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Meta Says EU Was Like 'Fishing Trawler' in Antitrust Data Hunt (bloomberg.com) 69

Meta Platforms accused the European Union's antitrust authority of acting like "a fishing super trawler" by netting vast amounts of "wholly irrelevant" documents in an attempt to build a case against the U.S. tech giant. From a report: The commission was "hoovering up the whole sea bed -- with the intention that it will later see what species of rare fish it finds within its vast nets," Daniel Jowell, a lawyer for Meta, told a five-judge panel of the EU General Court in Luxembourg on Wednesday in a clash that turns the tables on regulators who often express concerns over data-collection practices of Meta's Facebook social network.

Meta accused the commission of refusing to engage with the firm and ignoring its suggested alternatives to render the data requests more "proportionate" and limited to what is necessary. Instead, the commission "sailed obliviously onward," using a "mechanical application of its search terms despite being on notice of the vast number of irrelevant documents this was bound to give rise to," Jowell told the court.

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Meta Says EU Was Like 'Fishing Trawler' in Antitrust Data Hunt

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  • by Akardam ( 186995 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @10:49AM (#62583358)

    ... to further its own earnings, and influence over the lives of millions/billions of people, complains when someone else gathers as much data as they can about the company.

    Now that's comedy.

    • by 2TecTom ( 311314 )

      ... Now that's comedy.

      Not just comedy, corruption and deep denial as well.

      • by wgoodman ( 1109297 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @11:49AM (#62583524)

        Another abuser pretending they're the victim.

    • Coming here to say exactly the same thing.

      Data hoovering for me, not for thee.

      • by GoTeam ( 5042081 )

        Coming here to say exactly the same thing.

        Data hoovering for me, not for thee.

        meta: You don't get it man! They're looking into our personal conversations and business dealings! We demand our privacy be respected!
        Everyone on the planet: ...sounds terrible... karma's a bitch

    • by argStyopa ( 232550 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @12:13PM (#62583592) Journal

      Just because Meta did it, doesn't mean it's appropriate for the EU to do it.

      In fact, one might be slightly more suspicious of the data collection and use policies of a government entity (which has a disturbing level of non-elected bureaucrats wielding tremendous regulatory power) doing it, than a social media company who can be largely avoided voluntarily by any reasonable person.

      • As has been said all thru history, "Live by the sword, die by the sword". In this case the not a physical one, but mass data collection. And avoiding Meta is quite difficult. I do, I think, but only after going thru disabling it on my phone(I never installed, default app), blocking them in cookies, blocking them in noscript, and carefully reviewing cookies on a fairly regular bases. Most reasonable people do not have the skills to avoid meta. And even with everything I've done, I'd bet they have a shadow pr
        • If one person has your email address in an address book and willingly clicked that stupid, "upload all my info for to better give all data to zuck" button, you're profiled.

      • No one, including Meta, is accusing the EU of doing that though. Meta is just accusing the EU antitrust ministry of doing the research that they should be doing.
      • By your reasoning could Meta not have easily avoided the EU data collection simply by not being evil douchebags?
        • Evil douchebags.. how, specifically? And without begging the question with "they collected muh data!". What specific evil actions has Meta taken that have specifically harmed you or someone you know, or someone you don't know?
          • > Evil douchebags.. how, specifically?

            Amplifying the reach of extremists views to maximize advertising revenue?

            • So.. facilitating free speech by douchebags. Gotcha. Those evil bastards!
              • > So.. facilitating free speech by douchebags. Gotcha. Those evil bastards!

                So.. no.

                Facebook promoting extremisms for free isn't about facilitating free speech when individuals already have free speech.

                Calling what FB does evil is maybe hyperbole but that's also a matter of aesthetics or rhetorical positioning.

          • Failing to line up with the world's media against Trump, basically.

            They DID allow CA to collect the same sort of data collected during Obama II campaign, when /they/ were lauded for 'leveraging data' to ensure that 'as many people voted as possible'.

            But I mean, Trump is evil. I hear he eats babies.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        The big difference is that Meta did it to people while the EU is investigating a company.

        Also from TFA: The number of documents the commission received from Meta at the start “was very limited,” which is why the EU changed its approach.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        EU simply following the examples from the US 'in'Justice Dept.

      • Just because Meta did it, doesn't mean it's appropriate for the EU to do it.

        You don't think it's appropriate for a regulator to request information about how a regulated company runs it's business? What next, cops should issue speeding fines, but not be allowed to use any means of determining what speed you're travelling?

        Sorry kiddo, a company has to abide by rules and regulations for operating in a jurisdiction, and regulators have the authority to request whatever information they need for the purpose of ensuring the regulations are met. This isn't personal information of people

        • Sure. But the EU does have a long and ignoble history of legislative and regulatory overreach in general and harassment of US tech companies in particular. So, leopards not changing their spots and all that, it's not implausible that they're doing so in this case as well. Also:

          > rules and regulations for operating in a jurisdiction

          The EU also has a long and ignoble of exporting their rules outside their jurisdiction, which I consider to be even worse. So I'm not very inclined to give them the benefi

          • by UpnAtom ( 551727 )

            But the EU does have a long and ignoble history of legislative and regulatory overreach

            Source?

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        What bizarre conspiracy involves the EU's antitrust authority collecting documents for some purpose other than an antitrust investigation?

        Aside from anything else, if they did that it would cause the legal case to collapse and Facebook to send them a very large legal bill. It would also likely result in the people involved losing their jobs.

        And yes, un-elected civil servants do wield regulatory power, that's how regulations work in every country. Since when have elected politicians done that work? How many

      • by mjwx ( 966435 )

        Just because Meta did it, doesn't mean it's appropriate for the EU to do it.

        In fact, one might be slightly more suspicious of the data collection and use policies of a government entity (which has a disturbing level of non-elected bureaucrats wielding tremendous regulatory power) doing it, than a social media company who can be largely avoided voluntarily by any reasonable person.

        Quite,

        One is a merciless organisation answerable to no one with zero interest in your safety or well being, utterly corrupt and self perpetuating who is willing to abuse your private data to it's own benefit regardless of the harm...

        And the other is the EU.

        BTW, if you think you can avoid Facebook, let alone easily then you clearly have not been paying attention. That's a large part of the reason they're being investigated by the EU.

    • It's almost like when you go out of your way to piss off government and offer no apologies about it, that government finds a way to fuck you back; and their fucking will be far worse because they own the tax code and legal system.

    • Actually, it's schadenfreude and couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of assholes.

    • My Ironimeter is smoking . . . anyone else's?
    • So that's what META really stands for ...

      Money
      Earned
      Trawling
      All

      or

      Mark's
      Earnings
      Totally
      Aloof

      =P

    • It's poetic.
  • by UnknownSoldier ( 67820 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @10:55AM (#62583372)

    A company that trawled AND profited off selling people's private data is whining that the EU was trawling their data?

    Pot, meet Kettle.

    Here is the world's smallest violin for Meta --> .

    • The commission was "hoovering up the whole sea bed

      Yes, because they know that's where Facebook hides things.

  • Prior Art (Score:4, Informative)

    by Errol backfiring ( 1280012 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @10:58AM (#62583378) Journal

    Dear antitrust authority,

    Please watch this [media.ccc.de] before you give in to them. And then check if they have done anything in the meantime to be less intrusive.

  • because they aren't "getting off the hook" this time.

  • So? (Score:2, Informative)

    "a fishing super trawler" by netting vast amounts of "wholly irrelevant" documents in an attempt to build a case against the U.S. tech giant.

    Nevermind the method: if they find the dirt on Facebook, it'll have been my tax money put to excellent use and I'm all for it.

    Oh and yes, as always, it bears repeating: it's FACEBOOK, not Meta. Meta is the fake holding company Facebook has put together to evade taxes and make everybody believe it's something more than just horrid Facebook. Incidentally, similarly, it's GOOGLE, not Alphabet.

    • by Sebby ( 238625 )

      Oh and yes, as always, it bears repeating: it's FACEBOOK, not Meta. Meta is the fake holding company Facebook has put together to evade taxes and make everybody believe it's something more than just horrid Facebook.

      I just think that "Meta" stands for "Metastasize", since it describes Facebook and its other privacy raping properties perfectly.

    • Exactly, to me this just sounds like Meta is accusing EU of doing the research that EU should do.
  • by Impy the Impiuos Imp ( 442658 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @11:05AM (#62583404) Journal

    What part of "Worldwide, and through all human history, people go into politics to get in the way, to get paid to get back out of the way" do people not understand?

    Once in power, of course, there's skimming off the top in one of a thousand ways.

    In 1990, the BBC had articles about massive protests of college students in India. Seems the government had set aside something like 50% of new jobs for the lower castes. The students were protesting against this.

    I thought it odd. In the US, they would protest in favor of it. I asked some Indian colleagues (we were all on contract in Europe on the same project.)

    "You have to understand," he said, "in India, you go into government to get wealthy and make a better life for yourself and your family."

    He then gave an example, "If you can become the guy for a region who approves new buildings, you have it made. The standard 'fee' is 10% of the cost of a new building."

    In western countries with a free press, they have to hide it a little better. When was the last time you had to take an extra $200 down to the DMV or be prepared to wait years for your driver's license?

  • by Sebby ( 238625 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @11:22AM (#62583440)

    It's really cute how a privacy rapist is whining about having its own privacy raped.

    Let me grab some popcorn...

  • From a sleazy corporation like Metastasis, this is a compliment.

  • "Metastasize"

  • Your corporate data may be collected and shared with our affiliated countries as outlined by our privacy policy to enhance your regulatory experience.

  • by RitchCraft ( 6454710 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @11:44AM (#62583510)
    Now bend over and take it like a man. Stop squealing pig.
  • They are grabbing every needle in every haystack. We can't hide our crimes. OH NOOO!

    I had to shorten my NOOO to be acceptable to slashdot. If it got rid of the ascii nazi I guess thats okay.
  • Trolling data and selling it, is what Facebook is about.
  • Pot, meet Kettle.
  • ...but we pwn them in the data-collection stakes. ooh rah!

  • Ask any trawler.
    You extra secrets will be transformed into cat-food.

    • And, bycatch is regulated. Catching too much salmon with your pollock or sablefish with you hake can shut you right down.
  • If you are investigating how FB has acquired, retained, and sold massive amounts of data, what would you think about Facebook whining that large tranches should be off limits to your investigators?
  • Reading this thread is hilarious. Facebook may be an even greater enemy of crybaby, whiny SlashDweebs than even Microsoft. I don't think Facebook cares about your "natalie portman hot gritz" and "removing cheetoh stains from your dick" web searches, you can relax about your precious "data", lol.
  • Fuck Meta. Fuck Facebook. Fuck Zuckerberg.

  • What's really funny this morning is a second article about a researcher who went into their VR thing and was "sexually assaulted" within the hour.

    Funny, (he hastened to say) only because of F's response: all the EXACT same words they use about online verbal abuses: "we have a policy; we're working on it; give us time". Everything but the word "algorithm".

    Funny because, all this was built AFTER they'd taken all the criticism for online abuse, and promised fixes on the way. So they build something all rea

  • ...that the EU is indiscriminately sucking up data.

    Meta owes me a new irony meter. They broke this one.

  • So the regulators are sucking up vast quantities of data about Meta in the same way that Meta sucks up vast quantities of data on people?

    Sounds fair to me.

  • As meta hovers up vast amounts of data including on people who don't have accounts nor use their products! Of course it's always an error (in their favour) when there is an outcry.

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