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Google Fiber Launches 5Gbps Service 54

Google Fiber is launching the 5Gbps internet plan it began testing in October. Engadget reports: The service will initially cover four cities, but Google says the $125-per-month service will expand to other areas later this year. The new plan is available today in Kansas City, West Des Moines and Fiber's Utah cities. It has symmetrical upload and download rates, an upgraded 10 Gig Fiber Jack (the small box housing the fiber cable's entrance into your home), professional installation, a WiFi 6 router and up to two mesh network extenders.

The upgraded speeds are part of Google's rejuvenated focus on Fiber. The company also recently announced its first network expansion in years. But, perhaps more crucially, it reestablishes Fiber as an industry disrupter pushing competitors to upgrade speeds and lower prices (maybe) on existing plans. Comcast already offers 6Gbps service in some areas, but it costs a whopping $300 and doesn't include symmetrical uploads. Google also reiterated that Fiber's 8Gbps option, also announced late last year, is still "coming soon." That service will also include symmetrical uploads and downloads.
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Google Fiber Launches 5Gbps Service

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  • by Reeses ( 5069 )

    It's weird for the first time to not be worried about bandwidth for anything. No data caps. Most downloads are limited by the sending server, not me trying to pull data through a coffee stirrer.

    I am 100% in favor of 10Gbps becoming the "standard" service level in the US. I'd argue fiber should have been pushed harder five, or even ten, years ago. But here we are now, and the future's pretty glorious.

    • by Anonymous Coward
      5gig or higher is nice but it is massive overkill for most people. I have 500mbs and it is perfectly fine for the things I do. The biggest problem I have is not speed, it's the constant price increases because they have no competition.

      I am 100% in favor of 10Gbps becoming the "standard" service level in the US. I'd argue fiber should have been pushed harder five, or even ten, years ago.

      Pushed harder ... by who? The corrupt politicians who are getting bribed millions of dollars by the phone/cable monopolies? Good luck with that.

      If you are able to get gigabit fiber, good for you. But widespread gigabit fiber will not happen in our lifetime. It require

    • by Holi ( 250190 )

      Must be nice. Unfortunately no one is deploying new FTTH, they are all pushing for 5g for home internet.

      • by Reeses ( 5069 )

        Unfortunately no one is deploying new FTTH

        Funny. The guy who installed a fresh new piece of fiber in my home sure wasn't a hallucination.

        They're pushing 5G in some cities, but I there will likely be a fiber provider sometime in the near future, if there isn't one already.

      • by madsh ( 266758 )
        Here in Copenhagen a co-op is providing 1Gbps for less than 20 USD / month. So maybe someone is pushing 5G, but you can ‘pull’ a FTTH if you organise a little.
        • by Holi ( 250190 )

          Not here in the States. The providers have a duopoly in their respective areas. If you already have two internet options no company will make the investment to expand into your area. This has meant that most areas of the country will never see fiber to the home.

    • It would seem that keeping yourself and your business on Google Cloud services and VMs would be easier with a 5Gbps Internet pipe.
    • The problem is that 10Gbps service is not feasible for most people since their consumer grade computers will top out much lower than that.
      • by Shaitan ( 22585 )

        Yeah but who has just one computer anymore? We have a laptop, a gaming tower, two nvidia shields, a smart tv in the bedroom, a couple quest 2 headsets...

        For us it would be a bigger problem if steam didn't lock the entire game library instead of just the game you are playing. Otherwise we'd definitely have multiple cloud gaming streams going in parallel.

        I'm not sure Google is really leading the way here though. We already have 5Gbps on FIOS.

      • PCI-E 2.0 offers enough bandwidth for a 10 Gigabit NIC so no, not on a desktop.
        • Most people don't have 10GbE though, a good NIC is still pretty expensive (and even a mediocre one is still a good hundred bucks.) And the cabling requirements are significant, too. 1GbE is trivial and omnipresent, 10GbE is neither.

          It's probably going to be at least two more generations of PCs before they typically come with 10GbE, most PCs don't even have 2.5GbE yet!

      • by Reeses ( 5069 )

        Sure. But 10gbps service also has the advantage of pushing the network bottleneck all the way to the consumer's equipment. So accessing it becomes their problem, not the ISPs.

        And sure, no one can access 10Gbps today. But give it a few years. We've already seen dramatic increases in speed and capacity demands in the last five or ten years or so. I would expect the next few are going to be the same way.

    • by juancn ( 596002 )
      I envy you, but WiFi cannot reach those speeds (at least not yet), and most wired networks cannot either. At the moment, anything over 1Gbps is hard to justify unless you're in a business setting.

      Still, we should build the infra for that future.

  • Most WiFi on most devices cannot actually use 5Gbps ...

    • by tgeek ( 941867 )

      Most WiFi on most devices cannot actually use 5Gbps ...

      True. But a half dozen or more devices hanging off your router could easily saturate a 10G connection.

      • Most of us would probably have a hard time saturating a 10G connection even with multiple devices.

        Netflix says they only require 15 mbps to stream a 4k movie. Even something like a UHD bluray only has 92 Mbps data rate. So you could stream 100 BluRay discs at the same time on a 10 Gbps connection.

    • by olau ( 314197 )

      It's a chicken and egg situation. Without faster internet, what's the point of faster wifi and cabled ethernet?

      • by rahmrh ( 939610 )

        Access to your own internal in-house data? video files, security camera footage and such for me.

        I am not sure what normal application anyone has that can consume 1gbit, noting that 50Mbps is good quality 4k x264 video. And it is not like the upstream providers have enough of a ratio of servers/uplinks to users for even a tiny percentage of users to use anywhere close to 1gbit.

        I have 200Mbit and that is enough for me to reasonably fast sync motion recordings from several remote security cameras.

        There se

        • I am not sure what normal application anyone has that can consume 1gbit....

          You're thinking like a walled-garden consumer. But even in that limited world, 1gbit can be easily saturated by a well-connected home. My family has multiple PC's, multiple VR headsets, multiple phones, and multiple tablets. They all automatically update, so several of them can be downloading large system updates at the same time. There's an easy gigabit right there.

          Throw on top of that a desire to run an online presence (web server, mail server, file server) through my fiber, and a gigabit can easily seem

      • Doe you even own a 10gig switch? Its an immediate hard stop if youre wired limit is 1gbps. Ive not seen a fanless 10g switch. And colo grade switches are not exactly the sort of sound most people want in their homes. I only buy Bosch dishwashers specifically because the only sound I want in my home is coming from the entertainment. Noise aside youre still dealing with CAT6A cabling of some length.
        • by Pizza ( 87623 )

          There are plenty of fanless 10G switches.

          If you put "10G switch" into Amazon, all but one of the first page of results are fanless. (And the one that has a fan is a 48-port PoE unit)

          • by e3m4n ( 947977 )

            my search returned cisco catalyst switches at $2k, definitely not fanless and they were not 10g either. The next 4 were actually gigabit switches with a 10g uplink except for TP-Link and honestly that brand is serious trash. Are you sure you did not rush the results? Most of these switches are gigabit switches with an uplink port. The number of 1gig ports doesn't even add up to 10gig. The WAN port of your wireless router is still 1gig for a vast majority of them, so your wireless devices have that bottlenec

        • by nickovs ( 115935 )

          It's getting much easier and cheaper to get 10G switches, although you do still need to be far more careful with your wiring than you need to be with GigE. As for fanless, you can get a 8 port fanless 10G switch [ui.com] for $269 from Ubiquity and fanless switches with a couple of 10G and a bunch of 1G are getting pretty reasonable (and likely all that most home users need).

          • by e3m4n ( 947977 )
            thats purely SFP+, you know what that is right? Thats an empty module port. You would still have to buy a transceiver for each port. Multimode OM3 or OM4 at likely $300 per module. The connected equipment would also need a SFP+ port as well. The cheapest route for that ubiquity is https://t.ly/OwhA [t.ly] . Why do people assume this stuff is RJ45 ports on a $300 switch? So your cost for just 3 built out ports is closer to $500, $900 to populate all 8. As far as 10G uplinks and 1G ports, what is your 'router' go
            • by nickovs ( 115935 )

              Yes, I know it's SFP+; I have one at home. The price of SFP+ modules has come way down in recent years. For in-rack patching I use SFP+ to SFP+ patch cables [amazon.com] (that one is $7). These days you can get a pair of multi-mode 10G SFP+ OM3 [amazon.com] transceivers for under $30. These days both short [amazon.com] and long [amazon.com] fibre patch cables are as cheap as decent ethernet cables. If you have tight spaces with tight bends and the radius is too small to get fibre around the corner then you do still need to 10Gbase-T, which these days still

    • Even with wifi-6 youre hard pressed to get 1gbps over wireless compared to wired. Ive got the Amplifi Alien router with 5ghz 8x8 wifi 6 that claims a max speed of 4808. Yet there is a noticeable difference on speedtest running wifi vs wired wthernet. On wired it usually comes back around 950mbps, whereas wireless the best ive seen is in the 800s. Some places in the house around 650. Not that it matters since nothing will transfer that fast. A 4k stream only needs 15mbps and downloading from the PS store or
  • by leonbev ( 111395 ) on Wednesday February 15, 2023 @09:24AM (#63294987) Journal

    It's only going to be available in about 6 major cities. The rest of us will still be patiently waiting for Comcast to "upgrade" us to Gigabit internet, along with some new surprise service charges.

    I think that the cable companies and telcos are going to fall for this bluff twice. They already know that Google isn't serious about expanding broadband service because the profit margins aren't good enough for them.

    • This is very true. It's simply not profitable. Expanding fiber is hugely expensive. It's why we don't typically see two cable companies in a single area. To build out the system costs hundreds of millions or billions. And with that kind of investment, they have to be able to know they will capture the majority of the market. But the reality is that most people aren't unhappy with their current service. It does what they want and the hassle of switching isn't enough to get them to change. Since the potential

    • They were literally evicted from Louisville for destroying streets and roads. The most hillbilly, shitbag, installation quality I have ever seen. Duct tape would be an improvement. Google fiber cannot be taken seriously. Theres a company called MetroNet that has been rolling out GPON in a lot of cities now. Have had them 2.5yr without any complaints.
      • by kalpol ( 714519 )
        The install was indeed terrible, in some places here the fiber is lying in the road. They used MasTec as the contractor who buried it about half an inch deep in my yard. The installation in the microtrench was slightly better. The alternative though was nothing at all as the local provider would not allow pole access. That being said, it has worked great, i don't think I've had a single outage, but we'll see how long that lasts.
  • Cute. My provider has offered 10Gig residential for quite some time (they also offer 100Gig). Google has really fallen behind in this area.

    • ...they also offer 100Gig

      You'll need PCI-E 5.0 for that...

    • Exactly how are you going to get 100gig speeds or for that matter 10gig speeds at your house? CAT6A? Multimode OM4 fiber to your PC? Not one consumer device even has a 10gig ethernet port. Most still only do Wifi-4 and Wifi-5. Have you even thought through the possibility that your being sold speeds you cant even obtain or realize?
      • No one said it's really meant for residential users, simply that it's available in residential homes. One would assume if you're paying for such service you have a setup designed to handle it.

        The WiFi 7 consumer routers we're seeing come to market from folks like TP-Link do have 10 Gbps ethernet WAN ports. They also have a 10 Gbps SFP+/RJ45 Combo WAN/LAN port. A number of WiFi 6E routers on the market also include such ports.

        Your claim that not one consumer device has 10Gig ethernet isn't true. The Mac mini

        • by e3m4n ( 947977 )
          as someone who has literally worked at tier-2 level of ISPs since 1998, I can assure you that there is perceived connectivity and then there is reality. 100gig at the backbone is shared among hundreds of thousands of subscribers. All it takes is something huge like the last season of the Walking Dead or the beginning of a new season of a show like Yellowstone to get the network equivalent of "all circuits are busy". Meaning the demand suddenly exceeds what the network can endure. Contrary to hope, the inte
          • I worked in the NOC for the largest internet pipeline in the central US and also for a Tier-1 provider. Thanks for all that. Not sure who needs it.

        • by e3m4n ( 947977 )
          btw wifi-7 isnt even official till 2024 so anything coming to market is not truely wifi-7, its marketing and SOME features of wifi-7 backported and given names like wifi-6E etc.
          • And yet, as with every other wifi standard, the early devices have been fully compatible when the standard is ratified, as they don't go into production until the hardware basis is set and any small software changes can be adjusted. For instance, Apple shipped a number of machines before 802.11n was finalized and they were all fully compatible once it was, despite the hardware being issued well before then.

      • I fully agree, which is why I look forward to more 5gig and 10gig connections becoming mainstay. Where i live, 10gig has been around for about 2 years. Ftth, but the router they deliver isn't too fast. XGS-PON ONU on SFP+ port if that means anything to you. I figured this out last days, since my provider asks CHF 55 for my symmetrical 1gig connection (AON, active optical network), and I can upgrade to 10gig by paying a monthly fee of CHF 50 (yes, cheaper). The catch: the router that they offer only has one
  • For their 1G service they're happy to just leave you with a port. For 2G+ they want you to use their router & wifi access points with no other options. Sure you can disable most of it, but I have actual quality routing hardware I want to use, not their prosumer gear.

    I don't know why we can't just terminate to a normal 10G port and call it a day.

    • That's good to know. I debated the 2G package but it's useless to me if I cannot use my own opnsense router.

  • I've got 200mbps and it's fine.I can't download ISOs quite as fast, true, but I don't do that too often. Latency is the most important thing, after that I am not really suffering at all even with a couple of streams going.
  • This announcement has the same effect on me (and most Americans) that an announcement of 1Tbps or free internet from Google would have -- absolutely nothing! I live in the middle of Silicon Valley and the availability of fiber to the home is hit or miss, but overwhelmingly miss. For most Americans, Google Fiber doesn't exist. Any announcement about it is as relevant to me as upgrades to luxury yachts.

    • by Reeses ( 5069 )

      Move out of the Valley a little bit and Sonic will have you covered.

      This coverage map is surprisingly accurate: https://broadbandnow.com/Sonic... [broadbandnow.com]

      So it's there. And it's growing. They just hung the fiber in my neighborhood about 9 months ago. 4 months later I got service.

      Put your address on their waitlist.

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