House Republicans Demand Twitter's Board Preserve All Records About Elon Musk's Bid To Buy the Company (cnbc.com) 288
A group of 18 House Republicans is asking Twitter's board to preserve all records related to Elon Musk's offer to buy the company, setting up a potential congressional probe should the party win back the majority this fall. CNBC: In letters shared exclusively with CNBC, Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee asked Twitter Board Chairman Bret Taylor and other members of the board to preserve any messages from official or personal accounts, including through encryption software, that relate to Twitter's consideration of Musk's offer.
"As Congress continues to examine Big Tech and how to best protect Americans' free speech rights, this letter serves as a formal request that you preserve all records and materials relating to Musk's offer to purchase Twitter, including Twitter's consideration and response to this offer, and Twitter's evaluation of its shareholder interests with respect to Musk's offer," said the letter, led by Ranking Member Jim Jordan, R-Ohio.
"You should construe this preservation notice as an instruction to take all reasonable steps to prevent the destruction or alteration, whether intentionally or negligently, of all documents, communications, and other information, including electronic information and metadata, that is or may be potentially responsive to this congressional inquiry," the letter continued. The request signals that should Republicans take back the majority in the House in the 2022 midterm elections, they may launch an investigation into Twitter, especially if the company declines to take the offer from Musk.
"As Congress continues to examine Big Tech and how to best protect Americans' free speech rights, this letter serves as a formal request that you preserve all records and materials relating to Musk's offer to purchase Twitter, including Twitter's consideration and response to this offer, and Twitter's evaluation of its shareholder interests with respect to Musk's offer," said the letter, led by Ranking Member Jim Jordan, R-Ohio.
"You should construe this preservation notice as an instruction to take all reasonable steps to prevent the destruction or alteration, whether intentionally or negligently, of all documents, communications, and other information, including electronic information and metadata, that is or may be potentially responsive to this congressional inquiry," the letter continued. The request signals that should Republicans take back the majority in the House in the 2022 midterm elections, they may launch an investigation into Twitter, especially if the company declines to take the offer from Musk.
Is this legally binding? (Score:5, Insightful)
I would think that Congress has the power to make this kind of request. But I would think that it would need to come from a committee or to come from the whole chamber.
Does any house member has the power of making such a request that has legal backing?
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No, because they don't have a majority but they are giving fair notice of their January intentions and this would be on top of SarBox retention anyway, so they can expect rough treatment if they resist.
But by then the communications about the NY Post ban will be public record so it may hardly matter.
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so they can expect rough treatment if they resist
Twitter is going to get that no matter what. There's not a win. Best Twitter can do is to indicate that they follow every law on record keeping and if the Government wants more enhanced record keeping. . . . . . . . . . . They should pass a law that fucking says so.
It's "shut the fuck up Friday", let's not forget that working with the government in an investigation is never a benefit.
Re:Is this legally binding? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Just like the Jan 6 committee, they have no authority to investigate right?
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Bit of both. Congress can give itself the ability to investigate but they cannot charge or prosecute outside of their own fellow congresspeople, they will have to give their evidence to the DOJ to make that call and actually carry it out.
Re:Is this legally binding? (Score:5, Informative)
William MacCracken was detained (albeit in the Willard Hotel..) by the Senate Sergeant At Arms for 10 days after destroying evidence related to a Congressional subpoena.
Congress actually has very broad subpoena powers which are not subject to judicial review. I don't know how far they could get if they decided to get heavily invested in the business of enforcing contempt of Congress, to include things like arrest and detention, but it would be kind of interesting if it happened. I suspect the risks of political backlash from the public and partisan retaliation is the most likely reasons they haven't.
That being said, it would definitely be popcorn time if it happened, especially to a CEO or some other unlikable figure.
Re:Is this legally binding? (Score:4, Interesting)
Yeah it's definitely hazy but as I understand it (IANAL) their power to say imprison extends from their subpoena power and what takes place in relation to that. Like if you perjure in front of Congress they can detain you but if you do it in another setting Congress can't do jack.
I know a number of Trump people defied Congressional subpoenas and didn't really see any consequences but like you said was it they legally couldnt or they didn't want the backlash of enforcing it?
A lot of this isn't really encoded clearly either, much of it built on norms and lot's of it is written but never tested so if they did decide to move forward it would probably end up going to the courts and that takes years, Don McGahn being a very apt example. Popcorn time to be sure if they decide to start pushing the limits.
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William MacCracken was detained (albeit in the Willard Hotel..) by the Senate Sergeant At Arms for 10 days after destroying evidence related to a Congressional subpoena.
Any relation to the Cracken Trump's people wanted to unleash after the election? :-)
[And where *is* that beast anyway?]
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Because beating police officers with fire extinguishers, flag poles, batons and fists [nbcnews.com], using bear spray and pepper spray [cnn.com] on police officers, attempting to break down secured doors is all very peaceful, right?
I guess when the right attacks police [nbcnews.com] it's free expression but when BLM defends themselves they're terrorists.
it was a mostly peaceful protest, and should be protected exactly the same amount.
Bullshit. You can sto
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Maybe you should spend less time watching fake news.
https://time.com/5886348/repor... [time.com]
It turns out when you look at the numbers BLM was pretty peaceful.
Utterly irrelevant. (Score:5, Informative)
On take over bids, tender bids, hostile takeovers, etc, etc, it's *already* legally mandatory to keep all records.
This is just grand standing and pretending to care.
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They don't care, they're just signalling "outrage".
This is the platform that banned their boss and now it's being bought by a democrat is all.
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> bought by a democrat
If Musk is still (or ever was) registered as a democrat, he's one in name only. Just look at his antics of late, starting with the COVID denialism and relocation of Tesla to Texas*.
* (Well... his desire and efforts to pack it all up and move Tesla to Texas anyway. He's had a lot of the Deer Creek people refuse to relocate and... surprise... it turned out that it'd be ridiculously expensive to pack up NUMI, ship all the equipment, reassemble the production lines, hire and train rep
Re:Utterly irrelevant. (Score:4, Interesting)
"Politically, Musk has described himself as "half Democrat, half Republican" and "I'm somewhere in the middle, socially liberal and fiscally conservative."[3] In 2018, he stated that he was "not a conservative. I'm registered independent [and] politically moderate."
Musk is mainly a get-out-of-my-way-ative in my mind
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If not legally binding, it is probably going to be a good idea to heed the request.
It is basically saying to Twitter, "We are probably going to bring up a congressional inquiry about this. So you better keep your records, and make sure you do this by all the rules, as we will try to dig up any dirt to make your lives miserable"
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We are probably going to bring up a congressional inquiry about this. So you better keep your records, and make sure you do this by all the rules, as we will try to dig up any dirt to make your lives miserable
Congress is already going to make their lives miserable. There's not a stopping that. But Twitter can do whatever they want to do with their records in accordance with Sox regulation. Outside of that Twitter has every right to tell Congress to pound sand. If they want more record keeping, they should. . . . . . . . Pass a law requiring that.
There's no part of this that makes it a good idea to listen to this. Because even doing so grants Congress the ability to say "well you did it there, why would you
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This is culture war ammo-gathering, worst-case scenario the request itself has already gained them a little.
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Putting aside how I actually feel about the politics, companies and individuals involved this direction is contrary to actual free speech. Given that they are declaring the purpose to "to best protect Americans' free speech rights" I feel they are either woefully uninformed about those rights or deliberately being wrong. The free speech rights that they claim to be protecting aren't about private companies providing services to private individuals. They are about protecting private individuals and compan
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Why should they have to make a preservation request in the first place? All such communications should be preserved anyway, right?
Congress does have the right to request it too. Officers of a publicly-traded company have a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders first and foremost. If anything else this will help preserve records for the inevitable shareholder lawsuit if the bid is rejected.
Official communications and especially board meeting minutes sure. But personal emails and text messages? That stuff only becomes available in legal proceedings and even then, I suspect a shareholder lawsuit wouldn't get into personal messages.
I do agree with others in questioning the legal teeth behind this letter. If the minority party on a committee doesn't have subpoena power then they don't have "preserve documents in case of an investigation" power.
Perhaps if board members started deleting stuff BECAU
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Well first of all, Congress's role is largely legislative. If it wants to make sure all communications by a board, both through official channels and through private ones, then it can pass a law requiring that. Then it's up to the Executive branch to enforce that law, with the caveat that Congress can subpoena and has some limited teeth so far as finding people in contempt, but again, if Congress has not in fact passed a law requiring this extent of record keeping by any board of directors, then I posit tha
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I'm not an American, but my understanding is that congress has the ability to subpoena and call people to testify because it potentially needs that information to write legislation (though it's generally just preformative).
I'm not even sure they can find people in contempt as much as refer matters to the DOJ who is then responsible for investigating and laying any criminal charges. This was an issue under Trump since officials generally ignored congressional subpoenas the official DOJ response to this blata
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The fiduciary duty of the board to the shareholders would fall under the domain of the SEC (or private shareholder lawsuits) not some grandstanding congress-critter
Re:Is this legally binding? (Score:5, Informative)
The fiduciary duty of the board to the shareholders would fall under the domain of the SEC (or private shareholder lawsuits) not some grandstanding congress-critter
You're not wrong, but the notice of possible legal action obligates the legal hold regardless.
The SEC is a creation of Congress (Score:3)
The SEC is a creation of Congress, created by Congress to carry out laws passed by Congress. Similarly the FTC and others. Any power the SEC or FTC has can come from only two sources:
A. Congress delegated some of their power
B. The US Constitution directly
The Constitution doesn't have a mergers and acquisitions clause, so all power the SEC has is power delegated to it by Congress.
In order to properly make such laws, including laws creating new agencies if needed, Congress has the power to hold investigative
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It's Obstructing an official proceeding, it's not Obstruction of Justice.
Justice, notably, is not one of the powers Congress has to delegate. They merely allocate money for the Executive organs that do.
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Why should they have to make a preservation request in the first place? All such communications should be preserved anyway, right?
They do not have to make a preservation request; however, Twitter being on notice to preserve the records will have much less wiggle room if they do not have the records later. "Oh you said to preserve the records and not to destroy them? Our bad!" will not really work.
Republi-who? (Score:4, Insightful)
Bunch of hypocrites... "Government doesn't belong in business, except when I want something!"
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Don't worry - these Republicans just send angry letters - they never do anything anyway.
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They fucked up the FCC pretty badly last time. If Trump had had another term I imagine Section 230 would have been gone by now.
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I'd like to think that since all the "repeal 230" fervor seems to have died down to vague threats instead of that very specific one that some smarter people told them that repealing 230 would probably be a disaster without something similar taking its place.
Of course coming up with that "something else" is hard work so I have not seen it yet.
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they never do anything anyway.
they love to interfere in people's life in the bedroom however
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If you mean keeping 3rd-graders out of your bedroom, then yes they'll interfere.
Really? My goddamned kids always did get up too early and wake us up. I should've voted Republican.
Re:Republi-who? (Score:5, Informative)
Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.
Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman* was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks* was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
Republican preacher Stephen White*, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
Republican politician Andrew Buhr* was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.
Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.
Republican County Councilman Keola Childs* pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on
Re: Republi-who? (Score:2)
You forgot to mic drop at the end of that
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While less dramatic, wouldn't it be way easier to list Republicans *not* charged with, convicted of, or accused of ignoring [*cough* Jim Jordan (R-OH) *cough*] child sex crimes? [I'll wait...]
Re:Republi-who? (Score:5, Informative)
I’m too old for them.
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If you mean keeping 3rd-graders out of your bedroom, then yes they'll interfere.
Incorrect right-wing talking point is incorrect. Here's the text from Florida's actual bill (emphasis mine):
3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.
The state sets the standards and those standards apply to all grades. This clip from Revenge of the Nerds II [youtube.com] explains the problem
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Trying to pretend that 1st Amendment rights apply to private companies seems to be their thing these days.
It's interesting that none of the right wing social media sites have managed to gain traction, and that Musk is willing to spend over $40 billion to buy Twitter instead of setting up his own social network.
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Truth is that if Twitter had the censorship policies conservatives claim it has, it'd be extremely unattractive as an acquisition for Musk, because it would have already been destroyed by the same network affects that prevented Parler et al from getting any traction. Musk, indeed, would probably, at this point, not even be on Twitter.
Maybe it's more a thing of "if we can't have it, no one can." If Republicans can't have their functional social network that adequately platforms their goals for authoritarianism, then they want to deprive everyone else of having their social network that adequately platforms their goals for democracy and freedom of the press.
Re:Republi-who? (Score:5, Informative)
The truly ridiculous thing is that, right up until their attempted coup d'etat last year, the republicans were openly favored by twitter, with Jack Dorsey citing a "policy" that it was "in the public interest" to let the right spew their bile unchecked.
Someone even tested that experimentally: A liberal activist started reposting, verbatim, the tweets of the former orangutan-in-chief. One account was shut down for being abusive in violation of Twitters ToS. The other was allowed to continue posting unabated until after the 1/6 coup attempt. Care to guess which was which?
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Just like the My Body My Choice chants about vaccines.
The government can’t tell me what to do!
Oh so you’re cool with abortion then? How about me smoking pot? Wait I thought you didn’t like the government telling you what to do
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Pot? Hey, long as I don't have to smell it, smoke whatever you want. If I can smell it, you'd better have enough to share with the whole class.
Abortion? Never had one, never will. Got no skin in the game. With that said, the Right
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Exactly, because their view is a religious view and under the Constitution has no bearing whatsoever. They are free to not have abortions based on their religion (many do anyway but let's not call out them as hyp
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Bunch of hypocrites... "Government doesn't belong in business, except when I want something!"
They did the same thing to Disney. Republicans didn't have a single problem with the company until it bit into a free peach.
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The Judicial System is responsible for interpreting legal contracts, when necessary.
Totalitarians seem to confuse "free market" with "evil in need of oversight".
Governments exist to provide the framework within free enterprise takes place. Governments provide courts to settle disputes. So far, I don't hear either Elon Musk or Twitter's Board of Dire
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If this isn’t micro managing then I don’t know what is.
They can ASK all they want. (Score:2)
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Hillary Clinton approves of this message.
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I hope so. She never attempted a coup against the US Government. Donald Trump can't make such a claim, can he?
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What would you call the Russia-Collusion narrative and the Steele Dossier?
But she did destroy evidence of a crime that was under congressional subpoena, but I guess that crime is cool with you, because it was Hillary committing it.
As for the accusation of a coup, you are on pretty shaky legal ground there, since he had nothing to do with any coup attempt, but you already knew that, you just wanted to do a "whatabout" that had nothing to do with the original comment.
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I'll just leave this here so you can read the legal analysis where Mueller's report said literally the opposite of what you just said.
https://www.americanbar.org/ne... [americanbar.org]
Mueller's report said there was no evidence found for the collusion narrative, and now Durham has been tracking that narrative back to Hillary's campaign, through their lawyer. But yeah, sure keep believing the disinformation Hillary used to tar Trump with, and attempt a coup to a duly elected President of the United States.
This is all still
Re: They can ASK all they want. (Score:2)
The Russia collusion narrative? You mean when Putin helped his lapdog get elected by spreading misinformation and the people who fell for it are still rabidly defending the easily disprovable "facts" that they're still being fed?
Yeah, that's a pretty serious issue that's destroying this country, but we should clearly concentrate more on her emails than his call logs.
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The Russia collusion narrative?
Yeah, that one, the one that didn't happen and was a plant of the Hillary Campaign through their lawyer. Since there was no collusion, Durham has been finding all the people that fed into that lie, and has been slowly indicting them. The narrative that the Mueller report completely debunked. Good to see you still like to listen to all that propaganda that was used to try to overthrow a duly elected president of the United States in an attempted coup by the DNC, and Hillary.
I still don't have any understa
Terrible link. Terrible. (Score:2)
"Scary"? You, sir, are a master of understatement.
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Yes, conservapedia is good for some laughs, until you realize that some people rely on it for "real information"
So pass legislation (Score:2)
You're in Congress, you have the tools to enact the change you want. Write up a "Social Media Free Speech" bill and use it as a talking point for the midterms and when you (likely) take control in November pass it and make Biden sign it or veto it. If this is nearly as important and popular an issue as they have been making it out to be it's time to put your values on the table in actual, actionable terms. This is just empty posturing otherwise.
Do as we say, not as we do (Score:5, Insightful)
This is coming from the party who's most recent president regularly flushed documents down the toilet or kept them in Mar-A-Lago rather than allow them to be archived.
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Holy crap, I've just made the case that Twitter is more trustworthy than Donald J. Trum
Oh dear (Score:2)
Next thing you know, they'll be calling hearings to grill Twitter execs about the content on their platform, clearly chilling free speech! They're out of control!
The world has gone mad (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm frequently amazed at how seriously people take Twitter.
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I'm frequently amazed at how seriously people take Twitter.
If you're actually amazed and not just engaging in hyperbole, I have to conclude that you're an idiot.
However it got there, Twitter has become the nation's de facto public square. It's not where everyone talks, but it's where all of the powerful people talk. Politicians, prominent businesspeople, journalists, pundits... pretty much all of the people that shape public opinion are not only on Twitter, Twitter is their primary public forum. Facebook is there, too, but it's distinctly lower-tier.
Consider Tr
Is Musk an Extreme Leftist or Extreme Rightist (Score:4, Interesting)
Musk is a wildcard, especially in this highly partisan culture that cropped up. The idea that someone has radical leftist and radical right views, and are not in conflict seems odd to many, as they have been ingrained to follow the party line.
Being that everyone talks about how great free speech is, however in practice they will work hard to restrict the speech of those who disagree with them. The Right is just as bad as the Left with this. With Cancel Culture, Political Boycotts, Book Banning, Setting up their own service to choose what is posted and what is blocked...
Musk is a wildcard, if he controls twitter, and his recent tweets about the 10% of the extremists on both sides, being the problem, I expect for the politicians and especially the Right as they currently have a higher rate of elected extremist then the currently more moderate left (This does indeed swap back and forth over they generations) I expect they are a bit worried with Musk not giving a clear path for them to post their views, as they will be afraid they will be censored over the more moderate left. However, the left is probably not happy with Musk as well, as he sometimes shares views that are counter to their politics as well, and would be worried that Twitter can become a more major misinformation spreading tool.
Re:Is Musk an Extreme Leftist or Extreme Rightist (Score:5, Interesting)
Which makes sense, as most Americans are not easy to fit into neat little boxes. For instance, I'm a fairly devout Catholic midwesterner. So:
Death penalty: no. Oh, I must be a Democrat.
State power over federal power: yes. Oh, I must be a Republican.
Social safety net: yes. Oh, I must be a Democrat.
Abortion: no. Oh, I must be a Republican.
People like me love Musk because he exposes a simple truth: most people are polarized group thinkers, and we appreciate someone exploding the categories publicly and explicitly.
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we appreciate someone exploding the categories publicly and explicitly
I wish I had mod points today, because I think you make a good point.
With Musk, above all I find one thing particularly fascinating: the broadening of his appeal from a *political* standpoint. A few years ago he got very little respect from right wing groups. He was the face of green energy, a punching bag for people propping up the fossil fuel status quo. There's still some of that left today, from people saying that electric cars and renewable energy are ridiculous because [fill in the blank]. When Trump
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Right now Musk is an extreme Rightist because he is rich and businessing.
Someone who doesn't strictly align their opinions with a party line? Unpossible.
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I remember when I was considered an extreme conservative - I felt firmly that our government shouldn't spend money it didn't have. I knew in my heart that the National Debt should never have been permitted and must be eliminated as quickly as possible. And . . . no, I didn't especially care much about fairness, equality, or human rights if they interfered with business - certainly not if fixing a problem was going to cost us money.
By comparison to today's batch of "conservat
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100% agree. The Republican party platform is literally "whatever the opposite of the democrats is" because that's how politicians win elections now.
Fiscal responsibility? Respect for the constitution? Restraint on law enforcement? These have gone right out the window. The truth is, they went out the window a long time ago but the republicans were more on par with how the democrats operate now - a faint sheen of their supposed values to cover up their naked pandering to campaign donors. For the republi
Re:Is Musk an Extreme Leftist or Extreme Rightist (Score:5, Interesting)
Musk isn't an extreme anything. He's a relatively normal person with opinions that aren't influenced by one particular 'side' or 'party' with a very very big hammer.
And he likes poking at things and people.
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Well being the Richest Person in the world, does make him Extremely Rich!
Also with extreme wealth, it does distant him from the us normies.
In previous jobs, I would work with the Companies CEO and other super highly paid individuals. They weren't monsters or jerks, they were actually rather nice, however they don't quite get how those in the middle class live, I had one CEO telling me that I should upgrade my (rather nice) Toyota to a Mercedes, I explained it wasn't quite in my budget, and he was like oh th
Re:Is Musk an Extreme Leftist or Extreme Rightist (Score:5, Insightful)
Being that everyone talks about how great free speech is, however in practice they will work hard to restrict the speech of those who disagree with them. The Right is just as bad as the Left with this. With Cancel Culture, Political Boycotts, Book Banning, Setting up their own service to choose what is posted and what is blocked...
I really don't understand your equivalence here. How is the "Left" "working hard to restrict the speech of those who disagree with them"? The "Stop the Steal" crap that was going is nothing but fraud, libel and slander. It's not actionable because they use it on such a general basis, ie the Republicans say "The Democrats rigged the election!" instead of "Paul Blake rigged the election!", however they have run into some trouble by naming Smartmatic and Dominion directly. Otherwise, they have no evidence of this election rigging by Democrats (I would say there is plenty of evidence that TFG's administration rigged the election in collusion with several state governments...), but say they do. Those are clearly misrepresentations of facts, intended to influence people to action, and it's not simply individuals speaking but people speaking from positions of power, as the holders of those positions.
I'm sorry, but I'm just not going to support fraud, libel and slander as free speech [wikipedia.org]. Fuck that. Party of "law and order"? Try party of "false witness".
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Of course someone who'd feign ignorance of how the left is working hard to dictate speech [thehill.com], and censor those they don't like, would say that.
Hey look at you, trying to equivocate peoples' (not "the Left", but a few groups of people) opinions with *fraud*, and then applying the "censor" label to the whole thing. False equivalence to the extreme. Let's go over it quick.
In my example with the "Stop the Steal", you have people in authority (in fact the clear majority of the Republican reps in both the House and the Senate, not to mention all the reps at the state level) clearly lying to their "base" to convince them to perform actions and give them
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In all of these situations you are trying to equate small individual actions of private entities, with the exception of Berkeley where I'm like WTF with that whole thing as they plainly were discussing something as an actual requirement, with "The Left". I'm complaining about the deeply disturbing actions of just about the entire Republican leadership and broadly their candidates and local representatives across the board. And you're like "but but but Twitter did this one thing!", like an action from Twitte
It's a publicly traded company. Of course they are (Score:3)
Twitter is a publicly traded company. Of course they are going to retain all of those records. Any way this falls out, someone is going to sue Twitter (because this is America and suing is what we do) and all of those documents are going to be discoverable. Destroying those documents now would be a big legal no-no.
Naturally (Score:2)
Twitter is one of the politician's best friends when it comes to keep people focused on their superficial opinions on wedge issues. I can see why this concerns congress greatly. You don't want society rolling back towards thoughtful opinions and reasoned debate.
Elon Musk doesn't care about free speech (Score:4, Insightful)
Musk cares about Musk. Nothing and nobody else. House Republicans are the same. And like Musk they talk a good game about free speech but they're the first to call for "cancellations" when Disney poo-pooed their Don't Say Gay law.
One wonders then what's actually going on here. My guess is they just want some dirt on Musk they can leverage. We're entering a phase of Kleptocracy similar to what China and Russia have, where the gov't and mega corporations are vying for power with us caught in the crossfire.
Now would be a real good time to put a stop to that by increasing access to voting rights so that we can prevent the consolidation of power...
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Republicans believe that Twitter censors them and spreads liberal views more readily than their own. Musk has some sympathy from them because he criticized COVID restrictions and complained about Netflix wokeness.
I think they may be making incorrect assumptions on both points.
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And what do democrats think that Musk will do if he owned the company? Probably some similar conspiracy, right?
Musk doesn't have sympathy for anyone (Score:2)
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They never cancelled anyone. Disney said that they are going to push and back specific politicians who support their agendas. Well, Disney has special rights that allow them to self-govern themselves as if they were a territory. So, Florida removed that status and they are now subject to Florida laws and taxes. If Disney is going to fund and influence Florida politicians, then why shouldn't they be a part of Florida's governing politics? Do you have any reasonable answer? Do you think it's if Russia funds
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I mean in the parlance of reddit, ESH (everybody sucks here).
Disney are a self governing territory because what the actual fuck how the hell did that happen what the fuck, America. The republicans are then using political force to punish a company which doesn't toe the party line. This is a colossal abuse of power and should be massively condemned. Especially as it's clear that the Republicans mean "free to say Republican things" when they say "free speech" and it appears that they will use the force of law
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Disney is most likely "self governing" (Score:2)
You didn't think a mega corporation was going to lose anything, did you? I mean, you will note there's been zero talk of them ceasing donations to Republican politicians...
That said, I do think they're playing with fire. They're helping dem
How sharp was the knife (Score:2)
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And we all know the story about that guy from the Philipeans who made Musk look foolish for suggesting a dumb idea and who's life was destroyed by Musk.
No, I've never heard of that story. Unless Musk has a hit squad, it seems the worse he's done is to call a cave rescue diver a "pedo guy" [bbc.com], for which he was promptly sued:
Speaking to reporters outside the courtroom after the jury reached its decision, Mr Musk said: "My faith in humanity is restored."
What about corporate freedoms? (Score:5, Insightful)
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An imperfect comparison, but vaguely applicable, I think. Righties like to laugh at Lefties when they stupidly try to control government and big business, but it sure makes Righties cry when they find out they can't, either!.
At least, there is symmetry. More crying than laughing, but still symmetry.
Emotional, tendentious purging (Score:3)
Feel better now?
Sometimes I too feel that passing a hefty strawman to start the day really helps me think positively about myself and the people around me.
It's just so damned refreshing!
Twitter Strategy (Score:2)
If Twitter doesn't want Musk to buy them, they should move really quickly to fight scam bots and to add an edit button. That way Musk gets the two features he most wants, and Twitter's board doesn't lose control. They could even offer Musk a position as Chief New Feature Engineer.
The problem for comedians. (Score:3)
The problem with the US government right now is they've effectively become their own lampooners. You can't make the situation more ridiculous than reality. Look at how laughs were generated about the former president. SNL was funny not because they exaggerated him - they were funny because they were so clearly accurate. Jon Stewart got cheap laughs about McConnell looking like a turtle because there was no way to make his actions more ridiculous for the humour.
. Now this isn't specifically a republican problem - it's across the board. You can't make these politicians any more self-centred, hypocritical, short-sighted, bigoted, myopic, or more incapable of introspection than they actually are. There's no room left for quality humour - all that remains is low hanging fruit, and petty attacks.
The degree varies, of course. Biden idles in the middle somewhere, while Cruz absolutely buries the needle.
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Re: DefiantL's will keep all the records we need (Score:2)
January 2020 is a far greater concern than whatever the hell you think happened in 2016, and there are a LOT of records that are conveniently "missing".
Why do YOU hate America so much that you're still supporting a treasonous wannabe dictator?
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