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Meta Shareholder Writes Critical Open Letter, Saying the Company Needs To Slash Headcount and Stop Spending So Much on 'Metaverse' (cnbc.com) 95

Altimeter Capital Chair and CEO Brad Gerstner said in an open letter to the company and CEO Mark Zuckerberg on Monday that Meta has too many employees and is moving too slowly to retain the confidence of investors. From a report: The Meta investor recommends a plan to get the company's "mojo back" including reducing headcount expenses by 20% and limiting the company's pricey investments in "metaverse" technology to no more than $5 billion per year. "Meta needs to re-build confidence with investors, employees and the tech community in order to attract, inspire, and retain the best people in the world," Gerstner wrote in the letter. "In short, Meta needs to get fit and focused." The letter is the latest sign that Meta investors are starting to express reservations about the company's recent performance. Meta stock is down over 61% in 2022 so far.

At the end of the second quarter this year, Altimeter Capital held over 2 million shares of Meta. It's also a vote of less confidence about the company's ambitions in the world of virtual and augmented reality. Meta changed its company name from Facebook to better focus on its VR hardware and software, and is spending $10 billion per year on the technology. On Oct. 11, Meta announced a new high-end VR headset, the Quest Pro. However, there are few signs that VR or some of Meta's metaverse apps, like Horizon Worlds, are catching on with the public beyond early adopters. "In addition, people are confused by what the metaverse even means," Gerstner wrote. "If the company were investing $1-2B per year into this project, then that confusion might not even be a problem. An estimated $100B+ investment in an unknown future is super-sized and terrifying, even by Silicon Valley standards."

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Meta Shareholder Writes Critical Open Letter, Saying the Company Needs To Slash Headcount and Stop Spending So Much on 'Metavers

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  • by hsthompson69 ( 1674722 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @11:09AM (#62993699)

    As good as VR is today compared to decades past, it's still not something for everyday use. Until they figure out snowcrash-like VR where some external lasers are played out against your eyes so you don't need a hefty headset display, it's just not going to catch on.

    I always thought the AR stuff with google glass had the most promise - I'm surprised that dead ended.

    • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

      I'm not sure what people are talking about when they say 'catch on.' In 2021 just Meta sold over 10 million units. Maybe it is a marketing problem, people have this ready player one notion in their head and if the world isn't living in the oasis (metaverse) then it isn't "here.'

      The headsets are actually quite comfortable now. Or rather they are with aftermarket upgrades that add active cooling, balance the weight, take all the pressure off your face, etc. Hot Swappable external batteries with magnetic inter

      • I've been getting eye infections just using mine for an hour or so a day. Tried a ven but that hasn't helped. Fan seemed silly, but maybe I need to try one.
        • Do you disinfect your headset and clean the face pad from time to time?

          • I didn't know this was even a thing. Are VR headsets more 'infectious' than eyeglasses?
            • Your face oils will build up on the face pad at least, and through normal breathing, sneezing, etc., you'll contaminate the headset. Just wipe it down from time to time with rubbing alcohol on a microfiber cloth, and wash the face pad with soap and water.

        • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

          I recommend the boba vr setup including their 'fitness' venting setup. Sadly it isn't passthrough charging. If anyone finds a little 100w rated usb-c passthrough dongle that just has a 6" lead off for these kind of accessories that would be epic. Even with the fan off their rig breathes better and is cooler than any other setup I've used (including a couple flavors of other active cooling solutions).

          That said, I haven't had the problem you are describing even without venting/cooling. So maybe you've got som

      • The problem Metastasis is facing is that people buy their cheap VR tools and then use it to access VR Chat and other games and don't give a fuck about their Metaverse.

        • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

          "The problem Metastasis is facing is that people buy their cheap VR tools and then use it to access VR Chat and other games and don't give a fuck about their Metaverse."

          Absolutely. I also think VR+MR are a thing that has been a few years away yet already here in some form for a very long time. We've finally reached the early stages of it really happening and as much as I hate the company I have to admit Meta deserves a big part of the credit for that. Their horizon worlds thing is just lame.

          If I were them I

          • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

            Oh and stick up some open api's and frameworks so everyone can host their own 'worlds' screw this AOL style bullshit.

            • That would sell hardware, but it would murder their services since everyone else can do it better.

              • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

                If they did as I suggested above then the 'home' on the device would give them what they want. They are already the dominant hardware platform. An app store that was the best place to deploy and therefore everyone began using would make them the dominant app market. Excellent integration and open APIs would mean everyone, even their competition would integrate with their platform. Why fight the world when you can recruit it? They'd be the windows AND apple of VR.

                As for the data market they are currently in.

          • Credit or no credit, in the end, Metastasis doesn't give a flying fuck about credit, what they want is to tie the users to their product and that is failing. They are facing the same problem that MS faced with MSN and some other internet wannabe substitute that I even forgot by now did as well when they handed out heavily subsidized internet access that of course was tied to their own network they tried to steer people towards: Nobody gives a fuck about their network. Everyone just bought their stuff becaus

      • Found the guy drowning in $META.
        • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

          Nope and I don't work for or get any benefit from anything of the stuff I mentioned except as a user. I don't want this tech to go away or stop developing at the current pace. Although for what they are spending it feels like it should be developing much faster.

      • One of the fundamental problems for VR is that most people can't (or won't) fully immerse for hours upon hours. Because they have family (or SOs) who require at least a semblance of attention.
      • by PRlME ( 871868 )
        What specific VR game(s) are you playing for 3-6 hour sessions?
    • The biggest problem with VR/AR headsets right now is that they need to be cordless, but also need to be light enough to be comfortable. That places a severe constraint on battery size, and hence on battery life. Does meta really thing workers are going to wear their Quest Pro headsets all day for remote work? Not without taking them off to recharge! The battery life is UNDER TWO HOURS. You can't even play any good games with that battery life.
      • I challenge that VR headsets must have a battery life of more than an hour or two. The situations where you're going to be using your headset for longer (marathon gaming session, Zuckerberg's pipe dream of remote workers being in the Metaverse all day) are also the ones where it's least disruptive to be plugged in because you're probably sitting at a desk. People playing room-scale VR games for hours at a time seem like an edge use case.

    • "external lasers are played out against your eyes" that sounds a bit harmful
      • by jockeys ( 753885 )
        it's not directly onto the eyes, it's onto "glasses" that are essentially two small diffuser screens. so not much different that a pico-projector really.
        • yeah I know but is what written like the lasers are against your eyes in a battle to the death and we all know who would win that one
    • by jwhyche ( 6192 )

      I always thought the AR stuff with google glass had the most promise - I'm surprised that dead ended.

      I'm not. Have you ever seen someone walking around wearing one of those? They looked like a idiot. AR will never take off till it can blend in with your look. The form of glasses or, I believe, they have a new contact lens in the works.

  • I never did own stock in Facebook or Meta, but if I had owned shares of Meta the day they announced the Metaverse, I would have dumped them all.

    Remaining a stockholder as they drained the company down the black hole of VR communities I would not have thought was even an option. Gently worded letters asking them to please stop would seem to have no effect if the ginormous losses already encountered didn't slow them down.

    • by ls671 ( 1122017 )

      Exactly! This is what Brad Gerstner should have done as well, he should have dumped everything a long time ago. So he apparently didn't, he is now at a loss, and he hopes the stock will go backup when he should sell instead while it is still time. Maybe he is in cryto-currencies as well... /s

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Translation: I'm out a lot of money. Real money! Because of that, I'm going to pout and write you a nasty letter. I'll bet you went all-in on Sears when they were at the top of their game as well.

      To bad, so sad, sux's to be you.

      • by jbengt ( 874751 )

        I'll bet you went all-in on Sears when they were at the top of their game as well.

        To be fair, if an investor went all-in on Sears when they were at the top of their game (the 1980s) that investor could have done very well from Sears' 1990s spin-offs like Dean Witter-Discover Card and Allstate, even if they waited to sell "Sears" stock until after Lampert started siphoning off assets and driving them into the ground.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Meta stock is down over 61% in 2022 so far.

      So ... is Facebook losing money? No, Facebook is a very profitable company. And that's the big problem with all of this insanity. Companies are being judged solely on their stock price and nothing else.

      And that makes zero sense because the stock market is entirely independent of the companies whose stocks are listed there. Sure, investors care about a company's stock price (obviously) but maybe its a really stupid idea to invest in something that can go up or down on a whim, with no connection to r

      • So ... is Facebook losing money? No, Facebook is a very profitable company.

        At last report (in June 2022) EPS was down 38% YOY...

        So yeah technically they are still making money but the trend is not good.

        Also of concern, Revenue is only down 0.88% but Net Income is down 35%, that seems like a pretty good indicator that the Metaverse is sucking up a ton of money to no good effect.

        • by Puls4r ( 724907 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @03:14PM (#62994619)

          And THIS mindset, ladies and gentlemen, is the downfall of American business.

          INNOVATION drives progress. PROGRESS drives profit.

          Yeah, Facebook could go into the typical bullshit MBA mindset of cut their personnel and rely on what they already have to make money. Don't invest, don't experiment, don't take chances to improve.

          But that's how you kill a company. It's total stupidity. It's stagnation. It's what mindless investment idiots do when they buy a company. They cut headcount, destroy R&D, rely on the current product and don't give a fuck.

          Then when something better comes along you're already so far behind that you have no choice, and you liquidate the company.

          Yeah, sure, investors don't give a shit. They got their investment money and then they sell their shares. All is good in make believe money land.

          Facebook's original business plan only gets them so far, and they were up against the wall. Now they are in search of the next big thing, because they are already watching people move onto different formats. Kids today don't use facebook. They use 'snap', 'insta', tiktok, and the like. And facebook has to chase those users while they try to define the next generation.

          Otherwise you end up being Ford, and GM, while Tesla eats your lunch.

          Of course, it's super ken doll. What did I expect.

      • Profitability doesn't mean shit in the modern day stock market. It's all about GROWTH baby! Are they GROWING? And most importantly, is the rate of growth increasing at least 10% annually every year? If not it will soon be a dead stock.

    • by hey! ( 33014 )

      The transition from young, would-be disruptor to mature, profit generating company is a tough one, particularly because it's *personally* difficult for the founders. From their perspective, their risk taking, swing-for-the-fences approach has been vindicated, along with their faith in their own instincts. Why mess with an approach that from their perspective is successful?

      Because even the most successful serial entrepreneur has failures; if he drags the investors in his successful venture into his new sche

      • by Puls4r ( 724907 )
        Yes and No. Ford has a commodity (internal combustion) and they are using that profit to switch to electric. Facebook is already being replaced by other styles of messaging. They are using their profit to try to change course. Kids don't use facebook. Facebook transforms now or they disappear. Investors are just FINE with that - they want Facebook to continue along watching their income slowly dwindle while still making a profit, until they can no longer cut enough to make a profit. At which point th
      • "Endlessly betting on the founder's brainwaves is eventually going to end in failure."

          Just relying on someone elses brainwaves no matter the situation is going to end in failure, and hurt for you. This is why it's best to be as self sustaining and not rely on other people as much as possible.

        Also, fuck the collectivism that is being monstered on everyone by people who don't have to endure this themselves.

    • Yeah, I've got to wonder if the Facebook Metaverse isn't some sort of embezzlement scam. I mean, they claim to be losing billions to it, and yet they have nothing more to show for it than a few guys in their garage could pull off for under a million. Where exactly is all the money going? Maybe they *were* losing money subsidizing the Quest, but with the Quest 2 being sold at a profit (last I heard), that money-sink should be cut off. So why are they still losing money hand over fist? Does it cost millio

      • Where exactly is all the money going?

        The Quest2 and investing in VR tech does make some sense to me, supporting new kinds of tech.... for me it's really the doomed "Metaverse" concept alone I feel like is sucking down tons of money for no reward, and possibly even forcing them into bad hardware choices (since the new Quest Pro seems kind of worse than the Quest 2).

      • A good chunk of it went to international ad campaigns, complete with rebranding. Those are not cheap, and can cost in the billions.

        Note that rebranding might have been the entire intention. Before, when people were talking about Facebook, it was entirely negative privacy invasion complaints. Now when the talk about Meta, they talk about the Metaverse (as ugly as it is).

      • They have tons to show for their spending, you're just looking in the wrong place. Just take a look at their published papers [facebook.com] and it should be obvious the bulk of Meta's spending has nothing to do with Quest 2, Quest Pro, Horizon Worlds, any existing or soon to be released product. They are focused on solving the problems necessary to make Mark's long term vision for the Metaverse possible. The majority of the research isn't for products they want to produce 1-2 years from now it's for products they want to

  • Funny Letter (Score:5, Insightful)

    by StormReaver ( 59959 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @11:16AM (#62993725)

    This is the part that made me laugh the hardest:

    Meta needs to re-build confidence with investors, employees and the tech community in order to attract, inspire, and retain the best people in the world.

    His plan to attract and retain people is to fire 20% of the current staff. The "best people in the world" will stay far away from any company with that kind of policy.

    • Re:Funny Letter (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Bob_Who ( 926234 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @11:31AM (#62993791) Journal

      His plan to attract and retain people is to fire 20% of the current staff. The "best people in the world" will stay far away from any company with that kind of policy.

      Its amazing how stupid they are. Greedy but stupid.

      • It's not stupid, because all he wants is for his stock to go up more. Then he can sell it, and anyone who didn't profit (including having lost their job to his headcount reduction) can go fuck themselves. It is of course greedy. Welcome to capitalism, can I take your hat? Shine your shoes?

    • Looks like they haven't been hiring the best all this time...
    • Re:Funny Letter (Score:5, Insightful)

      by shmlco ( 594907 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @12:04PM (#62993903) Homepage

      He's the CEO of a financial company. He has a law degree and an MBA.

      Of course his "solution" is to cut spending and fire people.

      • Re:Funny Letter (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Locke2005 ( 849178 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @12:27PM (#62993987)
        Someone just did a study. In the United States, when an MBA becomes CEO, the most significant change in the company is that real wages FALL 6%. Business schools teach the doctrine of Saint Milton Friedman, that the purpose of any company is the improve shareholder value, and that the best way to do that is by screwing the workers! Meanwhile, CEO compensation has risen to 600 times that of their average worker.
        • by Kokuyo ( 549451 )

          Well saying this as someone who isn't a fan of the current average integrity in our society:

          There doesn't seem to be an avalanche of companies leading their respective industries that do not follow this paradigm.

          So. Is it because nobody was smart and ethical enough to try running a company with workers and consumers first in mind or is the hard, sad truth that the MBAs are right and the current meta for megacorps is, if not perfect, the superior company type in terms of value to society (however you want to

          • Small business founders realize the most important asset of their company is the employees, so they try to take care of their employees. Business schools teach that employees are fungible, i.e. that you should replace the higher paid workers with lower paid workers, because they are interchangable cogs in the machine. Apparently they never mention the phenomenon that some employees are 3 times as productive as others. So what I've seen happen is privately held companies go to hell after they push out the fo
            • by _merlin ( 160982 )

              Business schools teach that employees are fungible

              I've never heard this taught at business school, but I've noticed that people often think that employees outside their own area of expertise are fungible. A derivatives trader will recognise that individuals may or may not make good traders, while believing that software developers are interchangeable. Software developers see sales staff as interchangeable, and so on. People are bad at assessing things outside their own area of competence.

          • Re:Funny Letter (Score:4, Insightful)

            by Immerman ( 2627577 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @02:33PM (#62994529)

            Yeah - I think that's the difference between the company owned by the CEO who is personally invested in the company's long term success, and being owned by investors who only care about short term gains because they're never more than ten minutes away from selling out and switching to a faster-growing company. That becomes especially pernicious when the reward structure (bonuses, etc) of the executives get tied to short-term growth.

            The inevitable outcome of a short-term focus is a company that grows fast and then dies when it overextends itself. Not necessarily a problem, provided they're actually allowed to die, and it's easy for other companies to take their place. But we've got a situation where a whole lot of "long haul" companies grew to gargantuan proportions before being taken over by short-term investors eager to cash out on their hard-earned reputation. Creating a situation where the economic fallout from their collapse is likely to be so great that the government repeatedly steps in to prop them up, while their own short-sighted profit motives (and a lack of protections against all but the most blatant monopoly abuse) has them doing their best to stamp out the young competitors that might otherwise replace them.

            • I worked for a manager in the marketing department at Oracle named Ken Ross who pulled down a $40,000 quarterly bonus by basically lying about the customer orders he had been paid for, doing things like billing customers for work that wasn't actually done for them, etc. Yeah, when you highly incentivize people to lie, they lie. Then he transferred to a different department and left us to clean up the mess he made, so I got blamed for a project where the customer had been billed for a lot of work, but no res
          • It's because the largest companies in the world are public companies. It's not that MBAs, or even CEOs, are intrinsically assholes (at least not all of them). The problem is they've been hired to do a job, just like you or I are hired to do a job. The mandate given to a CEO is to grow shareholder value. That's it. Sure, you can weave in "build a sustainable business", "do good for employees and society", or any other feel-good message, but at the end of the day, the Board of Directors will say "have you gro
        • by Tablizer ( 95088 )

          One of the biggest reasons "improve shareholder value above all" ruins companies is that it milks the current decent reputation of the company for short-term gains because "good will" and "reputation" are usually not on their finance spreadsheets.

          For example, IBM started nickel and diming their customers when they went into Ninja Finance Mode. It worked great in the short-term, revenue started flowing in. But customers hated the billing red-tape and delays it caused, and started switching vendors. IBM's re

    • This is the part that made me laugh the hardest:

      Meta needs to re-build confidence with investors, employees and the tech community in order to attract, inspire, and retain the best people in the world.

      His plan to attract and retain people is to fire 20% of the current staff. The "best people in the world" will stay far away from any company with that kind of policy.

      He's just blurting out strings of buzzwords that sound coherent if you don't examine then too closely: typical for people of his ilk. Maybe Facebook should hire him!

    • As a developer who has been courted by Facebook for over a decade I agree and disagree. I realized some time ago that the battle for developers among the FAANGs was primarily competitive; They were competing to deprive each other of intellectual labor and in turn potential intellectual property. Likewise, the worst case scenario for all the FAANGs is the emergence of another multibillion dollar competitor. So, much of the workforce at these companies are idle and unproductive. That made me extremely wary to
    • "Focus on our core competencies" which I assume he is defining as the social network for boomers. Definitely a growth market, lol.

    • Not sure I agree with that. Smart people want to build stuff, and the strategy of pursuing long-term nebulous goals by hiring lots of people does not readily equate to building stuff.
      I think he's probably right that Facebook could actually speed up its development by not pursuing such a big broad strategy. And setting solid mid-term benchmarks of success is also a good strategy - it means that people can understand their progress and adjust.
      OTOH, *how* they execute "streamline" matters as much or more than

    • Facebook has stack ranking. The best people already left because that creates a toxic environment.

  • Reading his letter I can't tell whether he's a true believer, drinking the kool aide, who thinks that there is a glorious metaverse future that will somehow let facebook escape the fact that it has more or less saturated the entire chunk of the world that can afford at least a garbage tier phone and a sliver of a data plan; and now just has to sit and worry about the fact that it can't make the lightning strike on demand and a steady stream of new entrants who the kids think are cooler(or which are cynicall
  • Facebook is jus just another Myspace or Second Life. A very expensive one at that.
    • The first use of every new shared technology space is to draw dick pictures. Where are the metaverse dicks? (Ancient Romans drew them on the walls while constructing coliseums.)
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Devil's advocate:

    Everybody hates Facebook. More and more often, ideas get floated (or go live!) to use the power of government to create laws which interfere with the targeted-advertising business model (e.g. GDPR in Europe). And targeted advertising is what Facebook does. More and more often, ideas get floated to use the power of government to prevent websites from allowing users to communicate (e.g. "let's repeal S230" in USA). Is it that hard to imagine that Zuck sees the end is nigh? Or at least that it

  • 1984 zero million dollar industry. 1994 zero billion dollar industry. 1996 zero trillion dollar industry. 1999 zero million dollar industry. 2015 - Oculus - two billion dollar industry!
  • Response (Score:5, Interesting)

    by necro81 ( 917438 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @11:43AM (#62993837) Journal
    I believe I can predict the response.

    "F*** off"
    -Mark Zuckerberg, majority (vote-holding) shareholder
    • Investment in a company is an investment in their ideas and processes. You don't like the Metaverse concept? You can take your money and go put it somewhere else. Individual investors need to realise they may own capital but ultimately have limited say in how a company is run. This open letter is petty and stupid. It's not voting in an AGM, it doesn't have any bearing on the operation of the company what so ever.

      • by caseih ( 160668 )

        While I agree with your conclusion, your first sentence is completely false, unless you're buying brand-new issued stock. Otherwise it's nothing more than an instrument of speculation. You're certainly not investing in the company's ideas and processes. You're merely gambling that others will come along eventually and think the stock is worth more than you did, and buy it off you at a profit. This is certainly based on the perception of the overall value of the ideas and processes, but it has nothing to

        • by jbengt ( 874751 )

          You're certainly not investing in the company's ideas and processes. You're merely gambling that others will come along eventually and think the stock is worth more than you did, and buy it off you at a profit. This is certainly based on the perception of the overall value of the ideas and processes, but it has nothing to do with them in actuality.

          Actually, many investors are betting on stability and dividends, not quick growth. Just look at pension funds.

          • by caseih ( 160668 )

            Sure, but when you buy some stocks, except for the first time around, the company doesn't get any of that money. you're just paying off the last guy. Dividends get paid out to whoever holds the stock. So yes, excellent companies making money pay dividends. But you're still not investing in a company's ideas and processes. Except to raise the fortunes of the executives. The company's bottom line and employees are not benefited at all, except for the theoretical fortunes of the employees' stock options.

    • Wouldn't that be his usual response?

  • This guy's company has at least one excess headcount, namely him. Let him try living like the rest of us for a year and then talk about how headcounts at companies are "excessive".

  • The hardware, talent, and vision they bought when they acquired Oculus is still providing great products: the Quest 2, and probably the Quest Pro, due out tomorrow. They've sold tens of millions of those and they're undeniably the best VR hardware out there, with some debate as to whether the Index beats it, though the Quest doesn't require an entire gaming PC.

  • good luck with that (Score:4, Informative)

    by sdinfoserv ( 1793266 ) on Monday October 24, 2022 @12:11PM (#62993931)
    Zuck & family have all the Class C stock that give them 10 votes per share vs the publicly trading class A stock that is 1 vote per share. Zuck structured Facebook so he will always have controlling interest and can override any shareholder or board votes. He's a power mega maniac and a first rate douchebag, but he did cover his arse well. So, in the long run, the company will do what ever Zuck wants it to do.
    • Even if he didn't, individual butthurt investors rarely get to change anything. If they don't like where the company is going, then maybe they should consider pulling out their investment rather than crying about it.

    • If he's so fsking great, why doesn't he get out of FB and re-invent himself? WTH would want to be in charge of FB anyway.
  • "Meta needs to re-build confidence with investors, employees and the tech community in order to attract, inspire, and retain the best people in the world,"

    The best people in the world? For what? Selling advertising? Spying on your every move and then selling that information to advertisers? Buying other companies so they can't compete against you? Selling giant VR goggles that nobody gives half a fuck about? General douchebaggery? How do you need "the best people in the world" for any of that?

    Facebook is so toxic and hated that they had to change their name in a lame attempt to pretend that they are someone else. A company like that is not going to

    • A solid anti-Facebook shitpost, but the sad fact is you're horrendously off base.

      The best people in the world? For what? Selling advertising? Spying on your every move and then selling that information to advertisers?

      Yep. That is a field of data analytics that is actually quite complex and Facebook is one of the best paying employers of data analytics people on the planet, they have a lot of talent in this area.

      Buying other companies so they can't compete against you?

      When you buy other companies you often retain a significant portion of their knowledgeable staff. For example when Facebook bought Oculus they didn't just buy a competitor, they bought engineers, R&D, patents, and funnelled more

      • A company like that is not going to attract "the best people in the world".

        You'd be amazed how few people give a shit about then when money and opportunity is dangled in front of them.

        Can you define "best people?"

  • So far I don't see a wide adoption of the metaverse, and I don't see that happening in the near future. I also don't see FB bringing VR to the masses. I certianly don't think businesses will start to video conference with VR. There are some people that will never be comfortable with VR. I think VR is a bust for meta, I think they are building the spruce goose of virtual worlds, it's too big for what is actually needed. The investors should be concerned, but the biggest problem is zuck himself, he thinks he
    • VR is a niche product. There are as far as I can tell two "large" groups (well, as large as a group can get in a niche market) that adopted VR: Furries and cosplayers. With some considerable overlap between these groups.

      And it makes sense when you ponder for a moment what these groups have in common. In both groups you have a surprising amount of money being blown on leisure (some would say luxury, some would say waste of money) articles and people who try to pretend they are someone (or something) else. A

  • The whole point of Meta is that FB doesn't have any other products besides Facebook. So if (when really) they face real competition they're done. The whole company collapses just like MySpace did.

    Normally FB can counteract that by buying up their competitors. But they've pissed pretty much everyone off. The right wing is angry that banned Trump & the left wing is upset about their well documented right wing bias [politico.com]

    So they're getting actual anti-trust scrutiny right now.

    They've got about 10 year
    • Be it as it may, but after noticing that all your eggs are in one basket, moving them to another single basket is probably not really a smart idea.

      Twice so when that new basket turns out to be lacking a bottom.

      • It wasn't really a problem as long as they could go and buy everybody else's baskets every time somebody started to put eggs in them.

        But right at the moment they can't do that and unless that changes they're going to be toast in about 10 years and they know it.

        I'm no fan of Facebook and it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if they are shareholders shortsightedness doomed to the company. If the social media landscape or to split up into smaller communities that would make it much harder for politic
        • I absolutely agree, but going head-first into a field like VR is considerably stupid. First, this ain't the first time VR is attempted. From SGI to Nintendo, others have tried and failed in the past. VR is about as much a mine field as 3D video. It's a gimmick that has some novelty factor but it wears off fast. Unless you pair it with an absolute must-have app, it's just going to be yet another failed attempt at it. And you cannot force that. It has to happen. It's about as easy to plan as a viral success.

  • The letter of protest asserted that, plainly, "the business of fucking Facebook users in the ass by allowing commercial and political interests to manipulate their brains wholesale via the browser and mobile apps is far more cost effective than doing so via expensive virtual reality systems."

    The investors concluded by saying that they had considered fellating Zuck, but realized that the act would be as ineffective as the letter of protest.

  • I hope Facebook don't listen to this idiot.

    What they should do is double their investment in Meta. No, wait, triple it!

    The only way to get the investor's confidence back is to spend all the money on Meta. ALL OF IT.

  • I find it highly unlikely the metaverse as a virtual world will attract even as much of a following as World of Warcraft did. There is no value provided by a virtual world. It could maybe be useful for conferencing or even trading, but its utility is minimal overall. It's really just a toy.

    Enter Apple Glasses which in gen 1 I expect to be nearly all utility. Simply augmenting our world view with a clock, messenger, health report, etc... that would be enough. I expect world mapping and augmentation. Everythi
  • I was struck by this, "Meta changed its company name from Facebook to better focus on its VR hardware and software". Did they have to change their name to do that? Did changing the name make it happen? No, obviously not. They could allocate funds however they wanted before and after they blew a ton of cash changing all the signs and stationery.

    What's with this absurd notion that calling something by a different name somehow changes what it is or how people see it?

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