Iran Says Face Recognition Will ID Women Breaking Hijab Laws (wired.com) 156
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Wired: Last month, a young woman went to work at Sarzamineh Shadi, or Land of Happiness, an indoor amusement park east of Iran's capital, Tehran. After a photo of her without a hijab circulated on social media, the amusement park was closed, according to multiple accounts in Iranian media. Prosecutors in Tehran have reportedly opened an investigation. Shuttering a business to force compliance with Iran's strict laws for women's dress is a familiar tactic to Shaparak Shajarizadeh. She stopped wearing a hijab in 2017 because she views it as a symbol of government suppression, and recalls restaurant owners, fearful of authorities, pressuring her to cover her head. But Shajarizadeh, who fled to Canada in 2018 after three arrests for flouting hijab law, worries that women like the amusement park worker may now be targeted with face recognition algorithms as well as by conventional police work.
After Iranian lawmakers suggested last year that face recognition should be used to police hijab law, the head of an Iranian government agency that enforces morality law said in a September interview that the technology would be used "to identify inappropriate and unusual movements," including "failure to observe hijab laws." Individuals could be identified by checking faces against a national identity database to levy fines and make arrests, he said. Two weeks later, a 22-year-old Kurdish woman named Jina Mahsa Amini died after being taken into custody by Iran's morality police for not wearing a hijab tightly enough. Her death sparked historic protests against women's dress rules, resulting in an estimated 19,000 arrests and more than 500 deaths. Shajarizadeh and others monitoring the ongoing outcry have noticed that some people involved in the protests are confronted by police days after an alleged incident -- including women cited for not wearing a hijab. "Many people haven't been arrested in the streets," she says. "They were arrested at their homes one or two days later."
Although there are other ways women could have been identified, Shajarizadeh and others fear that the pattern indicates face recognition is already in use -- perhaps the first known instance of a government using face recognition to impose dress law on women based on religious belief. Mahsa Alimardani, who researches freedom of expression in Iran at the University of Oxford, has recently heard reports of women in Iran receiving citations in the mail for hijab law violations despite not having had an interaction with a law enforcement officer. Iran's government has spent years building a digital surveillance apparatus, Alimardani says. The country's national identity database, built in 2015, includes biometric data like face scans and is used for national ID cards and to identify people considered dissidents by authorities.
After Iranian lawmakers suggested last year that face recognition should be used to police hijab law, the head of an Iranian government agency that enforces morality law said in a September interview that the technology would be used "to identify inappropriate and unusual movements," including "failure to observe hijab laws." Individuals could be identified by checking faces against a national identity database to levy fines and make arrests, he said. Two weeks later, a 22-year-old Kurdish woman named Jina Mahsa Amini died after being taken into custody by Iran's morality police for not wearing a hijab tightly enough. Her death sparked historic protests against women's dress rules, resulting in an estimated 19,000 arrests and more than 500 deaths. Shajarizadeh and others monitoring the ongoing outcry have noticed that some people involved in the protests are confronted by police days after an alleged incident -- including women cited for not wearing a hijab. "Many people haven't been arrested in the streets," she says. "They were arrested at their homes one or two days later."
Although there are other ways women could have been identified, Shajarizadeh and others fear that the pattern indicates face recognition is already in use -- perhaps the first known instance of a government using face recognition to impose dress law on women based on religious belief. Mahsa Alimardani, who researches freedom of expression in Iran at the University of Oxford, has recently heard reports of women in Iran receiving citations in the mail for hijab law violations despite not having had an interaction with a law enforcement officer. Iran's government has spent years building a digital surveillance apparatus, Alimardani says. The country's national identity database, built in 2015, includes biometric data like face scans and is used for national ID cards and to identify people considered dissidents by authorities.
Using 21st century technology (Score:5, Insightful)
...to enforce medieval misogyny
Re:Using 21st century technology (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Using 21st century technology (Score:4, Insightful)
"You mean 95% of the uses for facial recognition are nefarious?"
Yes
https://nypost.com/2022/12/21/... [nypost.com]
https://www.theverge.com/2022/... [theverge.com]
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Re: Using 21st century technology (Score:2)
It doesn't need to. It just needs to recognize the face. The backend database knows if it is male or female.
Re: Using 21st century technology (Score:2)
Based on whatever data are entered into it.
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Re: Using 21st century technology (Score:2)
You must be new here.
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Care to tell us about the 5% that aren't?
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Care to tell us about the 5% that aren't?
I can list several, but the most important thing is to note the characteristic they all share: they're local. Face recognition enables a lot of convenient and nice use cases in contexts where the database of faces to be matched against is only kept in a user's device, and the matching is performed locally. Perhaps the most obvious is the single most widespread use of face recognition today: Mobile device face unlock, in Android and iOS. Because it's so easy to use, it strongly encourages people to enable a
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I use Digikam's face recognition to help me keep the 20+ years (well, plus all the old slides and negatives I've scanned going back to the 70's) of photos I have archived on my machine straight.
Super useful.
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But everything has to be a religious proclamation from God with ancient people, so we get this insanity. Same reason they can't eat pork. They didn't know how long to cook it to kill the parasites so they just declared God said no.
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But everything has to be a religious proclamation from God with ancient people, so we get this insanity. Same reason they can't eat pork. They didn't know how long to cook it to kill the parasites so they just declared God said no.
I rather suspect it was actually about cross-contamination. Even a goatherder can figure out readily enough that they get sick if they don't cook meat until it's no longer translucent, but nobody knew about germs and if your hands looked clean and smelled clean, they were clean, right?
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But everything has to be a religious proclamation from God with ancient people, so we get this insanity. Same reason they can't eat pork. They didn't know how long to cook it to kill the parasites so they just declared God said no.
I rather suspect it was actually about cross-contamination. Even a goatherder can figure out readily enough that they get sick if they don't cook meat until it's no longer translucent, but nobody knew about germs and if your hands looked clean and smelled clean, they were clean, right?
Pigs require huge amounts of water. Want to minimize water use in the desert? Don't grow pigs.
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If only they'd been able to overthrow democracy on Jan 6th 2021, your mind would be getting changed in a Chinese-style camp right now.
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Only to identify those pansies and communists and ... insert other word for "people I don't like but can't really put a reason to it" that still wear masks.
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Oh, and various places in the US as well. As well as men's clothing. And so on.
But that would be misrepresenting what's happening. For what does a hijab do?
One, the theory goes that men cannot contain themselves if they see a woman's hair. Should that happen, bam, woman gets preggers. Don't show men your hair, girls! Wear a hijab! It's birth control, is what it is.
Some Orthodox Jewish women similarly shave their heads, wear a wig, then a scarf. Same idea, different execution.
Two, it marks the women as "
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Right, I feel oppressed by having to wear clothing! Let people see what you got!
#letitswing
Way ahead of the curve! (Score:2, Insightful)
Red states will eventually start using facial recognition to identify women breaking abortion laws.
Re:Way ahead of the curve! (Score:4, Insightful)
Pretty sure that making lists of "undesirables" is a step on the fascism howto. https://www.texastribune.org/2... [texastribune.org]
This list also checks a large number of boxes on the GOP platform. https://www.boredpanda.com/sig... [boredpanda.com]
Why was parent modded flamebait? (Score:5, Interesting)
"Red states will eventually start using facial recognition to identify women breaking abortion laws."
No shit. Eventually someone will abuse police power to do it as computer access is casually controlled. Red states tacitly approve murdering minorities under cover of law. They have a few professional forces but many chiefs and sheriffs are elected. They get busted for corruption regularly and that's just the ones stupid enough to get caught or pursued by citizen activists.
https://www.aclu.org/other/fig... [aclu.org]
White males who don't dress like trash have the edge, especially articulate ones who know to speak with what the military once called "command presence". Everyone else (like women cops want to intimidate) is fucked at the officer's discretion except (since the real outlaws aged out), oddly, bikers who are sometimes pulled over just to chat. Been there, used social skills and gray man attire I wear anyway so no problem. OTOH many of my African-American Airmanbros got pulled often for driving while black including on poor computer nerd who had no idea why.
Civvies can stalk too:
https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
https://pimeyes.com/en [pimeyes.com]
https://www.computerworld.com/... [computerworld.com]
Not all cops are corrupt but enough of the rest cover for them to keep Internal Affairs employed. Cops are very good at closing ranks. The thin blue line is for them not you.
https://www.texastribune.org/2... [texastribune.org]
Did I miss anything?
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Did I miss anything?
Probably. Although your list is very well done and representative. No system is perfect. But the way to maintain a functioning society is to acknowledge faults and continuously try to improve.
For reasons that I can't understand, there is a large population of the world allergic to facts that contradict their world view.
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Glad to see Iran moving into the 20th century (Score:5, Insightful)
George Orwell, 1984
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The whole point of Newspeak was to reduce the lexicon, not to add variants such as 'stomp'.
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(hoot (v.) "to call or shout in disapproval or scorn," c. 1600, probably related to or a variant of Middle English houten, huten "to shout, call out" (c. 1200), which is more or less imitative of the sound of the thing. First used of bird cries, especially that of the owl, mid-15c. Meaning "to laugh" is from 1926. Related: Hooted; hooting. A hoot owl (1826) is distinguished from a screech owl.)
Honestly it's getting better (Score:3)
America is important because we tend to be the ones supporting authoritarian governments for short term economic interests. With our right wing fading out that's going away
Stuxnet aside ... (Score:2)
Re:Stuxnet aside ... (Score:4, Insightful)
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The regime is slowly ramping up the executions hoping there is a cut-off point where the people decide it isn't worth it to continue active resistance. If it blows up, it will be very nasty indeed. The R. Guard and Basij are not going to give up their source of money easily.
Re:Stuxnet aside ... (Score:4, Interesting)
That is, in essence, what happened in Iran in 1979. Protesters came in droves and basically said "You have 30 rounds in your gun, so 30 of us will die before you do. But you will, too. Choose!"
And the fourth largest army of the world capitulated.
It's fascinating that the very people who should know this the best apparently forgot how this works.
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but if it saves women
That's a bit far having to wear a Hijab is hardly life threatening. Look I don't think they should have to, but its not like we don't enforce dress codes in western societies either. Don't believe me? Go down to your local shops naked or in your underwear, better still your local school. Recently in New Zealand a member of parliament was evicted for not wearing a tie. Think about that, an elected representative was stopped for doing their job because of a dress code. Not to long ago it was unacceptable for
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The mullahs are in a tough spot (Score:5, Interesting)
So, it’s generally considered acceptable to kill men. In that region, slaughtering men happens everyday before breakfast. But women? The mullahs aren’t quite sure how hard they can crack down on the women before a bunch of enraged husbands and fathers storm the the palaces and rip the holy men limb from limb while the army looks the other way. It’s not about human rights, just that you never, NEVER mess with a man’s property.
Downmod incoming.
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The thing is that the whole shit doesn't fly too well with the young population. They tend to be more concerned with real issue than clinging to religion.
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So, itâ(TM)s generally considered acceptable to kill men. In that region, slaughtering men happens everyday before breakfast.
They figured out the whole world won't stand for the wholesale slaughter of women, but they will put up with the murder of basically any number of Iranian men, so what they're doing now is executing men who participate in the protests. They seem to believe that if they simply kill all the men who are aiding the women, that the unrest will die out with them. And this is quite possibly true, because women in Iran have no political power other than mass protest. They are property.
This is what leaps to mind eve
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Supporting any Abrahamic religion is supporting subjugation of women
How can you say that and in the same comment say "whole world won't stand for the wholesale slaughter of women, but they will put up with the murder of basically any number of Iranian men".
What it is about is subjugation everyone, they don't care who, they just want to keep power. Its like most power structures, including religion the rulers want to keep power, not complicated really.
I don't think it's just that (Score:2)
They'll be dead and burrier in a few years and younger more progressive types will take over. And women will continue to get more rights because every country on earth needs them in the economy.
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The women are rioting and rebelling, and the mullahs would really like to crush them, but the society is also largely built around the idea that they’re property and need to be controlled
And do you know who effectively put the mullahs in power? The CIA. They helped overthrow Mossadegh, and then supported the brutal regime of the Shah, whose regime caused the rise of political Islam, and resulted in the Iranian Revolution that resulted in the Islamic Republic of Iran. Sure it's one brutal regime replacing another, but without the CIA's meddling, Iran would likely have taken a different path.
All true. How does this influence our decisions today?
Doubling down (Score:2)
I see the Iranian government is doubling down even in the face of nation-wide protests about this very topic. Surely this will quell those dissenters!
Iranians, best of luck to you.
How to remove dictators (Score:5, Interesting)
The main mistake that the protesters in Iran are doing is that they are (best information I have) is not to target government run places, protests in the street are just a minor problem for the Iran religious totalitarian government. Unless that start to change, this is going to be over before it starts and the results is going to be more dead men and women, both with sham trials and executions and other way the Iran religious totalitarian government kills people.
There's only one way to get rid of totalitarian once they have gained power and that is to fight them brutally, at great cost to human life (sadly). Since once totalitarians gain power, they never let go of it and increase their oppression with each protests that happens.
Far too simplistic (Score:4, Interesting)
The past 50 years have seen many countries in Europe and Latin America emerge from dictatorships without such brutal fighting. Whilst the details of the process may vary, the underlying cause in those cases was a collapse in the legitimacy of the regime, often, though not always, helped along by the withdrawal of external support.
By contrast the Chinese regime responded brutally to its scary moment - Tiananmen Square - and has not been seriously challenged since, despite over optimistic comments following some resistance to Covid lockdowns.
A possible solution in Iran consists of seeking out the foot soldiers of the regime and their families; publicly releasing the names and addresses of police and Revolutionary guards, as well as those of their parents / next of kin would have 'interesting' consequences. Beyond that? Brutal civil wars have not done well in Africa or Myanmar, and collapsing economies tend to cause massive suffering for the poor; I'm struggling to think of a country where they've ended well.
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I think there is a number of variables that govern whether a dictatorship can be overthrown by a velvet revolution
How strong is the dictatorship's grip on power? Often it's not very strong, it's the nature of governments where leadership is based purely on power that there will always be people challenging that power at first opportunity. Often, as you said, that grip on power depends on external support, like many communist governments in Eastern Europe or Latin American banana republics. In Iran's case, t
Useful thoughts (Score:2)
Thank you. Pinochet was in charge for 18 years, compared to which Iran's 40 and China's 70 plus are rather different.
Protests work better than coups (Score:2)
General protests change people's minds. Especially when the gov't over reacts and cracks down brutally.
Remember Occupy Wall Street? That's how you shut down a protest. Let them do it for a while, have your buddies in the media interview the crazies in the movement and treat them as though they're running it, wait for the public to lose interest and then quietly arrest everyone with a slap on the wrist jus
Kill All The Women (Score:4, Insightful)
So you can all go fuck yourselves.
that is all.
Hopefully it will be used to ID (Score:2)
nothing burger (Score:2)
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How upset one is depends on who is targeted.
The bar to revolt is high. (Score:2)
Only massive violence, insurgent style, can overthrow fundamentalist governments from within. In that Iran is quite like its secular (pseudo-tradcon) NeoSoviet buddy.
Superstition is far more powerful than secular ideologies because superstitions exist to exalt humans over different believers in order to socially enslave them. The only short term treatment is mass insurgency because superstitions thrive on external attack and martyrs are features not bugs.
The only distant hope for Iran is that the state beco
I truly hope (Score:2)
Root of most of the evil bestowed upon people? (Score:2)
Unless you are going to class Communism and Nazism as religions, let alone all the imperialisms of the past, your comments seems to reflect serious ignorance. Want to try again?
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Religion, ideology... same shit, different color, but passes the smell test.
In essence, a religion is an ideology that justifies itself with some higher power. Most secular ideologies aspire to some higher goal. Generally, religions are more stable in the long run because the promise they deliver cannot be checked. That's pretty much where Communism eventually failed because it promised a paradise on earth instead of in some distant fairy land, and people could actually check that it's bollocks.
Religions so
Hmmm... (Score:2)
We all have ideologies (think liberal democracy!), so picking on religion doesn't actually move the conversation forward.
This is an interesting list of the worst wars of history
https://borgenproject.org/top-... [borgenproject.org]
However it excludes longer term conflicts such as the Mongol invasion of Europe and China over the centuries, or indeed all the migrant groups who chewed the Roman Empire to death.
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Are you really going to try and claim that religion hasn't lead to many significant wars, mass slaughter, wholesale oppression and brainwashing for millennia?
You mention Naziism like it had no religious ideology behind it. What was the holocaust based on if it wasn't religion?
Be clear - and use history correctly (Score:2)
In the broad sweep of history, religious wars are the exception, not the norm. You can broaden it to 'ideologies' to add Nazism, though actually Nazism is merely another ethnocentric ideology, just a bit more extreme. Certainly WWI, or the Congo war shown in this list can't be seriously counted as 'religious'.
https://borgenproject.org/top-... [borgenproject.org]
This gives you the list of deadliest overall. It excludes long term invasions such as the Mongols of Europe or the Bantu down Africa, which killed millions over the cen
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I am atheist but I don't hope the world sheds religion, some people need that hope, community and comfort that religion provides. Like most things its moderation that is the key. To me the point when it becomes unacceptable is when you start forcing other people conform to your beliefs.
Maybe one day people will be able to do without religion, but I don't believe it can or should happen with the current way the human mind works.
I've come up with an interesting solution (Score:4, Interesting)
The idea being that if Iran and Afghanistan is going to treat their women poorly, then let's simply allow them to come to the west.
I wonder how those nations will do if all the single women leave, or the wives with kids are suddenly gone with a divorce being filed against the husband?
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They're ahead of you. Single women must not leave the country. Actually, they must not even travel altogether.
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Typical liberal "I have this idea, and you're going to foot the bill to make it happen"
How about you start a Gofundme and bring them in yourself?
Because little happens in a liberals world without using someone elses money to make their goals happen
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You could always move to a place where the government gets no funding. Liberterian utopias like west or central Africa.
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then let's simply allow them to come to the west.
Yeah, because women in Iran have the freedom to make choices about their own life and the only thing preventing them from leaving is finding a western country which would "allow" them ...
Got any other overly simplistic ideas that won't work?
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And it is amazing the help that can come from oversea relatives.
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No for or against the idea but ... Just so you are aware.
What would happen, is women would get to USA and then immediately apply for the rest of the family. Yes even the divorced husband would qualify. https://www.uscis.gov/family/f... [uscis.gov] and https://www.unhcr.org/en-us/us... [unhcr.org]
Again, not stating for or against.
I have a Jewish friend who came over with his Jewish dad from Russia/USSR, and when he became an adult was able to make use of it to get his non Jewish mother over. (parents where never married iirc)
Is it true? (Score:2)
all thr iranian women (Score:2)
Iranians need to take their country back (Score:2)
The more oppressive the Iranian government becomes, the more they invite a long-overdue civil war.
That said, the amount of persecution that most people choose to put up with before they take action melts my brain.
The Iranian 'government' can go fuck itself (Score:2)
Fuck Your Morality Police (Score:2)
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Kill bitches.
Explained.
Re:when 'offensive' is dialed to 11 (Score:5, Insightful)
Your whinging relies so heavily on jargon that I'll concede maybe I'm misreading, but if you're intending to say the risk of liberal control is fucking hijab laws, that's some utterly insane projection. The religious **RIGHT** are counterparts to Iran's demanding everyone comply with their belief system.
Liberal religious freedom = believe whatever you want; don't expect me to comply with the tenets of your faith.
The bullshit of the American Religious Right and Sharia and Iran's government = everyone MUST comply with MY religion's rules.
Hell. No. Whoever's telling you this is lying to you. Maybe stop watching OAN and Fox.
Re:when 'offensive' is dialed to 11 (Score:5, Interesting)
I agree fully. The rightists are as bad as the leftists actually. I'm in California, not Texas though, so it is usually the wrath of the leftists I get in this particular state. (The rightists in places like Texas are just as bad though, don't worry).
For example, I am going to a large festival this weekend. However, because I am a white male, I am restricted from entering certain 'safe spaces' and parts of the festival that are reserved for other ethnic groups to be 'safe' from my 'whiteness' or my 'maleness'.
Its offensive and racist. It is the same as restricting women in Iran from being able to go where they want without wearing a hijab and it is this kind of extremism that stupid thinking like this eventually leads to.
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I am restricted from entering certain 'safe spaces' and parts of the festival that are reserved for other ethnic groups to be 'safe' from my 'whiteness' or my 'maleness'.
And I'll bet the mere suggestion that there should be a safe space for white males would result in being canceled. That's the problem I have with it. If safe spaces are right, they're right for everyone.
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And I'll bet the mere suggestion that there should be a safe space for white males would result in being canceled.
We have one. It's called the entire fucking western world.
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Pray tell us, you fucking moron, what are the rates for death by violence for males vs females ?
You sexist cunt.
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what are the rates for death by violence for males vs females
What do you mean by that? Last time I checked men died at a higher rate by violence from other men and women were subjected to more violence in homosexual relationships than in heterosexual relationships. What about non-fatal violence or psychological and emotional abuse? Ironically relationships with the least violence were male homosexual relationships.
There are a lot of vectors here. Would you please be more specific about which data set you are referring to?
Genuinely curious about what you mean
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Some feminazi moron wrote that "the entire fucking western world" is "a safe space for white males".
I was pointing out that men die violently at a MUCH greater than women in "the entire fucking western world".
So the feminazi moron is a feminazi moron.
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I was pointing out that men die violently at a MUCH greater than women in "the entire fucking western world".
Indeed that is what the data suggests. Thanks for clearing that up.
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what are the rates for death by violence for males vs females
What do you mean by that?
What they mean is that men kill women many, many times more often than women kill men. This is obvious, and anyone who was not being disingenuous AF could figure it out immediately.
Last time I checked men died at a higher rate by violence from other men
Irrelevant to the question of whether men or women commit more violence against the other, brought up as a distraction
and women were subjected to more violence in homosexual relationships than in heterosexual relationships. What about non-fatal violence or psychological and emotional abuse? Ironically relationships with the least violence were male homosexual relationships.
With the least reported violence. Here's your sign.
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what are the rates for death by violence for males vs females
What do you mean by that?
What they mean is that men kill women many, many times more often than women kill men. This is obvious, and anyone who was not being disingenuous AF could figure it out immediately.
Except that's not what they meant [slashdot.org] and I wasn't being disingenuous I was getting specificity into the conversation because it is too emotionally charged. If you look at it rationally women don't have the physical strength to commit physical violence against men, yet the very fact that still do suggests that violence is still something that women are capable of and, in fact, do when they are.
I, personally, have been subjected to physical violence from a woman who committed it against me when I was injured
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Why does it matter that men do the majority of killing? Does it make it any safer space for me if I am killed by a man? Is it somehow my fault just because I am man and am killed by a man? Talk about victim blaming, at least if a woman wears a revealing dress she had some choice. Would you say if women is killed another woman, well it doesn't count. Or the statistic that more blacks are killed by blacks that there life is a safe space?
Ironically relationships with the least violence were male homosexual relationships.
Lesbian relationships are more violent, than heterosexual relationships s
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So you're saying I will be perfectly safe if I go off on a racist and sexist rant (even if I'm just blowing off steam) in the middle of a busy sidewalk, but only talking to a particular person? Or perhaps if I tell off-color jokes to a friend at a technical conference and someone overhears me, nothing will come of it (certainly I won't be fired of anything)?
Btw, the last one actually happened, just not to me personally, all while in what you claim is a 'safe space'. That doesn't seem very safe. Perhaps they
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Can you tell me who I complain to if a woman enters that safe space?
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The idea of "safe spaces" for particular groups of people is insane. Everybody should have safe spaces available to them. And the safety of the space shouldn't be regulated by the allowable conduct not by making it only open to certain races/genders.
Indeed proper "safe spaces," when they exist, make the wor
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The rightists are as bad as the leftists actually.
Leading sentence
I'm in California, not Texas though, so it is usually the wrath of the leftists I get in this particular state.
That's not because of where you are, it's because of how you are. I'm a big scary hairy man and I don't have this problem.
because I am a white male, I am restricted from entering certain 'safe spaces' and parts of the festival that are reserved for other ethnic groups to be 'safe' from my 'whiteness' or my 'maleness'.
Seems fair. They should get to feel safe. You don't get to force people to associate with you. I know that's what right-wingers want, though, because they keep trying to take the good part out of the CDA specifically to force people to associate with them.
Hint: If people wanted to associate with you, they would. Make people want to associate with you again.
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so white people should not be allowed into areas because it makes others feel unsafe.
Temporarily designated areas specifically for groups which have been repeatedly oppressed and abused by white people and their institutions specifically? Yeah. Absolutely.
Ask for a white-only space and see how that goes.
There are tons of them, and they are all disasters.
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Temporarily designated areas specifically for groups which have been repeatedly oppressed and abused by white people and their institutions specifically? Yeah. Absolutely.
So if white people have been abused by a black institution, like a gang, or a black person then its Ok to exclude them from white safe spaces based just on their race, got it.
There are tons of them, and they are all disasters.
Name one that you wouldn't consider racist.
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Details on this festival? I gotta know you aren’t spewing some both sides are bad bullshit.
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I agree fully. The rightists are as bad as the leftists actually. I'm in California, not Texas though, so it is usually the wrath of the leftists I get in this particular state. (The rightists in places like Texas are just as bad though, don't worry).
For example, I am going to a large festival this weekend. However, because I am a white male, I am restricted from entering certain 'safe spaces' and parts of the festival that are reserved for other ethnic groups to be 'safe' from my 'whiteness' or my 'maleness'.
Its offensive and racist. It is the same as restricting women in Iran from being able to go where they want without wearing a hijab and it is this kind of extremism that stupid thinking like this eventually leads to.
Just before you're ready to leave, start your camera video, and have a friend record, also. Try to enter the area. If you get denied, tell them you identify as female (your friends can back you up). Claim you're being discriminated against. Go home and talk to a lawyer, and see how much you can sue them for...
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Yes it is. How would you feel about a white person telling you that black people should not enter a certain building or should not sit with them because they don't feel safe in the presence of a black person?
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Liberal religious freedom = believe whatever you want; don't expect me to comply with the tenets of your faith.
... unless it's the Gender Religion or the Climate Religion or something else that marxists happen to use at the moment.
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So wanting a planet you can live on is a Marxist ideology now?
Didn't think they had that good arguments in their manifests, maybe I should have read it.
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TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome, is it a religion?
Causes leftists to 'go berserk' upon hearing anything related to the former president.
Grasps at wild disproven theories of Russian collusion
Awaits their next vaccine booster with glee so they can show the world how woke they are.
Gets mad at people who don't wear masks despite not one study ever showing any effectiveness.
Religion of authority. Worshippers of the govt. I present, the leftist authoritarian. Mind numbed robot, foot soldier of the George Soros a
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Ah, the right wing nutjob speaks. Last we heard, the right wing nuts were the ones wandering around with guns and wondering aloud when they get to use them. I guess being a WASP can feel very threatening when your main idea of fun is disparaging minorities and women.
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Far as I am aware every time anyone complains it is immediately touted how âoeoptionalâ it is and how only women who want to wear them do.
Then articles like this come out but in the future it will go back to being this âoeoptionalâ thing next time anyone tries to complain.
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Is it really the girls asking for themselves, or is it the voices of their parents and religous leaders that are behind the requests?
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Or is it about the choice to wear what you want, and not be controlled by someone else.