Intel Unveils Core i9-13900KS (anandtech.com) 37
Initially mentioned during their Innovation 2022 opening keynote by Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger, Intel has unveiled its highly anticipated 6 GHz out-of-the-box processor, the Core i9-13900KS. The Core i9-13900KS has 24-cores (8P+16E) within its hybrid architecture design of performance and efficiency cores, with the exact fundamental specifications of the Core i9-13900K, but with an impressive P-core turbo of up to 6 GHz. From a report: Based on Intel's Raptor Lake-S desktop series, Intel claims that the Core i9-13900KS is the first desktop processor to reach 6 GHz out of the box without overclocking. Available from today, the Core i9-13900KS has a slightly higher base TDP of 150 W (versus 125 on the 13900K), 36 MB of Intel's L3 smart cache, and is pre-binned through a unique selection process to ensure the Core i9-13900KS's special edition status for their highest level of frequency of 6 GHz in a desktop chip out of the box, without the need to overclock manually.
The Core i9-13900KS has been a long-awaited entrant to Intel's Raptor Lake-S for desktop series, with previous reports from Intel during their Innovation 2022 keynote that a 6 GHz out-of-the-box processor was on the horizon for this year. As Intel highlights, the Core i9-13900KS represents a significant milestone for desktop PCs, with its 6 GHz out-of-the-box P-Core turbo frequency. This makes it one of the fastest desktop x86 processors, at least from the perspective that users don't need to overclock anything to attain these ridiculous core frequencies. From Intel's sneak peek video on YouTube published on Jan 10th, the Core i9-13900KS looks to have reached 6 GHz on two of the eight performance (P) cores, with a clock speed of up to 5.6 GHz on the remaining six cores, which is very impressive.
One of the adjustments Intel needed to make to power limitations to achieve these frequencies is somewhat hazy. Intel hasn't specified if the Core i9-13900KS is a special binned part, but from previous KS launches, this has been the case, and it's expected that it is still the case. The reports of Core i9-13900K chips being overclocked to 6 GHz at ambient are few and far between, with only the best examples and those with very aggressive and premium ambient cooling solutions capable of this. [...] The Intel Core i9-13900KS is available to buy now at most retailers, with an MSRP of $699. This is $40 cheaper than the previous Core i9-12900KS ($739) that launched last year. Based on current MSRP pricing, the Core i9-13900KS is $110 more than the current Core i9-13900K.
The Core i9-13900KS has been a long-awaited entrant to Intel's Raptor Lake-S for desktop series, with previous reports from Intel during their Innovation 2022 keynote that a 6 GHz out-of-the-box processor was on the horizon for this year. As Intel highlights, the Core i9-13900KS represents a significant milestone for desktop PCs, with its 6 GHz out-of-the-box P-Core turbo frequency. This makes it one of the fastest desktop x86 processors, at least from the perspective that users don't need to overclock anything to attain these ridiculous core frequencies. From Intel's sneak peek video on YouTube published on Jan 10th, the Core i9-13900KS looks to have reached 6 GHz on two of the eight performance (P) cores, with a clock speed of up to 5.6 GHz on the remaining six cores, which is very impressive.
One of the adjustments Intel needed to make to power limitations to achieve these frequencies is somewhat hazy. Intel hasn't specified if the Core i9-13900KS is a special binned part, but from previous KS launches, this has been the case, and it's expected that it is still the case. The reports of Core i9-13900K chips being overclocked to 6 GHz at ambient are few and far between, with only the best examples and those with very aggressive and premium ambient cooling solutions capable of this. [...] The Intel Core i9-13900KS is available to buy now at most retailers, with an MSRP of $699. This is $40 cheaper than the previous Core i9-12900KS ($739) that launched last year. Based on current MSRP pricing, the Core i9-13900KS is $110 more than the current Core i9-13900K.
Watch out for the K series now (Score:2)
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All Intel CPUs with a particular number designation have the same amount of cache. All 13900's have 36 MB L3, all 13700's have 30 MB, 13600's and 13500's have 24 MB, etc. This is pretty much an across the board upgrade from Alder Lake where it was 30/25 MB L3 cache for the i9/i7 processors.
I don't know what you mean by "other odds and ends" but I can't think of anything the K CPUs have beyond be
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The way Intel segments things can be kind of weird. The i5-12600K and the i5-12600 have quite a few substantial differences between them besides the unlocked multiplier, though arguably the "K" is better in just about every way. The i7-3770K I have lacks TXT, VT-d and vPro which can be found on the i7-3770. Considering I just run it at stock speed I should have gotten the 3770, though I haven't missed those features so whatever.
The F series in the 13th gen are kind of weird too. Most people understand th
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My last Intel chip was an i7-8700K. It was rated to use more energy than the non-K version, and the clock speed was a little bit higher, both in single core and multi-core scenarios. Everything else was the same.
It looks like that's still the case with the 13xxx chips for the i7 and i9 series, and the top i5 models. It does look like most i5 and i3 chips seem to be based on the previous generation of chips rather than the latest, so yeah, there is less cache. But those chips don't have K models, so it's not
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My last Intel chip was an i7-8700K. It was rated to use more energy than the non-K version, and the clock speed was a little bit higher, both in single core and multi-core scenarios. Everything else was the same.
the "k" indicates an unlocked multiplier, which makes overclocking easy (e.g., change the multiplier from say, 13 to 14, and now your CPU's max ghz is higher).
non-k models have locked multipliers, so the ghz on the box is the one you're stuck with.
"ks" means unlocked multiplier + binned CPU (which just means it's among the best performers; i.e., hits the highest frequencies, reliably, compared to all the CPUs with the same model number.)
also of note is that 6ghz out of the box is not across all cores.
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Intel is not doing a good job in competing its AMD rivalry these days. :(
Congrats Intel (Score:1)
And that must be no easy to cool! (Score:2)
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Hey, let me tell you about a time when 150 watts ran a couple of light bulbs.
Not feeling the extra value here (Score:2)
A 4% speedup for 220% more money? Not exactly more bang for the buck, especially when you throw in the extra power consumption. This is pretty much a vanity processor for people looking for bragging rights.
Think I'll just keep monitoring the price of the 13900K to see when it goes on sale.
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Unsure of your derivation here. A quick search shows about 10% gain, so... okay. 4%. But 220% more money compared to what?
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Current price of an i9-13900K is $589
The i9-13900KS is $699
A 19% increase.
You can get the same/better performance by just overclocking the i9-13900K
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Don't forget your power supply. The video shows 300W at 6 ghz.
Great for heating your room in the winter.
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I've got a Corsair HX 1000, so I've got the power budget. I just don't see the point in more than double the energy consumption for such a measly gain.
Now if they (Intel) were smart, they'd release a P-core-only i9, with 10 cores (or maybe 12 with a process shrink ...) Which means it won't happen. So wait a year for the next gen of cpus from AMD and Intel.
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Roughly speaking, 4 E-cores is about 1 P-core in terms of die space. So if Intel got rid of the dinky E-cores on the i9 but kept the same sized die it would have 12 P-cores.
If you want something like that, it looks like Intel will still sell you a processor, but you'll have to buy a Xeon.
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Cue more software bloat (Score:2)
As CPUs get faster it seems to me that software just gets bigger and slower to do much the same thing as it did a few years ago.
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And unfortunately, CPUs are getting faster much slower than before:
https://skatterbencher.com/cpu... [skatterbencher.com]
While recently prices ( especially motherboard prices ) seem to be skyrocketing.
Shit code is easy and cheap to produce (Score:2)
Fast systems are enablers but not to blame for garbage software which is a deliberate premeditated choice.
AI once reasonably effective could be a boon here because AI lacks the toxic motivation of lazy coders. Make AI competent then quality code (could) become an easy choice.
There are simply too few competent coders and people without passion for their work naturally turn out shit work. Encouraging everyone to code is like encouraging everyone to get law degrees. It leads to a surplus of low quality workers
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Back in the stone ages you could have 10 people on a PDP-11/70 banging out code all with a single megabyte of ram.
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megabyte? You are off by a decade or so. Should be 4Kbyte.
The PDP-11/70 had a 22-bit wide address, so could address up to 4,194,304 16-bit words. I can't think of any DEC computer that was limited to 4,096 bytes--even the PDP-1 had 4,096 18-bit words.
One of the acceptance tests for EDT version 3 involved supporting three coders typing at once on a PDP-11/05. The PDP-11/05 could address up to 65,536 16-bit words, though I think the acceptabce test machine had less.
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Limiting coders to high quality passionate people also leads to low quality workers. Because of supply and demand, the fewer programmers around, the higher the pay. The higher pay attracts less competent folks to come into the field.
There were tons of people who saw the dot-
But what's the clock speed out of the box? (Score:2)
The summary was not clear on this.
150W TDP (Score:2)
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It's not the first CPU with 150W TDP. Heck it's actually a lower TDP than all the Skylake X i9s, all the Cascade Lake i9s, and matches the top of the line Alder lake i9.
Basically: 150W TDP is neither new, nor something to worry about. If you're buying an i9 you're not going to be using a shitty $30 HSF.
Re: 150W TDP (Score:2)
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Intel has stopped publishing TDP figures, so you're comparing apples and oranges with those older processors. The 13900KS has a 150W "Processor Base Power" and a 253W "Maximum Turbo Power". Considering a lot of people have found it's difficult to keep the 13900K from thermal throttling under sustained load even with high end liquid cooling, I really have to wonder if it's really possible to get much benefit out of the KS's slightly higher clocks.