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Smartphones Will Kill Off the DSLR Within Three Years, Says Sony (techradar.com) 203

Smartphone cameras and DSLRs have been moving in opposite directions for the past few years, and image quality from phones will finally trump that of their single-lens reflex rivals by 2024, according to Sony. From a report: As reported by Nikkei Japan, the President and CEO of Sony Semiconductor Solutions (SSS), Terushi Shimizu, told a business briefing that "we expect that still images [from smartphones] will exceed the image quality of single-lens reflex cameras within the next few years." Some fascinating slides presented during the briefing were even more specific, with one slide showing that, according to Sony, "still images are expected to exceed ILC [interchangeable lens camera] image quality" sometime during 2024. Those are two slightly different claims, with 'ILCs' also including today's mirrorless cameras, alongside the older DSLR tech that most camera manufacturers are now largely abandoning. But the broader conclusion remains -- far from hitting a tech ceiling, smartphones are expected to continue their imaging evolution and, for most people, make standalone cameras redundant.
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Smartphones Will Kill Off the DSLR Within Three Years, Says Sony

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  • by nwaack ( 3482871 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @03:45PM (#62584450)
    They seem to be forgetting one big thing - the zoom functionality of smartphones suck.
    • by cb88 ( 1410145 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @03:49PM (#62584460)
      Sensor size of smartphones also suck... no way around it they just can't capture as much light as a APS-C or full frame sensor meaning lower performance in every regard.
      • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @04:57PM (#62584682)

        There are quantum limits to what you can do with a small sensor, but it's less of a limitation than most people think.

        The amount of light gathered is limited by the size of the front lens element, which is the real limitation. It also happens to determine the maximum resolution, so it gets you twice.

    • by OzPeter ( 195038 )

      They seem to be forgetting one big thing - the zoom functionality of smartphones suck.

      I’m a non professional, and no smart phone is going to replace my 600 mm lens (which with a 1.5 crop factor on my DLSR gives me a 900 mm equivalent zoom)

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      There are phones with optical zoom now. The have a motorized lens at a right angle, and a mirror.

      50x zoom and no need for a tripod.

      • You can't really do zoom without a huge objective lens. Like a small telescope, it's an oxymoron.
        • Uhhhh that's nonsense. All that matters is the lens to sensor ratio. Small sensors mean you can have a small telephoto lens.

          • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

            Sure, if you like making very detailed pictures of Airy disks.

          • by Narrowband ( 2602733 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @05:20PM (#62584776)
            Angular resolution is diffraction limited by the diameter of the lens. It's one of the two reasons astronomers want larger diameter telescopes. One is the ability to gather more light, but the other is resolving power. Also, at high magnification a small diameter lens would be pretty slow (limited to high f-stop numbers).

            You might be able to do something by having two lenses on opposite corners of the camera case, and then using interferometry to combine them like a phased array, but I'm not enough of an expert to know if you need an optical path between the two to make it work, or just a digital one.
            • by jaa101 ( 627731 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @07:07PM (#62585006)

              You absolutely need an optical path. You can avoid this with radio waves because electronics can record the actual waves and do the interferometry digitally. Visible light has a frequency over 10E14Hz (100 terahertz) so it's not even close to being possible. Observatories that do multi-telescope visible-light interferometry have elaborate arrangements of moving mirrors that need to precisely bring the light captured by different telescopes together.

            • Bruh... people aren't buying smartphones or DSLRs to photograph Jupiter. Within the normal range of telephoto lenses that DSLRs use, it's perfectly fine in a periscope smartphone lens.

      • by lsllll ( 830002 )
        I looked for an article somewhere that would compare 50x optical zoom on a phone vs a zoom lens on a camera and couldn't find one. If you have one, please post it here. But my gut feeling is that no amount of image stabilization in software is going to compensate for the larger sensor size on a DSLR resulting more light and thus higher speed.
    • I don't know squat about cameras but I find it fun to watch a few YouTubers who do and there are just things you can't do with a smartphone lens because, well, physics.

      I mean, good enough is always good enough, but I question if that's the case when you're trying to stand out in a competitive market and you want to best pictures you can get to hock your wares.
      • by Khyber ( 864651 )

        "but I question if that's the case when you're trying to stand out in a competitive market and you want to best pictures you can get to hock your wares."

        When selling stuff online, you're selling a photograph. Better take the absolute best possible picture you can get.

      • TLR cameras were effectively replaced with DSLR. The DSLM will replace the DSLR. My next camera will be mirror less

        The cell phone replaced the point and shoot. The point of such systems is to provide the consumer with a high quality image that conforms to expectations yet requires no technical skill.

        Physics dictates that the lens of a cell phone cannot produce an image that can be useful to the professional. The image is a creation of software, not actively created by the imagination of a human. I use c

    • You can't take great night/astro photos with a smartphone. Maybe okay photos, but not great ones.
    • They seem to be forgetting one big thing - the zoom functionality of smartphones suck.

      True. my Magic Drainpipe is ancient but still amazing. I suspect what Sony is saying is smartphones will replace the very low end dSLRs much as they have many of the P&S. dSLRs will remain around for the serious hobbyist and no doubt incorporate some of the tech that is used in smartphones; just as medium format hasn't been killed by dSLRs either.

    • They make lens attachments for smartphones, which is mainly how all those “shot on iPhone” images are taken.

      I think computational photography, with the ability to mimic different conditions, is what will kill the DSLR, not sensor or lens improvements. Apple didn’t change anything about the new iPhone SE camera from the previous version, yet because of the newer chip, it takes better photos.

      • by jbengt ( 874751 )

        I think computational photography, with the ability to mimic different conditions, is what will kill the DSLR, not sensor or lens improvements. Apple didn’t change anything about the new iPhone SE camera from the previous version, yet because of the newer chip, it takes better photos.

        DSLR is dying because there's no need for a flipping mirror anymore. But phones will never be as good at taking photos as a good camera, no matter how much digital manipulation of the image the phone does.

    • by jabuzz ( 182671 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @05:16PM (#62584752) Homepage

      Don't know the mirrorless cameras will probably kill DSLR. Having a mirror for a viewfinder between the lens and the sensor compromises the optics massively, and with digital viewfinders displaying exactly what you are about to take the need for an optical viewfinder goes away. The rangefinder never died for this reason and the mirrorless digital cameras will finally kill the single lens reflex camera for good.

      • by dgatwood ( 11270 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @07:50PM (#62585072) Homepage Journal

        Don't know the mirrorless cameras will probably kill DSLR. Having a mirror for a viewfinder between the lens and the sensor compromises the optics massively

        I don't know what camera you're using, but every camera I've ever owned, the mirror flips up when it is taking a photograph.... If it didn't, then viewfinder light would bleed in and wreck the photos.

        and with digital viewfinders displaying exactly what you are about to take the need for an optical viewfinder goes away.

        This is arguable. For one thing the resolution of digital viewfinders can't even approach analog resolution. For another, when shooting in low-light conditions (e.g. concerts, plays, dance programs, basically anything involving a stage and dimmed house lights), electronic viewfinders tend to be too bright (though I have not yet tried any of the OLED viewfinders in those conditions).

        So I tend to favor actual DSLRs. That said, Canon has already said that they aren't going to design any new DSLRs, so I guess the market has spoken.

        • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

          Don't know the mirrorless cameras will probably kill DSLR. Having a mirror for a viewfinder between the lens and the sensor compromises the optics massively

          I don't know what camera you're using, but every camera I've ever owned, the mirror flips up when it is taking a photograph.... If it didn't, then viewfinder light would bleed in and wreck the photos.

          After thinking about it more, there is one negative side effect of the mirror. By forcing the rear lens elements to be farther away from the sensor, it makes wide-angle lenses larger, and may *slightly* impact image quality.

    • by antdude ( 79039 )

      Why aren't there zoom improvements in smartphones?

    • by taustin ( 171655 )

      And without interchangeable lenses, so it's an optical zoom, it always will.

    • That can be replaced as well, though probably not by 2024. The fancy new tech called "metalenses" replaces normal optics with quantum steering of photon paths, using tiny "pillars" in a pattern smaller than the wavelength of light to bend light however you want. Not only can, and has, this allowed lenses to shrink enormously but the "space" between the lens and the sensor you'd normally need to let the light focus is also shrunk enormously. Meaning smartphones can conceivably get much bigger sensors than th
    • What if the comment refers to the "R" in DSLR?

      Just put a screen on the back and remove the viewfinder and all the optics and mechanics required for the viewfinder. It's no longer a DSLR.

  • by HuskyDog ( 143220 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @03:53PM (#62584470) Homepage
    The article is all about how phone image quality will get better because of better sensors and better processing. But, why can't exactly the same sensor and processing technology be applied to new DSLRs?

    Surely, a phone is always going to have smaller lenses and sensors than you can have on a DSLR. Therefore, if you have a new phone and new DSLR both of which have these wacky new sensor and processing technologies then the DSLR is still going to have the advantage in areas like long lenses, low light performance and depth of field control.

    This seems to me to be the classic fallacy that my product is going to beat the opposition because mine will improve whilst they just sit and twiddle their thumbs.

    I don't dispute that for very many people modern phones provide all of the photographic capability that they can imagine wanting, but that doesn't mean that there won't be plenty of customers for new - presumably mirror-less - advanced DSLRs.
    • by vadim_t ( 324782 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @03:59PM (#62584494) Homepage

      There can't be a mirror-less DSLR, because "DSLR" stands for "Digital Single-Lens Reflex", and the thing that does the "Reflex" bit is a mirror.

      It makes a lot of sense for DSLRs to die because they're an inferior design in many ways. The mirror increases size and puts constraints on the design of wide angle lenses. A mirrorless is just a better design that doesn't force any compromise on the optics.

      The only reason why DSLRs aren't completely dead yet is that the mirror system happens to allow for better focusing, but that seems to be going away with phase focusing in the sensor.

      • The only reason why DSLRs aren't completely dead yet is that the mirror system happens to allow for better focusing

        And tiny 4K OLED screens are pretty expensive and may still not be bright enough to see in direct sunlight so you get a much better preview of your shot with a mirror.

        Better focusing doesn't matter if you have a complex subject and you need to actually see which thing is most in focus.

        • by codrus ( 35604 )

          They're called 'EVIL' cameras (Electronic Viewfinder, Interchangeable Lens), and they have effectively already made DSLRs into dead/niche products. You're not using the screen on the back though -- the camera still *looks* like a DSLR, it's just that instead of a mirror mechanism you've got a small screen inside the viewfinder that gets the image data electronically from the sensor. This solves the 'direct sunlight' problem because the screen is inside the shaded viewfinder box. and also provides three po

      • by Sique ( 173459 )
        The mirror will not be replaced by phase focusing. The mirror will be replaced by high speed sensors, high speed processing and high speed monitors of high resolution and high color fidelity.

        The mirror is there to allow the photograph to see exactly the picture the lens sees right now. Every secondary view has parallax issues, has focusing issues, has framing issues etc.pp.. Each processing and displaying introduces lag, artifacts and degrading of colors.

        Only if you overcome those limitations, the mirr

      • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

        There are other advantages to DSLRs. If you don't have a mirror you have to decide whether to permanently give up a stop of light for a beamsplitter, or go with an electronic viewfinder. Electronic viewfinders depend on LCDs, which don't have the same dynamic range or resolution as, uh, reality.

        The focusing issue you mention is related. In a DSLR you can steal a bit of light from the viewfinder for a dedicated focusing system. In a mirrorless with electronic viewfinder you can't. You can use software and th

      • by taustin ( 171655 )

        I know have a brand new example of DSLR (Canon T7) and mirrorless (Canon M50). DSLRs are far from dead yet, but they are dying. The practical difference is that Canon makes about 10 times as many different lenses with the EF mount as they do for the EF-M mount. There are adapters available from several companies, and they work very well even with stabilized lenses, but the EF lenses are bigger and heavier for the equivalent focal length. Enough so that the adapters have a tripod mount on them so that the he

        • by jaa101 ( 627731 )

          There seem to be only 8 Canon EF-M lens models, introduced from 2012 to 2018. In comparison, their RF models for full-frame mirrorless cameras, have 28 models introduced from 2018 to 2022. It's RF that's going to overtake EF.

    • Sony just has a tiny market share in the DSLR market But they have nearly half of the smartphone camera sensor market. Certainly they're comparing today's DSLRs with tomorrow's smartphone cameras to paint themselves in the best light.

      If you take that same sensor and make it bigger, and give it more light and then add all the same AI processing you're going to end up with an extremely powerful DSLR or mirrorless camera. Really only the highest in photographers need something at this level at that point.

      I

    • by jythie ( 914043 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @04:13PM (#62584536)
      Looking through the piece, it sounds like it was written by people within Sony who are developing cell phone specific camera systems. So it is a long winded 'ha ha my department will defeate your department with these new advances we have!' report. Which explains why it did not include anything about advances in DSLR ore mirrorless cameras, those are made by another department and THIS department wants more funding/status/marketing/etc.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      That's what I want to know. Why can't I buy a DSLR with phone levels of automation, but a much bigger sensor?

      I think Sony doesn't have the technology. Their phone cameras are like DSLRs, loads of manual adjustments but the auto mode isn't very good.

      • DSLRs tend to have limited fps due to the mirror. That makes taking multiple exposures for every shot to do computations on them more challenging.

        I think with an MILC, there is no technical reason why you couldn't have as good or better automation than a smartphone. It's a matter of someone investing in that to actually do it. It won't be Sony, apparently. I hope someone will do it. The pictures from my S22 Ultra still suck compared to anything I get out of my Pentax K1 II. But that's a big piece of kit tha

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          I was under the impression that most were mirrorless now. Maybe I'm using the wrong terminology.

          • You are. The R in DSLR stands for Reflex, which means there is a mirror.

            DSLRs have lost market share to MILCs, but are still sold and widely used by professionals.

            My third camera is an MILC, a Panasonic GX85. It's great for videos, which something my K1 II DSLR sucks at. But in terms of still picture quality, the GX85 still vastly inferior to the DSLR still, mainly due to the much smaller sensor size. The GX85 lacks computational photography also.

            I use my S22 Ultra for photos most of the time, as that's wh

          • by taustin ( 171655 )

            With Canon, at least, the range of lenses available for mirrorless is still pretty limited. You can use the DSLR lenses with an adapter (at least for EF lenses on an EF-M mount), but they are a lot bulkier and heavier.

            It's only a matter of time, though.

        • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

          If you're taking multiple exposures you flip up the mirror, take all the exposures, then flip it back down again.

          • Not the way my DSLR works with multiple exposures modes, except in the Pixel Shift Resolution, which is too slow to use most of the time. There isn't enough processing power in the camera, or I/O bandwidth. I think there are also issues with heat with large sensors such as full-frame, which may preclude this scenario. But the sensor in my Pentax is not a modern one. Perhaps current full frame sensors have solved this.

            Where the Pentax wins hands down over any camera I have seen is the ergonomics. The OVF, so

            • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

              The limitations of your particular camera are not the limitations of a camera design. I doubt very much any of the factors you mention are the issue, it's probably just software. It may be your camera is old enough that the designers didn't think it could shoot multiple frames fast enough to leave an acceptable period of time when the viewfinder was blacked out.

              • by madbrain ( 11432 )

                Actually, overheating is a well-known problem that affects a lot of cameras, but especially ones with large full-frame sensors. Even the current Sony flagship A1 MILC suffers from this issue. https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4601639 .

                Overheating is actually a more common problem with MILC, as most have smaller body than DSLRs. But it's especially prevalent on Sony cameras, and they make their own sensors.

                The smaller sensors in smartphones don't tend to overheat the same way, at least not the current g

      • by taustin ( 171655 )

        That's what I want to know. Why can't I buy a DSLR with phone levels of automation, but a much bigger sensor?

        Because so far, nobody had decided to test the market with a camera that has all the expense of high end camera hardware plus the expense of a high end phone processor. Cameras have a lot less capable processors.

        So far.

        • by jaa101 ( 627731 )

          Cameras have a lot less capable processors.

          Because pros tend to want to process "in post", i.e., on a computer after the shots are all taken. They generally stick with RAW image files which have the data largely unprocessed, straight off the sensor. It's consumer model cameras that feel the pressure to do more automatically, particularly as they're also the ones most in danger from smart phone competition.

    • I think DSLR's and similar type cameras have been legacy tech since the first CCD with better-than-film quality was made (smaller than 35mm). The lens system size is determined mostly by the sensor size. Once the sensor is sufficiently good, there is no reason to make such big (and heavy, expensive) lenses. As the sensor gets better you just make it smaller and make everything else smaller too.
      • by PPH ( 736903 )

        As the sensor gets better you just make it smaller

        Where are you going to get those tiny photons?

    • The article is all about how phone image quality will get better because of better sensors and better processing. But, why can't exactly the same sensor and processing technology be applied to new DSLRs?

      In fairness, have you used modern cameras? Canon JUST got USB charging. You still can't cloud sync your photos in any convenient manner. They're about 20 years behind the American companies in innovation. I find that about most Japanese products. The are masters at refining technology, but stumble at innovation lately. With my phone, I can take a picture, wait an hour or so, and its up in the cloud with no action on my part and I can view it on my computer or iPad. I still can't do that on my Canon.

    • why can't exactly the same sensor and processing technology be applied to new DSLRs?

      Because of the "good enough" principal. You usually only need "enough": resolution, dynamic range and sensitivity but not really any more.

      And if both can attain the same product, you're going to reach for the one that's cheaper, lighter, has lightroom built in and can back up your photos in real-time to the cloud. Then you get into a downward spiral as less people use DSLRs so there is less investment. Less investment means less R&D which means lower quality which further pushes customers to the ph

    • I don't dispute that for very many people modern phones provide all of the photographic capability that they can imagine wanting, but that doesn't mean that there won't be plenty of customers for new - presumably mirror-less - advanced DSLRs.

      I think the more technically correct term you should be using is in the summary: ILC (interchangeable lens camera). But yes, the benefits from improved smartphone cameras should filter down to mid-range and high-end standalone cameras. Recent models of bridge cameras (e.g. midrange cameras with optical zoom lengths that would require a back pack when featured in a DSLR) already feature wifi and GPS.

    • by taustin ( 171655 )

      The real world difference, so far, is that phones have much more powerful processors. That means they can do a lot of automated processing to improve picture quality. To get the same advantages (and then some) in a camera, you use Photoshop after the fact, or invest in something like the Arsenal [slashdot.org] device to automate a lot of is in real time on the camera.

      In short, yes, you certainly can get the same benefits, but camera manufacturers haven't done so yet because cameras with cell phone level processing power w

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  • Sony Erickson made a camera phone quite a while back, that was actually a reasonably high end digital camera with an actual lens, which had phone functionality bolted on. This was before the smartphone craze, when Feature Phones were as 'nice' as it got, and they did something unique by adding the phone functionality to a good camera instead of adding camera functionality to a basic phone. Do that again, Sony.
    • by hjf ( 703092 )

      They have. It's the new $1600 Xperia that was recently reviewed by MKBHD on youtube

      • My last experience with Xperia was terrible, a complete crap phone that was dead in 18 months. Never again a Sony.

  • And the lens of a dedicated camera will always be better. Nor can you capture more light than the aperture will permit, and dedicated cameras capture more light.

  • Sony... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by jythie ( 914043 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @04:08PM (#62584524)
    This strikes me as a Sony specific problem, not one of DLSRs. All of the improvements smartphones can get could also apply to dedicated cameras, but that requires, well, doing so. Sony is probably mostly concerned with how smartphones are eating into the low end point and shoot market but also wanting to drop R&D for their higher end cameras.
  • by MpVpRb ( 1423381 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @04:20PM (#62584556)

    ... mirrorless, interchangeable lens cameras
    Smartphones have already killed snapshot cameras. No matter how good phone cameras get, there are always the physical limitations of tiny lenses and sensors.
    Serious photographers are a minority, but we demand real cameras

    • by vux984 ( 928602 )

      Serious photographers are a minority, but we demand real cameras

      But how many are you and how much are you willing to pay for them?

      The DSLR market is shrinking, more people are just using smartphones. Vendors (like Sony) will eliminate products and perhaps exit the market entirely, and the few that remain will be for the exceedingly niche market that "demands" them and will pay.

      You want to be buying your camera from a medical imaging equipment suppliers at medical imaging equipment supplier prices with requisite service contracts?

      Other markets have gone a similar route.

      T

  • ... image quality from phones will finally trump that of their single-lens reflex rivals by 2024, ...

    That probably won't come true either. :-) I mean... zoom, sensor size and interchangeable lenses (and probably a bunch of other stuff) are severely lacking on smartphones vs DSLRs.

    • Not to mention the ridiculous depth of field on such a tiny sensor...

      However they are doing some pretty amazing computational photography work at Google and Apple. They can "fake" it to the degree that most people don't need anything but their modern phone.

      • Not to mention the ridiculous depth of field on such a tiny sensor... However they are doing some pretty amazing computational photography work at Google and Apple. They can "fake" it to the degree that most people don't need anything but their modern phone.

        Great, so all smart phone photos will be depth fakes. What could go wrong? :-)

  • They're comparing different tools for different jobs. I suspect that it's just Sony saying that they're going to stop making DSLRs for some reason that's probably got nothing to do with technology or image quality. I'm a lousy amateur photographer but even I can appreciate the difference between a point & shoot smartphone camera & a DSLR & why I'd need a DSLR in a number of situations to reliably get a decent shot.
  • Can todays phones allow manual control over depth of field? Can they control framing through focal length (Not zooming)? Can they allow control over shutter speed? Can they save into RAW files? Can they do shutter, or aperture, or ISO bracketing?
    • I have little love for the image quality of smartphones, but Camera FV-5 absolutely does even on my phone give you arbitrary shutter, RAW output, iso control, intervalometer, exposure bracketing, and more. I assume on newer phones it will have more options. No it's nothing like my thousand dollar DSLR which has page after page of controls, but that's part of why my DSLR cost a thousand dollars.
    • by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

      Yes, although I'm not really sure what you mean by "control framing through focal length (Not zooming)".

      An optical system is an optical system. The limitations in a smartphone are physical dimensions and weight. A smartphone can never achieve the same image quality as a larger camera because higher resolution, greater light gathering, decreased chromatic aberration, pretty much everything that goes into "image quality" is fundamentally limited by the size and number of optical elements you're packing.

  • I don't think smartphones will ever replace dedicated cameras and DLSRs for professionals. maybe for 99.9% of consumers and prosumers, but there's no replacement for large, quality lens, more light and image that comes in, the better photos you'll take - even if the phone has the same sensor as the camera.
    • Speaking of large lenses, I was watching this video [youtube.com] recently about what makes professional TV cameras expensive... and $212K of the $250K total cost was just for the lens. The video goes on to explain why, including some interesting stuff I hadn't thought about before.
  • But you can't gather more photons with small pixels, there will always be a physical limit. I guess if you could detect photons with 100% accuracy, then maybe, I think there are noise and other limits there also. So no, a sub 1" sensor will never be better than a full frame sensor. But, I don't carry around a DSLR as often as I used to, because my phone will do most of what I want and it's way easier to use a crappy sensor than lug a camera around.

  • DSLR and non-SLR digital cameras can have the same image sensor. I doubt any professional photographer will trust the fidelity of a camera's LCD when doing whatever it is a photographer does.
  • I'm certain I'm not the only one who has a hell of a time trying to see frame a subject on a phone display in bright sunlight. I discovered years ago that LCD displays are absolutely horrible when trying frame an image in anything but dim light. It was bad enough when trying to do that with a small point-n-shoot camera. It's even worse when you're working with a phone where the shutter is on the damned display and pushing on it ruins the framing you have set up. (Plus, most of the time, by the time you are

  • by HAL9000 checking in ( 7386068 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @05:27PM (#62584794)
    There is sometimes an advantage to being old... From 1950 through 2020, Photokina (the international photo fair) was held in Cologne, Germany. Every photographic and optical supplier introduced new technology there. In October 1981, Sony showed publicly an image sensor & LCD screen. Crude, pixilated, and limited to a black image on a gold background, the tiny LCD screen was framed like a work of art. Not very impressive. But, behind closed doors, Sony showed the prototype Mavica handheld still camera. Color images, ten frames per second, built in removable storage (3.5" floppy disk), interchangeable lenses, and a digital photo printer - all the elements of a future camera system were present in rudimentary form. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] I was at Photokina 1981, and asked executives of Eastman Kodak, the largest company in the imaging business, what they thought of the Sony presentation. "A grainy black & white image with a few thousand pixels of resolution is useless. Our 35mm Kodachrome color slide film (ISO25) has the equivalent of over one million pixels of resolution in full color. No electronic sensor will ever match it." Moving forward 51 years, Sony is the largest supplier of image sensors for all formats: mobile phones, commercial imaging, TV, DSLR, mirrorless, compacts cameras, and medical imaging. And, Sony owns key patents that are used in everyone else's products. As before, I think it makes sense to listen to Sony and not those who rely on legacy products.
  • My first SLR was a Pentax K1000, which didn't even need a battery to operate. Back then, you couldn't get that kind of image quality from other types of cameras. These days, my $200 Moto G phone camera takes far, far better pictures than that Pentax, especially in low light. I ditched my SLR and DSLR cameras long ago. It's hard to even find them in stores anymore.

  • Bullshit (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Pieroxy ( 222434 ) on Wednesday June 01, 2022 @05:46PM (#62584846) Homepage

    The DLSR camera is already dead to the mirrorless, not to the phones ....

  • Now if smartphones could kill Sony we'd be getting somewhere.

  • TL;DR: Hey! Sony! Nobody asked you!

    I'm not sure why Sony (or anyone else) felt the need to slag on DSLRs yet again, particularly when all such previous predictions have proven to be purest bafflegab, and I'm not seeing anything on the horizon to suggest that's going to change.

    I feel more qualified than most to comment on this, because I just bought a new phone and a new DSLR -- a Google Pixel 6 Pro, and a Pentax K-70, respectively. The K-70 replaced a Pentax K-S2 and, except for a few minor spec upgr

  • by dohzer ( 867770 )

    Nothing but portrait-oriented photos from now on, regardless of the subject matter.

  • There are good reasons why photographers spend +$1,000 on a single lens, even us amateurs. OTOH, maybe people will stop caring about well composed photographs, which are not the same as pictures.

  • There isn't a smartphone camera on the planet that can replace a $10K Canon EOS 1DX with a $15k high-end telephoto lens.

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