homepage Journal

      Is the left trying to shut down alternative facts? Maybe. But there are a few gems spread by the right that are just bizarrely insane.

      Social media and the internet in general just amplifies and accelerates something that is already there. A lot of malcontents dissatisfied with the way the world is turning out for them, ready to fabricate a fantasy where they again matter. And a political machine ready to spin doctor any tidbit for the perfect sound bite to feed to these unhappy masses.

      Is Obama a Marxist ready to destroy American? Wishful thinking. We would be better off if he was.

    • Help, my opinions are unpopular!

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Shemmie ( 909181 )

        Well... not unpopular. As the issue seems to be, that it's being said "We need to find ways of stopping people sharing these opinions". It seems they're perfectly popular opinions, hence it apparently 'being an issue'.

        So it's more "We need a way of stopping opinions being shared that *I* disagree with". And that would be unreasonable. So it needs to be framed as preventing disinformation. To stop disinformation, you fund an activist group to become "The Centre for Fact Dissemination and the Eradication of M

    • by gurps_npc ( 621217 ) on Thursday April 21, 2022 @08:04PM (#62467204) Homepage

      You demonstrate immense ignorance with that statement. In fact your statement demonstrates the problem perfectly by being a falsehood.

      There is no 'problem' at all with outlawing things someone disagree. That is easy to do.

      The problem is combating lies without outlawing things people disagree with. That is hard to do, hence the word problem.

      In other words, the thing you are complaining about, pretending Obama did not understand, is the exact thing Obama was discussing.

      The problem can be cut into two different issues. 1) Intentional falsehood and 2) Stupidity based falsehood.

      Intentional falsehood has certain 'tells', namely anonymous, foreign content, uniformity of topics (i.e. that IP address never talks about anything but one topic and never looks at porn. No porn is a big tell). Those are all relatively easy to detect and mark. We could even color code it, your post shows about racism show up with a green flag while your opponent has a red flag because he is a Chinese citizen who refuses to give his name, and only posts about American racism,

      Stupidity is harder to deal with. I am always surprised that the Q-Anon people have figured out how to eat food. Not sure what to do there. Besides offering poisoned food next to safe food with the words "Democrat approved poison-free" on the safe food. The Q-Anon people would die in a week.

    • ... only information I agree with ...

      Demanding consent and obedience is not the same as devaluing disinformation. Now, society can't survive unless there is rule by consent, or extreme authoritarianism, which is why cultural norms tend to be dishonest. But there need to be limits on that dishonesty.

      US politics has been off the path of mostly-true, for a long time. The rich loved Reagan-ism and it became a cult that no-one was allowed to stop. As with any cult, as it gained more power, it had to hide more facts (eg. US imperialism, climat

    • by jma05 ( 897351 ) on Thursday April 21, 2022 @08:46PM (#62467328)

      This is nonsense. Disinformation is intentional factually wrong information used to further political goals, usually through organized campaigns. We don't need to get sophistic about it, disinformation is not opinion.

    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday April 21, 2022 @08:50PM (#62467338)
      Contrary to popular (right wing) belief there is such a thing as reality. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to lie to you.
    • Thanks to all the government documents released and all the investigations, we now know that President Obama KNEW the Trump-Russia Collusion narrative was false and made-up by Hillary Clinton's team while he was still President in the fall of 2016. For the entire years-long fight in the courts, in congress, in the press, and in the popular culture as Democrat-aligned media and social media companies pumped that info-poison into the arteries of American politics and culture, Obama KNEW it was "misinformation

    • "solving the disinformation problem" means "only information I agree with should be allowed"

      Oh, are you one of those crazy ivory tower philosophers we hear about one believes that all truth is an illusion?

      Personally, I believe the world is filled with facts. And getting the correct facts is really important. Giving incorrect facts qualifies as disinformation.

      Now, there's also more abstract concepts like "good" and "bad" that don't quite qualify as facts themselves, but they're often rooted in a proper collection of facts. For instance, "Bill shot Bob" sounds like Bill is bad, though "Bill shot Bob

  • "Obama Says Social Media Falsehoods Spur Skepticism on Politics" So the problem is not the fact that all American career politicians are just lying scumbags, it's that people tweet about stuff.

    Only remotely honest politician in my life time was Jimmy Carter and he was an awful president.

    • We should do away with the office of the President entirely. It's no longer a suitable position for decent people. And the system is rigged so that only the carefully chosen anointed are even offered the spot.

      In the Senate at least we know and accept that everyone is a scumbag. Somehow your average American thinks the President is above all that dirty D.C. politics.

  • by Ichijo ( 607641 ) on Thursday April 21, 2022 @06:38PM (#62467036) Journal

    Misinformation spreads 20 times faster than truth [slashdot.org]. This incentivizes social media to reward those who spread misinformation because "engagement," and discipline those who accuse others of lying because that's just not civil.

    So civility is valued more than truth, and moderators are More Devoted to Order Than to Justice [theatlantic.com].

    Slashdot treats misinformation and incivility roughly equally, but NextDoor for example has a way to report incivility but not misinformation except in very limited cases. I think that's why it's such a cesspool.

  • by t0qer ( 230538 ) on Thursday April 21, 2022 @07:31PM (#62467156) Homepage Journal

    The Watergate scandal was taught to me in the 80's as the moment the American public started to lose faith in the credibility of government. I guess the Vietnam war going on didn't help either, nor did veterans being denied medical care because the American government decided it was a police action, and not a war.

    The erosion of the voters faith in government started happening well before social media.

    • by drnb ( 2434720 )

      The Watergate scandal was taught to me in the 80's as the moment the American public started to lose faith in the credibility of government. I guess the Vietnam war going on didn't help either, nor did veterans being denied medical care because the American government decided it was a police action, and not a war.

      I think you let some disinformation slip in there at the end. Vietnam veterans were eligible for medical care, the determining factor was whether the medical issue was service related. not whether congress filled out the paperwork for a "war".

    • I remember covering the Watergate scandal in High School.

      I don't remember covering the Teapot Dome scandal, though. Which, once I found out about it, made me wonder why not.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

  • They need to all look in a mirror. Politics is dirty although the portrayal is supposed to be one of civil discourse and debate.
    There have been many lies over the 235 years since the constitution was first penned forming us into a Republic.
    What happens is that we don't hold those politicians accountable and by being accountable that means voting them out of office. It's a self-feeding issue, people get pissed off that politicians fail them and then don't vote. That's why incumbents in congress get routinely

    • 'Politicians are lazy fuckwads'

      Nah - they spend a lot of time asking donors for money, which is the real problem in our political systems (I'm a Brit, with the same problem).

  • by markjhood2003 ( 779923 ) on Thursday April 21, 2022 @08:10PM (#62467216)

    The need for advertising revenue drives the need for increasing user engagement, which leads users to rabbit holes filled with disinformation designed to keep them paying attention. Advertising also drives the need for personal data aggregation and analytics, negatively affecting privacy and security.

    Facebook seems to make about $50 per quarter per user in the US and Canada. So they wouldn't make as much with subscriptions as they do now with advertising, but it seems a fair tradeoff to me.

    • Facebook seems to make about $50 per quarter per user in the US and Canada.

      I'd pay $50/quarter to use a social media site that serves me, rather than serving me.

  • Honestly, I think slashdot is just a microcosm of the toxicity that is social media. Every single time I go to the comment section of this site I lose faith in humanity. Social media seems to remove certain parts of social interaction that are necessary for basic civility. It has become toxic beyond belief. And our lack of faith in people online has bled over to a lack of trust and respect for people in the real world. Itâ(TM)s enough to kill oneâ(TM)s faith in high tech for human betterment
  • It's not that. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 21, 2022 @08:19PM (#62467250)

    Nah, the thing that creates scepticism is Trump saying that he will release his tax returns, "lock her up", "drain the swamp", and then doing none of those things.

  • By the time Obama ran for office, US voters had become utterly disgusted with the whole system. He promised hope and change, and as a result, the Democrats were given one of the most sweeping victories in recent history. Even conservatives in traditionally Red states voted for him.

    What did Obama deliver to the people who trusted him? Mitt Romney's health care plan, and little else. He couldn't even get a Supreme Court justice confirmed. He proved to be a 100% corporate-owned tool of the corrupt system

  • This is leading to political skepticism among citizens

    Unless someone was counting on the gullibility of the electorate to get their own message across.

  • If free speech weakens democracy -- shouldn't fascist autocracies have MORE free speech -- not LESS?
  • But all the focus on social media misses the point that a huge part of the population in developed nations are totally incapable of critical reasoning and have very little scientific context to be able to discern fact from fiction.

    I hate to bring it to these guys, but paying teachers $40k a year is not going to do much more than pump generation after generation of Daily Mail readers and click bait consumers.
  • by groobly ( 6155920 ) on Friday April 22, 2022 @12:52PM (#62469178)

    It's Obama who spurs skepticism. Censors do not like truth or dissent.

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